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Glenn Beck's insensitive comments and transphobia on his talk show (heard on XM as well as 202 terrestrial radio stations)

Glenn Beck's insensitive comments and transphobia on his talk show (heard on XM as well as 202 terrestrial radio stations)

I'm going to be brave here and weigh in on a topic or two I don't normally talk about on these radio boards.

Then again, being the Sirius satellite radio fan that I am, it's not often these days that I tune into AM radio talk-show programs. So, this morning, I was obviously in the wrong place at the wrong time. I heard Glenn Beck's talk show program on WTAG Worcester (Mass.) and was appalled and outraged by what I heard.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not the sort to go flaming people on these boards. That's not my style. But Beck's comments and presentation regarding a particular subject were absolutely horrible, in my opinion. Not only did they show ignorance but also they had the potential to do great harm to certain people.

Let's put this in perspective, shall we? Doug "Greaseman" Tracht is a Washington, DC, area DJ who has generated controversy over the years for racially insensitive comments. In 1986 he said of the Martin Luther King, Jr., Day holiday, "Kill four more and we can take a whole week off." Then, in 1999, referring both to that year's upcoming Grammy awards ceremony and a then-current court homicide case involving a hate crime in Jasper, Texas, he played a Lauryn Hill track (she was nominated for 10 Grammies that year) and then said, "No wonder they drag them behind trucks" (or something to that effect).

Today, Glenn Beck weighed in on transgendered issues, demonstrating both his bigotry and his ignorance regarding the subject.

It could be argued that Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's Lauryn Hill comment was relatively (and mercifully) brief. But Glenn Beck went on for the better part of an hour with his anti-transgender nonsense. (I tuned out before the hour was over but I heard a good portion of Beck's rant.) (By the way, I'll return to Doug "Greaseman" Tracht momentarily before I'm finished writing this post.)

Beck's "news peg" was apparently the case of Lily McBeth, a 71-year-old teacher who is returning to the classroom in New Jersey following sex reassignment surgery (SRS). Beck addressed (pandered to?) the fears of parents but did absolutely nothing, in my opinion, to address reasons why these fears might or might not (in my opinion, for what that's worth) be valid.

Beck questioned whether parents would want their second graders learning that their teacher is transgendered. Well, the reality is that transgendered people do exist (and, might I add, frequently need to earn livings just like anyone else) and that it can not and will not turn a second-grader who is not transgendered into a transgendered person just because they might learn that such people do exist. (Also, yes, there have been case histories of kids -- known as "primary transsexuals" -- figuring out at ages as young as three that they are such, although some actually remain silent about that until adulthood. It's arguably doubtful that the presence or absence of a transgendered teacher in the classroom will make much difference one way or another, in the long run, where such kids are concerned, so far as them eventually figuring out who they are.)

Beck gratuitously discussed seeing a non-passable "eight-foot" transgendered person in the grocery at 9 PM. Well, okay, some transgendered people don't pass very well, but that's no reason to mock them, nor is it reason to ignore the fact that some transgendered people DO pass so well they sometimes blend into the proverbial woodwork.

The radio host stumbled over pronouns, mistakenly calling McBeth "he" on occasion. But certain other comments really stick out in my memory (and my proverbial "craw").

Beck made an inflammatory comment to the effect of, "I don't think anyone chooses to be a freak." (Now, wait a bleeping minute, he called transgendered people "freaks"? How is that better than referring to blacks by the n-word or using something equally offensive to refer to Jews?)

In passing, Beck compared being transgendered to being an alcoholic and also made a somewhat lengthier comparison to gays entering the priesthood.

(In fairness, Beck did stumble across an astute observation that he seemed to be illustrating, or trying to illustrate, with the gays-in-the-priesthood comparison: Sometimes -- and, yes, this is true -- transgendered people put up the "front" of being normal, either to hide their status from others, to deny it within themselves or to try to stamp out their true nature, or some combination thereof, by such things as marrying, having children -- not that transgendered people can't do that, by the way, but it can be used as a form of denial -- and, in the case of male-to-female transgendered people, entering stereotypically macho fields such as the military or police work... Well, shoot. With bigotry still rife, it's little wonder why transgendered people would feel compelled to do such things.)

