Its hard to have sympathy where there BC is home to CJRJ 1200, which does follow the proper CRTC and can-con rules, but doesn't get the recognition it deserves. The owner of CJRJ must be extremely frustrated by these stateside radio stations which evade the rules.
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CRTC Forces Radio India/Sher-e Punjab To End Operations on KVRI/KRPI at Midnight
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Its hard to have sympathy where there BC is home to CJRJ 1200, which does follow the proper CRTC and can-con rules, but doesn't get the recognition it deserves. The owner of CJRJ must be extremely frustrated by these stateside radio stations which evade the rules.
They are. Same with CKYE 93.1
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Just a quick comment: My feeling is that the CRTC rules themselves are to blame, they create an artificial environment that technology can clearly get around. The only way that the CRTC should be able to enforce such rules is if they make agreement with the FCC that all US based stations should have a radiation pattern that does not come into Canada, and least in it's best contour. Canadian stations should be held to the same standards by the US.
The CRTC rules, regulations, and artificial limitations on licensing is what drives these stations to operate from the US.
The CRTC rules, regulations, and artificial limitations on licensing is what drives these stations to operate from the US.
It surprises me that Radio India has not tried to pick up a stateside FM frequency. Granted, the FM dial is about as full as it can get up in that region, but it doesn't seem totally out of the question.
Agreed. However, with the way THIS company operates, i'd be willing to bet they've already tried!
It would be very difficult, dare I say, impossible, to keep Detroit stations out of Windsor and vice-a-versa!
I have measured sympathy for CJRJ and the other station, but with 300K Indo-Canadians in BC, I'd think there should be enough room for competition for the South Asian BC listener market. And border blaster radio is as almost as old as radio itself. It's a sad fact of border radio life. According to the wiki, CKLW buried a couple Detroit stations when they went Boss Radio in the late 1960's.
And what's to keep the stations in Blaine and Ferndale from going brokered? I.e., Radio India simply just buys time on KVRI or KRPI, much the way the immigrant language programs buy time on Seattle's KKNW, KXPA, et. al.
How would the CRTC block that? I don't know anything about their rules except the few I see referred to on RD.
And what's to keep the stations in Blaine and Ferndale from going brokered? I.e., Radio India simply just buys time on KVRI or KRPI, much the way the immigrant language programs buy time on Seattle's KKNW, KXPA, et. al.
How would the CRTC block that? I don't know anything about their rules except the few I see referred to on RD.
This whole situation unfolding between the CRTC and Radio India continues to surprise me. I still don't quite see how the CRTC has the authority to shut down any of Radio India's facilities. They pay BBC to utilize the transmitter site from the United States, they broadcast with Ferndale as their "COL". It doesn't seem like a whole lot can be done.
Here is an interesting scenario though... I'd like to hear what you guys make of this one.
What if a Canadian broadcasting company like Chorus Radio decided that they were unhappy with the can-con rules, and decided to purchase KAFE or KISM in Bellingham to put their programming on Mount Constitution? Obviously, this would never happen in a million years, but I wonder if it could be done in certain circumstances (with a company that could afford to buy such facilities).
Like Bongwater pointed out, it would definitely not happen for a BC AM broadcaster of second language programming, but for big audience share, maybe the situation would be different.
What if a Canadian broadcasting company like Chorus Radio decided that they were unhappy with the can-con rules, and decided to purchase KAFE or KISM in Bellingham to put their programming on Mount Constitution? Obviously, this would never happen in a million years, but I wonder if it could be done in certain circumstances (with a company that could afford to buy such facilities).
Like Bongwater pointed out, it would definitely not happen for a BC AM broadcaster of second language programming, but for big audience share, maybe the situation would be different.
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NEVER. Gonna. Happen. Not THIS way. This would make the current net neutrality uproar at the FCC look like a tea party for senior citizens and the ramifications would be too vast for all parties to even comprehend.
Bear in mind also in Australia, they have Aus-Con. In New Zealand, NZ-Con. In Britain, UK-Con and similar rules for natively made artistic content in other countries on it's own broadcasting services. We don't have these rules in America because we never needed them. America's biggest export has always been it's entertainment. This is why you can find hip-hop in places as far flung as Mongolia and Iceland.
Can-Con merely assures Canadian artists the right to be heard in their own country. How the CRTC handles that might have problems (it did spawn Nickelback, Justin Bieber and whatever that "Hello Kitty" trip was Avril Lavigne put out this summer.) But as a general policy it's not bad at all and it helps keep things interesting in entertainment.
