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ESPN v. Fox Sports Radio: 2 Years Ago

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EDavis

Just to show the progress/direction of these two networks let's compare their lineups just two years ago to that of today.

ESPN Radio 1/19/2004
6AM - 10AM Mike & Mike in the Morning
10AM - 1PM The Herd with Colin Cowherd
1PM - 4PM The Dan Patrick Show
4PM - 7PM Sports Bash with Erik Kuselias
7PM - 1AM Game Night with Chuck Wilson and Doug Gottlieb
1AM - 6AM All Night with Todd Wright
Update Anchors included Bob Picozzi, Dan Davis, Jon Stashower, Marc Kestecher, and Jay Reyolds

Fox Sports Radio 1/19/2004
5AM - 8AM Mark Patrick on Sports
8AM - 12PM Tony Bruno Morning Extravaganza
12PM - 3PM Mark Patrick reloaded
3PM - 7PM The Drive with CJ Silas and Tim Ryan
7PM - 10PM Steve Czaban
10PM - 2AM JT The Brick
2AM - 5AM Jim Daniels

Update Anchors included Krystal Ferandez, Jerome Jurenivich, Eddie Garcia, Ben Maller, Randy Kurdune and Turk Stevens

For ESPN Radio, only Chuck Wilson and Todd Wright are no longer with the network, and for Fox, well Mark Patrick, Tony Bruno, CJ Silas, Tim Ryan, and Jim Daniels, Jerome Jurenivich, Randy Kurdune and Turk Stevens are no longer with the network.

Just an interesting note to measure the competition.
 
2 years ago....hmmm, any coincidence that the following was announced a little over 2 years ago (October 2003)? I think not>>>>>



FOX Sports Radio Network Appoints Ashwood VP/Manager

Premiere Radio Networks names KTKR/AM & WOAI/AM-San Antonio OM/PD Andrew Ashwood to the newly created VP/Manager position for FOX Sports Radio Network.

Ashwood will oversee the programming and operations of the network and will report directly to Premiere President/COO Kraig T. Kitchin.

“I welcome Andrew and his enthusiasm to Fox Sports Radio Network, which has attracted an incredible roster of talented sports broadcasters and created a foundation of strong, consistent programming,” said Kitchin. “I know with Andrew joining this group, we’ll continue seeing an impact of the brand and programming success of FOX Sports Radio.”

Ashwood added, “It’s a great time to be in the sports radio business, especially at FOX Sports Radio. I’m excited about this opportunity and look forward to working with a team that understands the importance of taking our overall customer experience to an all new level.”

Before joining the San Antonio combo, Ashwood was OM/PD at WQAM-Miami. He has also worked at stations in Phoenix, Orlando, Charlotte and Green Bay, WI in his 20-year radio career.

He begins his new duties next month (11/3/03).
 
> Dan Patrick's show is a disaster and that is why they had to cut a check and beg Oberman to join him. ESPN radio doesn't exist after dark and Mike Greenberg is as soft as ESPN 2's TV lineup. ESPN radio is only on the air to promote Sportscenter!





Just to show the progress/direction of these two networks
> let's compare their lineups just two years ago to that of
> today.
>
> ESPN Radio 1/19/2004
> 6AM - 10AM Mike & Mike in the Morning
> 10AM - 1PM The Herd with Colin Cowherd
> 1PM - 4PM The Dan Patrick Show
> 4PM - 7PM Sports Bash with Erik Kuselias
> 7PM - 1AM Game Night with Chuck Wilson and Doug Gottlieb
> 1AM - 6AM All Night with Todd Wright
> Update Anchors included Bob Picozzi, Dan Davis, Jon
> Stashower, Marc Kestecher, and Jay Reyolds
>
> Fox Sports Radio 1/19/2004
> 5AM - 8AM Mark Patrick on Sports
> 8AM - 12PM Tony Bruno Morning Extravaganza
> 12PM - 3PM Mark Patrick reloaded
> 3PM - 7PM The Drive with CJ Silas and Tim Ryan
> 7PM - 10PM Steve Czaban
> 10PM - 2AM JT The Brick
> 2AM - 5AM Jim Daniels
>
> Update Anchors included Krystal Ferandez, Jerome Jurenivich,
> Eddie Garcia, Ben Maller, Randy Kurdune and Turk Stevens
>
> For ESPN Radio, only Chuck Wilson and Todd Wright are no
> longer with the network, and for Fox, well Mark Patrick,
> Tony Bruno, CJ Silas, Tim Ryan, and Jim Daniels, Jerome
> Jurenivich, Randy Kurdune and Turk Stevens are no longer
> with the network.
>
> Just an interesting note to measure the competition.
>
 
Lest we forget that Dan Patrick's show lost Dibble and Salisbury around the same time, and it has been horrid ever since.


