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Fox News Radio Launches John Gibson Show in October

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Reported on R&R Online, AllAccess and other trade sites:

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2005_09_15/foxnews.asp>http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2005_09_15/foxnews.asp</a>

Fox News Channel's John Gibson will start a weekday 6-9 PM (ET) radio show sometime in the next month or so.

Oddly enough, it's only FNR's second conservative talk show, after Tony Snow... the network airs "Hannity and Colmes" liberal Alan Colmes late nights.

Snow hasn't gotten a lot of traction in his slot - 9-noon ET. As for Gibson, this might be different...Fox could be aiming to sell his show to stations looking for something a little less offbeat and more newsy than the current champion in that timeslot, TRN's Michael Savage. And remember, Fox now has a pretty cozy relationship with Clear Channel...Premiere has no issues talk show in that slot, and many CC talkers carry Savage.

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I'll restrict myself from a long commentary, but I think we'd all be better off if Fox quit putting out shows.

Odds on The Andrew Napolitano Show?
 
> Snow hasn't gotten a lot of traction in his slot - 9-noon
> ET. As for Gibson, this might be different...Fox could be
> aiming to sell his show to stations looking for something a
> little less offbeat and more newsy than the current champion
> in that timeslot, TRN's Michael Savage.

What? John Gibson is about as news-oriented as Radio Pyongyang. He is one of those special type of commentator w*ores whose positions change based on who signs his paycheck. His views were far more "normal" when he and his crazy hair was on MSNBC. Since going to Fox, he's been getting nuttier and nuttier, even to the point of advocating that terrorists should attack Paris, not London, just so we could get back at the French.

He's a loon no better than the vitamin peddler with the fake "Savage" name. Rent-a-career.
 
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> What? John Gibson is about as news-oriented as Radio
> Pyongyang. He is one of those special type of commentator
> w*ores whose positions change based on who signs his
> paycheck.

My first comment would probably go down easier if you realize I meant news in same way his employer does.

And as such, he's a compatible choice for stations looking for a similar (conservative) viewpoint, but without Savage's tendency to go off the deep end.

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Why This One Is Different

> I'll restrict myself from a long commentary, but I think
> we'd all be better off if Fox quit putting out shows.
>
> Odds on The Andrew Napolitano Show?

That's the frequent fill-in for O'Reilly, right?

I'll say a few things here:

* There's no guarantee Gibson can front a 3-hour show of his own (I think he fills in for O'Reilly on the radio, tho). Tony Snow got a name in talk radio because he was once one of Rush's regular subs, but frankly, his voice makes me run away from the radio...and it did when he was doing the Rush thing. I run, because I don't want to sleep.

* This case MAY be different for a couple of reasons. One, the time slot - 6-9 PM ET. The only major nationally syndicated competition in that slot is Savage. (Sorry, ABC, Larry Elder doesn't really count, assuming he's still syndicated out of KABC.) The second reason - Clear Channel's new cozy relationship with Fox News Radio.

If Savage isn't doing it for a CC talk station, they now have a new choice that's hooked "into" the Fox News brand, which is increasingly hooked into CC itself. That's compared to Tony Snow's 9-noon slot, which is generally filled by Premiere's Glenn Beck on CC stations (give or take a WTAM or two), and there are other syndie talents that are far better than Snow (i.e. Laura Ingraham) in that crowded slot.

Now, all of this gets torpedoed if Gibson stinks on the radio. I haven't really heard him filling in for O'Reilly, so I don't know how well he does.

But at very least, it may give CC stations a bargaining chip with TRN over Savage.

