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Free 104.1 FM (projected) and Boston Classic Rock, 100.7 WZLX
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Joseph_Gallant
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If "Free FM" does come to Boston, I think you can flip-flop the stations.
It won't be coming to 104.1. It will remain known as WBCN, but if WZLX-100.7 gets replaced by "Free FM", 'BCN's format would be tweaked to a hybrid of classic and modern rock.
It won't be coming to 104.1. It will remain known as WBCN, but if WZLX-100.7 gets replaced by "Free FM", 'BCN's format would be tweaked to a hybrid of classic and modern rock.
> If "Free FM" does come to Boston, I think you can flip-flop
> the stations.
>
> It won't be coming to 104.1. It will remain known as WBCN,
> but if WZLX-100.7 gets replaced by "Free FM", 'BCN's format
> would be tweaked to a hybrid of classic and modern rock.
But why not just move the WBCN calls to 100.7? Listeners of the modern rock format on 104.1 would be the potential target audience for a "Free FM" station. Moving the format of 100.7 to 104.1 would just appear to confuse listeners, and disorient potential listeners of Free FM.
Rather than flipping the stations positions in order to retain a heritage Boston radio icon, and knowing Infinity's stance on heritage, it would appear that moving the WBCN identity to WZLX would be a better move.
> the stations.
>
> It won't be coming to 104.1. It will remain known as WBCN,
> but if WZLX-100.7 gets replaced by "Free FM", 'BCN's format
> would be tweaked to a hybrid of classic and modern rock.
But why not just move the WBCN calls to 100.7? Listeners of the modern rock format on 104.1 would be the potential target audience for a "Free FM" station. Moving the format of 100.7 to 104.1 would just appear to confuse listeners, and disorient potential listeners of Free FM.
Rather than flipping the stations positions in order to retain a heritage Boston radio icon, and knowing Infinity's stance on heritage, it would appear that moving the WBCN identity to WZLX would be a better move.
Did you not read the previous thread? WBCN is NOT flipping to talk!
See post below, were I said (and the moderator agreed with me), that WBCN will not flip to FM talk, so long as WTKK is FM Talk.
Mix or ODS will not Flip to Jack so long as there is Mike. Boston, like most markets, are "one format" markets.
And, for the umpteenth time, Infinity has already settled this matter, by announcing that WBCN will remain rock. Don't forget that WBCN (which stands for "Boston's Concert Network") is a long held heritage rocker in Boston, was around long before Howard Stern and will be around long after he's gone.
See post below, were I said (and the moderator agreed with me), that WBCN will not flip to FM talk, so long as WTKK is FM Talk.
Mix or ODS will not Flip to Jack so long as there is Mike. Boston, like most markets, are "one format" markets.
And, for the umpteenth time, Infinity has already settled this matter, by announcing that WBCN will remain rock. Don't forget that WBCN (which stands for "Boston's Concert Network") is a long held heritage rocker in Boston, was around long before Howard Stern and will be around long after he's gone.
Re: Did you not read the previous thread? WBCN is NOT flipping to talk!
> Don't forget that WBCN (which stands for "Boston's Concert
> Network") is a long held heritage rocker in Boston, was
> around long before Howard Stern and will be around long
> after he's gone.
I'm thinking you already know this.... but the "Concert Network" had nothing to do with Rock and Roll.
However I agree with you that WBCN will not flip. Infinity makes a lot of money in the Boston market. It's stations here are some of the most long-term successful formats that it has in the entire country. Ratings may be off here and there but they bill very well. Until FreeFM or Jack start making huge amounts of money in other large markets I don't think anything is going to happen. Heritage on it's own means little nowadays to these large corporations but keeping stockholders happy means a lot. WNEW had heritage but it and KROCK where not making the money that they should. Will see what happens in NY but I think Boston is good for now.
> Don't forget that WBCN (which stands for "Boston's Concert
> Network") is a long held heritage rocker in Boston, was
> around long before Howard Stern and will be around long
> after he's gone.
I'm thinking you already know this.... but the "Concert Network" had nothing to do with Rock and Roll.
However I agree with you that WBCN will not flip. Infinity makes a lot of money in the Boston market. It's stations here are some of the most long-term successful formats that it has in the entire country. Ratings may be off here and there but they bill very well. Until FreeFM or Jack start making huge amounts of money in other large markets I don't think anything is going to happen. Heritage on it's own means little nowadays to these large corporations but keeping stockholders happy means a lot. WNEW had heritage but it and KROCK where not making the money that they should. Will see what happens in NY but I think Boston is good for now.
