FCC: Long Island now west of the Mississippi!

[klutch00]

There's KDKA in Pittsburgh, KYW in Philly, and now KCBE.
There's some W callsigns in New Orleans and St Louis west of the Mississippi.
Maybe the station owners just don't care if the community of license is east or west of that river, so they applied for a K callsign. They should not get a license because of that ignorance

Don't forget KQV 1410, also in Pittsburgh.

 

[neo11]

Aren't most of those callsigns grandfathered from the days when the east-west distinction hadn't been set in stone yet? Don't the KDKA calls, for instance, date to the early 1920's? I don't think it's a matter of station owners having "applied" for "K" callsigns.

 

[Kent]

What do they have working at the FCC these days?? Chimps or Chumps?

It's not unique to the FCC, unfortunately. I remember about 20 years ago when a TV station gave out a test called "Common Knowledge" to both area college students and people in professional positions. It was amazing how many people couldn't tell California from Florida on a map. In my second semester of college roughly 15 years ago, my sociology professor divided the class of 400 into 100 groups of four and had us answer similar common knowledge questions. One of the questions was, "What are two states that border Montana?" Only three groups out of 100 got it right!

If you're curious, yes, mine was one of them. Had I not seen the "Common Knowledge" test when I was in junior high, I would have been surprised that no one in college knew anything about geography. I couldn't have passed 3rd grade, literally, without knowing every state and its capital!

 

[PhilJSmith67]

I have to agree with the post that many stations are using branding / monikers now, with the legal ID buried somewhere around the top of the hour. What real harm would it cause to eliminate the geographical dividing line? Why not also add the other callsign blocks assigned to the United States, allowing stations to use NAAA-NZZZ and AAAA-ALZZ?

 

[N1WVQ]

AAAA-ALZZ & NAAA-NZZZ are assigned to the military. They're ship stations as well as coast stations with 3 letters, just like in the commercial/civil services. NMO is a government coast station as is KSM. NDBX could be a ship as could WEWX. 5-letter K & W calls are for aviation mobile. I don't know what that means. I guess that was before they would just ID airplanes as the make of plane followed by the last 2 numbers & suffix in the tail number.

 

[liradioprez]

According to this, they're call sign is WEGB

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1252650

 

[liradioprez]

Here's what bothers me about this. The Long Island Broadcasters Wireless Inc. submitted an application on 10/23/07 for a NCE FM station on 89.1fm licensed to Riverhead, NY. That application is still pending with no foreseeable sign of being granted ( http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl ) but the religious broadcaster Community Bible Church submits their application for 90.7 on 10/23/2008 and is already granted. Why is there such a difference in the time it takes for the FCC to review these applications? In my eyes, it's only fair to start at the bottom of the pile.

 

[walt79]

According to this, they're call sign is WEGB

Yeah, all references to the previous "K" call letter have been removed. The FCC staff sometimes goofs, but they'll quickly fix the mistake when they catch it quickly like they did here.

Here's what bothers me about this. The Long Island Broadcasters Wireless Inc. submitted an application on 10/23/07 for a NCE FM station on 89.1fm licensed to Riverhead, NY. That application is still pending with no foreseeable sign of being granted ( http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl ) but the religious broadcaster Community Bible Church submits their application for 90.7 on 10/23/2008 and is already granted. Why is there such a difference in the time it takes for the FCC to review these applications? In my eyes, it's only fair to start at the bottom of the pile.

There is no difference in the time it takes the FCC to "review these applications". They have an orderly process for the October 2007 NCE filing window and they're following it. And I might add, they've been surprisingly quick in processing applications from this filing window, unlike in the past.

That said, all the MX groups from this filing window have now been processed UNLESS one of the parties told the FCC they had a potential settlement and to hold off for that. That would appear to be the situation for this applicant in Riverhead. How can you exactly blame the FCC for that holdup?

 

[liradioprez]

There is no difference in the time it takes the FCC to "review these applications". They have an orderly process for the October 2007 NCE filing window and they're following it. And I might add, they've been surprisingly quick in processing applications from this filing window, unlike in the past.

That said, all the MX groups from this filing window have now been processed UNLESS one of the parties told the FCC they had a potential settlement and to hold off for that. That would appear to be the situation for this applicant in Riverhead. How can you exactly blame the FCC for that holdup?

I'm on the board for the Long Island Broadcasters Wireless..check our application. We haven't stated anything about a settlement or to hold off on our application..We considered it with North East Gospel but decided to take our chances. That being said..why is it that the Hamptons Community Broadcasting is still "tendered for filing" along with us (LIBW) and the North East Gospel Broadcasting? Unless North East Gospel told the FCC to hold off because they want to settle with us?? We haven't heard from them..and I don't expect they could affect our application...that wouldn't be fair unless they got confirmation from us first.

And on a side note, if you look at all the applications submitted during the 2007 NCE window, most applicants are still pending. I haven't seen one CP granted from that window. Can you show me one?

 

[walt79]

I'm on the board for the Long Island Broadcasters Wireless..check our application. We haven't stated anything about a settlement or to hold off on our application..We considered it with North East Gospel but decided to take our chances. That being said..why is it that the Hamptons Community Broadcasting is still "tendered for filing" along with us (LIBW) and the North East Gospel Broadcasting? Unless North East Gospel told the FCC to hold off because they want to settle with us?? We haven't heard from them..and I don't expect they could affect our application...that wouldn't be fair unless they got confirmation from us first.

As I hope either your attorney or engineer informed you, your application started getting processed by the FCC on June 18, 2008. MX Group 392. There are 8 in your MX group, with none claiming 1st service. 4 are also claiming no 2nd service (Eastport, Hampton Bays, East Quague, Quague). So, you don't have to worry about any of those, as you're claiming 2nd service. Of the 4 remaining applicants, I notice that Christian Charities Deliverance Church didn't document their 2nd service claim, which invalidates it. That leaves it between the two Riverhead applicants and the other one for Westhampton. I trust your attorney or engineer has figured it beyond that, as I'm neither and don't want to spend the time.

And on a side note, if you look at all the applications submitted during the 2007 NCE window, most applicants are still pending. I haven't seen one CP granted from that window. Can you show me one?

According to the FCC, there were about 3,600 applications filed in that window. Apparently, about 270 of them were approved immediately because they were not in conflict with other applicants. The rest were in conflict, which the FCC calls "mutually exclusive" (MX) with other applicants. On March 7, 2008 the FCC started processing "MX" groups of 4 or fewer parties. June 18, 2008 the FCC started processing "MX" groups of 13 or fewer, which included your application. Then on June 23, 2008 the FCC did a threshold Fair Distribution Analysis of 26 MX applications previously identified. They did that analysis on 32 more groups on June 30, 2008 and 12 more on August 21, 2008. October 9, 2008 they started processing the rest of the MX groups. It's been kind of quiet since then because we just got a new President and they just got a new interim FCC chairman. I have no connection to the FCC, but I appreciate they are trying to do this correctly and relatively quickly.