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FREEDOM 1590 TO 50000 WATTS (proposed) with SIEGEL,SAVAGE,LEVIN, 6 hrs of LARSON

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Citadel

Dave Drui and Chuck Olmstead at 1590 could consider blowing away KVI, and KOMO, permanently, forcing Fisher to sell KVI but probably not KOMO to Larry Wilson. Certainly, Brian Jennings would ABSOLUTELY love to have his former Vashon beachfront property back. :)

How? By broadcasting Savage, Levin, Colmes, and both of Lars Larsons' shows, live, by becoming 50kW day, 22.5kW critical hours, with the remaining 5kW night, directional, and moving the transmitter southward to Vashon cover more of the market at night.

The program schedule would be similar to Wilson's Freedom 970. It would be a winner in an election year. Lifestyle talk will not ever sell on any Fisher property, frankly, it doesn't sell anywhere unless it generates revenue on weekends.

One may surmise that KOMO management knows that this sale is imminent, given that they never run ads for the "new smart talk KVI" on KOMO.

It seems that KOMO does not promote KVI since they want to preserve KOMO's ratings that continue to underperform due to better management at KIRO-FM. Perhaps they never mention KVI since they do not want to send listeners away.

Whereas Drui runs ads for 1300 on 1590, and vice versa, all the time.

M-F KLFE-A (1590) i.e. "FREEDOM 1590"

NOON-3 LARS LARSON NW EDITION LIVE

3-6 MARK LEVIN LIVE

6-7 MARK LEVIN FIRST HOUR REPEATED

7-10 MICHAEL SAVAGE

10-1 LARS LARSON NATIONAL SHOW

1-4 RED EYE RADIO with Gary McNamara and Eric Harley

4-5 FIRST LIGHT WITH DIRK VAN

5-9 THE KLFE MORNING UPDATE WITH BILL YEEND, along with TONY MINER, RICK VAN CISE, DON MOYER, ANDY WAPPLER, and ANY OTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN FIRED FROM SEATTLE RADIO AND NOW WORK FOR PUBLIC AGENCIES (Rick Van Cise, State Dept. of Labor; Don Moyer, State Dept. of Health; Andy, Puget Sound Energy)

9-12 MIKE SIEGEL LIVE AND LOCAL
 
Even if somehow Salem was willing to invest several hundred thousand dollars for such a tower/transmitter relocation project, 1590 on the AM dial is not going to see any success.

And it's entirely too late to cash in on any election year momentum. Election day is a little more than 4 months from today!

Alan Colmes could be on KIRO-FM and he wouldn't get any ratings. Mike Siegel was on KVI during Rush's salad days and generated no ratings. Levin and Larson are B-level players at best. Savage is the one guy who could get ratings but most advertisers don't want to get within smelling distance of his vitriol.

But I like whatever it is the OP is smoking.
 
like wow......this would be dozenth seattle station, siegel could be hired at, and then fired at. last i heard of siegel, he popped up filling in for a host on republic broadcasting network, or was it genesis(GCN) within the last year. actually, ive always liked siegel through the many years. his biggest draw back, er talent, is he can fit any part, er activism politics the station wants. left wing, libertarian, or conservative. ironically, the best work i heard siegel do, was back in the 90's doing fill in on an allnighter talk show on KIRO 710. but, hey poster pontificater citadel, instead of running siegel 9 to noon, run alex jones live. fact is, jones is actually beating the rushbo on several of his 100+ affiliate stations. mostly mom and pops, but some of the corporates are even jumping on board nowadays. last week he broadcast live from virginia where the bilderberg global movers and shakers were meeting and planning your future and who the players will be. it was alex on a bull horn, and a big bunch of protesters in the streets. like him or hate him, alex been getting ratings. if that bilderberg broadcast wasnt good activist talk radio, ill eat my old greasy dodge cap!
 
My philosophy is you could even add Robin & Maynard and Pat Cashman and nobody would listen since it is on AM. I have not listened to AM since the KIRO switch.
 
equalinercard said:
Even if somehow Salem was willing to invest several hundred thousand dollars for such a tower/transmitter relocation project, 1590 on the AM dial is not going to see any success.