Beck mockingly spoke of others writing in about how hateful he was being, even creating or imitating a keyboard clackity-clack sound. Well, yes. But do you have any inkling why that might be, Glenn?

To top off this foolishness, Beck took a call from someone who claimed to have once been transgendered but to have been "cured" by Jesus. Fortunately, this caller didn't get much time to proselytize, perhaps because Glenn Beck was so caught up in his own agenda.

It sickens me to realize that, according to Beck's own website, his show is heard on 202 affiliate radio stations in 47 states and the District of Columbia as well as on XM satellite radio, thus giving him a broad forum in which to spread this venom.

Most people recognize that racism is wrong. Although it sadly still exists and does still crop up on occasion, I feel it can be said that such things as Jim Crow, lynch mobs, poll taxes, "Bull" Connor and the like are mainly just bad memories from the past (kindly correct me if I'm wrong; I mean no offense, by the way) while the Ku Klux Klan and its ilk are effectively marginalized. This is as it should be, in my opinion.

But every year, people are murdered because of their real or perceived gender identity. And anti-transgender discrimination is still rife in areas such as employment. (For example, a San Francisco Department of Public Health study from 1999 found abnormally high unemployment rates amongst the transgendered.) No wonder some transgendered people resort to sex work -- they have to in order to survive!

Additionally, arguably unlike blacks (although I realize some may challenge that assertion; if so, have at it), transgendered people are still subject to sensationalist (ratings-grabbing?) exploitation by the likes of Jerry Springer and his ilk, and denunciations from right-wing preachers who like to pretend they know what they're talking about but don't. Furthermore, in recent years, from Maine to Illinois to California and from Allentown, PA, to Dearborn Heights, Mich., politicians have passed anti-discrimination laws covering the transgendered, only to have them denounced or challenged by members of the religious right.

So Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's comments weren't likely to sway many people, in my opinion, as most people correctly realize how wrong-headed racism is. But there is still a lot of ignorance out there regarding transgender issues and playing to listeners' transphobia, as I felt Glenn Beck did, has the potential to do grave harm.

Doug "Greaseman" Tracht was suspended and then fired for his Lauryn Hill comment. Will Glenn Beck be suspended and fired for his anti-transgender commentary?

Speaking of Jerry Springer, I felt Glenn Beck's coverage of the issue was like the Springer show without Springer's redeeming virtues (such as they are), such as the final thought and the pretense Jerry Springer sometimes has of being sensitive and socially-conscious.

There is no rule saying that broadcasters need be insensitive when discussing this topic. Larry King covered transgendered people a couple of weeks back on national television and radio (to wit, CNN) and, while I'm not convinced he's terribly knowledgeable about the subject, I felt he generally handled it with his usual dignity and class. Listeners, IMHO, were likely to come away with a greater understanding of the subject at hand.

Sadly, the same did not apply to Glenn Beck's show this morning.

P.S. -- I'm going to be still more brave and re-post this to the Coast-To-Coast and the XM satellite radio boards, as I think it's relevant.

(Forgive me, please, board moderators, if I've somehow made an inappropriate post. I do see beforehand how this can stir controversy, but, if folks handle this topic with the requisite dignity and respect, that would not necessarily be a bad thing. Note again that I am NOT setting out to flame Glenn Beck himself, per se. His on-air comments and presentation this morning, however, I have found to be vile and utterly reprehensible ... Also, by the way, this is not representative of future posts I intend to make on these boards; I've been participating here for several years, so for better or worse, folks here know what kind of posts I usually make.)