> Just to show the progress/direction of these two networks
> let's compare their lineups just two years ago to that of
> today.
>
> ESPN Radio 1/19/2004
> 6AM - 10AM Mike & Mike in the Morning
> 10AM - 1PM The Herd with Colin Cowherd
> 1PM - 4PM The Dan Patrick Show
> 4PM - 7PM Sports Bash with Erik Kuselias
> 7PM - 1AM Game Night with Chuck Wilson and Doug Gottlieb
> 1AM - 6AM All Night with Todd Wright
> Update Anchors included Bob Picozzi, Dan Davis, Jon
> Stashower, Marc Kestecher, and Jay Reyolds
>
> Fox Sports Radio 1/19/2004
> 5AM - 8AM Mark Patrick on Sports
> 8AM - 12PM Tony Bruno Morning Extravaganza
> 12PM - 3PM Mark Patrick reloaded
> 3PM - 7PM The Drive with CJ Silas and Tim Ryan
> 7PM - 10PM Steve Czaban
> 10PM - 2AM JT The Brick
> 2AM - 5AM Jim Daniels
>
> Update Anchors included Krystal Ferandez, Jerome Jurenivich,
> Eddie Garcia, Ben Maller, Randy Kurdune and Turk Stevens
>
> For ESPN Radio, only Chuck Wilson and Todd Wright are no
> longer with the network, and for Fox, well Mark Patrick,
> Tony Bruno, CJ Silas, Tim Ryan, and Jim Daniels, Jerome
> Jurenivich, Randy Kurdune and Turk Stevens are no longer
> with the network.
>
> Just an interesting note to measure the competition.
> <P ID="signature">______________
Bob
Moderator, Nashville board
Radio-Info.com--Always Tuned In

"I don't spread rumors, but I sometimes make outrageous speculations with no factual basis."</P>
 
While you may not like ESPN's product yourself, I think it is pretty damn good and Dan and Colin are the best on the dial along with Erik Kuselias. I'm not a big Mike and Mike fan but even they are building a huge reputation in the industry.

Comparing ESPN Radio vs Fox Sports Radio is like comparing the Yankees to the Devil Rays. It's not even worthy of a long discussion because ESPN clearly delivers the better talent, guests and product. Case closed!

> > Dan Patrick's show is a disaster and that is why they had
> to cut a check and beg Oberman to join him. ESPN radio
> doesn't exist after dark and Mike Greenberg is as soft as
> ESPN 2's TV lineup. ESPN radio is only on the air to promote
> Sportscenter!
>

> Just to show the progress/direction of these two networks
> > let's compare their lineups just two years ago to that of
> > today.
> >
> > ESPN Radio 1/19/2004
> > 6AM - 10AM Mike & Mike in the Morning
> > 10AM - 1PM The Herd with Colin Cowherd
> > 1PM - 4PM The Dan Patrick Show
> > 4PM - 7PM Sports Bash with Erik Kuselias
> > 7PM - 1AM Game Night with Chuck Wilson and Doug Gottlieb
> > 1AM - 6AM All Night with Todd Wright
> > Update Anchors included Bob Picozzi, Dan Davis, Jon
> > Stashower, Marc Kestecher, and Jay Reyolds
> >
> > Fox Sports Radio 1/19/2004
> > 5AM - 8AM Mark Patrick on Sports
> > 8AM - 12PM Tony Bruno Morning Extravaganza
> > 12PM - 3PM Mark Patrick reloaded
> > 3PM - 7PM The Drive with CJ Silas and Tim Ryan
> > 7PM - 10PM Steve Czaban
> > 10PM - 2AM JT The Brick
> > 2AM - 5AM Jim Daniels
> >
> > Update Anchors included Krystal Ferandez, Jerome
> Jurenivich,
> > Eddie Garcia, Ben Maller, Randy Kurdune and Turk Stevens
> >
> > For ESPN Radio, only Chuck Wilson and Todd Wright are no
> > longer with the network, and for Fox, well Mark Patrick,
> > Tony Bruno, CJ Silas, Tim Ryan, and Jim Daniels, Jerome
> > Jurenivich, Randy Kurdune and Turk Stevens are no longer
> > with the network.
> >
> > Just an interesting note to measure the competition.
 