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> I'll restrict myself from a long commentary, but I think
> we'd all be better off if Fox quit putting out shows.
>
> Odds on The Andrew Napolitano Show?
>

I'd prefer the Jane Skinner Show, but only on cable TV--and probably only on those "special" channels with high numbers and extra charges (because it's so good). :)
 
Re: Why This One Is Different

> > I'll restrict myself from a long commentary, but I think
> > we'd all be better off if Fox quit putting out shows.
> >
> > Odds on The Andrew Napolitano Show?
>
> That's the frequent fill-in for O'Reilly, right?
>
> I'll say a few things here:
>
> * There's no guarantee Gibson can front a 3-hour show of his
> own (I think he fills in for O'Reilly on the radio, tho).
> Tony Snow got a name in talk radio because he was once one
> of Rush's regular subs, but frankly, his voice makes me run
> away from the radio...and it did when he was doing the Rush
> thing. I run, because I don't want to sleep.
>
> * This case MAY be different for a couple of reasons. One,
> the time slot - 6-9 PM ET. The only major nationally
> syndicated competition in that slot is Savage. (Sorry, ABC,
> Larry Elder doesn't really count, assuming he's still
> syndicated out of KABC.) The second reason - Clear
> Channel's new cozy relationship with Fox News Radio.
>
> If Savage isn't doing it for a CC talk station, they now
> have a new choice that's hooked "into" the Fox News brand,
> which is increasingly hooked into CC itself. That's
> compared to Tony Snow's 9-noon slot, which is generally
> filled by Premiere's Glenn Beck on CC stations (give or take
> a WTAM or two), and there are other syndie talents that are
> far better than Snow (i.e. Laura Ingraham) in that crowded
> slot.
>
> Now, all of this gets torpedoed if Gibson stinks on the
> radio. I haven't really heard him filling in for O'Reilly,
> so I don't know how well he does.
>
> But at very least, it may give CC stations a bargaining chip
> with TRN over Savage.
>
> -OA
>


I've heard him as O'Reilly's sub . . . Bland city. He may surprise me with his own show (heck, I didn't expect Colmes to be good on radio either until I heard him), but more than likely it'll be generic talking-points radio for stations who find Savage too over-the-top.
 
Re: Why This One Is Different

> * This case MAY be different for a couple of reasons. One,
> the time slot - 6-9 PM ET. The only major nationally
> syndicated competition in that slot is Savage. (Sorry, ABC,
> Larry Elder doesn't really count, assuming he's still
> syndicated out of KABC.) The second reason - Clear
> Channel's new cozy relationship with Fox News Radio.
>
> If Savage isn't doing it for a CC talk station, they now
> have a new choice that's hooked "into" the Fox News brand,
> which is increasingly hooked into CC itself. That's
> compared to Tony Snow's 9-noon slot, which is generally
> filled by Premiere's Glenn Beck on CC stations (give or take
> a WTAM or two), and there are other syndie talents that are
> far better than Snow (i.e. Laura Ingraham) in that crowded
> slot.

For the stations clearing Snow, O'Reilly, and Hannity, he'll fit right in, although with less fanfare. Savage appears to be doing well, so I don't see a reason to replace him... as to going over the top, isn't that what makes good radio?

Fox hasn't gotten as far with Snow as they should have, although he does have more decent affils than one would expect. And as to the live issue, while I think live talk is best, and makes sense for heritage/"Newsradio" branded stations, the average talk station is content to throw up the best show, whether it's live or not. Witness in-the-news WTKK, which runs Ingraham 7-10pm and Hannity 10p-1am. They could have run Lars Larson and Phil Hendrie live, but felt having better shows on TD made more sense... 'RKO might not spring for that, but that works perfectly.

I hate to constantly beat on the drum here because there are good syndie shows out there, but constantly flooding the market solves no problem. Just ask Radio America how their 24/7 lineup is doing? Liddy & Hill, Jay Severin, John Gibson... too much. Severin is indeed talented, but there's too much competition. Has anyone even considered regional syndication, or do we think that putting the same national crap we can get on XM or Sirius will save OTA radio?
 
Re: Why This One Is Different

> For the stations clearing Snow, O'Reilly, and Hannity, he'll
> fit right in, although with less fanfare. Savage appears to
> be doing well, so I don't see a reason to replace him... as
> to going over the top, isn't that what makes good radio?