References:

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13978953.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance

http://www.gender.org/remember/day/

http://www.glennbeck.com/affiliates/index.shtml

http://www.blackjournalism.com/shock.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Tracht

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cach...racht+++"Lauryn+Hill&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/07/24/state2139EDT0271.DTL


http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2003/07/25/4

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=cftg-02-02#S5.1X

www.lynnconway.com, also found at http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/conway.html
 
Re: Glenn Beck's insensitive comments and transphobia on his talk show (heard on XM as well as 202 terrestrial radio stations)

Hey moron....this is a radio board. Not a radical board, not pushing an agenda or gender board. You have the right not to like a talk show host but your wedging it with your agenda, and I happen to fully agree with Mr. Beck.
I don't care if your angry what some talk show said today or 4 years ago....too bad. DON'T LISTEN!
Go to a porn or S&M site to express your perversive mind. This is a not a porn site. Just because your lover got a sex change, doesn't mean you come on here and rant and rave what's been disturbing American's for years. And the nerve to defend this topic with relation to children. I'll tell that to your face. I totally disagree with you, but what gets me is that you have the nerve to promulgate your agenda, which is uncalled for on a satellite board.
Before everyone else catches on to read this, I hope this post is deleted, so you don't end up successfully encouraging other readers and postees to get a sex change.
Yeh, your brave all right. I would rather read about a restaurant with a health code problem. Not this crap.