> 2 years ago....hmmm, any coincidence that the following was
> announced a little over 2 years ago (October 2003)? I think
> not>>>>>
>
>
>
> FOX Sports Radio Network Appoints Ashwood VP/Manager
>
> Premiere Radio Networks names KTKR/AM & WOAI/AM-San Antonio
> OM/PD Andrew Ashwood to the newly created VP/Manager
> position for FOX Sports Radio Network.
>
> Ashwood will oversee the programming and operations of the
> network and will report directly to Premiere President/COO
> Kraig T. Kitchin.
>
> “I welcome Andrew and his enthusiasm to Fox Sports Radio
> Network, which has attracted an incredible roster of
> talented sports broadcasters and created a foundation of
> strong, consistent programming,” said Kitchin. “I know with
> Andrew joining this group, we’ll continue seeing an impact
> of the brand and programming success of FOX Sports Radio.”
>
> Ashwood added, “It’s a great time to be in the sports radio
> business, especially at FOX Sports Radio. I’m excited about
> this opportunity and look forward to working with a team
> that understands the importance of taking our overall
> customer experience to an all new level.”
>
> Before joining the San Antonio combo, Ashwood was OM/PD at
> WQAM-Miami. He has also worked at stations in Phoenix,
> Orlando, Charlotte and Green Bay, WI in his 20-year radio
> career.
>
> He begins his new duties next month (11/3/03).

Man, that is funny. Sounds just like when he said that Van Earl Wright was a perfect fit for the morning slot. When your 'team' changes so many times, that's a clear indication that all is not well. It has seemed to me that AA is grasping a straws hoping he hits the right combination. I no longer listen to FSR, but I will never turn down a chance to kick old 'Andy' in the rear. As far as I'm concerned, FSR is a non-entity in the sports business.
>
 
> Lest we forget that Dan Patrick's show lost Dibble and
> Salisbury around the same time, and it has been horrid ever
> since.

I'll admit that Dibble was a big loss to DP's show, but the addition of Olberman more than makes up for it (if your IQ is above 53); DP puts on a good show. And just FYI, Salisbury is still a regular guest.

Mike and Mike has never been my cup of tea, but its fine. I think Cowherd is the weak link----Tony Kornheiser was much better in that slot. Cowherd sounds like a Z-grade Jim Rome half the time (reading some asinine "take") and a small market overnight host the rest. No good.

As to FSR, I really had never heard too much aside from the Weekend programming before I got XM.....I do like The Drive in the afternoons---I've always dug Myers and Bryan Cox will be fine once he slows down a bit.....

I think that Ben Maller is the underused talent there.....I won't beat the dead horse that Ferrall should be doing mornings but its pretty obvious to anyone IMHO.<P ID="signature">______________
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised</P>
 
> I'll admit that Dibble was a big loss to DP's show, but the
> addition of Olberman more than makes up for it (if your IQ
> is above 53); DP puts on a good show.

I agree that Olbermann is a breath of fresh air, but I disagree in that I feel Patrick is otherwise unlistenable. He absolutly sounds lost without someone to balance his style.

> I think Cowherd is the weak link----Tony Kornheiser was much
> better in that slot. Cowherd sounds like a Z-grade Jim Rome
> half the time (reading some asinine "take") and a small
> market overnight host the rest. No good.

Maybe I am alone in this, but I have really enjoyed Cowherd. He is funny, informative, willing to take or give a punch, and overall pretty intellegent. And, as sacreligious as it will sound to lots of people here, I find him far more relevant and interesting than Kornheiser ever was to me.

Actually, this is one of the reasons I enjoy this forum so much..my tastes seem quite opposite to the majority here. Except, of course, in one regard - I also FSR is an embarrassing train wreck. Ouch.
 
> I also FSR is an
> embarrassing train wreck. Ouch.
>

My criticisms would carry more weight if I could use English properly. What I meant to say was:

"I also think that FSR is an embarrassing train wreck. Ouch."