Savage makes some stations uncomfortable, and there's always the worry that he'll just blow up on the air one night and start unleashing F bombs or something. The man's on-air persona, at least, is not stable. More likely, he'll get tired of everything one day and move to an island somewhere.

> Witness in-the-news
> WTKK, which runs Ingraham 7-10pm and Hannity 10p-1am. They
> could have run Lars Larson and Phil Hendrie live, but felt
> having better shows on TD made more sense... 'RKO might not
> spring for that, but that works perfectly.

You're right, and this may be the second biggest hurdle for Fox News Radio and Gibson, or maybe the third if the guy is not a breakout talent :)

CC and other stations that don't run Hannity in drive (Eastern) often delay him into evenings. For them, putting a local show in PMD and delaying Hannity into early evenings may be a much better solution than picking up this show. Again, I say this not having heard Gibson even doing O'Reilly fill-in.

The X Factor here is what I keep bringing up. Clear Channel and Fox are in bed more than ever. Most of the CC major market news/talkers have already made the switch for news product in the long-term CC/Fox deal. What's to say that won't help Gibson at least to some degree, assuming he doesn't suck wind on the air? I don't see a massive affiliate switch here from Savage's stations...just "an option" for some nervous stations the next time Savage goes off the deep end (i.e. his MSNBC exit).

As far as the glut of these shows...most of 'em will go away or fade into obscurity. The syndicated launch is really a dice throwing effort, the hosts hoping to become the next Hannity, Savage or even Laura Ingraham.

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More Gibson, and Regional Syndication

> I've heard him as O'Reilly's sub . . . Bland city. He may
> surprise me with his own show (heck, I didn't expect Colmes
> to be good on radio either until I heard him), but more than
> likely it'll be generic talking-points radio for stations
> who find Savage too over-the-top.

And that's basically my point...it'll be option B or C for stations who get nervous when Savage starts acting up. Fox will probably sell it as more of a "news" show (again, see above for definition in Fox's eyes), and a jump out of afternoon drive news blocks...extending the "Fox News" brand in its affiliated stations.

That having been said, the other points made on this thread still apply. There's not a lot of room for him right now (let alone someone like Jay Severin!). And if he's not interesting, why bother? Colmes, by the way, is a radio talk host first...he has experience in the field in NYC, before his Fox News gig.

Someone on this thread asked why regional talk radio syndication wasn't bigger than it is. Well, here in Ohio, consider:

* Cleveland doesn't care about Columbus, and Columbus barely pays attention to Cleveland. WTAM's Mike Trivisonno would bomb badly if aired in Columbus (to put it mildly), and WTVN's local hosts would not gain any traction up here.

* Both cities believe Cincinnati is basically in Northern Kentucky.

* Both WTVN and WLW's local hosts are TRULY local. Maybe WTVN late nighter Steve "Boom Boom" Cannon could pull it off, with a more entertainment oriented show. (Cannon, of course, did middays at WHLO/Akron in the mid-70's.)

* All of the above areas hate Pittsburgh, though some of that is sports related. There is one regional syndication attempt - WPGB/Pittsburgh's Jim Quinn into Akron (WHLO) and Wheeling, WV (WWVA), among other cities. The jury's still out.

Lots of hurdles, there...

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Re: Why This One Is Different

> * There's no guarantee Gibson can front a 3-hour show of his
> own (I think he fills in for O'Reilly on the radio, tho).
> Tony Snow got a name in talk radio because he was once one
> of Rush's regular subs, but frankly, his voice makes me run
> away from the radio...and it did when he was doing the Rush
> thing. I run, because I don't want to sleep.
>

Good points. FOX TV execs think they can make radio hits out of cable personalities. It ain't working.

It's TV suits running things who don't know radio. They hired a radio guy to run the div., think they'll listen to him? Hell, no.



