FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

[DToTheJ]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Yeah, let's inconvenience MILLIONS of viewers of NASCAR (in person and on TV) for a regional game that's delayed due to weather... Most, if not all, of the Saturday afternoon games on FOX are regional.

I could be wrong, but doesn't Fox join another of their regional games in progress at the conclusion of the main game, much like they do with the NFL? Wouldn't that be part of Fox's Saturday afternoon "window"?

 

[BRNout]

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Gawd, I read the latest posts and they have me hearing that old song "dueling banjos"! NASCAR is more popular than baseball? Red Sox - Yankees are just 2 regional teams? What planet do you guys live on anyhow?

I don't know ONE person who enjoys the tedius monotony of watching a bunch of cars with ads on them going 'round and 'round an asphalt track - waiting for one of them to crack up! This is the dullest damn thing I've ever seen. And, who cares which grease monkey is related to or has some grudge with some other grease monkey? Drama? Honestly, I don't get it and never will. Just like I don't get someone sticking some number 9 on their pickup truck. It's like a reality show from the E! channel gone horribly awry.

By the way "experts", it's not that NASCAR has such universal appeal - it's that it's fans are ultra loyal. When they'd have the races at NHIS in Loudon, NH - you'd know it was race week because all those motor homes and RVs would start showing up on the Tuesday before with license plates from places like Tennessee, Alabama and Arkansas. People who would never ordinarily be there. And, the city's stock of Old Milwaukee would quickly run out! ;D ;D [sorry, couldn't resist...]

Yeah, they may draw 150,000 for these races - but 75,000 of them are the same people!!! ;D

And, (back to reality) MLB draws more than that many fans every single game day.

Anyhow, don't try to BS the numbers by telling us that this thing is more popular than America's pastime. It just isn't so. Fox made a mistake - pure and simple. You may not like big northeastern cities - but that's where an awful lot of people live. And a heck of a lot more of them were pissed about the game being yanked than would be offended by this so-called "sporting event" ending up on FX.

 

[TheRover]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

So, basically, then the NASCAR experience is just a medium for getting to gether, cooking out and throwing back some cold ones..... Bring the family and the inlaws and the outlaws over for a real get-toghter....

Well.... That's all fine by me.....

But the sport by itself.... is boring to me.

But others, many others really like it.

But I too... don't "get it".... ???

 

[12 In a Row]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

First off, Fox didn't screw up anything.
They stayed with the game as long as they possibly could. No Green Flag=HUGE Fine!

Secondly, I'm a baseball fan and personally never got the race thing.
However, it's extremely popular to millions of people and I respect that.

Covering a few of these races, I've seen firsthand, the RV's and the majority of their owners.
Mega thousands of dollars for the units, most towing a car behind them. The vast majority are EXTREMELY well off!

Don't reserve the red necked, fat bellied boys just for NASCAR.
Watch when the camera pans the crowd at an NFL game or the bleacher creatures at the ballpark.

Thirdly, if the Yankees had just struck out, this would never have happened.

 

[imhomerjay]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

First off, Fox didn't screw up anything.
They stayed with the game as long as they possibly could. No Green Flag=HUGE Fine!

Secondly, I'm a baseball fan and personally never got the race thing.
However, it's extremely popular to millions of people and I respect that.

Covering a few of these races, I've seen firsthand, the RV's and the majority of their owners.
Mega thousands of dollars for the units, most towing a car behind them. The vast majority are EXTREMELY well off!

Don't reserve the red necked, fat bellied boys just for NASCAR.
Watch when the camera pans the crowd at an NFL game or the bleacher creatures at the ballpark.

Thirdly, if the Yankees had just struck out, this would never have happened.

What some posters fail to recognize is that their preferences and those of "all the people" they know are anecdotal and not necessarily reflective of facts.

I can't stand NASCAR, but that's neither here nor there when it comes to the ratings. The numbers tell the story.

Moreover, the attempt to dismiss the ratings as only coming in small markets, and not in the all-important northeastern cities (of which I'm a proud resident) is likewise meaningless. Fox is selling its national advertisers total eyeballs. While they may get a better share in smaller markets, the total is what matters.