> I'm going to be brave here and weigh in on a topic or two I
> don't normally talk about on these radio boards.
>
> Then again, being the Sirius satellite radio fan that I am,
> it's not often these days that I tune into AM radio
> talk-show programs. So, this morning, I was obviously in the
> wrong place at the wrong time. I heard Glenn Beck's talk
> show program on WTAG Worcester (Mass.) and was appalled and
> outraged by what I heard.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I'm not the sort to go flaming people on
> these boards. That's not my style. But Beck's comments and
> presentation regarding a particular subject were absolutely
> horrible, in my opinion. Not only did they show ignorance
> but also they had the potential to do great harm to certain
> people.
>
> Let's put this in perspective, shall we? Doug "Greaseman"
> Tracht is a Washington, DC, area DJ who has generated
> controversy over the years for racially insensitive
> comments. In 1986 he said of the Martin Luther King, Jr.,
> Day holiday, "Kill four more and we can take a whole week
> off." Then, in 1999, referring both to that year's upcoming
> Grammy awards ceremony and a then-current court homicide
> case involving a hate crime in Jasper, Texas, he played a
> Lauryn Hill track (she was nominated for 10 Grammies that
> year) and then said, "No wonder they drag them behind
> trucks" (or something to that effect).
>
> Today, Glenn Beck weighed in on transgendered issues,
> demonstrating both his bigotry and his ignorance regarding
> the subject.
>
> It could be argued that Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's Lauryn
> Hill comment was relatively (and mercifully) brief. But
> Glenn Beck went on for the better part of an hour with his
> anti-transgender nonsense. (I tuned out before the hour was
> over but I heard a good portion of Beck's rant.) (By the
> way, I'll return to Doug "Greaseman" Tracht momentarily
> before I'm finished writing this post.)
>
> Beck's "news peg" was apparently the case of Lily McBeth, a
> 71-year-old teacher who is returning to the classroom in New
> Jersey following sex reassignment surgery (SRS). Beck
> addressed (pandered to?) the fears of parents but did
> absolutely nothing, in my opinion, to address reasons why
> these fears might or might not (in my opinion, for what
> that's worth) be valid.
>
> Beck questioned whether parents would want their second
> graders learning that their teacher is transgendered. Well,
> the reality is that transgendered people do exist (and,
> might I add, frequently need to earn livings just like
> anyone else) and that it can not and will not turn a
> second-grader who is not transgendered into a transgendered
> person just because they might learn that such people do
> exist. (Also, yes, there have been case histories of kids --
> known as "primary transsexuals" -- figuring out at ages as
> young as three that they are such, although some actually
> remain silent about that until adulthood. It's arguably
> doubtful that the presence or absence of a transgendered
> teacher in the classroom will make much difference one way
> or another, in the long run, where such kids are concerned,
> so far as them eventually figuring out who they are.)
>
> Beck gratuitously discussed seeing a non-passable
> "eight-foot" transgendered person in the grocery at 9 PM.
> Well, okay, some transgendered people don't pass very well,
> but that's no reason to mock them, nor is it reason to
> ignore the fact that some transgendered people DO pass so
> well they sometimes blend into the proverbial woodwork.
>
> The radio host stumbled over pronouns, mistakenly calling
> McBeth "he" on occasion. But certain other comments really
> stick out in my memory (and my proverbial "craw").
>
> Beck made an inflammatory comment to the effect of, "I don't
> think anyone chooses to be a freak." (Now, wait a bleeping
> minute, he called transgendered people "freaks"? How is that
> better than referring to blacks by the n-word or using
> something equally offensive to refer to Jews?)
>
> In passing, Beck compared being transgendered to being an
> alcoholic and also made a somewhat lengthier comparison to
> gays entering the priesthood.
>
> (In fairness, Beck did stumble across an astute observation
> that he seemed to be illustrating, or trying to illustrate,
> with the gays-in-the-priesthood comparison: Sometimes --
> and, yes, this is true -- transgendered people put up the
> "front" of being normal, either to hide their status from
> others, to deny it within themselves or to try to stamp out
> their true nature, or some combination thereof, by such
> things as marrying, having children -- not that
> transgendered people can't do that, by the way, but it can
> be used as a form of denial -- and, in the case of
> male-to-female transgendered people, entering
> stereotypically macho fields such as the military or police
> work... Well, shoot. With bigotry still rife, it's little
> wonder why transgendered people would feel compelled to do
> such things.)
>
> Beck mockingly spoke of others writing in about how hateful
> he was being, even creating or imitating a keyboard
> clackity-clack sound. Well, yes. But do you have any inkling
