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Family Radio Buys "End of The World" Ads on NYC Transit

Somebody in Oakland and San Francisco who is a camping supporter is hiding him. Heck we made Camping the new Glenn Beck. I hope Camping didn't just use this date to commit Suicide. Look in Oakland yesterday, More Anti-Camping groups were waiting outside the Family Radio's 610 AM studios partying like its New Year if you see video from the KGO-TV report lots of San Francisco Media and anti-Camping groups were waiting if he will explain himself. OK Lets protest outside History Channel offices next year and go after the Camping type people who started the 2012 scare. and 2 I hope KNDL the dead religious station in Napa takes over the 610am Frequency.
 
It's good that you tune in to gospel stations, however the gospel is delivered.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
Rather than see Family Radio go away, I'd simply remove Harold Camping. The music they play is very worshipful and unique. Some of the other features are unique. The only problem I've found is Harold Camping and his teachings. So eliminate his influence completely. Their board needs to give him the golden parachute and have him retire. With their unique music and programming, Family Radio would be a great alternative for those Christians who want a quieter form of Religious music other than CCM Top 40.

I realize most here probably would never listen to Family Radio, but apparently there are enough folks willing to pony up the money from their wallets to keep a world wide network of radio stations running 24/7. So as those folks are paying the bills, and you and I are not paying anything via any government support, why should it go dark.
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That may be more easily said than done...removing Camping and continuing Family Radio. I'm not sure and maybe someone can clarify, but I was reading an online news story which stated that Harold Camping actually owns Family Radio. Even if he does not, one has to consider that Camping did not solely perpetuate this nonsense about "Judgment Day". Family Radio had all this info about doomsday plastered all over the home page of their website. The Bible says that if someone prophesies an event and it does not come to pass, then the Lord has not spoken and the person making those statements is a false prophet. We are also instructed not to listen to false prophets. Since Camping's "prophecy" did not come to pass as he declared it would, that makes him a false prophet. Likewise, Family Radio, by their decision to join Camping and promote it, should be considered a false prophet of sorts as well. I have always been told that Christians shouldn't attend churches which teach unbiblical theology. Why would I, as a Christian, want to listen to a radio "ministry" which endorses false doctrine (that man can know of the day of the Lord's return when the Bible explicity tells me otherwise)?
 
Which is why I said that the only problem I see with Family Radio IS Harold Camping and his teachings. HE is the false prophet. My guess is, many of the Family Station's employees are dedicated followers of Christ that simply were misled as Camping convinced them that he was correct. It would be interesting to know IF any of their employees questioned what was going on. Of course, they might have chosen to ignore what he was preaching in interests of keeping their jobs, which would be wrong. We'll probably never know that answer.

I agree that I'd not go to a church I believed was preaching false doctrine. The problem is, there are literally thousands of denominations all preaching the Risen Christ, but have some difference than the others which is why they were created. So in essence, we all could be worshiping at churches that have some part of the Gospel message in error, or we'd all still be Roman Catholics and Martin Luther's Protestant Reformation wouldn't have occurred. Even after Luther was excommunicated from the Roman church and he then started his Evangelical Church that was later named Lutheran (after he was dead), others didn't stay with Lutheranism and started their own denominations as they had a still different view of some part of the scriptures vs what Lutheranism or Roman Catholicism was teaching.

I don't know of ANY Christian Church be it Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Baptist, Non-Denominational, Charismatic, Assembly of God, etc, that deviate on the bedrock beliefs of virgin birth, Jesus Son of God, Crucified, Resurrection, Assention into heaven, Pentecost. But after that there's all sorts of differences. So which one is correct and making the others false churches. That's the problem with trying to label a church with that label, because frankly, probably all churches have some error in them, and as Paul said that we see through smoked colored glass and won't see until the Perfect comes. We won't know the complete unvarnished truth UNTIL we're with Jesus in heaven, because the human condition is in every church. So I'd totally agree that Harold Camping is a FALSE Prophet. He should be booted out and never allowed to use the radio/TV/shortwave airwaves ever again. I've seen denominations like Assembly of God boot out Jim Baker, and Jimmy Swaggart, the denomination didn't endorse what they were doing, so they gave them the boot. Family Stations should do the same.

NOW, if Family Radio continues to 1. back Camping, 2. continue to preach some new date for the end times, then I'd agree that then those folks there are believers of Camping's teachings and I'd have to agree that their entire operation was a false prophet and I'd then not even listen at Christmas time.

The problem is, I don't think he's violated any laws. So as long as the FCC doesn't have a problem with the false media circus he's created, other than his listeners not donating which would force Family Radio to go under, other wise he'll probably get to continue on with his false teaching until he leaves this world and gets to face the Lord directly.