Fox had to pick one group or another to tick off. Add in the issue of contractual obligations, and it looks like they did the best they could with the hand they were given.

 

[DToTheJ]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

... if the Yankees had just struck out, this would never have happened.

And is it just me, or has there just happened to be a LOT of base hits with two outs in the 9th, or any inning for that matter? This is why if I DVR a baseball game and skim through it, I immediately skip past the first two outs and start watching.

 

[Smittian]

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I can't stand either of those two teams because the media tries to shove it down everyone's throats. Sort of like when you people in the Northeast have to watch the Dallas Cowboys every week during the fall.

Everybody's got different tastes. Some like baseball, some like racing. Some(me included) happen to like both. It just happens that those who dislike NASCAR tend to be more disrespectful and offensive in their posts.

 

[BRNout]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Sort of like when you people in the Northeast have to watch the Dallas Cowboys every week during the fall.

Uh oh, we've resorted to the infamous "you people" remark!!! Remember what happened that last time that was uttered by a certain rich Texan to a big group?!? LOL! ;D

Yeah sure, different tastes need to be taken into account. I'll admit that. But what Fox did had the stench of the Heidi game all over it. Pulling the plug like that. If that's their obligation, perhaps they should have been a little more diligent in their negotiations with NASCAR. Fox clearly needs better lawyers! They could have stuck a force majeure clause in there to take such an event into account. And, isn't NASCAR on FX sometimes? So what would be the harm?

As for the Cowboys, you're right - I always hated them being shoved down everyone's throats and the "America's Team" moniker is/was nothing short of nauseating. That being said, the Redskins-Cowboys rivalry (when both teams are in the chase) is another amazing sports story. You have to admit that it would be a huge travesty to interrupt it for a sport that looks something akin to an LA traffic report!

 

[avtosalon]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

First off, Fox didn't screw up anything.
They stayed with the game as long as they possibly could. No Green Flag=HUGE Fine!

Well then Fox deserves a huge fine, because the green flag was MISSED. When Fox made the switch to the race, the first lap was 90% complete.

So not only did Fox miss the end of the baseball game, they also missed the start (green flag) of the race!

 

[YEKIMI]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

OMG! Fox missed the green flag and 90% of the first lap! The Earth is spinning out of it's orbit! Horses are mating with parakeets! Water is spiraling counterclockwise down the toilets! Whatever shall we do? So what? It's a damn race with 499 more laps to go! It's a damn ball game that matters nothing at all till close to the end of the season. Neither one will affect YOUR life unless you have placed bets on them or have a relative playing or driving in one of them. If your only problem is complaining about this, then what a charmed life you must all live!

 

[dhett]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Gawd, I read the latest posts and they have me hearing that old song "dueling banjos"! NASCAR is more popular than baseball? Red Sox - Yankees are just 2 regional teams? What planet do you guys live on anyhow?

It's called Earth. You're welcome to visit anytime.

Anyhow, don't try to BS the numbers by telling us that this thing is more popular than America's pastime. It just isn't so. Fox made a mistake - pure and simple. You may not like big northeastern cities - but that's where an awful lot of people live. And a heck of a lot more of them were pissed about the game being yanked than would be offended by this so-called "sporting event" ending up on FX.

Do us a favor - don't try to BS us by telling us that the Yankees - Red Sox is more than a regional rivalry. That's all it is; the rest of us don't care about either team.

 

[BRNout]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Then don't try to tell us city folk that watching a bunch of cars go round and round in a circle is more compelling than a 100+ year old rivalry. Red Sox - Yankees transcends regional boundaries, just as other big sporting rivalries do. If that's what you think, then you don't know any better.

Face it, NASCAR is NOT America's pastime. It is NOT as popular as baseball. Aside from (perhaps) Atlanta, it is NOT as popular in top 10 markets as baseball. Nor is it as venerable as baseball or football. It's still fringe - a la hockey. Hey, hockey is madly popular in some regions too. But forgotten in others. Like NASCAR. Except hockey is actually interesting.

You show me these huge crowds at raceways and I'll show you a bunch of the same people who go from race to race. Or, better yet, I'll show you a dozen stadiums that are - on any given day - collectively filled with twice as many fans as at any race. If the nation hosted one baseball game a week in a 150,000 person venue, it would easily fill up too. Even if the teams were scrubs like the Rays and Rangers.