First, I don't think that heritage call letters like WBCN are quite as heritage as they used to be. Case in point, WNEW in New York. Yes, officially it's still WNEW, and has been through all of its recent flips, but currently the station is called Mix 102.7, and the WNEW calls are only said once an hour.
Second, WBCN is already a classic/modern rock hybrid. Even though they report as alternative, WBCN is back to being an AOR station, granted playing mostly alternative-based currents, but its exactly the format that WHJY/Providence has when Bill Weston was the program director.
And third, WZLX is a stable station, and given the fact that they're wedged between classic hits WROR and rockers WBCN and WAAF, they're doing quite well, they bill very well and they've got a following and a bit of heritage of their own. I don't think WZLX is going anywhere, or WBCN for that matter, but if a major change were to be made, I think it would be on WBCN. Their numbers are slipping, and their jocks, on the whole, are not legendary or have huge followings.
Just my two cents.
Jacko<P ID="signature">______________
I live for my dream,
And a pocket full of gold.
</P>
Second, WBCN is already a classic/modern rock hybrid. Even though they report as alternative, WBCN is back to being an AOR station, granted playing mostly alternative-based currents, but its exactly the format that WHJY/Providence has when Bill Weston was the program director.
And third, WZLX is a stable station, and given the fact that they're wedged between classic hits WROR and rockers WBCN and WAAF, they're doing quite well, they bill very well and they've got a following and a bit of heritage of their own. I don't think WZLX is going anywhere, or WBCN for that matter, but if a major change were to be made, I think it would be on WBCN. Their numbers are slipping, and their jocks, on the whole, are not legendary or have huge followings.
Just my two cents.
Jacko<P ID="signature">______________
I live for my dream,
And a pocket full of gold.
</P>
Re: Did you not read the previous thread? WBCN is NOT flipping to talk!
> However I agree with you that WBCN will not flip. Infinity
> makes a lot of money in the Boston market. It's stations
> here are some of the most long-term successful formats that
> it has in the entire country. Ratings may be off here and
> there but they bill very well. Until FreeFM or Jack start
> making huge amounts of money in other large markets I don't
> think anything is going to happen. Heritage on it's own
> means little nowadays to these large corporations but
> keeping stockholders happy means a lot. WNEW had heritage
> but it and KROCK where not making the money that they
> should. Will see what happens in NY but I think Boston is
> good for now.
>
The part that throws me (and possibly others) off is how Infinity had planned to put Jack on in Boston. It's not a question of whether Infinity was going to do it or not; the 98.5 JACKfm (or 103.3 JACKfm or 100.7 JACKfm or 104.1 JACKfm) hard drive is sitting somewhere in one of Infinity's buildings. Had Entercom not launched Mike, this was going to happen that Friday.
Infinity was going to risk one of their existing Boston stations to give Jack a try, despite their current success. There is certainly a possiblity that one of the FMs will switch to Free FM; that can't be ignored. The only questions are if, where, and when.
> However I agree with you that WBCN will not flip. Infinity
> makes a lot of money in the Boston market. It's stations
> here are some of the most long-term successful formats that
> it has in the entire country. Ratings may be off here and
> there but they bill very well. Until FreeFM or Jack start
> making huge amounts of money in other large markets I don't
> think anything is going to happen. Heritage on it's own
> means little nowadays to these large corporations but
> keeping stockholders happy means a lot. WNEW had heritage
> but it and KROCK where not making the money that they
> should. Will see what happens in NY but I think Boston is
> good for now.
>
The part that throws me (and possibly others) off is how Infinity had planned to put Jack on in Boston. It's not a question of whether Infinity was going to do it or not; the 98.5 JACKfm (or 103.3 JACKfm or 100.7 JACKfm or 104.1 JACKfm) hard drive is sitting somewhere in one of Infinity's buildings. Had Entercom not launched Mike, this was going to happen that Friday.
Infinity was going to risk one of their existing Boston stations to give Jack a try, despite their current success. There is certainly a possiblity that one of the FMs will switch to Free FM; that can't be ignored. The only questions are if, where, and when.
Re: Did you not read the previous thread? WBCN is NOT flipping to talk!