> * This case MAY be different for a couple of reasons. One,
> the time slot - 6-9 PM ET. The only major nationally
> syndicated competition in that slot is Savage. (Sorry, ABC,
> Larry Elder doesn't really count, assuming he's still
> syndicated out of KABC.) The second reason - Clear
> Channel's new cozy relationship with Fox News Radio.
>

Premiere develops its own shows, no need for FOX telling it what to program.


> If Savage isn't doing it for a CC talk station, they now
> have a new choice that's hooked "into" the Fox News brand,
> which is increasingly hooked into CC itself. That's
> compared to Tony Snow's 9-noon slot, which is generally
> filled by Premiere's Glenn Beck on CC stations (give or take
> a WTAM or two), and there are other syndie talents that are
> far better than Snow (i.e. Laura Ingraham) in that crowded
> slot.
>
> Now, all of this gets torpedoed if Gibson stinks on the
> radio. I haven't really heard him filling in for O'Reilly,
> so I don't know how well he does.
>
> But at very least, it may give CC stations a bargaining chip
> with TRN over Savage.
>
> -OA
>

Savage has really faded in some places, got too nutty, not as important as he was.
 
Re: Why This One Is Different

> The X Factor here is what I keep bringing up. Clear Channel
> and Fox are in bed more than ever. Most of the CC major
> market news/talkers have already made the switch for news
> product in the long-term CC/Fox deal. What's to say that
> won't help Gibson at least to some degree, assuming he
> doesn't suck wind on the air? I don't see a massive
> affiliate switch here from Savage's stations...just "an
> option" for some nervous stations the next time Savage goes
> off the deep end (i.e. his MSNBC exit).

The X Factor makes sense, but with a bevy of CC stations running local talk or other midday shows instead of Premiere's Glenn Beck, I wonder. Premiere, after all, doesn't just have a tight relationship with CC, it IS part of CC. The one syndicated show I don't see taking up much midday time on CC talkers is Tony Snow.

As to Savage's rants, you have a point, although I would see his MSNBC exit as more a thing of political correctness that some stations would relish having. BTW, he did use an "S" bomb the other day, which of course was cut out, quickly more-or-less apologized, and moved on.
 
Re: More Gibson, and Regional Syndication

> > I've heard him as O'Reilly's sub . . . Bland city. He may
>
> > surprise me with his own show (heck, I didn't expect
> Colmes
> > to be good on radio either until I heard him), but more
> than
> > likely it'll be generic talking-points radio for stations
> > who find Savage too over-the-top.
>
> And that's basically my point...it'll be option B or C for
> stations who get nervous when Savage starts acting up. Fox
> will probably sell it as more of a "news" show (again, see
> above for definition in Fox's eyes), and a jump out of
> afternoon drive news blocks...extending the "Fox News" brand
> in its affiliated stations.
>
> That having been said, the other points made on this thread
> still apply. There's not a lot of room for him right now
> (let alone someone like Jay Severin!). And if he's not
> interesting, why bother? Colmes, by the way, is a radio
> talk host first...he has experience in the field in NYC,
> before his Fox News gig.
>
> Someone on this thread asked why regional talk radio
> syndication wasn't bigger than it is. Well, here in Ohio,
> consider:
>
> * Cleveland doesn't care about Columbus, and Columbus barely
> pays attention to Cleveland. WTAM's Mike Trivisonno would
> bomb badly if aired in Columbus (to put it mildly), and
> WTVN's local hosts would not gain any traction up here.
>
> * Both cities believe Cincinnati is basically in Northern
> Kentucky.
>
> * Both WTVN and WLW's local hosts are TRULY local. Maybe
> WTVN late nighter Steve "Boom Boom" Cannon could pull it
> off, with a more entertainment oriented show. (Cannon, of
> course, did middays at WHLO/Akron in the mid-70's.)
>
> * All of the above areas hate Pittsburgh, though some of
> that is sports related. There is one regional syndication
> attempt - WPGB/Pittsburgh's Jim Quinn into Akron (WHLO) and
> Wheeling, WV (WWVA), among other cities. The jury's still
> out.
>
> Lots of hurdles, there...
>
> -OA
>

I don't see how regional syndication of political talk would really work. If the host is always talking about national issues, it'd make more sense to carry a known national host, at least outside the city of origination. If he does talk about local issues, no one in one city cares (and in some cases, may have an active distaste for) about the local issues of some other city 100+ miles away.