And it's entirely too late to cash in on any election year momentum. Election day is a little more than 4 months from today!

Alan Colmes could be on KIRO-FM and he wouldn't get any ratings. Mike Siegel was on KVI during Rush's salad days and generated no ratings. Levin and Larson are B-level players at best. Savage is the one guy who could get ratings but most advertisers don't want to get within smelling distance of his vitriol.

But I like whatever it is the OP is smoking.
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No, Levin is #3 on the talkers magazine survey. Savage is either tied at #3, or has dropped to #4. Larson's NW show and his national show are highly successful at Alpha properties in Oregon.

1590 can move their two towers, but obviously not be election day. For that high on the dial, you must go up to 50,000 watts daytime for coverage. However, 1590 in Tillamook Oregon results in a directional pattern at night from Bainbridge. That's why moving the transmitter to Vashon would be required.

A three tower away with a figure 8 signal would be best for during the day.

Talk radio ratings are only going to get worse in your market until the top talkers are broadcast live. Lifestyle talk at KVI will never sell. It's been tried over and over under several PD's including the new one who was here once before. Lifestyle and business talk doesn't sell, period.
 
Remember, the conservative ratings can be highest in the suburbs. Today's 1590 day and night configurations do not cover many suburbs. A directional figure 8 signal would solve the problem broadcasting from the south hill in puyallup up to issaquah and up to arlington. This might require more than 3 towers.
 
Citadel said:
Remember, the conservative ratings can be highest in the suburbs. Today's 1590 day and night configurations do not cover many suburbs. A directional figure 8 signal would solve the problem broadcasting from the south hill in puyallup up to issaquah and up to arlington. This might require more than 3 towers.
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Remember, the conservative ratings can be highest in the suburbs. Today's 1590 day and night configurations do not cover many suburbs

You damn right it doesn't. Because back in the days of KTIX/KSND/KUUU, the suburbs weren't really that important. Today, they're EVERYTHING. KJET could have had AMAZING (or at least far better) ratings had their signal been stronger in the north/south suburbs. But 1590 beams straight towards Seattle proper, a FAR more liberal area. And BARELY makes it into Bellevue/Eastside.

And what about 1680? They're TWICE the power.

A directional figure 8 signal would solve the problem broadcasting from the south hill in puyallup up to issaquah and up to arlington. This might require more than 3 towers.

A Figure-8? Where? Snohomish County to the north has conservatives, Bellevue/Eastside has consevatives. Pierce County has conservatives. And don't EVEN get me started on Kitsap County. They have LOTS of conservatives.

So WHO in this figure 8 do you plan to reach?

You are also forgetting interference problems with KVRI 1600 in Blaine, WA, KZIZ 1560 in Sumner - should you put the towers anywhere further south (and Tillamook, OR at night) and WHO the hell is going to invest in all the sheer, unadulterated real estate it's going to take to put up three towers plus GROUNDING in environmentally-correct Washington State? That process alone would take nearly a DECADE. And who knows what could change in that time? I'd be surprised if AM radio is still alive 10 years from now.

Seriously, you'd be better off with an internet stream with LOTS of promotion than a upgraded terrestrial AM radio signal ANYDAY......

I'm sure (or at least HOPE) the lesson of KKOL hasn't been lost on Salem.

AM, while a unique and heritage radio band, is also sadly dying a hard painful death. People like FUN. They like COLOR. And AM radio has been an icky, smelly, disgusting SWAMP of political rants, jock itch, tired oldies and Bible thumpers for FAR. TOO. LONG. And I'm sorry to say this, but we're past the point of no return. WAY past it. It's only REMOTE salvation as far as I'm concerned is turning it over to the format experimenters, like FM was in the '60s. And HOPE youth, creativity and artistic freedom will turn this pig around...

Otherwise, forget it.
 
-Bongwater -

I Agree with all of your points except that I love political rants :) That is why using one tower to go up as high as possible daytime (to not interfere with Tillamook and 1600 Blaine and 1580 Albany, OR), with an allowance for critical hours, and back to the directional pattern at night.

I don't know if this would be 50kW day / 20kWcrit, 20kW day / 7.5kW-crit, or what. I don't have AM engineering software but could find out.