If Camping owns the entire network and is "pope" of Family Radio, then probably Family Radio is doomed. If he is part owner with a board that can make decisions like booting him out, then Family Radio might be able to salvage their ministry and start over. I guess THAT is the big question.

One positive thing that I experienced due to this entire mess is that during the past two weeks I have had all sorts of wonderful opportunities to share Christ with people as many non-believers who know I'm a Christian have asked me about all this. So maybe in spite of Camping making a lemon, God can turn it into lemonade and use this mess to still bring people to him. With God all things ARE possible.
 
Here's a radio station that has a musical presentation like Family Radio but unlike them, they are promoting a more Biblical brand of Christianity.  And yes this network is trying to build even more stations, in those areas, where Family Radio already has a dangerous presence.

R.D.P. <><

P.S. And this is one of the radio stations, I'm still trying to get to help with my possible return to radio broadcasting.

http://www.redeemerbroadcasting.org/
 
R.D.P, thank you for the link to Redeemer Broadcasting org. The music is wonderful. I looked at the program guide and they have both Lutheran (The Lutheran Hour) and Presbyterian programs (Alistair Begg, and a couple others, also Dr. RC Sproul, even Walk with the King - Dr. Robert A. Cook (one show on Family Radio I used to really like - yes I realize he's been home with the Lord for quite a few years, but his uplifting sermons still are relevant to our world so I look forward to hearing the voice of an old radio friend), Stories of Great Christians - a 15 dramatized radio serial I haven't heard for many years, and others I don't know their origin, also SRN radio news, and no Harold Camping. WFSO-FM Olivebridge, NY is the Redeemer station on line at this web site. WFSO, according to Radio Locator is a 100 watt station with 3 translators.

I've bookmarked this and will be a regular listener to this both at home and at work. Maybe Redeemer would set up a fourth translator for the Wilmington Delaware market as this area could really use a station like this.

Thank you brother for this link.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
Which is why I said that the only problem I see with Family Radio IS Harold Camping and his teachings. HE is the false prophet. My guess is, many of the Family Station's employees are dedicated followers of Christ that simply were misled as Camping convinced them that he was correct. It would be interesting to know IF any of their employees questioned what was going on. Of course, they might have chosen to ignore what he was preaching in interests of keeping their jobs, which would be wrong. We'll probably never know that answer.

I agree that I'd not go to a church I believed was preaching false doctrine. The problem is, there are literally thousands of denominations all preaching the Risen Christ, but have some difference than the others which is why they were created. So in essence, we all could be worshiping at churches that have some part of the Gospel message in error, or we'd all still be Roman Catholics and Martin Luther's Protestant Reformation wouldn't have occurred. Even after Luther was excommunicated from the Roman church and he then started his Evangelical Church that was later named Lutheran (after he was dead), others didn't stay with Lutheranism and started their own denominations as they had a still different view of some part of the scriptures vs what Lutheranism or Roman Catholicism was teaching.

I don't know of ANY Christian Church be it Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Baptist, Non-Denominational, Charismatic, Assembly of God, etc, that deviate on the bedrock beliefs of virgin birth, Jesus Son of God, Crucified, Resurrection, Assention into heaven, Pentecost. But after that there's all sorts of differences. So which one is correct and making the others false churches. That's the problem with trying to label a church with that label, because frankly, probably all churches have some error in them, and as Paul said that we see through smoked colored glass and won't see until the Perfect comes. We won't know the complete unvarnished truth UNTIL we're with Jesus in heaven, because the human condition is in every church. So I'd totally agree that Harold Camping is a FALSE Prophet. He should be booted out and never allowed to use the radio/TV/shortwave airwaves ever again. I've seen denominations like Assembly of God boot out Jim Baker, and Jimmy Swaggart, the denomination didn't endorse what they were doing, so they gave them the boot. Family Stations should do the same.

NOW, if Family Radio continues to 1. back Camping, 2. continue to preach some new date for the end times, then I'd agree that then those folks there are believers of Camping's teachings and I'd have to agree that their entire operation was a false prophet and I'd then not even listen at Christmas time.

The problem is, I don't think he's violated any laws. So as long as the FCC doesn't have a problem with the false media circus he's created, other than his listeners not donating which would force Family Radio to go under, other wise he'll probably get to continue on with his false teaching until he leaves this world and gets to face the Lord directly.