> The part that throws me (and possibly others) off is how
> Infinity had planned to put Jack on in Boston. It's not a
> question of whether Infinity was going to do it or not; the
> 98.5 JACKfm (or 103.3 JACKfm or 100.7 JACKfm or 104.1
> JACKfm) hard drive is sitting somewhere in one of Infinity's
> buildings.
This is FLAT OUT CONJECTURE!
That was simply a claim that was made earlier, and NEVER SUBSTANTIATED. The story has no merit, because there is not (nor do you have) ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS EVER THE CASE.
There is no proof that Infinity had (or has) any plans to throw Jack on any stations in Boston. And how would they have? All of the stations in question, Mix98-5 and WODS have populuar morning hosts (Dale Dorman, John Lander) who are well under contract.
> The part that throws me (and possibly others) off is how
> Infinity had planned to put Jack on in Boston. It's not a
> question of whether Infinity was going to do it or not; the
> 98.5 JACKfm (or 103.3 JACKfm or 100.7 JACKfm or 104.1
> JACKfm) hard drive is sitting somewhere in one of Infinity's
> buildings.
This is FLAT OUT CONJECTURE!
That was simply a claim that was made earlier, and NEVER SUBSTANTIATED. The story has no merit, because there is not (nor do you have) ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS EVER THE CASE.
There is no proof that Infinity had (or has) any plans to throw Jack on any stations in Boston. And how would they have? All of the stations in question, Mix98-5 and WODS have populuar morning hosts (Dale Dorman, John Lander) who are well under contract.
Re: Did you not read the previous thread? WBCN is NOT flipping to talk!
> This is FLAT OUT CONJECTURE!
> That was simply a claim that was made earlier, and NEVER
> SUBSTANTIATED. The story has no merit, because there is not
> (nor do you have) ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS EVER THE CASE.
Yes I do.
Inside Radio posted a story a few weeks after Entercom launched Mike. The story reported that Infinity was beaten by A DAY in both Boston and San Francisco to launching Jack outlets.
I have further proof that I'd discuss off-board, but your e-mail isn't listed in your profile.
> This is FLAT OUT CONJECTURE!
> That was simply a claim that was made earlier, and NEVER
> SUBSTANTIATED. The story has no merit, because there is not
> (nor do you have) ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS EVER THE CASE.
Yes I do.
Inside Radio posted a story a few weeks after Entercom launched Mike. The story reported that Infinity was beaten by A DAY in both Boston and San Francisco to launching Jack outlets.
I have further proof that I'd discuss off-board, but your e-mail isn't listed in your profile.
W
WizardofProd
Guest
> If "Free FM" does come to Boston, I think you can flip-flop
> the stations.
>
> It won't be coming to 104.1. It will remain known as WBCN,
> but if WZLX-100.7 gets replaced by "Free FM", 'BCN's format
> would be tweaked to a hybrid of classic and modern rock.
>
Led Zep, Pearl jam, Pink Floyd, Nirvana, Aerosmith, Soundgarden,...hmmmm..... What the hell do you think BCN is now? do you even think before posting? or do you just have to type out of some uncontrolled impulse whether it makes sense when it comes out or not?
> the stations.
>
> It won't be coming to 104.1. It will remain known as WBCN,
> but if WZLX-100.7 gets replaced by "Free FM", 'BCN's format
> would be tweaked to a hybrid of classic and modern rock.
>
Led Zep, Pearl jam, Pink Floyd, Nirvana, Aerosmith, Soundgarden,...hmmmm..... What the hell do you think BCN is now? do you even think before posting? or do you just have to type out of some uncontrolled impulse whether it makes sense when it comes out or not?
F
FMRadio1
Guest
Re: Did you not read the previous thread? WBCN is NOT flipping to talk!
> See post below, were I said (and the moderator agreed with
> me), that WBCN will not flip to FM talk, so long as WTKK is
> FM Talk.
> Mix or ODS will not Flip to Jack so long as there is Mike.
> Boston, like most markets, are "one format" markets.
The "Free-FM" concept is much different than traditional talk. It will be more lifestyle oriented and not relient on politics. Free-FM is shooting for much younger demos, who are largely turned off by political talk. If Free takes off, I could see situations where some markets could support both an FM-conservatalker and a Free-FM. In fact, with more younger listeners migrating to new technologies to get their music (I-pods, satellite radio, internet streaming, etc) I wouldn't be surprised to see more talk formats eventually moving to FM, including sports and even religious talk (although the last one not here in Boston.)
