David G. Hall at "State of the Industry" talk

[zumahans]

I swear I bit my tongue so hard it is a bloody stump.

DGH appeared tonight at a "State of the Industry" forum sponsored by the Los Angeles Radio Television News Association at the USC Annenberg School of J.

Hall said that the biggest challenge facing all news radio stations is not IPods, blogs, Youtube or TV News.

Nope.

"The growth and strength of National Public Radio is the biggest challenge that we face. If you go to San Francisco, which is home to one of the nation's best and successful news-talk stations, ABC's KGO, do you know what the number one radio station is? Not the number one news station, I mean the number one rated radio station in the entire market?

"It's KQED.

"Same story in San Diego, the number one radio station is KPBS. In Portland it's KOPB.

"So the challenge for us in traditional all news radio stations, where the ratings are dropping in New York, Chicago, and elsewhere, is to adapt a little bit more."

Little bloody stump, I tell you.

 

[zumahans]

I thought David "Missing In Action" Eduardo wrote here, most strenuously, that NPR and AM allnewsers did not share audience and did not compete?

Seems DGH disagrees.

 

[mostb1]

Maybe David G Hall should realize the real reason his news stations are dropping is because he's such a poor programmer. He's driven both KNX and KFWB into the ground. To the point Los Angeles can't support two all news stations anymore. But his attempt to revitalize KNX with more talk programming is and will be a complete failure. This guy has no clue what he is doing and for that fact CBS doesn't either. He should have been fired years ago.

KFI has become such a powerhouse since he left. That about says it all.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Gotta agree. DGH has been the biggest bust in LA Radio of the last several years. Why he is still entrusted with those assets is almost unfathomable. Glenn is right, although he did a great job with KFI, it has grown even more since he left, which is just as big of an accompishment as what he did there. It is definitely one of the most influential talk stations in the country.

KNX and KFWB are both shadows of what they used to be, and amazingly, DGH has done little to in fact differentiate the two, which was the obvious thing to do when he took over. Click on either of them during drive time and they sound exactly the same.

The fact that he is paying attention to NPR at all gives a great clue as to why he is failing. The NPR crowd is not the general public and they are extremely loyal becuase it can be counted upon to tell the lefty lemmings exactly what they want to hear without any dissenting voices. That crowd will not tune in to a real hard hitting, balanced news programing (not to say thats what the newsers are, because they are not, but compared to blatantly biased NPR, they can appear to be such)

 

[zumahans]

----->The NPR crowd is not the general public and they are extremely loyal becuase it can be counted upon to tell the lefty lemmings exactly what they want to hear without any dissenting voices. That crowd will not tune in to a real hard hitting, balanced news programing (not to say thats what the newsers are, because they are not, but compared to blatantly biased NPR, they can appear to be such)
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Bwaha hah hah hah.

"hard hitting, balanced news programming"?

You mean like Fox News Channel? Fair and balanced?

Tune into a "hard hitting" AM newser, like KCBS, WTOP, WBBM or the others, and you will not hear the type of political KoolAid that you want.

But your assessment of DGH is accurate.

 

[mostb1]

----->The NPR crowd is not the general public and they are extremely loyal becuase it can be counted upon to tell the lefty lemmings exactly what they want to hear without any dissenting voices. That crowd will not tune in to a real hard hitting, balanced news programing (not to say thats what the newsers are, because they are not, but compared to blatantly biased NPR, they can appear to be such)

Bwaha hah hah hah.

"hard hitting, balanced news programming"?

You mean like Fox News Channel? Fair and balanced?

Tune into a "hard hitting" AM newser, like KCBS, WTOP, WBBM or the others, and you will not hear the type of political KoolAid that you want.

But your assessment of DGH is accurate.
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Fox News Channel is a winner. That's all that counts. It's all about perception. I love it. I am an avid viewer/listerner (I have XM). Still the best show on cable news for the truth is Lou Dobbs on CNN.

 

[zumahans]

For the record, Fox News Channel is a loser, and dropping like a rock.

It's total 24-hour total viewership is less than a third of Katie Couric's little bitty half hour on CBS.

