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For Late Night’s Trump Critics, the Escape Routes Are Vanishing

umfan said:
True, but is years of lackluster ratings despite having a very broad and available platform, do extrapolate to that.
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If the ratings were such an issue, why were the president and the FCC so focused on having him fired? CBS receives no taxpayer money. The FCC doesn't regulate networks. There should be no government interest in what a low rated late night tv host says. Why is my taxpayer money being used to silence critics of the government? Shouldn't the president have more important things to do? I would hope so.

It's one thing to complain about taxpayer funding of public broadcasting. But we're talking about private companies and private US citizens. Shouldn't they be allowed to say and do what they want?
 
It evolves. Audiences evolve. Business arrangements evolve. Technology evolves. Today isn't the exact same structure as a decade, or two decades, or six decades ago. And video content distribution a decade from now won't be what it is today. Trying to find this moment on a timeline when something ends, or ended, is a pointless exercise. Change will accelerate, but there's not some moment when everyone's business pivots at once.
 
AbrahamJSimpson said:
It evolves. Audiences evolve. Business arrangements evolve. Technology evolves. Today isn't the exact same structure as a decade, or two decades, or six decades ago. And video content distribution a decade from now won't be what it is today. Trying to find this moment on a timeline when something ends, or ended, is a pointless exercise. Change will accelerate, but there's not some moment when everyone's business pivots at once.
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Eventually broadcast and cable networks will cease to exist. Content will be released directly to the web for people to consume. Live sports and scripted shows will all be delivered the same way. The NFL is already expanding its streaming reach. One more major contract and the networks are out.
 
And that's evolution. We keep holding on to these notions that the method of transmission is the only way to define something and that's not how consumers see things. Whether content comes from ABC or Hulu, CBS or Paramount, et al, matters way more to bean counters than consumers. If it plays on a television, it's television (also on computers, tablets, phones, etc., but let's go with televisions as they exist today for simplicity). The way networks and affiliates have interacted has evolved over decades upon decades, and will continue to. It's not going to be some meteor that hits the ecosystem all at once. It's a process that will be uneven.

The thing about "eventually" is it's a wide open term. We keep trying to put some fixed time on it - 5 years, 10 years, whatever. There's no reliable way to predict that.
 
i think we can see the writing on the wall that we are closer to the end of traditional television than ever before. Will the networks continue as 24/7 feeds or just become content creators where they publish the shows online for people to watch on their own time. Are we nearing the end of “appointment viewing”.

Sure for sports and special events but people don’t need to watch NCIS right as it airs anymore.
 
FreddyE1977 said:
He was a cast member on MTM's short-lived variety show called Mary.

He was likewise featured in the summer replacement series starring the Starland Vocal Band (Afternoon Delight).
And of course he had the disastrous foray into daytime talk at NBC.
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I remember the early talk show.

I watched the Starland Vocal Band series because I liked the song but I don't remember him or even what the show was like.
 
Don CT said:
So when does the whole business model collapse.
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The whole business model is collapsing as we speak. This isn't 1986.

The whole business model never accounted for a device that not only replaces radio/TV But the phonograph, tape recorder, typewriter, camera, movie camera, telephone, game closet, telegram, map, compass, mail service, bank, bus token pocket, encyclopedia, newspaper/magazines, clock, calendar, movie theater, doctor's office, library, classroom, church, casino and gives you access to all sorts of strangers and instant information from around the world to local restaurant, blind date and shopping delivery.

But if the whole business model could, what would the whole business model do?

This is where we've been since 2005
 
Bongwater said:
The whole business model is collapsing as we speak. This isn't 1986.

The whole business model never accounted for a device that not only replaces radio/TV But the phonograph, tape recorder, typewriter, camera, movie camera, telephone, game closet, telegram, map, compass, mail service, bank, bus token pocket, encyclopedia, newspaper/magazines, clock, calendar, movie theater, doctor's office, library, classroom, church, casino and gives you access to all sorts of strangers and instant information from around the world to local restaurant, blind date and shopping delivery.

But if the whole business model could, what would the whole business model do?

This is where we've been since 2005
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People still watch on a big screen just the delivery has changed.
 
Don CT said:
i think we can see the writing on the wall that we are closer to the end of traditional television than ever before.
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Every single day since it began, we’ve been closer to its end than ever. Same as all of us being closer today to our own demise than we were yesterday.

