Drudge: GLENN BECK SCORES NEW RADIO DEAL VALUED BETWEEN $25-50 MILLION

[caller10]

Drudge headline, your thoughts?

FLASH: TALKRADIO/CNNHEADLINE HOST GLENN BECK SCORES NEW RADIO DEAL VALUED BETWEEN $25-50 MILLION [BASED ON REVENUE SHARING], SOURCES TELL DRUDGE... DETAILS ANNOUNCED ON MONDAY...

 

[ABQTom]

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Absolutely. It doesn't even belong here. However, I will say this, Mr. Beck appeals to a very narrow demographic fringe of the talk radio audience, so frankly, I don't really care how much money he makes, because I work among people in this biz who appeal to the majority of Americans ... Most Americans want the war to end, want lower gas prices, want health care, and want clean air and safe food. People like Mr. Beck and others who follow the Ayn Rand philosophy will become dinosaurs in this industry when we run out of oil and water due to Peak Oil and Global Warming. We need to work together to find alternative energy and practice xeriscaping (low water landscaping). These are not partisan issues, but Beck, Savage, Levin, and O'Reilly try to convince Americans that they are.

 

[ajhenderson]

Tom, really... enough. We don't care about the war ending here, one way or the other. Xeriscaping? WHO CARES? If you want to do a show on xeriscaping, pay one of the networks like Business Talk Radio your $300 or 400 an hour and see if you can work it up to a $10 million annual salary. Beck has succeeded in part by appealing to younger audiences. He is on fewer stations than Rush, Hannity, or Savage, yet gets a deal like this. His HLN show is often #1 in its hour among 25-54s. You talk about the narrow fringe Beck and others speak to but fail to realize this is radio. We've gone over this before. His est. 5 million listeners represent 1.5% of the national population, and some of those listen for only an hour a week... hardly a cult following.

BTW, I realized long ago that what I want, or what a talk host talks about, isn't going to change anything. So maybe you ought to load up on energy stocks (they lost about 3% this week... good time to buy) and get the last laugh, all the way to the bank.

 

[ABQTom]

Tom, really... enough. We don't care about the war ending here, one way or the other. Xeriscaping? WHO CARES? If you want to do a show on xeriscaping, pay one of the networks like Business Talk Radio your $300 or 400 an hour and see if you can work it up to a $10 million annual salary. Beck has succeeded in part by appealing to younger audiences. He is on fewer stations than Rush, Hannity, or Savage, yet gets a deal like this. His HLN show is often #1 in its hour among 25-54s. You talk about the narrow fringe Beck and others speak to but fail to realize this is radio. We've gone over this before. His est. 5 million listeners represent 1.5% of the national population, and some of those listen for only an hour a week... hardly a cult following.

BTW, I realized long ago that what I want, or what a talk host talks about, isn't going to change anything. So maybe you ought to load up on energy stocks (they lost about 3% this week... good time to buy) and get the last laugh, all the way to the bank.

Responding to your points:



1.KXNT/Vegas covered Xeriscaping this weekend with local hosts, in the hours right before their weekend talk leader - Mr. Bob Brinker.

2.Mr. Ed Schultz covers fuel additives and gas mileage several times per week, and has periodically beaten Hannity in selected markets.

3.Mr. Thom Hartmann discusses global warming and other earth changes repeatedly, and has periodically beaten Rush in certain markets.

4.Your comments about my post are clearly from a conservative viewpoint, which you are entitled to. However, my comments are non-partisan in nature. When polled, both liberals and conservatives want the war to end, want national heatlh care, are pro-choice, are pro-gay rights, and want lower gasoline prices. Bush's approval is in the 20's or 30's and Cheney's is in the 10's. Americans are increasingly finding TALK HOSTS who REPRESENT their concerns.

5.Entertainment Value: Yes, you're correct, Mr. Beck is entertaining, witty, and appeals to a younger audience. But this isn't the early 1990's anymore when Clinton was in power and Rush was everywhere. Americans are dealing with economic issues that they've never been faced with before, and that's why Big Ed, Stephanie Miller, and other progressives are making it.