If Camping owns the entire network and is "pope" of Family Radio, then probably Family Radio is doomed. If he is part owner with a board that can make decisions like booting him out, then Family Radio might be able to salvage their ministry and start over. I guess THAT is the big question.
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Sorry, I respectively disagree. Camping is a false prophet and Family Radio, by endorsing a doomsday event which did not come to pass, is no different. One might say that false prophets only apply to actual persons, but that would extend to ministries under their direction as well, IMO. And yes, I do agree with you that there are several of the Family Radio employees who are good Christian people who have been unfairly caught up in this mess. I have read many of them have planned to be at work tomorrow. Unfortunately, for them, because of Mr. Camping's and the ministry's decision to "globally advertise" something which is clearly unbiblical, I fear many of them will lose their jobs, eventually once the donations fall off in response to this fiasco. I pray for them that they won't lose their jobs, but it does not look good for them. However, as far as listening to Family Radio, I just can't see it, myself. Even if Camping were removed and an apology were issued, would they really be sincere or would it be done in order to just save themselves financially? We just wouldn't know, and if they endorsed this kind of "theology" regarding the knowledge of the specific day and time Christ returns (which unequivocably goes against what the Bible teaches), what will prevent them from preaching other heresies down the road? There are certain types of ministries out there which we know are not christian....those which don't teach Jesus' divinity, that He was born of a virgin, that He died for our sins, etc...those are givens that we know to avoid. Camping and Family Radio are different in the fact that some of what they teach is Biblical while other scriptures are completely taken out of context from their intended meaning. Those types of ministries are the most detrimental. What is it they say that is most dangerous...truth mixed with error? I definitely wouldn't spend five minutes of my time listening to them, given what has just happened (or didn't happen, as the case might be) and the fact they promoted it...along with the untold amounts of damage to Christianity and the ruin of Camping's followers' personal and financial lives, not to mention their faith. There are many other good ministries online and broadcasting which offer similar music that Family Radio offers...and they don't have to compromise the Bible in the process.

One positive thing that I experienced due to this entire mess is that during the past two weeks I have had all sorts of wonderful opportunities to share Christ with people as many non-believers who know I'm a Christian have asked me about all this. So maybe in spite of Camping making a lemon, God can turn it into lemonade and use this mess to still bring people to him. With God all things ARE possible.
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I do agree with you that the only positive aspect of this failed prophecy is that many people are hearing about Christ, opening their Bibles for the first time, etc. And yes...I do believe God (somehow) will make something good come out of it, too. It's possible that some of Camping's (now -ex) followers, and some other lost people who have been brought up in church and who have a good, solid Biblical background could be saved through all of it. Unfortunately, for many, it will be just more reason for them to mock Christianity, and this "prophecy" will serve as another eyesore for the Christian faith. One only needs to look at Family Radio's facebook page and see the hundreds of comments ridiculing Christians and Christianity (in the most obscene ways, in some posts) to realize that people's aversion to the gospel will be moreso now than it was prior to May 21. It's to be expected, of course. Jesus forewarned us that people would go from bad to worse over time. Ironically, we now have a "christian" mininstry to thank for the worsening perception of Christianity, while making it much more difficult for Christians sharing the gospel with the lost.
 
recto101 said:
Somebody in Oakland and San Francisco who is a camping supporter is hiding him. Heck we made Camping the new Glenn Beck. I hope Camping didn't just use this date to commit Suicide. Look in Oakland yesterday, More Anti-Camping groups were waiting outside the Family Radio's 610 AM studios partying like its New Year if you see video from the KGO-TV report lots of San Francisco Media and anti-Camping groups were waiting if he will explain himself. OK Lets protest outside History Channel offices next year and go after the Camping type people who started the 2012 scare. and 2 I hope KNDL the dead religious station in Napa takes over the 610am Frequency.
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The one thing that I can be sure about the May 21st debacle is that Camping has some explaning to do, as do his colleagues. Whether he does his explaining to the FCC remains to be seen at this point.
 
Actually, I tend to agree with you, as I visited the Redeemer Broadcasting website, it offered what Camping's teachings have been. I've not listened to him since his 1994 prediction. I literally have listened to the Morning Clock sometimes and the music. I haven't heard a full sentence Harold Camping has said since 1994 as I turn off Family Radio the second I hear Camping's voice. So as a result, I had no idea that he was telling people to leave their churches, do not take the sacraments of baptism or Holy Communion, do not tithe to the local church but give it all to Family Radio, etc, etc. I only knew of his crazy prediction for May 21st, and not from hearing anything about it on Family Radio, but from the mainstream media and non-Christian friends asking me about the end times as they heard about it via the media.

