Yogi Berra was correct. Jesus even said that only the Father in Heaven knows when the end will be, so not even God's Son, Jesus, knows by his own admission. That's what makes Camping and any of the other date setters look so ridiculous. It's like they believe they are tighter with God the Father than Jesus. That surly is arrogant, prideful, and seems to be a bit blasphemous, if you ask me.
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Amen!!!
To say that the world is going to end makes God a liar, in that His word is clear, "The earth abides forever"; furthermore, it makes the countless faithful liars, who profess regularly, "World without end, Amen".
Just sayin' is all. There is an end to grace, and there is an end to those who destroy the earth and one another, but the earth abides forever.
Just sayin' is all. There is an end to grace, and there is an end to those who destroy the earth and one another, but the earth abides forever.
I'll bet that when you worked that out, you started with the day after your birthday and worked backward, just so lots of people will feel sorry for you and give you presents, since the world's gonna be over the next day and all. ;D[email protected] said:
I think if Brother Camping is wrong that it will be a stumbling block to anyone who listens to Short Wave on WYFR and hasn't heard the gospel message. Who is going to believe someone who has not heard the Gospel Message who told them the world will end on a certain day and find out the next day that their Christian friends or even those who got saved by that man on Shortwave are still here. You know that Short Wave and Satellite TV are increasingly a tool for Evangelistic Outreach the World Over. And Christian outreach over Short Wave is powerful enough not to screw up by some crackpot who thinks that the world will end on a day certain and people find out that the person who turned out to be a false prophet is still there. If he turns out to be right I look forward to the Rapture. If not, he will be regarded as a false prophet and will not be worth listening to when he teaches. I read some of his voluminous reasoning and I find a lot of error in his teaching. From what I hear the Lord has a whole lot in store for us before Jesus comes to take his church and he isn't telling what date or hour he is coming.
The Gospel Message is not that the world is going to end.
The Gospel message is "the good news," that Jesus was born, he died, he was buried and he was resurrected, in order to allow all of us to be forgiven of our sins (if we choose to believe).
There are other aspects to theology, like eschatology, but that's not part of "the gospel" it's just part of what some people preach.
The Gospel message is "the good news," that Jesus was born, he died, he was buried and he was resurrected, in order to allow all of us to be forgiven of our sins (if we choose to believe).
There are other aspects to theology, like eschatology, but that's not part of "the gospel" it's just part of what some people preach.
quadraphonic said:
And invented out of whole cloth in maybe the last 100 years or so. I think we can give Mr. Scofield credit for making the "End Times" part of our vocabulary.
Actually around the mid 1800's around 1830-50ish, a Anglican minister from England by the name of John Nelson Darby, came to the US and started a new denomination called the Plymouth Brethren Church. He is credited with being the first to espouse the end times (Left Behind) interpretation to the book of Revelation. Cyrus Scofield, who wrote the popular Scofield reference Bible was the one who did spread the theology of the left behind rapture version of Revelation to the general public in the US via his popular reference Bible. Typically the more fundamentalist and Pentecostal churches have this view of the Book of Revelation.
What we call the mainline denominations today: Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, and Roman Catholic all have a different view of the end times than Darby's view of Revelation. Their view is called Amillennial, which essentially says that the church will be raptured up, but at the final end time just before judgment day. So no left behind second chance scenario like the book and movie "Left Behind" portray. When the Rapture comes, it's all over, but the judgment. None of these denominations try to predict when that end time day of judgment will be, referring to Christ's words that even he doesn't know, only God the Father, but that we should be prepared or ready as Christ could come at anytime.
A good place to view an interesting video on this at the Lutheran Hour Men's Ministry website : http://www.lhmmen.com/studydetail.asp?id=13572
What we call the mainline denominations today: Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, Episcopal, and Roman Catholic all have a different view of the end times than Darby's view of Revelation. Their view is called Amillennial, which essentially says that the church will be raptured up, but at the final end time just before judgment day. So no left behind second chance scenario like the book and movie "Left Behind" portray. When the Rapture comes, it's all over, but the judgment. None of these denominations try to predict when that end time day of judgment will be, referring to Christ's words that even he doesn't know, only God the Father, but that we should be prepared or ready as Christ could come at anytime.
A good place to view an interesting video on this at the Lutheran Hour Men's Ministry website : http://www.lhmmen.com/studydetail.asp?id=13572
MikefromDelaware said:
A friend of mine used to quote his old Southern preacher father, who when asked if he was pre-millennial, post-millennial or Amillennial, would reply: "Uhm-millennial" At that point the person asking the question would say: What's that? " 'uhm sure its all gonna work out some how." ;D
I think you will find in those main line churches a significant group that is NOT any-kind-of-millennial. They read that things HERE do not end so that all can go SOME WHERE ELSE... but... that "right 'chere" becomes the new heaven and the new earth.
Camping apparently doesn't buy into that group.
I think you will find in those main line churches a significant group that is NOT any-kind-of-millennial. They read that things HERE do not end so that all can go SOME WHERE ELSE... but... that "right 'chere" becomes the new heaven and the new earth
Those folks aren't following the official denomination stand, but that's never stopped folks before. The American Catholic Church vs the Italian Catholic Church for example, if the American Catholics followed Rome's rule far more than they do, they're be a lot more little Catholics running around. There are some fundamentalist churches that teach that Jesus made Welshade at the Wedding of Cana and drank Welshade at the Last Supper totally ignoring 1 Corinthians 11 where Paul reams some of them out for getting drunk (gluttony) and being pigs (gluttony) and being selfish and prideful, etc, by not sharing their food with the poor at the Agape Love feast (pot luck supper) they had prior to the Communion service. Last time I checked, you'll get diarrhea from drinking too much grape juice, but you'll not get drunk.