> why that might be, Glenn?
>
> To top off this foolishness, Beck took a call from someone
> who claimed to have once been transgendered but to have been
> "cured" by Jesus. Fortunately, this caller didn't get much
> time to proselytize, perhaps because Glenn Beck was so
> caught up in his own agenda.
>
> It sickens me to realize that, according to Beck's own
> website, his show is heard on 202 affiliate radio stations
> in 47 states and the District of Columbia as well as on XM
> satellite radio, thus giving him a broad forum in which to
> spread this venom.
>
> Most people recognize that racism is wrong. Although it
> sadly still exists and does still crop up on occasion, I
> feel it can be said that such things as Jim Crow, lynch
> mobs, poll taxes, "Bull" Connor and the like are mainly just
> bad memories from the past (kindly correct me if I'm wrong;
> I mean no offense, by the way) while the Ku Klux Klan and
> its ilk are effectively marginalized. This is as it should
> be, in my opinion.
>
> But every year, people are murdered because of their real or
> perceived gender identity. And anti-transgender
> discrimination is still rife in areas such as employment.
> (For example, a San Francisco Department of Public Health
> study from 1999 found abnormally high unemployment rates
> amongst the transgendered.) No wonder some transgendered
> people resort to sex work -- they have to in order to
> survive!
>
> Additionally, arguably unlike blacks (although I realize
> some may challenge that assertion; if so, have at it),
> transgendered people are still subject to sensationalist
> (ratings-grabbing?) exploitation by the likes of Jerry
> Springer and his ilk, and denunciations from right-wing
> preachers who like to pretend they know what they're talking
> about but don't. Furthermore, in recent years, from Maine to
> Illinois to California and from Allentown, PA, to Dearborn
> Heights, Mich., politicians have passed anti-discrimination
> laws covering the transgendered, only to have them denounced
> or challenged by members of the religious right.
>
> So Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's comments weren't likely to sway
> many people, in my opinion, as most people correctly realize
> how wrong-headed racism is. But there is still a lot of
> ignorance out there regarding transgender issues and playing
> to listeners' transphobia, as I felt Glenn Beck did, has the
> potential to do grave harm.
>
> Doug "Greaseman" Tracht was suspended and then fired for his
> Lauryn Hill comment. Will Glenn Beck be suspended and fired
> for his anti-transgender commentary?
>
> Speaking of Jerry Springer, I felt Glenn Beck's coverage of
> the issue was like the Springer show without Springer's
> redeeming virtues (such as they are), such as the final
> thought and the pretense Jerry Springer sometimes has of
> being sensitive and socially-conscious.
>
> There is no rule saying that broadcasters need be
> insensitive when discussing this topic. Larry King covered
> transgendered people a couple of weeks back on national
> television and radio (to wit, CNN) and, while I'm not
> convinced he's terribly knowledgeable about the subject, I
> felt he generally handled it with his usual dignity and
> class. Listeners, IMHO, were likely to come away with a
> greater understanding of the subject at hand.
>
> Sadly, the same did not apply to Glenn Beck's show this
> morning.
>
> P.S. -- I'm going to be still more brave and re-post this to
> the Coast-To-Coast and the XM satellite radio boards, as I
> think it's relevant.
>
> (Forgive me, please, board moderators, if I've somehow made
> an inappropriate post. I do see beforehand how this can stir
> controversy, but, if folks handle this topic with the
> requisite dignity and respect, that would not necessarily be
> a bad thing. Note again that I am NOT setting out to flame
> Glenn Beck himself, per se. His on-air comments and
> presentation this morning, however, I have found to be vile
> and utterly reprehensible ... Also, by the way, this is not
> representative of future posts I intend to make on these
> boards; I've been participating here for several years, so
> for better or worse, folks here know what kind of posts I
> usually make.)
>
>
>
> References:
>
> http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13978953.htm
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance
>
>
> http://www.gender.org/remember/day/
>
> http://www.glennbeck.com/affiliates/index.shtml
>
> http://www.blackjournalism.com/shock.htm
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Tracht
>
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:nscfdLTH68IJ:blues.about.com/library/weekly/aa030499.htm> +Doug+%2B+Tracht+%2B+%22Lauryn+Hill&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
>
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin> /article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/07/24/state2139EDT0271.DTL
>
>
>
> http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2003/07/25/4
>
> http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=cftg-02-02#S5.1X
>
> www.lynnconway.com, also found at
> http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/conway.html
>
 