Have another Kool Aid.

But that is another thread.

The fact is, successful AM allnewsers (or even newstalk sations, like KGO) are a far cry from Fox News "standards," and anyone who thinks KNXFWB would do better against KCRWPCC by aping Sean Hannity has a rude appointment with reality.

[And fix that damn quote box, it makes it look like my pearls of wisdom dropped out of your mouth.]

 

[mostb1]

For the record, Fox News Channel is a loser, and dropping like a rock.

It's total 24-hour total viewership is less than a third of Katie Couric's little bitty half hour on CBS.

Have another Kool Aid.

But that is another thread.

The fact is, successful AM allnewsers (or even newstalk sations, like KGO) are a far cry from Fox News "standards," and anyone who thinks KNXFWB would do better against KCRWPCC by aping Sean Hannity has a rude appointment with reality.

[And fix that damn quote box, it makes it look like my pearls of wisdom dropped out of your mouth.]

Now your making yourself look like an idiot. But you might want to make a Jim Jones drink for yourself if you want to continue this.

Fox News Channel is a winner. It's overhead is much less than CBS and it's profit margins continue to rise. At CBS, their news division profit margins continue to sink. CBS doesn't have a 24 hour news operation to spread costs out on and is the news organization that is sinking fast.

As for Los Angeles, watch for big changes at KABC once Citadel takes over. They're cheap and I expect them to replace most of the high paid talent (?) there. I expect Sean Hannity - once his contract is up in about a year - to jump ship to Premiere Radio Networks and end up on KFI. That is regardless of the denials made the last few days. When they deny, something is going to happen.

A station like KGO would not work in Los Angeles. We are not San Francisco and full of lefty loonies.

KFWB and KNX do not compete with NPR stations regardless of what David G. Hall says. They don't even compete with KTLK. Just look at the ratings.

 

[zumahans]

----->Fox News Channel is a winner.

No, it's a loser when compared to other TV news operations.

The TODAY Show, in Los Angeles alone, from 7-8 am has more viewers than Fox News Channel gets in 24 hours, nationwide. That's a mathematical fact.

----->It's overhead is much less than CBS and it's profit margins continue to rise. At CBS, their news division profit margins continue to sink. CBS doesn't have a 24 hour news operation to spread costs out on and is the news organization that is sinking fast.

Sorry, CBS News is the fastest-growing news operation in the past two years. It has gained more viewers in the last year than Fox even has in any 24-hour period.

----->A station like KGO would not work in Los Angeles. We are not San Francisco and full of lefty loonies.

No, LA is full of David Eduardo Station fans, and KGO is in the wrong language. The remainder of the English-speaking newstalk audience has either found untra-right-wing talk radio, or long ago migrated to FM and NPR. Or, given up on radio altogether.

----->KFWB and KNX do not compete with NPR stations regardless of what David G. Hall says.

Not for people like you, that is not the point. The compete for ads (AKA "corporate sponsorships") and they compete for listeners who do not subscribe to Fox News style programming. David G. is exactly right on that point (aargh it hurts me to say that).

----->They don't even compete with KTLK. Just look at the ratings.

Uh, just because KNXFWB beats KTLK handily does not mean they don't compete. They just compete and win.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Sorry, CBS News is the fastest-growing news operation in the past two years. It has gained more viewers in the last year than Fox even has in any 24-hour period.

Uh, just because KNXFWB beats KTLK handily does not mean they don't compete. They just compete and win.

So you're saying the druming up fake documents from known low-level political hacks to embarass a sitting president during an election has been good for business?

And I can assure you no one is competing with KTLK. Competition implies that Air America is even in the game.

 

[zumahans]

---->So you're saying the druming up fake documents from known low-level political hacks to embarass a sitting president during an election has been good for business?

That and the rest of the broadcast. Look at the numbers. CBS News has a half hour a night that wallops Fox News over 24 hours, every day.

And in case Faux News has missed the story: your sitting president doesn't need anyone's help to embarrass hisself.

 

[livingfruitvirus]

"Phil, don't you hit that tard!"