Oh, and that "realdeal" guy is pretty funny. I guess the world needs bootlickers, toadies, and lackeys too. One can always become successful if they have no shame!
 
> Since I've come on this board I have destroyed the Bruno clones who didn't realize that Tony took a $400K paycut to be on 1/5 of the affiliate base that he once had. Also, let me remind you that FSR is a division of Clear Channel a company you might have read about in the past. They own 1,200 stations and are thrilled that FSR is growing their revenue and affilate base while ESPN has to buy their way on to radio stations to cross promote Sportscenter. SNR is a distant third when it comes to clearence, revenue and satisfaction.
I know some of these facts are tough for you to swallow, but they are all true and prove that most of you have no idea about what you discuss on this board.








I also FSR is an
> > embarrassing train wreck. Ouch.
> >
>
> My criticisms would carry more weight if I could use English
> properly. What I meant to say was:
>
> "I also think that FSR is an embarrassing train wreck.
> Ouch."
>
>
> Oh, and that "realdeal" guy is pretty funny. I guess the
> world needs bootlickers, toadies, and lackeys too. One can
> always become successful if they have no shame!
>
 
> > Since I've come on this board I have destroyed the Bruno
> clones who didn't realize that Tony took a $400K paycut to
> be on 1/5 of the affiliate base that he once had. Also, let
> me remind you that FSR is a division of Clear Channel a
> company you might have read about in the past. They own
> 1,200 stations and are thrilled that FSR is growing their
> revenue and affilate base while ESPN has to buy their way on
> to radio stations to cross promote Sportscenter. SNR is a
> distant third when it comes to clearence, revenue and
> satisfaction.
> I know some of these facts are tough for you to swallow,
> but they are all true and prove that most of you have no
> idea about what you discuss on this board.

So a chain shoves FSR birdfeed programming on many of its graveyard channel stations that have 35 watts at night -- and that's better than ESPN buying decent-signaled stations to put their programming on?

Explain the logic, please. ESPN Radio's on at least one clear channel (1000 Chicago). I can't think of one big-sticked station in the East carrying FSR that I can get on skywave.
 
> > Since I've come on this board I have destroyed the Bruno
> clones who didn't realize that Tony took a $400K paycut to
> be on 1/5 of the affiliate base that he once had. Also, let
> me remind you that FSR is a division of Clear Channel a
> company you might have read about in the past. They own
> 1,200 stations and are thrilled that FSR is growing their
> revenue and affilate base while ESPN has to buy their way on
> to radio stations to cross promote Sportscenter. SNR is a
> distant third when it comes to clearence, revenue and
> satisfaction.
> I know some of these facts are tough for you to swallow,
> but they are all true and prove that most of you have no
> idea about what you discuss on this board.


Hehe! You are right! I have no inside knowledge or industry insight. I admit to that fully. I do not profess to know anything but my own opinion. It might behoove you to do the same, you silly myopic stooge. There it is, another personal failing of mine, caling names....

And what is this "satisfaction"? More unquantifiable drivel? Do you honestly think Sportscenter needs cross-promotion? Are you nuts? I would love to see to whom you cc these posts. ("Look! Look! Aren't I such a go-o-o-o-ooood dog?! Huh?)

To borrow an analogy from another field, Oldsmobile was a part of GM (You have heard of GM, haven't you? It is a big company that makes..well..never mind), but that did not make it inherently profitable.

To take a cue from Dan Patrick, I will now answer my own questions:

Am I uninformed? Sure!

Do you entertain me? Like a clown? Yes you do.

I marvel at the likes of you. Yeesh.

And, yes, I need another hobby.
 
> Explain the logic, please. ESPN Radio's on at least one
> clear channel (1000 Chicago). I can't think of one
> big-sticked station in the East carrying FSR that I can get
> on skywave.
>
the logic is that realdeal is nothing more than a shill for Ashwood.
She's nothing more than a lapdog for CC. I would paid no attention to her posts-unless you want to hear the same joke over and over and over.
 
> Well WEEI 850AM out of Boston plays Fox Sports Radio
> overnights and weekends

And most of WEEI's nighttime signal is aimed right for Boston proper -- and beyond that, the fishies. It doesn't even cover the back end of the market at night.

There's a reason why WHDH (for 70-plus years WEEI's predecessor on 850) was known as "We Haul Dead Haddocks."
 
