FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

[OhReally?]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Yes I was exaggerating by comparing the NASCAR race to a minor league game, but it still would have been nice if Fox could have done a split screen to show both (prob. not feasible legally though).

What would be nice is if people like you, who don't know what you're talking about, would just not comment since you're making uneducated comments, which only make you look more foolish. :

 

[OhReally?]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Hmmmm, greatest rivalry in baseball versus staring at a bunch of cars going 'round and 'round and 'round.......

I'd love to see the raw numbers on how many millions of viewers flipped the channel in New York and Boston (alone). Let's see, trade viewers in top 10 markets for that all-important audience in Tuscaloosa, AL and Valdosta, GA. Yeah, they're the same thing as a big market.

Nice move Fox. :

Nice comment, BRN. :

Of course, that's sarcasm. You're another one, just like raccoonradio. You don't even have the numbers, yet your making another uneducated comment. Do people like you even know what CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS are?

Geezus people.

 

[MarcB]

Yankees-Redsox is a Big Rivalry

Not to hi-jack this thread, but the rivalry between the Yankees and Redsox is among the biggest in the country.

Unless you've been living under a rock since The Summer of 2006 you know that The Yankees are building a new stadium. Well last week it was discovered that one of the contractors working on the new stadium was a Redsox fan and he buried a David Ortiz jersey in the ground and poured concrete over it in order to place a 30 year curse on the Yankees.

Meanwhile yesterday they found the jersey and dug it up so there will be no curse. There are reporters the team will be pressing charges against the contractor.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04142008/news/regionalnews/a_yankee_hexcavation_106446.htm

 

[BRNout]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Hmmmm, greatest rivalry in baseball versus staring at a bunch of cars going 'round and 'round and 'round.......

I'd love to see the raw numbers on how many millions of viewers flipped the channel in New York and Boston (alone). Let's see, trade viewers in top 10 markets for that all-important audience in Tuscaloosa, AL and Valdosta, GA. Yeah, they're the same thing as a big market.

Nice move Fox. :

Nice comment, BRN. :

Of course, that's sarcasm. You're another one, just like raccoonradio. You don't even have the numbers, yet your making another uneducated comment. Do people like you even know what CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS are?

Geezus people.

Contractual obligations aside, they might as well have bumped the Yankees-Red Sox game for a figure skating competition. A boneheaded move. If any sport should be toughing it out down on FX, it's NASCAR.

By the way, isn't this what the Speed channel should be for?

 

[ynot2k]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Contractual obligations aside, they might as well have bumped the Yankees-Red Sox game for a figure skating competition. A boneheaded move. If any sport should be toughing it out down on FX, it's NASCAR.

By the way, isn't this what the Speed channel should be for?

First, Fox CAN'T put the contractual obligations aside...not unless they're ready to pull out the checkbook.

Second, read the rest of the thread... NASCAR shouldn't have to "tough it out" on another network when the ratings show that its' numbers beat baseball.

You may not like NASCAR, but the RATINGS, which this business is all about, show that more people are tuning in for the race than for baseball. And when you add that to the fact that Fox is CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED to show the ENTIRE race, the decision is easy.

And, if you wanted to catch baseball so bad, to quote your anti-NASCAR snobbery, isn't that what the Extra Innings package is for?

 

[TheRover]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

IF NASCAR fans are so rabid and loyal.... why not stick it to them... and have NASCAR races ONLY on Pay-Per-View....

Works for Wrestlin' . . . . ;D

 

[raccoonradio]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Fox has apologized
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/13/sports/BBA-Yankees-Red-Sox-TV-Flap.php

>>The green flag was originally scheduled for 8:45 p.m. EDT. But with the baseball game scheduled to resume at 8:25, NASCAR agreed to push the start back to 8:53...
At 8:55, Fox switched to the race in the middle of Cano's at-bat.

 

[ynot2k]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

IF NASCAR fans are so rabid and loyal.... why not stick it to them... and have NASCAR races ONLY on Pay-Per-View....

Works for Wrestlin' . . . . ;D

Again the "NASCAR fans=rednecks" argument... folks, if someone has the ratings that show the demographics for those who tune into NASCAR are SOLELY low to middle class southern rednecks, please show them to me. I know a large number of educated, economically well-off people NOT from the South who are fans and tune in regularly.


And, like I did in my previous post, I'll turn your argument around on you... "If Yankees-Red Sox fans or baseball fans are so rabid and loyal, why not stick it to THEM, and have the game ONLY on Pay-Per-View..."