> And, for the umpteenth time, Infinity has already settled
> this matter, by announcing that WBCN will remain rock. Don't
> forget that WBCN (which stands for "Boston's Concert
> Network") is a long held heritage rocker in Boston, was
> around long before Howard Stern and will be around long
> after he's gone.
I don't think it's settled at all. What happens if the ratings totally tank after Howard leaves? With all the classic rock WBCN is now playing, 104.1 could cannibalize some listeners from WZLX, which bills well but who's numbers lag behind where they usually are, at least 12+. If WBCN bottoms out into the ones or twos post-Howard, I could see Infinity taking a chance with Free-FM here.
Mike Thomas
> See post below, were I said (and the moderator agreed with
> me), that WBCN will not flip to FM talk, so long as WTKK is
> FM Talk.
> Mix or ODS will not Flip to Jack so long as there is Mike.
> Boston, like most markets, are "one format" markets.
The "Free-FM" concept is much different than traditional talk. It will be more lifestyle oriented and not relient on politics. Free-FM is shooting for much younger demos, who are largely turned off by political talk. If Free takes off, I could see situations where some markets could support both an FM-conservatalker and a Free-FM. In fact, with more younger listeners migrating to new technologies to get their music (I-pods, satellite radio, internet streaming, etc) I wouldn't be surprised to see more talk formats eventually moving to FM, including sports and even religious talk (although the last one not here in Boston.)
> And, for the umpteenth time, Infinity has already settled
> this matter, by announcing that WBCN will remain rock. Don't
> forget that WBCN (which stands for "Boston's Concert
> Network") is a long held heritage rocker in Boston, was
> around long before Howard Stern and will be around long
> after he's gone.
I don't think it's settled at all. What happens if the ratings totally tank after Howard leaves? With all the classic rock WBCN is now playing, 104.1 could cannibalize some listeners from WZLX, which bills well but who's numbers lag behind where they usually are, at least 12+. If WBCN bottoms out into the ones or twos post-Howard, I could see Infinity taking a chance with Free-FM here.
Mike Thomas
Re: Did you not read the previous thread? WBCN is NOT flipping to talk!
> The "Free-FM" concept is much different than traditional
> talk. It will be more lifestyle oriented and not relient on
> politics. Free-FM is shooting for much younger demos, who
> are largely turned off by political talk. If Free takes
> off, I could see situations where some markets could support
> both an FM-conservatalker and a Free-FM. In fact, with more
> younger listeners migrating to new technologies to get their
> music (I-pods, satellite radio, internet streaming, etc) I
> wouldn't be surprised to see more talk formats eventually
> moving to FM,
How receptive is the under-30 audience to talk (aside from Stern & others of his ilk)? Wasn't there a station somewhere in Florida that tried so-called "Hot talk" (seemed to be mostly sex talk when I heard them) a few years ago? Are they still around? Don't seem to hear much about that genre these days.
> The "Free-FM" concept is much different than traditional
> talk. It will be more lifestyle oriented and not relient on
> politics. Free-FM is shooting for much younger demos, who
> are largely turned off by political talk. If Free takes
> off, I could see situations where some markets could support
> both an FM-conservatalker and a Free-FM. In fact, with more
> younger listeners migrating to new technologies to get their
> music (I-pods, satellite radio, internet streaming, etc) I
> wouldn't be surprised to see more talk formats eventually
> moving to FM,
How receptive is the under-30 audience to talk (aside from Stern & others of his ilk)? Wasn't there a station somewhere in Florida that tried so-called "Hot talk" (seemed to be mostly sex talk when I heard them) a few years ago? Are they still around? Don't seem to hear much about that genre these days.
RealRadio 104.1 www.wtks.com
> How receptive is the under-30 audience to talk (aside from
> Stern & others of his ilk)? Wasn't there a station
> somewhere in Florida that tried so-called "Hot talk" (seemed
> to be mostly sex talk when I heard them) a few years ago?
> Are they still around? Don't seem to hear much about that
> genre these days.
RealRadio 104.1 http://www.wtks.com/
I'm not seeing how this is different from talk on WNEW or WYSP, or even WJFK.
> How receptive is the under-30 audience to talk (aside from
> Stern & others of his ilk)? Wasn't there a station
> somewhere in Florida that tried so-called "Hot talk" (seemed
> to be mostly sex talk when I heard them) a few years ago?
> Are they still around? Don't seem to hear much about that
> genre these days.
