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FCC: Long Island now west of the Mississippi!

It is a local church group.

They own the 93.3 translator in Southampton which rebroadcasts WCSE-LP 100.1 from Ledyard, CT and their 93.9 translator licensed to Montauk is supposedly relaying WNLN-LP 107.3 from Niantic, CT.

WNLN-LP is simulcasting WCSE-LP as well.
 
There's KDKA in Pittsburgh, KYW in Philly, and now KCBE.
There's some W callsigns in New Orleans and St Louis west of the Mississippi.
Maybe the station owners just don't care if the community of license is east or west of that river, so they applied for a K callsign. They should not get a license because of that ignorance
 
Nick said:
There's KDKA in Pittsburgh, KYW in Philly, and now KCBE.
There's some W callsigns in New Orleans and St Louis west of the Mississippi.
Maybe the station owners just don't care if the community of license is east or west of that river, so they applied for a K callsign. They should not get a license because of that ignorance

Well, in the case of KDKA and KYW, those calls were given back in the 1920s so in effect, they were "grandfather claused" from the FCC mandations with the "W" and "K". Though, if I am not mistaken, aren't there some "W" stations west of the Mississippi? I can think of one right off my head....WBAP (820) in Dallas. I think they may have been grandfather claused as well.
 
Tony Santiago said:
Nick said:
There's KDKA in Pittsburgh, KYW in Philly, and now KCBE.
There's some W callsigns in New Orleans and St Louis west of the Mississippi.
Maybe the station owners just don't care if the community of license is east or west of that river, so they applied for a K callsign. They should not get a license because of that ignorance

Well, in the case of KDKA and KYW, those calls were given back in the 1920s so in effect, they were "grandfather claused" from the FCC mandations with the "W" and "K". Though, if I am not mistaken, aren't there some "W" stations west of the Mississippi? I can think of one right off my head....WBAP (820) in Dallas. I think they may have been grandfather claused as well.

WRR Dallas
WOAI San Antonio
WHO Des Moines
 
Nearly all the K's east of the Mississippi (like KYW and KDKA) and nearly all the W's west of the Mississippi (WBAP, WOW, WFAA, WDAF, WNAX) were grandfathered calls from the 1920s. Very early on, in 1920-22 when the pioneering handful of stations was licensed, there weren't hard and fast geographic rules about callsigns. When the first rules were put in around 1922-23, after several hundred stations had been granted construction permits by the Commerce Department, the K/W dividing line was a couple hundred miles further west beyond the Mississippi River, close to the geographic centerline of the continental United States. It was only later on in the 1920s, as the Federal Radio Commission started its work, that the river became the K/W line, after dozens of nonconforming callsigns had been assigned. No one already licensed was forced to change. There were a few metro areas straddling the river (Minneapolis/St. Paul, St. Louis) that have had a mix of K and W callsigns from the start, while New Orleans and Baton Rouge seem to have nearly all W calls even though they, too, straddle the river.

When you get a K callsign east of the Mississippi now, like this one on Long Island and another one licensed a few years ago in northern Michigan, it's a bureaucratic screw-up. But again, once a callsign gets assigned, if the licensee is OK with it and it doesn't have an insulting or obscene connotation in any language, they can keep it even if it's an error.
 
The Michigan station is KTGG/1540. I think that was issued in 1985. If I had a K call east of the Mississippi, I'd keep it! Anyway, a few years ago there was a station just starting up on 585 in, I think, American Samoa. It was assigned WSJZ.
 
N1WVQ said:
The Michigan station is KTGG/1540. I think that was issued in 1985. If I had a K call east of the Mississippi, I'd keep it! Anyway, a few years ago there was a station just starting up on 585 in, I think, American Samoa. It was assigned WSJZ.

Yup, that 585 starting up is in American Samoa.. KJAL, licensed to Tafuna. it'd be nice if they always operated on 585, I heard they shifted down to 580! Even though stations down there are regulated by the FCC, they are the 9Khz split.

648, moving to 720 khz licensed to Leone is WVUV
 
I detect some getting really worked up about the geographic boundaries of calls. Just what does an almost 100-year old arcane rule mean in today's world where most stations use branding instead of calls?
 
From AllAccess.com

FCC records confirm that the Commission did, indeed, assign a set of call letters beginning with "K" to a station east of the MISSISSIPPI -- well east -- on NOVEMBER 11th, allowing COMMUNITY BIBLE CHURCH's new noncommercial shared-time FM in NAPEAGUE, LONG ISLAND, NY to carry the calls KCBE.

KCBE will be broadcasting from 7p to 10a weekdays and all day SUNDAYS, sharing time and an antenna with HAMPTONS COMMUNITY RADIO's WEER.
 
radiosgreatest1 said:
From AllAccess.com

FCC records confirm that the Commission did, indeed, assign a set of call letters beginning with "K" to a station east of the MISSISSIPPI -- well east -- on NOVEMBER 11th, allowing COMMUNITY BIBLE CHURCH's new noncommercial shared-time FM in NAPEAGUE, LONG ISLAND, NY to carry the calls KCBE.