But we seem to be stuck in this “traditional” term and it has little practical meaning. Is today what’s traditional? 1995? 1955? There has been a steady if uneven evolution and that continues. Content distribution is going to continue and people are going to watch it on everything from pocket-sized screens to behemoths in the living room.
Don CT said:
Will the networks continue as 24/7 feeds or just become content creators where they publish the shows online for people to watch on their own time.
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It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. That’s the point - content is going to be distributed and how it gets from point A to point B has long been evolving. The decline of one method of carrying said content is just part of a process that’s been happening for a century(ish).
Don CT said:
Are we nearing the end of “appointment viewing”.
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Ask the Super Bowl numbers. Just because “Must See TV Thursday” isn’t a thing doesn’t mean there isn’t concurrent viewing.
Don CT said:
Sure for sports and special events but people don’t need to watch NCIS right as it airs anymore.
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They haven’t needed to since VCRs (and later technologies) became ubiquitous. And it doesn’t matter. CBS can make money off the later viewers alongside the several hundred thousand who are choosing to veg out on…whatever night it’s on.
 
Don CT said:
People still watch on a big screen just the delivery has changed.
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Exactly this. “Broadcast” is one means of distributing content. Now there’s a plethora. The end result is still a person watching some kind of content they want on a screen, whether it gets that content from an antenna, a wire, WiFi or whatever.

People seem oddly obsessed with a death watch for one piece of an ecosystem that has grown exponentially.
 
AbrahamJSimpson said:
Every single day since it began, we’ve been closer to its end than ever. Same as all of us being closer today to our own demise than we were yesterday.

But we seem to be stuck in this “traditional” term and it has little practical meaning. Is today what’s traditional? 1995? 1955? There has been a steady if uneven evolution and that continues. Content distribution is going to continue and people are going to watch it on everything from pocket-sized screens to behemoths in the living room.

It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. That’s the point - content is going to be distributed and how it gets from point A to point B has long been evolving. The decline of one method of carrying said content is just part of a process that’s been happening for a century(ish).

Ask the Super Bowl numbers. Just because “Must See TV Thursday” isn’t a thing doesn’t mean there isn’t concurrent viewing.

They haven’t needed to since VCRs (and later technologies) became ubiquitous. And it doesn’t matter. CBS can make money off the later viewers alongside the several hundred thousand who are choosing to veg out on…whatever night it’s on.
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Don’t forget that networks get a lot of money from carriage agreements with cable companies. When the majority finally cut the cord they lose that revenue source.
 
And many have moved to YouTube TV and similar internet based alternatives. Who pay fees. It’s not as simple as “drop traditional video and the money totally disappears.” It’s more shades of gray.
 
AbrahamJSimpson said:
And many have moved to YouTube TV and similar internet based alternatives. Who pay fees. It’s not as simple as “drop traditional video and the money totally disappears.” It’s more shades of gray.
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I moved to YTTV because it’s vastly cheaper than cable. Yes there are still carrage fees but not nearly the bloat of Comcast.
 
Don CT said:
The issue is you need to buy the highest package to get what you want. I don’t want most of what’s in the highest package.
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Nobody ever did. Making customers purchase packages for access to individual channels is like grocery stores making shoppers buy the whole isle to get a can of soup. Or Exxon turning away pedestrians with gas cans because you have to buy a whole tank.

How our anti-trust laws could never stop decades of that crap beats me. But it's sure making watching the linear pay TV biz burn down a lot more fun.

As their cable and satellite carriage fees continue to evaporate, does anybody think terrestrial stations will initiate legal maneuvers to make platforms like Youtube TV carry them?
 
Don CT said:
Don’t forget that networks get a lot of money from carriage agreements with cable companies. When the majority finally cut the cord they lose that revenue source.
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Your local broadcast TV stations get considerable money from local cable carriage fees. In my market, I've been told by corporate management of each operator that over half their revenues come from those fees. Their greatest fears are that, as folks cut cable, they will not have enough revenue to support their local news departments.

In that market, Palm Springs, CA, the local paper has gone from superior to dreadful in two decades. It is not even printed in the same state! But the two TV operators do lots of in depth and investigative reporting that is very well done, well produced and anything but superficial.
 


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