RealRadio 104.1 http://www.wtks.com/
I'm not seeing how this is different from talk on WNEW or WYSP, or even WJFK.
Re: Did you not read the previous thread? WBCN is NOT flipping to talk!
> > The "Free-FM" concept is much different than traditional
> > talk. It will be more lifestyle oriented and not relient
> on
> > politics. Free-FM is shooting for much younger demos, who
>
> > are largely turned off by political talk. If Free takes
> > off, I could see situations where some markets could
> support
> > both an FM-conservatalker and a Free-FM. In fact, with
> more
> > younger listeners migrating to new technologies to get
> their
> > music (I-pods, satellite radio, internet streaming, etc) I
>
> > wouldn't be surprised to see more talk formats eventually
> > moving to FM,
>
> How receptive is the under-30 audience to talk (aside from
> Stern & others of his ilk)? Wasn't there a station
> somewhere in Florida that tried so-called "Hot talk" (seemed
> to be mostly sex talk when I heard them) a few years ago?
> Are they still around? Don't seem to hear much about that
> genre these days.
>
yeah they're still around and they apparantly do very well. They dont really have any name talent there though which is what separates them from the "free fm" concept. That and they are a clear channel station.
> > The "Free-FM" concept is much different than traditional
> > talk. It will be more lifestyle oriented and not relient
> on
> > politics. Free-FM is shooting for much younger demos, who
>
> > are largely turned off by political talk. If Free takes
> > off, I could see situations where some markets could
> support
> > both an FM-conservatalker and a Free-FM. In fact, with
> more
> > younger listeners migrating to new technologies to get
> their
> > music (I-pods, satellite radio, internet streaming, etc) I
>
> > wouldn't be surprised to see more talk formats eventually
> > moving to FM,
>
> How receptive is the under-30 audience to talk (aside from
> Stern & others of his ilk)? Wasn't there a station
> somewhere in Florida that tried so-called "Hot talk" (seemed
> to be mostly sex talk when I heard them) a few years ago?
> Are they still around? Don't seem to hear much about that
> genre these days.
>
yeah they're still around and they apparantly do very well. They dont really have any name talent there though which is what separates them from the "free fm" concept. That and they are a clear channel station.
I
itsjjski
Guest
Reinventing the wheel
I have come to seriously doubt Infinity's new formats. Blink, Jack, and Now FreeFM. The previous two are/were generally unsucessful where they were supposed to be huge. FreeFm will flop.
I have come to seriously doubt Infinity's new formats. Blink, Jack, and Now FreeFM. The previous two are/were generally unsucessful where they were supposed to be huge. FreeFm will flop.
Re: Did you not read the previous thread? WBCN is NOT flipping to talk!
> > This is FLAT OUT CONJECTURE!
> > That was simply a claim that was made earlier, and NEVER
> > SUBSTANTIATED. The story has no merit, because there is
> not
> > (nor do you have) ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS EVER THE
> CASE.
>
> Yes I do.
>
> Inside Radio posted a story a few weeks after Entercom
> launched Mike. The story reported that Infinity was beaten
> by A DAY in both Boston and San Francisco to launching Jack
> outlets.
>
> I have further proof that I'd discuss off-board, but your
> e-mail isn't listed in your profile.
>
I believe you. At that point in time, Infinity was flipping stations to Jack in just about any market where Variety Hits didn't exist.
When Infinity get's excited about an idea, whether it's JACK or FREE, they spread it to as many markets as possible. If BLINK in NY would have shown any early signs of success at all, it would be in several markets by now and would have replaced some heritage stations...that is the Infini
ty way.
> > This is FLAT OUT CONJECTURE!
> > That was simply a claim that was made earlier, and NEVER
> > SUBSTANTIATED. The story has no merit, because there is
> not
> > (nor do you have) ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS WAS EVER THE
> CASE.
>
> Yes I do.
>
> Inside Radio posted a story a few weeks after Entercom
> launched Mike. The story reported that Infinity was beaten
> by A DAY in both Boston and San Francisco to launching Jack
> outlets.
>
> I have further proof that I'd discuss off-board, but your
> e-mail isn't listed in your profile.
>
I believe you. At that point in time, Infinity was flipping stations to Jack in just about any market where Variety Hits didn't exist.
When Infinity get's excited about an idea, whether it's JACK or FREE, they spread it to as many markets as possible. If BLINK in NY would have shown any early signs of success at all, it would be in several markets by now and would have replaced some heritage stations...that is the Infini
ty way.
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