Now, having read all that about Camping from Redeemer's web site, there is no doubt at all Camping is a very false prophet and I agree that as long as Camping is in anyway affiliated with Family Radio, I can't even tune in for the Christmas Music. If Family Stations can get rid of Camping and those who supported his view, and change the name and start over, I could see that possibility, but short of that, no way. Thankfully for me, R.D.P. put me on to the online Redeemer Network. I've already told some folks I know who have been listening to Family Radio for the music about Redeemer. So they've already lost some listeners.

Believers like me are marginalized by the lack of Christian music for us. Most Christian stations in the Northeast play CCM Top 40. I guess in the Bible Belt regions there are more choices, but at least in the Wilmington/Philly area CCM and preachers are it. Not even CCM Gold from 70's-90's. If you like the older praise, hymns, Gregorian Chants, Psalms, etc, there's no place to tune on either AM or FM. Many people who like Classical music or quiet music have tuned in to Family Radio, because quite often it's the ONLY station in their market playing that sort of music (everything else is loud rock, rap, or country, all with words that don't glorify the Lord. But as that audience is generally past 49 advertisers, and unfortunately it seems Christian stations, don't want that older demo, giving Camping a starved market of listeners. So this Redeemer Network is a real blessing.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
If Family Stations can get rid of Camping and those who supported his view, and change the name and start over, I could see that possibility, but short of that, no way.
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Family Stations appears to be a not-for-profit corporation. Such a corporation is run by the board of directors. According to their ownership report, the directors select and elect any new directors, and by inference, the board of directors would be responsible for "removing" a n undesireable directors.

There are four directors. Camping, a retired man, the managing of the printing department and the assistant director of the printing department. Thus two of the directors work in jobs that report to Camping as president of the corporation. As a director, how do you fire you own boss?

Through the years I have looked at a number of churches that seem in live in a swampy pool of questionable behavior and teachings and it is not uncommon to find that one or more directors in such a non-profit corporation turn out to be the brother-in-law or son-in-law of the pastor/president/ceo or whatever the title.

So everyone who thinks the assistant manager of the printing department at Family Stations is going to come to work Monday morning and demand a board meeting so they can fire Mr. Camping, hold up your hand.

I thought so.

Here are the ways Camping can be removed.

1. He dies. Who knows that has been set up for transfer of power in that case.

2. The FCC goes after his license(s) and in another thread I have expressed my view that it is a bad day for all of us when the government starts sifting and sorting what constitutes proper religion. My view is that would be unconstitutional.

3. The contributors all have an epiphany and revelation and "take control" by shutting off the funds, the income. The contributors who haven't already recognized that maybe this is not a worthy ministry are not likely to see this event... or non-event if you please, as a sign of trouble and error.

I guess there could be a fourth scenario: That among the contributors there is one, may two or three who give through very large donations what amounts to half or more of the total income to this organization. Pardon my use of what is a rather crude phrase often used in the business world, but one or more LARGE contributors could orchestrate what we sometimes call a "Come to Jesus Meeting" that could change things.

I am as disgusted with Mr. Camping as anyone, but I am rather amused at participants in the several threads now running on this topic within the forums who give Camping such scathing evaluation while referring to some other Christian Media Personalities as all being white as the driven snow and all in agreement on basic theological concepts. Pardon me while I step outside and barf over that one.

Most media driven Christian ministries have to set up some scape-goat and lead a crusade to remedy to ills of the scape-goat. Sometimes it ain't purty.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
2. The FCC goes after his license(s) and in another thread I have expressed my view that it is a bad day for all of us when the government starts sifting and sorting what constitutes proper religion. My view is that would be unconstitutional.
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I think it's worth at least considering the applicability of 73.1217, the "hoax rule," to this situation. Even the most sincere religious belief isn't (IMHO) protected by the First Amendment when it results in "shouting fire in a crowded theater." I have a very active discussion going on at my FB page about whether or not the hoax rule could (or should) be invoked here. It requires a threefold test: whether the licensee knows that the information being broadcast is false, whether it's foreseeable that the broadcast could result in public harm, and whether it does in fact result in public harm.

My read on the situation is that it's at least arguable that Family Radio, as a licensee, knew the predictions being made by Harold Camping, as an individual, were false; otherwise, why would the automation have been loaded for the whole weekend, and why did they register frequencies for their shortwave outlet, WYFR, through 2012? I think it's absolutely foreseeable that the broadcasts could have resulted in public harm. It's questionable, at best, whether the actual result of the broadcasts rose to the level of "public harm" specified in the rule.