Those folks aren't following the official denomination stand, but that's never stopped folks before. The American Catholic Church vs the Italian Catholic Church for example, if the American Catholics followed Rome's rule far more than they do, they're be a lot more little Catholics running around. There are some fundamentalist churches that teach that Jesus made Welshade at the Wedding of Cana and drank Welshade at the Last Supper totally ignoring 1 Corinthians 11 where Paul reams some of them out for getting drunk (gluttony) and being pigs (gluttony) and being selfish and prideful, etc, by not sharing their food with the poor at the Agape Love feast (pot luck supper) they had prior to the Communion service. Last time I checked, you'll get diarrhea from drinking too much grape juice, but you'll not get drunk.
MikefromDelaware said:
No, I'm talking about the official denominational position. There are some denominations, there are some seminaries that are not into "HE will destroy and abandon the earth" theology.
hmmm, interesting.
Having grown up Baptist I heard the teaching that Jesus will return in the very near future. Although my views have changed I will say that even most of the people do believe that Jesus will return in the near future are against Camping's date setting as well.
I don't know how anyone can take the Bible at its literal meaning. Just take the most important story in the New Testament, the Resurrection. The four gospels all differ widely on what happened. Were there one woman (John), two (Matthew), three (Mark) or more (Luke) who went to the tomb on Easter Sunday? Was the stone rolled away (Luke, John, Mark) or did an angel come down from heaven to roll it away (Matthew)? Was Jesus there? John says yes, the others say no. Was there an earthquake? Matthew says there was, the others don't mention it. How many angels were there? One (Matthew), two (John), a young man dressed in white (Mark), two men dressed in white (Luke). Clearly the Bible teaches us important stories but it isn't a factual journal of information.
Anyway, I saw a billboard on Route 440 in Jersey City saying "World Destruction Day - May 21, 2010" with the words "The Bible guarantees it" in a gold circle and showing the silohette of a man kneeling in prayer. The billboard also said to listen to WFME 94.7 FM or go to www.FamilyRadio.com. This is the first time I've seen a highway billboard.
By the way, because this has to happen in each time zone at midday on May 21, according to Camping, those of us in the Western Hemisphere will know what's going on many hours before it hits us. So if on the evening of May 20, you hear Asia and Australia are undergoing terrible earthquakes and destruction, we'll know Camping is right. If not, we can go to bed without worry.
Will Camping step down on May 22 if he's wrong? Will he hand over his radio and TV holdings to another non-profit group? How could he possibly show his face to his supporters? How could Family Radio continue to broadcast if May 21 comes and goes with no rapture?
Gregg
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Anyway, I saw a billboard on Route 440 in Jersey City saying "World Destruction Day - May 21, 2010" with the words "The Bible guarantees it" in a gold circle and showing the silohette of a man kneeling in prayer. The billboard also said to listen to WFME 94.7 FM or go to www.FamilyRadio.com. This is the first time I've seen a highway billboard.
By the way, because this has to happen in each time zone at midday on May 21, according to Camping, those of us in the Western Hemisphere will know what's going on many hours before it hits us. So if on the evening of May 20, you hear Asia and Australia are undergoing terrible earthquakes and destruction, we'll know Camping is right. If not, we can go to bed without worry.
Will Camping step down on May 22 if he's wrong? Will he hand over his radio and TV holdings to another non-profit group? How could he possibly show his face to his supporters? How could Family Radio continue to broadcast if May 21 comes and goes with no rapture?
Gregg
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Gregg, I recommend a short book called "The Case for Easter" by Lee Strobel. The book is about 90 pages and discusses the four gospel account, also discusses the medical evidence: Was Jesus' Death a Shame and his Resurrection a hoax? The Evidence of the Missing body: Was Jesus' Body really absent from his tomb? The Evidence of appearances: Was Jesus Seen Alive after his death on the Cross?
Lee Strobel was educated at Yale Law School, was the award winning legal editor of the Chicago Tribune and was a spiritual skeptic. As a journalist he investigated the evidence for the Resurrection and offers what he learned in his investigative research. It's an easy and interesting read. You can get it online at Amazon, etc, also at any Christian book store, or possibly at a Borders or Barnes and Noble as well. The book sells for about $3.00. This book will attempt to answer your questions.
As far as Camping is concerned. He's misusing the Bible. Don't allow his non-sense get in your way of having an encounter with the Risen Christ. Jesus even says in the Bible that even HE doesn't know the date, that ONLY God the Father knows. So by Camping trying to pick the date is to call Jesus a liar and elevate Camping's understanding to be above that of God's Son Jesus. Just ignore Harold Camping. Get the book and see where the Lord takes you. It's worth the $3.00 and the time it takes to read.
Lee Strobel was educated at Yale Law School, was the award winning legal editor of the Chicago Tribune and was a spiritual skeptic. As a journalist he investigated the evidence for the Resurrection and offers what he learned in his investigative research. It's an easy and interesting read. You can get it online at Amazon, etc, also at any Christian book store, or possibly at a Borders or Barnes and Noble as well. The book sells for about $3.00. This book will attempt to answer your questions.
As far as Camping is concerned. He's misusing the Bible. Don't allow his non-sense get in your way of having an encounter with the Risen Christ. Jesus even says in the Bible that even HE doesn't know the date, that ONLY God the Father knows. So by Camping trying to pick the date is to call Jesus a liar and elevate Camping's understanding to be above that of God's Son Jesus. Just ignore Harold Camping. Get the book and see where the Lord takes you. It's worth the $3.00 and the time it takes to read.
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