Oh, I know, because baseball games GET RATINGS! (although not as high as NASCAR's!)

 

[DToTheJ]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Fox has apologized
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/13/sports/BBA-Yankees-Red-Sox-TV-Flap.php

>>The green flag was originally scheduled for 8:45 p.m. EDT. But with the baseball game scheduled to resume at 8:25, NASCAR agreed to push the start back to 8:53...
At 8:55, Fox switched to the race in the middle of Cano's at-bat.

Phil Mushnick had a funny line in today's New York Post:

By the way, Saturday night on Fox Robinson Cano jumped past Jeff Burton and Kurt Busch for sole possession of sixth place on the NASCAR points list. . .

 

[raccoonradio]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

There's still a big diff. between missing the start of an
event and the end. Imagine:

"And they're coming up to the chequered flag
--the winner of this important race...is..."

SWITCH!
"We interrupt the end of this NASCAR race so we may go to the first inning
of today's game between the Tampa Bay Rays and the Texas Rangers."

 

[BRNout]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

There's still a big diff. between missing the start of an
event and the end. Imagine:

"And they're coming up to the chequered flag
--the winner of this important race...is..."

SWITCH!
"We interrupt the end of this NASCAR race so we may go to the first inning
of today's game between the Tampa Bay Rays and the Texas Rangers."

And the Rays-Rangers doesn't even come close to comparing with the Yankees-Red Sox! I agree with the poster who compared NASCAR with "Wrestlin'" - basically superserving the same little demo. Pay per view is a great option! The fans of car wrecks can pay and the rest of us can not care.

Nice comment, BRN. :

Of course, that's sarcasm. You're another one, just like raccoonradio.

By the way, being compared with raccoon is an honor!

 

[Newname]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

If NASCAR delayed the start from 5:45 to 5:55(local time)...what would have been so wrong with 6 on the dot?

 

[Smittian]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

The game should have never been resumed on FOX when they came out of the rain delay. It should have gone straight to FX and kept NASCAR on FOX. Baseball fans get to see their game w/o interruption. Race fans get to see the pre-race ceremonies and start in it's entirety. Everyone ends up happy.

For the NASCAR-haters........... sorry, but the numbers don't lie............
2007 World Series--- 17.2 million(4 game avg.) tuned in on FOX
2008 Daytona 500---33.6 million watched on FOX

 

[TheRover]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

There's still a big diff. between missing the start of an
event and the end. Imagine:

"And they're coming up to the chequered flag
--the winner of this important race...is..."

SWITCH!
"We interrupt the end of this NASCAR race so we may go to the first inning
of today's game between the Tampa Bay Rays and the Texas Rangers."

Good Article from the Boston Globe:

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/04/14/game_ended_with_a_curveball/

"Given the weather forecast for Saturday, the Red Sox had, in fact, been in discussions earlier in the week about possible rain delay scenarios. With the forecast improving as the week went on, the Red Sox received assurances from Fox, through MLB, they would stay with the game until 9 p.m. before switching to FX."



The New York Daily News reader Comments about the switch:

http://www.nydailynews.com/forums/thread.jspa?threadID=17383

Sample Blog:

"Bell said Buck gave the last warning at 8:53 p.m." That's a bald-faced lie and they know it. I checked my DVR. And there was NO VISUAL WARNING AT ALL. I was watching in a bar, and we were clueless as to what happened. Of course, why is this a surprise? This is the same network that still employs Tim McCarver.

Posted by evidiot on Apr 13, 2008 12:29 PM

 

[ynot2k]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Hmmm... pretty decent numbers for NASCAR Saturday night.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/04/13/nielsen-ratings-april-5-fox-wins-with-nascar/3313

Guess that "little demo" turned out in force.
Oh...let me guess...most of those numbers were courtesy of the last inning of the baseball game, right? :

And the Rays-Rangers doesn't even come close to comparing with the Yankees-Red Sox! I agree with the poster who compared NASCAR with "Wrestlin'" - basically superserving the same little demo. Pay per view is a great option! The fans of car wrecks can pay and the rest of us can not care.