Just as you're troubled by the idea of governmental interference into the content of religious broadcasts, I'm troubled by the idea of any broadcaster being able to use religion as an absolute shield under which to incite panic or violence. I know you like to play devil's advocate, GRC, so let me try one on you: if the Westboro Baptist Church were to hold a broadcast license and were to use its license to preach over the air the sort of anti-everything doctrine that Fred Phelps and his clan preach in person, would that be protected speech as well? What if it were a preacher giving the home address of a doctor who performs abortions, telling listeners that the Bible "absolutely guarantees" that such a doctor should be killed? What if it were a Muslim fundamentalist group preaching the infallibility of Sharia law? Or a radio preacher in Alabama in 1961 stirring up passions against the Freedom Riders? It seems to me that the well-established "shouting fire in a crowded theater" limit to First Amendment rights applies just as much to broadcasting (religious or not) as to any other form of speech.

Even if the "hoax rule" doesn't come into play, it is also possible that the outcome of any civil suits against Camping and Family Radio may lead to questions about whether he as an individual or FR as an organization meet the character qualifications to continue to hold a license, especially with a renewal cycle looming. It would not be the first time that a religious broadcaster has lost licenses on a character issue; just ask the late Bishop Willis.
 
Thanks for the kind words Mr. Mike from Deleware. 

I like the presentation.  And yes I still love the Contemporary songs as well.

This radio network is trying to expand and grow.  They want to set up a station in the WKDN and WFME coverage area, from a recent letter they sent me.  Their ultimate goal is to build radio stations, in those areas, where Family Radio already has a dangerous presence and take a Biblical stand against Mr. Camping and his heresies.

I'm now trying to help them get two known CPs that exist in my area.  These CPs are located in Maplesville and Montgomery.  In the nearby areas of Birmingham and Columbus Georgia, they have Family Radio.  I want to see this outfit get those stations, so that they build them out and help spread the truth of God's Word to those who are being fed by the false and dangerous teachings of Mr. Camping and his Family Radio outfit.

And yes I know that WVLV 106.3 FM in Maplesville won't even cover B-Ham, nor will the new 93.1 FM station in Coosada cover Columbus Georgia but if Redeemer could get these two stations and build them out, then they might be able to set up two repeater stations later on down the road and target B-Ham and Columbus with their sound presentation of the Gospel and help lead people away from Mr. Camping and his dangerous teachings.

And yes I would love for Redeemer to help me get my project up and off the ground too.  No we don't have Family here, thank God but I'm not impressed with AFR or Moody at all.  Their presentations are very bland and dull indeed.

R.D.P. <><
 
After reading GRC's comments I believe that Family Radio's board is nothing but yes men to Camping and won't have the guts to do anything. The best chance is a donor revolt, but who knows if that will actually happen.

I also agree with GRC about the guilt of other so-called "prophecy experts" who make a career trying to predict the end times. To me the people like Lindsey, LaHaye, Hagee, etc. who may not set an exact date, but set time frames and try to read current events into prophecy are just as guilty as Camping, but very few Christians speak out against them.

I'm also thankful Family Radio isn't in my area. Most of the talk about Camping here has been in a skeptical or negative way, and I only talked to one person who actually thought it might happen, but then she was a bit dippy anyway. ::)

I prefer CCM musically, but the lineup of programs for Redeemer Radio sounds good to me. Although I'm the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) now, my beliefs in recent years have begun to lean more toward Reformed doctrine, and less toward the obsession with end times that so much Christian radio has.
 
Look Mr. Camping isn't just in trouble in the USA, Mr Camping also has issues in the Philippines he exploited people in Metro Manila to block a freeway during the evening rush hour over there. remember in 1993 when KYLD 107.7's ManCow (Now Fox News Contributor) got busted by the CHP for Blocking the Bay Bridge during the morning Rush Hour. I think Mr.Camping needs to not only explain himself with US officials but also with Philippine officials over his stunts.
 
I don't know the answer to your question about other locations, but the latest FCC Ownership Report filed by Family Radio lists 165 U.S. stations licensed by the FCC.
 
Believe me or not, I was able to listen to Family Radio this morning.  You heard me right!  A skip was occurring on my truck radio and I was able to listen to WFRC 90.5 FM from Columbus Georgia for about 20 minutes.  Just like their B-Ham station, I once listened to, the music was awesome indeed. Knew the songs they were playing and found myself singing along.  Now when the talking came on, I changed the dial real fast and tuned it to WDJC from Birmingham and heard my old friend Mr. Ronnie Bruce.  Glad he's back on the radio again.  Been missing him.  Hope he's completely healed over his recent heart attack.

R.D.P. <><
 
I didn't look in too much detail but Family Radio's website is back online with no indication whatsoever of anything about Camping's predictions. What there was was probably removed, but there was definitely no acknowledgement that they were wrong.
 
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