 

[ajhenderson]

Tom: I don't know why we entertain you so much. Are you really RadioGuy2006? Perhaps next we'll hear that fenix radio stations are for sale, might be bougt by Entercom to put on chill on AM and Vietnamese polka on two fms. Bonneville will sell fast.

But, I digress.

1. And WBFE in Punxsutawney had a rousing discussion on the best way to get rid of termites. KXNT is a tiny speck in the world of talk radio. Not too many people listen during the week let alone on the weekend. Bob Brinker is only the "weekend leader" in your head.

2. Periodically being the key word. You seem to really dig into the content of these liberal shows as if it were life or death. So the guy has a topic. Lots of hosts have lots of topics. It's not proof of anything more than its a topic.

3. After Thom Hartmann puts his listeners to sleep, I guess they don't care what he talks about. Maybe he got a two share on WTKG in Grand Rapids vs. Rush's 10 show on WOOD. Congratulations. KVI in Seattle is coming back into its own and KPTK has deteriorated slightly.

4. No, Tom, my comments are from a radio standpoint responding to your endlessly looney posts about some host with a cult following who talked about how to water begonias. You claim to be non-partisan, but the rest of us are non-political. This isn't a forum for discussing lower gas prices. Of course Americans want lower gas prices! If gas was at 50 cents a gallon they'd want lower prices. That's like Rush saying he wouldn't mind making more money.

And no, "Americans" are not finding talk hosts who represent their concerns. In the latest semi-annual Talkers audience survey, Dr. Laura went up 1/4 million, Beck by over 1 million, Boortz and Levin by a fraction of a million, Mikes Gallagher and Medved up a couple quarters of a million, as was Jerry Doyle, Rusty Humphries, and Lars Larson. What did the liberals do? Ed Schultz went up 1/4 million and Alan Colmes, who's on two liberal stations in the middle of the night, went up the same. Stephanie and Randi remain in 11th place.

The facts are against you. Liberal talk is flipping stations left and right. Hey, if I owned KLSD, I'd keep it liberal, take the $1.4 million a year, whore out a few weekend hours for a couple bucks, and be thrilled. But CC or anyone else has no obligation to answer to you for how much profit is acceptable. By the way you talk, the country is deep in a recession. I have more stock market investments than the average household and I have yet to tune in to Ed or Stephanie to comfort me after the market's four days of collapse in the past three weeks.

 

[DaleGriffin]

3.Mr. Thom Hartmann discusses global warming and other earth changes repeatedly, and has periodically beaten Rush in certain markets.

Please source this statement.

 

[photog]

I'm flabbergasted that my very mild post was removed! After some of the nasty things I've read on this board, WOW! So, here goes..............

You go Glenn!!! Shine your light of truth on way things are today in politics and the culture.
Is that OK to say?? ???

 

[ABQTom]

This board has devolved into a bunch of petty schoolyard children bickering amongst themselves, while deluding themselves into thinking that what they say matters.
Other than the same clique that's drawn to this board like flies to xxxx, nobody really cares except these petty bickerers.

 

[ABQTom]

3.Mr. Thom Hartmann discusses global warming and other earth changes repeatedly, and has periodically beaten Rush in certain markets.

Please source this statement.

KPTK AM 1090 SEATTLE as one example

http://www.mythical.net/SeattleARB.htm

 

[ABQTom]

Tom: I don't know why we entertain you so much. Are you really RadioGuy2006? Perhaps next we'll hear that fenix radio stations are for sale, might be bougt by Entercom to put on chill on AM and Vietnamese polka on two fms. Bonneville will sell fast.

If you really want to debate me on issues of programming, which you're entitled to, then comments such as these make you look like the loser of the debate.

"Bob Brinker is only the "weekend leader" in your head."

No,Brinker is the ratings leader on programs with syndicated content 10a-7p Sa,Su. C2C wins overnight with ARt Bell, Rollye James.

"Periodically being the key word. You seem to really dig into the content of these liberal shows as if it were life or death. "

Well, why not? The hosts are winning in their respective dayparts against conservatives who don't touch gas mileage and alternative energy. Depending on the Saudis for Oil is a non-partisan issue as Brinker has repeatedly said.

"After Thom Hartmann puts his listeners to sleep, I guess they don't care what he talks about. Maybe he got a two share on WTKG in Grand Rapids vs. Rush's 10 show on WOOD. Congratulations. KVI in Seattle is coming back into its own and KPTK has deteriorated slightly."