I can see the benefit of Can-Con. I once interviewed a rock musician who maintained the if there were no Can-Con, the Canadian music industry as we know it today wouldn't exist. Before Can-Con there were no Canadian music publishing houses to speak of, and almost no Canadian record labels. Can-Con was the driving force behind the creation of the Canadian music industry as we know it today.
But that said, when I read of what the CRTC requires of ethnic radio stations, I think those rules straitjacket such stations. Why should a Punjabi station in Canada be required to run programming in other languages? Why should they not be allowed to be Punjabi or Hindi 24/7 if they wish? They are still providing a service to 300K people in BC alone.
And if for some reason they can't find enough domestic (7% Can-Con ethnic music) content for their programming, why can't they get a waiver?
Compared to the FCC, the CRTC seems to micromanage. It's almost as if they're asking for border blasters to compete with domestic Canadian broadcasters.
I'm not trying to sound like I think I know what's better for Canada and Canadian radio, but I can see why these border blasters exist. If you look over the schedule and website for Radio India, you can see they really are trying to serve their community extensively.
On the other side of the coin, I wonder if perhaps the border blasters had voluntarily applied more of the CRTC content rules to their own operations, maybe they would have been left alone.
But that said, when I read of what the CRTC requires of ethnic radio stations, I think those rules straitjacket such stations. Why should a Punjabi station in Canada be required to run programming in other languages? Why should they not be allowed to be Punjabi or Hindi 24/7 if they wish? They are still providing a service to 300K people in BC alone.
And if for some reason they can't find enough domestic (7% Can-Con ethnic music) content for their programming, why can't they get a waiver?
Compared to the FCC, the CRTC seems to micromanage. It's almost as if they're asking for border blasters to compete with domestic Canadian broadcasters.
I'm not trying to sound like I think I know what's better for Canada and Canadian radio, but I can see why these border blasters exist. If you look over the schedule and website for Radio India, you can see they really are trying to serve their community extensively.
On the other side of the coin, I wonder if perhaps the border blasters had voluntarily applied more of the CRTC content rules to their own operations, maybe they would have been left alone.
CRTC simply gets the taxing authorities to not accept as a business expense the cost of any Canadian firm advertising on the US facilities.
Great idea! Except that it already exists.
Advertising expenses: You can deduct expenses for advertising, including ads in Canadian newspapers and on Canadian television and radio stations. You can also include any amount you paid as a finder’s fee.
However, certain restrictions apply to the amount of the expense you can deduct. If your advertising is directed to a Canadian market and the original editorial content in the issue is:
80% or more of the total non-advertising content in the issue, deduct 100% of the expense or
less than 80% of the total non-advertising content in the issue, deduct 50% of the expense
You cannot deduct expenses for advertising directed mainly to a Canadian market when you advertise with a foreign broadcaster.
Advertising expenses: You can deduct expenses for advertising, including ads in Canadian newspapers and on Canadian television and radio stations. You can also include any amount you paid as a finder’s fee.
However, certain restrictions apply to the amount of the expense you can deduct. If your advertising is directed to a Canadian market and the original editorial content in the issue is:
80% or more of the total non-advertising content in the issue, deduct 100% of the expense or
less than 80% of the total non-advertising content in the issue, deduct 50% of the expense
You cannot deduct expenses for advertising directed mainly to a Canadian market when you advertise with a foreign broadcaster.
So the regulations that date back to when KCMB (TV)-Pembina, ND, attempted to serve Winnipeg in the 60's are still, in some form, in effect?
I have no idea whether this situation still exists, but didn't KVOS-TV once make its living, selling advertising in Canada?
Perhaps what's not OK for the Canadians is OK for stateside broadcasters?
Perhaps what's not OK for the Canadians is OK for stateside broadcasters?
Rules changed long after the KVOS business model was working....a MAJOR reason for the station's decline. Check that...it's doing very well, but as a rack-mounted Seattle TV station with a Bellingham strip mall public file office; but hardly the TV operation it once was.
The IRS allows expensing advertising costs on Mexican licensed TV stations and radio properties all along the US-Mexican border.
I have two VHS tapes chock full of Star Trek: The Next Generation taped off in 1990. Half came from KVOS, half from KCPQ reruns. The KVOS examples have hardly any, if not none ads for Bellingham/Mount Vernon businesses. All Vancouver - even local ads for Ford dealerships. But their ID showed Bellingham. I'm really surprised that there was hardly any Bellingham commercials on KVOS-TV. Come on, it should have served the local community as well in Whatcom County, not just up in Canada!
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