You could have someone talking about statewide issues, but it would only work in states that are large enough in terms of population, geography, and politics to need such a network: CA, NY, GA, FL, TX . . .
 
Re: Why This One Is Different

> Savage makes some stations uncomfortable, and there's always
> the worry that he'll just blow up on the air one night and
> start unleashing F bombs or something. The man's on-air
> persona, at least, is not stable. More likely, he'll get
> tired of everything one day and move to an island somewhere.

No... when his numbers fade, he'll move on to the next big thing. Have people forgotten he's a vitamin peddler who overnight reinvented himself as a talkshow host tailor-made for the Hot Talk format? There is absolutely nothing authentic about the guy - it is completely a persona invented to make money. That's it folks.

> The X Factor here is what I keep bringing up. Clear Channel
> and Fox are in bed more than ever. Most of the CC major
> market news/talkers have already made the switch for news
> product in the long-term CC/Fox deal.

I notice our local station in Rochester who has Faux News almost never seems to use any of their reports - it's still all CBS News.

When big stories break, viewers and listeners can still sense that Fox does fine with blowdried in-studio commentators who take apart other people's news reports, but Fox does very little original reporting themselves. On sheer news quality alone, Fox would never be the first choice for any real news person.
 
Gibson, Snow vs. Hannity and Savage

> Good points. FOX TV execs think they can make radio hits out
> of cable personalities. It ain't working.

Definitely, for the most part. O'Reilly is actually the best out of the bunch as a radio host (aside from the liberal Colmes), and that isn't saying much. And much of even HIS clearance (mostly on non-Rush talkers) is due to his big name on TV.

Oddly enough, Tony Snow DOES have radio experience...as mentioned, he was in Rush's regular fill-in rotation, along with names like Michael Medved, some years ago. That doesn't make him an interesting host, though, and his primary employment until Fox News was as a newspaper columnist.

> It's TV suits running things who don't know radio. They
> hired a radio guy to run the div., think they'll listen to
> him? Hell, no.

See, Fox's radio side did the right thing by giving Alan Colmes a show...because he's an experienced RADIO host. It's what he did long before he started with Hannity on the tube.

On the right side of the ledger, their most talented TV guy who's a radio host is Sean Hannity, and his radio syndication is via ABC, not them. For that matter, even O'Reilly's radio side is via WW1. At some point, Fox looked at that, and said "hey, our guys are doing well on the radio, we need some of OUR guys under OUR umbrella"!

Unfortunately for them, Tony Snow (despite his Rush fill-ins) and John Gibson aren't Sean Hannity.

> Premiere develops its own shows, no need for FOX telling it
> what to program.

No, this isn't Fox telling it what to program. It's Fox offering them an OPTION for a time slot where Premiere does not offer any issues-oriented host. (Premiere, of course, does offer comedy talker Phil Hendrie in the 7-10 PM ET slot.) Again, though, as mentioned...if Gibson stinks, that doesn't mean CC stations still go for him.

> Savage has really faded in some places, got too nutty, not
> as important as he was.

Savage is running mostly on his reputation at this point.

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Tony Snow, Rush Fill-Ins, and Savage

> The X Factor makes sense, but with a bevy of CC stations
> running local talk or other midday shows instead of
> Premiere's Glenn Beck, I wonder. Premiere, after all,
> doesn't just have a tight relationship with CC, it IS part
> of CC. The one syndicated show I don't see taking up much
> midday time on CC talkers is Tony Snow.