Again, you can't use 12+ ratings to make your statements, it's the advertiser demo that counts, 25-54.
All the seattle talk stations have gone down since 2003-4. In the top 5 stations 25-54 6a-MID M-Sun for the summer book only KOMO makes it with only about 4 shares. It's really shocking, compare to KGO with 8 shares in the summer book and KCBS with 6:
http://www.solutionsbroadcast.com/Markets.aspx

"No, Tom, my comments are from a radio standpoint responding to your endlessly looney posts about some host with a cult following who talked about how to water begonias. You claim to be non-partisan, but the rest of us are non-political."

Everyone here is political. I don't generally disclose my affiliation(s). My posts come from a standpoint of what sells. Right now, Big Ed, Hartmann, Miller, are selling.

"This isn't a forum for discussing lower gas prices. Of course Americans want lower gas prices! If gas was at 50 cents a gallon they'd want lower prices."

No, it is the RECENT increasing cost per gas that exceeds your ability to pay for the SAME amount.

"And no, "Americans" are not finding talk hosts who represent their concerns."

Of course they are. Hartmann, Schultz, Randi, Brinker. All the conservatives just like to throw stones at Hillary, and that's immature.

"Ed Schultz went up 1/4 million and Alan Colmes, who's on two liberal stations in the middle of the night, went up the same."

Ed and Alan are *NOT* on two liberal stations in the middle of the night. That's not true.

"But CC or anyone else has no obligation to answer to you for how much profit is acceptable. By the way you talk, the country is deep in a recession."

I have NEVER on these boards talked about whether we are in a recession - that is for Hartmann and Brinker to discuss on THEIR programs - INSTEAD - I have said ECONOMIC and ENVIRONMENTAL issues like gas prices, water, and global warming are important to the general audience.


-albuquerqueTom

 

[ajhenderson]

No,Brinker is the ratings leader on programs with syndicated content 10a-7p Sa,Su. C2C wins overnight with ARt Bell, Rollye James.

Please show proof. Handel is a big show as well. And the weekend home shows, etc.

Well, why not? The hosts are winning in their respective dayparts against conservatives who don't touch gas mileage and alternative energy. Depending on the Saudis for Oil is a non-partisan issue as Brinker has repeatedly said.

Which prospective dayparts are they winning? Against whom?

Again, you can't use 12+ ratings to make your statements, it's the advertiser demo that counts, 25-54.
All the seattle talk stations have gone down since 2003-4. In the top 5 stations 25-54 6a-MID M-Sun for the summer book only KOMO makes it with only about 4 shares. It's really shocking, compare to KGO with 8 shares in the summer book and KCBS with 6:
http://www.solutionsbroadcast.com/Markets.aspx

Solutions Broadcast is a joke. Please don't lecture me on what demos are and how ratings work. I'm well aware.

Everyone here is political. I don't generally disclose my affiliation(s). My posts come from a standpoint of what sells. Right now, Big Ed, Hartmann, Miller, are selling.

No, we're not political. When your other favorite person to argue with, OMW, talks about which conservative and liberal shows he listens to, you can't tell what political allegiance he is of. The reality is we probably listen to less liberal talk because there are few decent hosts. That doesn't speak well for liberals in radio, not liberals. However, it's very obvious from your constant inaccurate pimping of Miller and Schultz how you believe. We know, you're just an American - who has very liberal views.

Of course they are. Hartmann, Schultz, Randi, Brinker. All the conservatives just like to throw stones at Hillary, and that's immature.

That doesn't mean people are finding their shows. In San Diego, there's no longer anything to be found. That's the case in a lot of markets.

"Ed Schultz went up 1/4 million and Alan Colmes, who's on two liberal stations in the middle of the night, went up the same." Ed and Alan are *NOT* on two liberal stations in the middle of the night. That's not true.

Perhaps a lesson in punctuation. I said Alan Colmes was on two liberal stations. And a bunch of fourth-rate conservative ones.

I have NEVER on these boards talked about whether we are in a recession - that is for Hartmann and Brinker to discuss on THEIR programs - INSTEAD - I have said ECONOMIC and ENVIRONMENTAL issues like gas prices, water, and global warming are important to the general audience.