A figure 8 on Vashon with lobes to the NE at 5 degrees and SW at 240 degrees (like 1090, to not even come close to Tillamook might work). Of course that's also best for 1300 KKOL as long as such a pattern protects The Dalles 1300.

Best solution is for Fisher to take those 1590 contracts but they'll never do it, of course.

1560 is three steps away, so not an issue. Haven't researched this so I don't know about 1570('s).
 
Citadel said:
1560 is three steps away, so not an issue. Haven't researched this so I don't know about 1570('s).
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I'm outside the market so not familiar with exactly where these facilities are/are proposed to go, but there *are* 3rd-adjacent separation requirements for AM. There are places where 1590 couldn't go, and power/pattern combinations it couldn't use, because of 1560.

1570 at Nanaimo, B.C. is still notified; it *might* be necessary for this station to protect that facility. Though I suspect providing adequate protection of 1600 in Blaine would more than take care of that.
 
1570 Nanaimo is LONG gone now.

-crainbebo
 
Nanaimo may be gone, but like 600 Vancouver and 900 Victoria, Canada still has first rights to it since they're so close to the US border. I don't know if there's any limitations to that, but the CRTC doesn't seem willing to just hand over frequencies previously assigned to Canada without some international horse trading (like with the 104.1/104.3 business a few years ago. And there aren't many horses left to trade....
 
crainbebo said:
1570 Nanaimo is LONG gone now.

-crainbebo
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As Bongwater says, the fact that Nanaimo is no longer on the air doesn't mean it doesn't get protected. The Canadian government continues to notify the facility to the FCC through the State Department, and as long as they do so, the Nanaimo station exists as far as the FCC is concerned.
 
w9wi said:
crainbebo said:
1570 Nanaimo is LONG gone now.

-crainbebo
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As Bongwater says, the fact that Nanaimo is no longer on the air doesn't mean it doesn't get protected. The Canadian government continues to notify the facility to the FCC through the State Department, and as long as they do so, the Nanaimo station exists as far as the FCC is concerned.
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Though having said that, second-adjacent protections aren't that difficult (for US class B stations, you can't overlap 5 mV/m contours), and anything you'd do on 1590 to protect 1600 in Blaine should also protect the dead 1570 in Nanaimo just fine.
 
The first application from KRPI 1550 in Ferndale, WA last year to increase night power to 50KW's and relocate the city of license to Point Roberts, WA was rejected on those very grounds. Industry Canada objected due to possible interference concerns to the 1570 allocation in Nanaimo. KRPI's second attempt with a huge null towards Nanaimo was acceptable to Industry Canada, so consequently the FCC approved this application a few weeks ago.

Realistically I can never see anyone in Nanaimo putting 1570 back on the air, but it's quite possible that the allocation could be moved to the Vancouver area at some point in the future (as was the case with 1200 in Victoria a few years back.....now CJRJ 1200 Vancouver). That's basically why Canada is hanging on to all those dark frequencies.
 
Dan said:
Realistically I can never see anyone in Nanaimo putting 1570 back on the air, but it's quite possible that the allocation could be moved to the Vancouver area at some point in the future (as was the case with 1200 in Victoria a few years back.....now CJRJ 1200 Vancouver). That's basically why Canada is hanging on to all those dark frequencies.
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Interesting point (about potentially moving 1570 to Vancouver) -- another example being Chicoutimi 1580, formerly CBJ, now in use at Cobourg, Ontario..
 
Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but the Lars Larson Northwest show is really a Portland, and/or Oregon show. Why would any station in Seattle want that? Seriously.
 
w9wi said:
Dan said:
Realistically I can never see anyone in Nanaimo putting 1570 back on the air, but it's quite possible that the allocation could be moved to the Vancouver area at some point in the future (as was the case with 1200 in Victoria a few years back.....now CJRJ 1200 Vancouver). That's basically why Canada is hanging on to all those dark frequencies.
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Interesting point (about potentially moving 1570 to Vancouver) -- another example being Chicoutimi 1580, formerly CBJ, now in use at Cobourg, Ontario..
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Cobourg was going to use 1580 to move 1450 to, but they opted for FM instead. 1580 is now being used in Oshawa.
 
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