Re: Glenn Beck's insensitive comments and transphobia on his talk show (heard on XM as well as 202 terrestrial radio stations)

Must've been a HOOT! I'm sorry that I missed it.
 
Glenn Beck's on-air comments are relevant to a radio board and have potential to do great harm; my reply

Apco25's post was a flame, IMHO.

I'll ignore, however, the personal elements of this in my reply.

This is a relevant topic that raises issues involving radio ethics, amongst other things. And it's too important a topic not to discuss, again IMHO.

Here are several facts, as well as some relevant opinions.

1.) Yes, this is a radio board.

2.) Glenn Beck is a radio host.

3.) Glenn Beck's show is heard on 202 radio stations in 47 states plus the District of Columbia, and also on XM satellite radio. In other words, his comments were widely distributed.

4.) Glenn Beck yesterday, on the R-A-D-I-O, made comments that I felt were hurtful and harmful. (And, yes, I don't have to listen if I don't want to. And, yes, you too are entitled to your opinion. And no one I know of is forcing you to read this.)

5.) Glenn Beck inarguably wedged his radio show with his own agenda. He involved or tried to involve his radio listeners in this. Well, it worked -- we're discussing the comments he made on the r-a-d-i-o -- just not necessarily in the way he specifically intended.

6.) Some of the people Glenn Beck was referring to are murdered every year because of who they are. Some of them can't find jobs. In the 1997 San Francisco Department of Public Health Study (the results of which were issued in 1999), significant minorities of that city's transgender population reported problems in obtainin health care or housing. It is apparent that transphobia is or can be a root cause of these things.

7.) One can, at the very least, debate the ethics and morals of comments Glenn Beck made on the radio that could potentially incite further murders and/or keep certain people from obtaining jobs, housing or health care.

8.) Glenn Beck's comments would, in my opinion, be deemed offensive were they applied to racial minorities or women. (Consider, for example, the following patently offensive statements: "Women are freaks." Or, "Jews are like alcoholics." Such statements are no less offensive when applied to transgendered people.)

9.) Some people apparently confuse sexuality and gender when considering the transgendered. They jump to the conclusion that this involves sexuality at its core when it doesn't necessarily do so. This may be a big part of the problem. (Sexuality is a different concept from gender identity and expression; the two intersect but do not coincide.)

10.) This topic has zero to do with porn or S&M. It does, however, have everything to do with such things as THE ETHICS OF RADIO (all caps for emphasis) as well as crime prevention, employment discrimination, a fair and just society and making sure people are treated right.

11.) If this topic makes you uncomfortable, you will be happy to learn that one or more moderators has/have summarily deleted it from the Boston board, and has/have moved it from the Coast-To-Coast board (where I cross-posted it) to the Off The Air board. (Check there for more on the subject.)

12.) The Harry Benjamin Standards of Care, which are the official guidelines used by medical and mental health care providers working with the transgendered, ensure that a sex change is not something undertaken easily or lightly. This generally takes a long time and a lot of effort to work through. It is impossible that someone, whether child or adult, is going to read a post about this on a radio board (or meet a second grade teacher for that matter), say, "Gee, you know, I sure would like a sex change," and go (or have mom or dad take him or her) to the doctor to ask for a sex change, and the doctor replies, "I have an opening next Tuesday at 2:30 PM; we'll do your surgery then." In the real world, things do not work that way.

This is a complicated issue to be sure. And, yes, it's one that confuses a lot of people.

To the extent that it is discussed on the air (or, speaking hypothetically, is an issue in radio workplaces), it's extremely relevant to this board, as well as several others on this site. (This post/thread could, in my opinion, have credibly gone on the following boards -- note that WTAG Worcester probably makes it into neighboring states: Boston, Connecticut, Providence, Northern New England, Coast To Coast, XM and news/talk, as well as (in some moderator's estimation, anyway) the off the air board.

Again, here is a core question worth returning to. Should any radio host or air talent make comments that could be hurtful to members of a minority group, especially when such comments could put such people's lives in jeopardy? (And make no mistake about it, transgendered people are in a minority; that you might not understand what it's about doesn't undercut that any less.)

And if you doubt what I say, check again the Day of Remembrance website and Wikipedia transphobia articles. (These aren't porno websites, nor are they anything close to porno, although the former does sadly recount acts of violence.)

Here, for your edification, are accounts of recent gender-related violence, all in or near geographic areas where Glenn Beck's show is broadcast. These accounts are excerpted from the Day of Remembrance site. See http://www.gender.org/remember/day/who.html ...

I've taken the liberty of noting which local or nearby stations broadcast Beck's show. I am NOT at all saying Beck is in any way, shape or fashion responsible for these particular acts of violence (which would be an illogical and scurrilous argument); I am, however, suggesting that such violence is possible in those communities served by radio stations broadcasting Beck's show and he might do well to be more sensitive where this subject is concerned.

When such violence is possible, as it is, then is it not irresponsible for radio announcers to risk inciting said violence with insensitive comments?

*****

Ryan Shey Hoskie
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico (Glenn Beck show broadcast on KYLZ-FM Albuquerque.)
Cause of Death: Undetermined; body did show signs of upper body trauma.
Date of Death: December 27, 2004
Notes: If you have any information on this murder, please call the Albuquerque Police Department at (505) 843-STOP.
Hoskie was a sex worker in Albuquerque, New Mexico. On the morning of December 27, 2004, Hoskie's partially-undressed body was discovered in an alley.