Again, look at the numbers. More people tune into NASCAR than major league baseball. Hell, the Daytona 500 this year pulled down better numbers than 2007's Final Four, Masters' final round, and Kentucky Derby AND it even beat the average Sunday Night Football broadcast on NBC.
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/02/19/daytona.500.ratings/index.html

And look at the last paragraph of that release--contrary to the continuing "NASCAR fans are pro-wrestling-loving, southern redneck goobers" crap I continue hearing here, NASCAR is NOT just a regional sport:

Many of the biggest growth markets came from outside NASCAR's traditional southeast footprint, posting year-to-year increases in Chicago (+25 percent 7.1 vs. 5.7), Detroit (+25 percent 10.9 vs. 8.7), Denver (+51 percent 10.1 vs. 6.7), Portland (+37 percent 8.2 vs. 6.0), Cincinnati (+30 percent 14.6 vs. 11.2), and Oklahoma City (+55 percent 10.7 vs. 6.9).

So racing doesn't appeal to you... TOUGH.
You know, I don't like American Idol... I don't like CSI... I don't like Dancing with the Stars... but I understand that a large number of people do and THAT'S what advertisters and networks are looking for. I don't insult the viewers' taste, and I don't say, "I don't like it, let them pay to watch it and leave the rest of us alone."

You think it's lowbrow or not worthy of your time, fine. No one's forcing you to watch it. But stop demeaning the millions and millions of fans who enjoy the sport just because it doesn't fit into your tastes.

 

[TheRover]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

I like Indy racing. I like drag racing. I like stock car racing. I even like me some demolition derby.

I have never liked NASCAR Racing, as something to watch on TV.

Sure, some of the wrecks are spectacular.

But... really.... watching the NASCAR race itself is as boring as watching American Idol.

 

[dhett]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

But... really.... watching the NASCAR race itself is as boring as watching American Idol.

...but not nearly as boring as a Red Sox/Yankees game.

I know this is hard for you New Yorkers and New Englanders to understand, but, the majority of the country couldn't possibly care less about the Yankees, the Red Sox, or their juvenile rivalry. The last time I cared about the Yankees, they were getting their collective pride handed to them by an upstart Arizona Diamondbacks team.

And to answer a previous post, I'd heard that the Yankees were going to build a new stadium, but I'd forgotten. I haven't been living under a rock; I'm pretty well-informed. It's just that I don't care about the Yankees, or New York City, for that matter, especially since my upstate tax dollars are no longer going down that rat hole. And now for the shocker - I usually skip the NYC and NE TV boards too. Know why? You guessed it: I just don't care.

OBTW - I am not a NASCAR fan either, nor did I attend or even watch this past weekend's event.

 

[12 In a Row]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

But... really.... watching the NASCAR race itself is as boring as watching American Idol.

...but not nearly as boring as a Red Sox/Yankees game.

I know this is hard for you New Yorkers and New Englanders to understand, but, the majority of the country couldn't possibly care less about the Yankees, the Red Sox, or their juvenile rivalry. The last time I cared about the Yankees, they were getting their collective pride handed to them by an upstart Arizona Diamondbacks team.

And to answer a previous post, I'd heard that the Yankees were going to build a new stadium, but I'd forgotten. I haven't been living under a rock; I'm pretty well-informed. It's just that I don't care about the Yankees, or New York City, for that matter, especially since my upstate tax dollars are no longer going down that rat hole. And now for the shocker - I usually skip the NYC and NE TV boards too. Know why? You guessed it: I just don't care.

OBTW - I am not a NASCAR fan either, nor did I attend or even watch this past weekend's event.

From New England, I'm a Red Sox fan and not a NASCAR fan.

That being said, there are many more fans of racing than baseball. The rest of the country "cares less" about Boston and New York.
Fox can only be faulted for trying to please everyone. They should have picked up the Red Sox-Yankees game on FX.

 

[OhReally?]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Contractual obligations aside, they might as well have bumped the Yankees-Red Sox game for a figure skating competition. A boneheaded move. If any sport should be toughing it out down on FX, it's NASCAR.

By the way, isn't this what the Speed channel should be for?

Yeah, let's inconvenience MILLIONS of viewers of NASCAR (in person and on TV) for a regional game that's delayed due to weather. : That's NOT how it works.

Something else you and quite a few others don't get is that, IIRC, the Yankees/Red Sox game was regional, so not everyone was affected by the delay because not everybody saw the game. Most, if not all, of the Saturday afternoon games on FOX are regional.

Suggesting doing a "split-screen" of two completely different sporting events is just ridiculous and anyone suggesting such hasn't a clue how things work.

 

[OhReally?]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

If NASCAR delayed the start from 5:45 to 5:55(local time)...what would have been so wrong with 6 on the dot?

They should be lucky NASCAR agreed to delay it at all. They certainly were not obligated to do so, nor should they care about SOME viewers of a regional game.