> > Since I've come on this board I have destroyed the Bruno
> clones who didn't realize that Tony took a $400K paycut to
> be on 1/5 of the affiliate base that he once had. Also, let
> me remind you that FSR is a division of Clear Channel a
> company you might have read about in the past. They own
> 1,200 stations and are thrilled that FSR is growing their
> revenue and affilate base while ESPN has to buy their way on
> to radio stations to cross promote Sportscenter. SNR is a
> distant third when it comes to clearence, revenue and
> satisfaction.
> I know some of these facts are tough for you to swallow,
> but they are all true and prove that most of you have no
> idea about what you discuss on this board.
>
>
> Damn Ashwood, get off the board. This sounds like the typical pablum he likes to spew.
>
>
>
>
>
> I also FSR is an
> > > embarrassing train wreck. Ouch.
> > >
> >
> > My criticisms would carry more weight if I could use
> English
> > properly. What I meant to say was:
> >
> > "I also think that FSR is an embarrassing train wreck.
> > Ouch."
> >
> >
> > Oh, and that "realdeal" guy is pretty funny. I guess the
> > world needs bootlickers, toadies, and lackeys too. One can
>
> > always become successful if they have no shame!
> >
>
 
Realdeal, I'm still waiting for a reasoned response to my queries. I noticed you quickly shot down the person who complimented ESPN, so I'm sure you'll be able to explain the discrepancies between my reality and your "reality."
 
> >ESPN radio pays a few Clear Channel stations to carry their product. Are you too dumb to figure that out? They cut a check so that they can clear a certain market that will not carry their shows. ESPN radio is spending $millions to be on in NY so that they can claim that they are on in the same market as WFAN. The same can be said in Boston and Detroit where they don't show up in the ratings, but paid to get cleared. Don't forget about the money they gave Oberman to save Dan Patrick.














> Since I've come on this board I have destroyed the Bruno
>
> > clones who didn't realize that Tony took a $400K paycut to
>
> > be on 1/5 of the affiliate base that he once had. Also,
> let
> > me remind you that FSR is a division of Clear Channel a
> > company you might have read about in the past. They own
> > 1,200 stations and are thrilled that FSR is growing their
> > revenue and affilate base while ESPN has to buy their way
> on
> > to radio stations to cross promote Sportscenter. SNR is a
> > distant third when it comes to clearence, revenue and
> > satisfaction.
> > I know some of these facts are tough for you to swallow,
>
> > but they are all true and prove that most of you have no
> > idea about what you discuss on this board.
>
> So a chain shoves FSR birdfeed programming on many of its
> graveyard channel stations that have 35 watts at night --
> and that's better than ESPN buying decent-signaled stations
> to put their programming on?
>
> Explain the logic, please. ESPN Radio's on at least one
> clear channel (1000 Chicago). I can't think of one
> big-sticked station in the East carrying FSR that I can get
> on skywave.
>
 
They don't have a Detroit station realdeal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Since I've come on this board I have destroyed the Bruno
> >
> > > clones who didn't realize that Tony took a $400K paycut
> to
> >
> > > be on 1/5 of the affiliate base that he once had. Also,
> > let
> > > me remind you that FSR is a division of Clear Channel a
> > > company you might have read about in the past. They own
> > > 1,200 stations and are thrilled that FSR is growing
> their
> > > revenue and affilate base while ESPN has to buy their
> way
> > on
> > > to radio stations to cross promote Sportscenter. SNR is
> a
> > > distant third when it comes to clearence, revenue and
> > > satisfaction.
> > > I know some of these facts are tough for you to
> swallow,
> >
> > > but they are all true and prove that most of you have no
>
> > > idea about what you discuss on this board.
> >
> > So a chain shoves FSR birdfeed programming on many of its
> > graveyard channel stations that have 35 watts at night --
> > and that's better than ESPN buying decent-signaled
> stations
> > to put their programming on?
> >
> > Explain the logic, please. ESPN Radio's on at least one
> > clear channel (1000 Chicago). I can't think of one
> > big-sticked station in the East carrying FSR that I can
> get
> > on skywave.
> >
>
 
What about in Dallas? Check out the latest 12+ practically neck and neck with KTCK The Ticket. FSR has zero clearance in DFW anymore
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> <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by hoochbcs on 01/24/06 02:04 AM.</FONT></P>
 
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