 

[ChannelFlipper]

---->So you're saying the druming up fake documents from known low-level political hacks to embarass a sitting president during an election has been good for business?

That and the rest of the broadcast. Look at the numbers. CBS News has a half hour a night that wallops Fox News over 24 hours, every day.

And in case Faux News has missed the story: your sitting president doesn't need anyone's help to embarrass hisself.

Good gosh do you guys ever quit focussing on your enemy president?

We are talking about the quality of the CBS fake news gathering and presentation and you compare it to the president as if that is even relevant - without even denying the crappiness of the news product!

Congratulations! By comparing Bush to CBS news, you've done something that is very hard to do - make him look good by comparison!

Wow. Get a grip.

 

[zumahans]

Address the facts, Jack.

CBS News: 8 million viewers a night.

Fox News Channel: 1.2 million viewers in any given 24-hour period.

KNX: dumbest all-news radio station in the world.

 

[OldGringo]

Re: Erroneous data agan .

For the record, Fox News Channel is a loser, and dropping like a rock.

It's total 24-hour total viewership is less than a third of Katie Couric's little bitty half hour on CBS.

Fox News Average persons is 1.2 million, not cume. The weekly cume is between 55 and 60 million. 60,000,000.

 

[RL]

And that's our show. Say good night Gracie. "Good night Gracie"...

 

[zumahans]

So the Fox weekly cume, for a 24/7 cable broadcast, is 60 million.

The CBS Evening News weekly cume, for 2-1/2 hours per week, is 40 million. For just one half hour show, 5 nights a week.

Fox is a pipsqueak, with fans who need to constantly bellyache about their importance.

 

[OldGringo]

Re: Wrong again, Sam.

So the Fox weekly cume, for a 24/7 cable broadcast, is 60 million.

The CBS Evening News weekly cume, for 2-1/2 hours per week, is 40 million. For just one half hour show, 5 nights a week.

Fox is a pipsqueak, with fans who need to constantly bellyache about their importance.

CBS Evening news cume is less than 2.5 x the nightly viewership... not 40 million.

 

[mostb1]

So much for growth at the one 30 minute program, the CBS Evening News. On Tuesday night it barely attracted 6 million viewers now that Katie Couric looks like she has become a liabilty to the failing CBS News operation. Not unexpected.

COURIC SLIPPING AWAY: ABC 'WORLD NEWS' 2X AUDIENCE OF COURIC 'CBS EVENING NEWS' ON WEDNESDAY IN NYC AND LOS ANGELES... IN CHICAGO, ABC PULLED 4X COURIC AUDIENCE; ABC OVER CBS 3X IN PHILLY....

CABLE NEWS RACE
TUES. SEPT 19, 2006
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 1,932,000
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1,405,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,396,000
FNC BRIT HUME 1,381,000
FNC GRETA 1,284,000
CNN WOLF BLITZER 912,000
CNN LOU DOBBS 848,000
CNN COOPER 790,000
CNN ZAHN 783,000
CNNHN GRACE 770,000
CNN KING 706,000
MSNBC SCARBOROUGH 444,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 444,000
CNNHN BECK 425,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 413,000

 

[zumahans]

----->COURIC SLIPPING AWAY: ABC 'WORLD NEWS' 2X AUDIENCE OF COURIC 'CBS EVENING NEWS' ON WEDNESDAY IN NYC AND LOS ANGELES... IN CHICAGO, ABC PULLED 4X COURIC AUDIENCE; ABC OVER CBS 3X IN PHILLY....

Thank you for confirming my point. The weakest of the three network newscasts has a larger audience than O'Reilly, Shep, Brit, Cannity/Holmes, and Van Suffer combined.

Add in ABC and NBC, and just the evening network newscasts have about five times the viewership of Faux news primetime.

NPR has an audience about 10 times the size of Faux news on a daily weekday.

1.9 million homes for Loofah Boy? More people watch the 6pm news on KMEX channel 34 (!).

Faux News is a ratings pipsqueak despite the best hopes of people who cannot find the caps lock key.