Again with Brinker and Hartmann. Are you dating them? Why not let the market decide what it wants to hear? If more people want xeriscaping and global warming, people will talk about it.

 

[ABQTom]

No,Brinker is the ratings leader on programs with syndicated content 10a-7p Sa,Su. C2C wins overnight with ARt Bell, Rollye James.

Please show proof. Handel is a big show as well. And the weekend home shows, etc.

Brinker does well, everyone knows it. So do Handel and Edell, but not everyone with Brinker has Handel.

Well, why not? The hosts are winning in their respective dayparts against conservatives who don't touch gas mileage and alternative energy. Depending on the Saudis for Oil is a non-partisan issue as Brinker has repeatedly said.

Which prospective dayparts are they winning? Against whom?

Again, you can't use 12+ ratings to make your statements, it's the advertiser demo that counts, 25-54.
All the seattle talk stations have gone down since 2003-4. In the top 5 stations 25-54 6a-MID M-Sun for the summer book only KOMO makes it with only about 4 shares. It's really shocking, compare to KGO with 8 shares in the summer book and KCBS with 6:
http://www.solutionsbroadcast.com/Markets.aspx

Solutions Broadcast is a joke. Please don't lecture me on what demos are and how ratings work. I'm well aware.

Everyone here is political. I don't generally disclose my affiliation(s). My posts come from a standpoint of what sells. Right now, Big Ed, Hartmann, Miller, are selling.

No, we're not political. When your other favorite person to argue with, OMW, talks about which conservative and liberal shows he listens to, you can't tell what political allegiance he is of. The reality is we probably listen to less liberal talk because there are few decent hosts. That doesn't speak well for liberals in radio, not liberals. However, it's very obvious from your constant inaccurate pimping of Miller and Schultz how you believe. We know, you're just an American - who has very liberal views.

Of course they are. Hartmann, Schultz, Randi, Brinker. All the conservatives just like to throw stones at Hillary, and that's immature.

That doesn't mean people are finding their shows. In San Diego, there's no longer anything to be found. That's the case in a lot of markets.

"Ed Schultz went up 1/4 million and Alan Colmes, who's on two liberal stations in the middle of the night, went up the same." Ed and Alan are *NOT* on two liberal stations in the middle of the night. That's not true.

Perhaps a lesson in punctuation. I said Alan Colmes was on two liberal stations. And a bunch of fourth-rate conservative ones.

I have NEVER on these boards talked about whether we are in a recession - that is for Hartmann and Brinker to discuss on THEIR programs - INSTEAD - I have said ECONOMIC and ENVIRONMENTAL issues like gas prices, water, and global warming are important to the general audience.

Again with Brinker and Hartmann. Are you dating them? Why not let the market decide what it wants to hear? If more people want xeriscaping and global warming, people will talk about it.

 

[ajhenderson]

Brinker may have some listeners, but there is no buzz to his show. No one is talking about it. A lot of shows have listeners - big deal. You speak of him like he is the Dalai Lama doing a radio show.

 

[ABQTom]

kj:
"""Please show proof. Handel is a big show as well. And the weekend home shows, etc."""

tom:
Brinker has more ratings than Handel 12+ according to Talkers Magazine, 1.75 million for Brinker, and 1.00 for Handel.

tom:
Well, why not? The hosts are winning in their respective dayparts against conservatives who don't touch gas mileage and alternative energy. Depending on the Saudis for Oil is a non-partisan issue as Brinker has repeatedly said.

kj:
"""Which prospective dayparts are they winning? Against whom?""""

tom:
You know, we've gone over this before, and I've posted links with Arbitron data to this before. It is a WOT to keep typing to you and Boyce on these forums info that you want to ignore. Schultz and Hartmann have both periodically beat Hannity and Rush in many markets such as the link posted from AM 1090 KPTK/Seattle.

tom:
Again, you can't use 12+ ratings to make your statements, it's the advertiser demo that counts, 25-54.
All the seattle talk stations have gone down since 2003-4. In the top 5 stations 25-54 6a-MID M-Sun for the summer book only KOMO makes it with only about 4 shares. It's really shocking, compare to KGO with 8 shares in the summer book and KCBS with 6:
http://www.solutionsbroadcast.com/Markets.aspx

kj:
""""Solutions Broadcast is a joke. Please don't lecture me on what demos are and how ratings work. I'm well aware."""