And that's very simple, aside from the fact Tony just is not all that listenable. The only reason he's there is because he was a Rush fill-in a few years ago.

And that's an interesting case study in and of itself. Rush is very careful about his fill-ins. You might recall that Sean Hannity was a fill-in until he got his own national show. I get the idea Rush does not want his fill-ins to be potential national hosts on their own.

Today, the Rush fill-in rotation is basically, in this order, Roger Hedgecock (KOGO/San Diego), Tom Sullivan (KFBK/Sacramento) and a third group including folks like WISN/Milwaukee's Mark Belling. All serviceable local hosts. They do very well in their local markets. But none of them are the next Sean Hannity. (And all of 'em, by the way, work for Clear Channel.)

Anyway, the other big problem for Tony getting a foothold on CC stations is the presence of Beck. If a CC talker isn't local 9-noon, they'll likely go with Beck. If they dump Beck, it's almost always for local...aside from the curious Springer experiment.

The difference HERE is that CC programs no issues talker in the 6-9 PM ET slot.

> As to Savage's rants, you have a point, although I would see
> his MSNBC exit as more a thing of political correctness that
> some stations would relish having. BTW, he did use an "S"
> bomb the other day, which of course was cut out, quickly
> more-or-less apologized, and moved on.

The MSNBC thing really made some local PDs nervous about Savage, and every one of them got heat locally about it. My most recent former employer was a Savage affiliate, and they were bombarded with questions about if they were going to keep the show.

Of course, most of the "pressure" came from groups that don't like Savage or conservative talk radio anyway, so it didn't amount to anything in the end. It probably won't, unless advertisers are involved.

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Re: More Gibson, and Regional Syndication

If there was regional syndication the hosts would end up only being able to talk national issues anyway...except maybe weekends when the Bengals play the Browns. Mike McConnell on WLW has resisted full-time syndication because with his local show, he can talk about "the city idiots, the county idiots, the state idiots and the national idiots". The weekend national show is fine for him. Dayton's WONE/WIZE combo largely simulcasts Cincinnati's "Homer" and can't crack a one share. Several days of "all Bob Huggins, all the time" (the deposed University of Cinncinati coach)certainly wasn't much more of interest to Dayton than it would have been to Cleveland.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: More Gibson, and Regional Syndication

> If there was regional syndication the hosts would end up
> only being able to talk national issues anyway...except
> maybe weekends when the Bengals play the Browns. Mike
> McConnell on WLW has resisted full-time syndication because
> with his local show, he can talk about "the city idiots, the
> county idiots, the state idiots and the national idiots".
> The weekend national show is fine for him. Dayton's
> WONE/WIZE combo largely simulcasts Cincinnati's "Homer" and
> can't crack a one share. Several days of "all Bob Huggins,
> all the time" (the deposed University of Cinncinati
> coach)certainly wasn't much more of interest to Dayton than
> it would have been to Cleveland.

Perhaps, but for example, Moon Griffon in Louisiana had a decent sized network of every city large and small except NOLA. Coming on before Rush (9-11 CT) and billed as "The Rush of the Bayou" or something like that.
 
Re: More Gibson, and Regional Syndication

> Perhaps, but for example, Moon Griffon in Louisiana had a
> decent sized network of every city large and small except
> NOLA. Coming on before Rush (9-11 CT) and billed as "The
> Rush of the Bayou" or something like that.

But back here to Ohio for a second - Ohio's like 4 different states in one.

You've got Northeast (Cleveland, etc.), Central (Columbus), Southwest (Cincy/Dayton) and then everywhere else (Toledo, Lima, etc.).

No one in this region pays attention to what happens in Columbus, unless state government gets really, really bad. And even then, it's not very much.

The stuff down in Cincinnati that WLW hosts talk about - may as well be happening on Jupiter to a Northeast Ohioan.

The foibles of Cleveland mayor Jane Campbell? Heck, even those of us down here in Akron don't really care, let alone the rest of the state.

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