Fox just likes the revenue from ads for cheap beer and motor oil, that's all there is to it. :

 

[avtosalon]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

If your only problem is complaining about this, then what a charmed life you must all live!

I'm not complaining, just stating what actually happened. Although the green flag is kind of cool because all 43 cars are perfectly lined-up/syncronized when the flag waves. And we missed Darrell Waltrip when he shouts "Boogity Boogity Boogity!".

My point is that several previous messages stated that Fox had a contractual obligation to carry the race from the green flag, yet that did not happen. Fox could have made the switch after the baseball game was finished, or they could have switched just prior to waving the green flag, but NEITHER happened. IMO both the baseball game and race were botched, instead of just one.

Fox moved the baseball game to FX. I nice move, but not the best solution if you do not have cable. I refuse to pay money for any television programing that already has advertising. A better idea would have been to move the game to a FREE channel:

1) MyNetworkTV (network owned by Fox). Where I live, News Corp. (Fox) owns both the Fox and MyNetworkTV affiliates.

2) A digital sub-channel. Why hasn't Fox started to utilize this technology? ABC, NBC, PBS, ion, and independents already have, but not Fox.

 

[TheRover]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

First off, Fox didn't screw up anything.
They stayed with the game as long as they possibly could. No Green Flag=HUGE Fine!

Well then Fox deserves a huge fine, because the green flag was MISSED. When Fox made the switch to the race, the first lap was 90% complete.

So not only did Fox miss the end of the baseball game, they also missed the start (green flag) of the race!

Exactly.... FOX managed to screw both NASCAR --AND-- Baseball fans in one stroke!!

Great Going you Big Fat Professional Network ! ! !

You'll get it Right --- One of these Years ! ! !

 

[12 In a Row]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

As a life long Red Sox fan, I get it. Folks in N.Y. and Boston THINK the rest of the country is sitting on the edge of their seats and can't wait for the next pitch. Reality is, they don't care.

Also, I don't get the "I refuse to pay money for cable" and than bitch when they can't get something that is available on cable.
You can't have it both ways.

 

[tripinva]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

What Fox did was wrong. What they SHOULD have done, was cut to the NASCAR race a lot earlier.

Think about this. Whether you like NASCAR or not, Fox DID have an agreement to show the green flag or pay $1m in penalties. So here's the logic:

Assume NASCAR is not more important than baseball, which means ad revenue is lower. That means they would pay a larger percentage of their gross if they miss the green flag, so economically, it makes more sense to show the NASCAR race at the beginning.

Assume NASCAR is more important due to higher ratings. They go to it, don't pay a fine, and make more money than the ball game would have.

Either way, Fox was right to go to the NASCAR race. I disagree with how it was done, but they definitely should have gone to it.

- Trip

 

[dhett]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Then don't try to tell us city folk that watching a bunch of cars go round and round in a circle is more compelling than a 100+ year old rivalry. Red Sox - Yankees transcends regional boundaries, just as other big sporting rivalries do. If that's what you think, then you don't know any better.

On the contrary. I think so precisely because I do know better. I grew up in the Northeast, but now live in the Southwest, and guess what? There's a whole lot more to this country than New York/New England. Most of those of us here in flyover country find the off switch more compelling than the Yankees / Red Sox.

 

[DJ Tony]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

I love the sport of Baseball just as much as the next person, but goodness, what is the big deal about FOX switching a RAIN DELAYED GAME for a NASCAR race? FOX did what they were obligated to do whether everyone likes it or not. Besides, like I have said, Yankees-Red Sox game is just another game during the regular season, just that you guys buy into the media feeding you what they love to refer as "Round 1", "Round 2", etc etc. Another thing, fights can occur in any sport at any point in time, I don't know why if these two teams fight its a shocker, jaja.

 

[ixnay]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

Has News Corp. made any public statements about the botching of the start of the race?

ixnay

 

[12 In a Row]

Re: FOX to NASCAR-Phoenix:" Just a little longer"...NASCAR-Phoenix to FOX:---

The only botch was not putting the rain delay game on FX.