tom:
Why are they a, as you say (not me) a joke? That's not fair to criticize a media consulting group on a forum without explanation.
tom:
Everyone here is political. I don't generally disclose my affiliation(s). My posts come from a standpoint of what sells. Right now, Big Ed, Hartmann, Miller, are selling.

kj:
""""No, we're not political. When your other favorite person to argue with, OMW"""

t:
Who is "we?" You claim to speak to everyone on the board? Weird. Who is OMW? I don't argue with people here, I present rational counterpoints so it's no me vs. OMW that you're referring to.

kj:
"""However, it's very obvious from your constant inaccurate pimping of Miller and Schultz how you believe. We know, you're just an American - who has very liberal views.""

t:
Again, sir, that's not fair, and I question your motivation for posting since you only resort to invective adjectives as a response to some of my comments. I don't discuss my politics on this board and YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to CLAIM on these FORUMS that I HAVE very liberal views, for the record, I am *NOT* very liberal on EVERYTHING. for example,
I am a fiscal conservative, conservative on abortion, conservative on private property rights, admire the spirituality of the late Pope John Paul, and I support voluntary prayer in schools for all faiths.

t:
I have NEVER on these boards talked about whether we are in a recession - that is for Hartmann and Brinker to discuss on THEIR programs - INSTEAD - I have said ECONOMIC and ENVIRONMENTAL issues like gas prices, water, and global warming are important to the general audience.

kj:
"""Again with Brinker and Hartmann. Are you dating them? Why not let the market decide what it wants to hear? If more people want xeriscaping and global warming, people will talk about it."""

t:
Well, they are talkin' about it. Hartmann, Schultz, and Brinker have huge ratings.

 

[DaleGriffin]

3.Mr. Thom Hartmann discusses global warming and other earth changes repeatedly, and has periodically beaten Rush in certain markets.

Please source this statement.

KPTK AM 1090 SEATTLE as one example

http://www.mythical.net/SeattleARB.htm

Fair enough 1 demo in 1 city, in a market with 6 talkers.

 

[ajhenderson]

OK, I've about had enough. However, this is not the Easy Bake Oven equivalent of radio. Most people in radio dismiss Solutions Broadcast and use Arbitron. The people using SB are low-rated stations who need something to show people (or themselves) to bamboozle them into thinking they have ratings. Look at one of those surveys and you'll see. I'll bet the Seattle report has KKNW at a 1 share or better... a joke.

 

[ABQTom]

OK, I've about had enough. However, this is not the Easy Bake Oven equivalent of radio. Most people in radio dismiss Solutions Broadcast and use Arbitron. The people using SB are low-rated stations who need something to show people (or themselves) to bamboozle them into thinking they have ratings. Look at one of those surveys and you'll see. I'll bet the Seattle report has KKNW at a 1 share or better... a joke.

Again this forum isn't here to bash media companies or suggest that they would make false claims (i.e. you mention 1 share for brokered talk KKNW). That's what's wrong with this business, and these boards (as I pointed out earlier). I have reviewed ratings on Solutions Broadcast Media and they seem reasonable.

 

[ajhenderson]

I'm not bashing. I'm stating a fact. I have also seen their surveys, and they are completely unreasonable. Stations that don't show up in Arbitron at all get 1.3s and 1.4s. Ask Phil or David if they're using Solutions Broadcast.

 

[ABQTom]

I'm not bashing. I'm stating a fact. I have also seen their surveys, and they are completely unreasonable. Stations that don't show up in Arbitron at all get 1.3s and 1.4s. Ask Phil or David if they're using Solutions Broadcast.

Well, I wouldn't want my company criticized on a message board. And I don't think you would either.

Who are Phil and David?

 

[ajhenderson]

It appears you're basically going to continue any discussion until I drop dead, so I'll say this... my business has been "bashed" on these boards. I support running brokered time on underperforming stations and hear about it all the time. While there's no "right" way of thinking on this issue, as it's an opinion, but as far as SB is concerned, it's an opinion most everyone would agree with.