KCBE will be broadcasting from 7p to 10a weekdays and all day SUNDAYS, sharing time and an antenna with HAMPTONS COMMUNITY RADIO's WEER.

Barbara Barri has been on KZLA Los Angeles along with WLOF and CK 101 WCKS.

http://www.barbarabarri.com/

She's the head of a new Non Commercial Station in, WEER, which is sharing time with KCBE.. using the same antenna and all.
 
http://earlyradiohistory.us/recap.htm will tell you pretty much everything you want to know about how callsigns came to be assigned the way they are.

IIRC the FCC proposed 2-3 years ago to do away with the K/W dividing line. (and routinely allow both K-prefix and W-prefix calls nationwide) They withdrew the proposal after broadcasters objected.

The K call in Michigan is actually in the southern part of the state, near Jackson. Rumor has it the clerk thought the "MI" abbreviation stood for Missouri, not Michigan. Rumor also has it the station had requested WSAE (to match an existing co-owned FM station) and was surprised to find the K call when their license arrived.

There are (many) K calls on Guam and Saipan -- which at 145E one might think should be W territory...
 
w9wi said:
http://earlyradiohistory.us/recap.htm will tell you pretty much everything you want to know about how callsigns came to be assigned the way they are.

IIRC the FCC proposed 2-3 years ago to do away with the K/W dividing line. (and routinely allow both K-prefix and W-prefix calls nationwide) They withdrew the proposal after broadcasters objected.

The K call in Michigan is actually in the southern part of the state, near Jackson. Rumor has it the clerk thought the "MI" abbreviation stood for Missouri, not Michigan. Rumor also has it the station had requested WSAE (to match an existing co-owned FM station) and was surprised to find the K call when their license arrived.

There are (many) K calls on Guam and Saipan -- which at 145E one might think should be W territory...

Spring Arbor University owns WJKN 1510 Jackson, MI and KTGG 1540 Spring Arbor, MI.. both daytimers.

Look at 102.1 FM in Sardis, Mississippi, owned by Flinn Broadcasting.

It's KBUD

Rumour has it, an employee at the FCC thought MS meant Missouri.
 
There is a Collage Station in California by the call letters WPMD 1700
 
larnov said:
There is a Collage Station in California by the call letters WPMD 1700

Thats a TIS station, and the call letters at more likely to be wpmd and three letters, per a typical TIS call.

Plus, I don't thin kTIS stations necessarily follow the W/K split
 
w9wi said:
http://earlyradiohistory.us/recap.htm will tell you pretty much everything you want to know about how callsigns came to be assigned the way they are.

IIRC the FCC proposed 2-3 years ago to do away with the K/W dividing line. (and routinely allow both K-prefix and W-prefix calls nationwide) They withdrew the proposal after broadcasters objected.

The K call in Michigan is actually in the southern part of the state, near Jackson. Rumor has it the clerk thought the "MI" abbreviation stood for Missouri, not Michigan. Rumor also has it the station had requested WSAE (to match an existing co-owned FM station) and was surprised to find the K call when their license arrived.

There are (many) K calls on Guam and Saipan -- which at 145E one might think should be W territory...

If they wanted to match the call letters of the co-owned FM station, I don't understand why they couldn't request them outright, or to request a change once the K-calls were assigned.
 
neo11 said:
If they wanted to match the call letters of the co-owned FM station, I don't understand why they couldn't request them outright, or to request a change once the K-calls were assigned.

They certainly could have requested a call change from KTGG to WSAE. I suspect they just enjoyed the novelty and decided to keep KTGG.

radioguybroadcasting said:
Plus, I don't thin kTIS stations necessarily follow the W/K split

True. Indeed, TIS stations technically aren't broadcasters. (for example, they are not regulated by the Media Bureau, but by the WTB)
 
Bob1370 said:
Nearly all the K's east of the Mississippi (like KYW and KDKA) and nearly all the W's west of the Mississippi (WBAP, WOW, WFAA, WDAF, WNAX) were grandfathered calls from the 1920s. Very early on, in 1920-22 when the pioneering handful of stations was licensed, there weren't hard and fast geographic rules about callsigns. When the first rules were put in around 1922-23, after several hundred stations had been granted construction permits by the Commerce Department, the K/W dividing line was a couple hundred miles further west beyond the Mississippi River, close to the geographic centerline of the continental United States. It was only later on in the 1920s, as the Federal Radio Commission started its work, that the river became the K/W line, after dozens of nonconforming callsigns had been assigned. No one already licensed was forced to change. There were a few metro areas straddling the river (Minneapolis/St. Paul, St. Louis) that have had a mix of K and W callsigns from the start, while New Orleans and Baton Rouge seem to have nearly all W calls even though they, too, straddle the river.

When you get a K callsign east of the Mississippi now, like this one on Long Island and another one licensed a few years ago in northern Michigan, it's a bureaucratic screw-up. But again, once a callsign gets assigned, if the licensee is OK with it and it doesn't have an insulting or obscene connotation in any language, they can keep it even if it's an error.
What do they have working at the FCC these days?? Chimps or Chumps?
 
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