Ronnie Paris, Jr.
Location: Tampa, Florida (Glenn Beck show broadcast on WFLA-AM Tampa.)
Cause of Death: Beaten to death by his father, Ronnie Paris, Sr.
Date of Death: January 28, 2005
Paris, a three year old, died from swelling on both sides of the brain caused by his father, Ronnie Paris, Sr. Paris Jr. had been slapped against the head numerous times, until the child went into a coma. The father did not want to 'raise a sissy,' as the child had seemingly not been masculine enough for the father.

Kasha Blue, aka Antonio Wright, aka Sydney
Location: Chicago, Illinois (Glenn Beck show broadcast on WKAN-AM in nearby Kankakee, Ill.)
Cause of Death: Stabbed
Date of Death: June 18, 2005
Kasha Blue was a hairstylist who lived as a woman and spent years working at a salon. Kasha Blue was heading to her car after getting off work at a nearby salon shortly after 9 p.m., when Michael Major allegedly heckled Antonio Wright about his partner. Words ensued, and Major pulled a knife, stabbing Kasha Blue in the chest. After the stabbing, Major was heard to say, “I got (BLEEP) blood on me” before running down an alley.

Kaaseem Adalla Juanda
Location: Glenwood, Iowa (Glenn Beck show broadcast on KFAB-AM in nearby Omaha.)
Cause of Death: Shot
Date of Death: October 17, 2005
Notes: If you have any information on this murder, please contact the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation at (712) 322-1585 or the Mills County Sheriff’s Office at (712) 527-4871.
Juanda was a 60 year old, post-operative transsexual woman who had been living in Kansas City, Kansas. On October 17, 2005, her body was found near a rest stop on Interstate 29 outside of Glenwood, Iowa. There was initially some suspicion that her death was a suicide, but additional details have caused police to suspect a homicide.

Timothy Blair, Jr.
Location: Louisville, Kentucky (Glenn Beck show broadcast on WKJK-AM Louisville)
Cause of Death: Shot multiple times
Date of Death: May 22, 2005
Notes: If you have any information on this murder, please contact Louisville Metro Police spokesman at (502) 574-LMPD.
Blair, a 19 year old crossdresser, died from multiple gunshot wounds. It is believed that Blair met their killer in an Internet chat room.

Donathyn J. Rodgers
Location: Cleveland, Ohio (Glenn Beck show broadcast by WHLO-AM Cleveland/Akron and by WMAN-AM Cleveland/Mansfield.)
Cause of Death: Shot multiple times
Date of Death: November 15, 2005
Notes: If you have any information on this murder, please contact homicide detectives at (216) 623-5464
Rodgers identified as a male to female transsexual, and had participated in events at the Lesbian-Gay Community Service Center of Greater Cleveland. Rodgers was also a sex worker, and was working near Max Hayes High in the early morning hours of November 15th. She was shot in the head by one of two assialiants, and when she ran, she was shot several additional times.

*****

Afterthought: Yes, a couple of the subjects in the above list had been sex workers. But remember that many transgendered people encounter employment discrimination in more conventional fields. Again, being transgendered itself is about gender identity and expression, not sexuality per se.

I'm not convinced the above examples are necessarily the most colorful examples. Sadly, the website that is my source listed dozens if not hundreds more such cases.


> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance
>
> >
> >
> > http://www.gender.org/remember/day/

http://www.glennbeck.com/affiliates/index.shtml
 
Re: Glenn Beck's insensitive comments and transphobia on his talk show (heard on XM as well as 202 terrestrial radio stations)

> Hey moron....this is a radio board. Not a radical board, not
> pushing an agenda or gender board. You have the right not to
> like a talk show host but your wedging it with your agenda,
> and I happen to fully agree with Mr. Beck.
> I don't care if your angry what some talk show said today or
> 4 years ago....too bad. DON'T LISTEN!
> Go to a porn or S&M site to express your perversive mind.
> This is a not a porn site. Just because your lover got a sex
> change, doesn't mean you come on here and rant and rave
> what's been disturbing American's for years. And the nerve
> to defend this topic with relation to children. I'll tell
> that to your face. I totally disagree with you, but what
> gets me is that you have the nerve to promulgate your
> agenda, which is uncalled for on a satellite board.
> Before everyone else catches on to read this, I hope this
> post is deleted, so you don't end up successfully
> encouraging other readers and postees to get a sex change.
> Yeh, your brave all right. I would rather read about a
> restaurant with a health code problem. Not this crap.
>
> > I'm going to be brave here and weigh in on a topic or two
> I
> > don't normally talk about on these radio boards.
> >
> > Then again, being the Sirius satellite radio fan that I
> am,
> > it's not often these days that I tune into AM radio
> > talk-show programs. So, this morning, I was obviously in
> the
> > wrong place at the wrong time. I heard Glenn Beck's talk
> > show program on WTAG Worcester (Mass.) and was appalled
> and
> > outraged by what I heard.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong. I'm not the sort to go flaming people
> on
> > these boards. That's not my style. But Beck's comments and
>
> > presentation regarding a particular subject were
> absolutely
> > horrible, in my opinion. Not only did they show ignorance
> > but also they had the potential to do great harm to
> certain
> > people.
> >
> > Let's put this in perspective, shall we? Doug "Greaseman"
> > Tracht is a Washington, DC, area DJ who has generated
> > controversy over the years for racially insensitive
> > comments. In 1986 he said of the Martin Luther King, Jr.,
> > Day holiday, "Kill four more and we can take a whole week
> > off." Then, in 1999, referring both to that year's
> upcoming
> > Grammy awards ceremony and a then-current court homicide
> > case involving a hate crime in Jasper, Texas, he played a
> > Lauryn Hill track (she was nominated for 10 Grammies that
> > year) and then said, "No wonder they drag them behind
> > trucks" (or something to that effect).
> >
> > Today, Glenn Beck weighed in on transgendered issues,
> > demonstrating both his bigotry and his ignorance regarding
>
> > the subject.
> >
> > It could be argued that Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's Lauryn
> > Hill comment was relatively (and mercifully) brief. But
> > Glenn Beck went on for the better part of an hour with his
>
> > anti-transgender nonsense. (I tuned out before the hour
> was
> > over but I heard a good portion of Beck's rant.) (By the
> > way, I'll return to Doug "Greaseman" Tracht momentarily
> > before I'm finished writing this post.)
> >
> > Beck's "news peg" was apparently the case of Lily McBeth,
> a
> > 71-year-old teacher who is returning to the classroom in
> New
> > Jersey following sex reassignment surgery (SRS). Beck
> > addressed (pandered to?) the fears of parents but did
> > absolutely nothing, in my opinion, to address reasons why
> > these fears might or might not (in my opinion, for what
> > that's worth) be valid.
> >
> > Beck questioned whether parents would want their second
> > graders learning that their teacher is transgendered.
> Well,
> > the reality is that transgendered people do exist (and,
> > might I add, frequently need to earn livings just like
> > anyone else) and that it can not and will not turn a
> > second-grader who is not transgendered into a
> transgendered
> > person just because they might learn that such people do
> > exist. (Also, yes, there have been case histories of kids
> --
> > known as "primary transsexuals" -- figuring out at ages as
>
> > young as three that they are such, although some actually
> > remain silent about that until adulthood. It's arguably
> > doubtful that the presence or absence of a transgendered
> > teacher in the classroom will make much difference one way
>
> > or another, in the long run, where such kids are
> concerned,
> > so far as them eventually figuring out who they are.)
> >
> > Beck gratuitously discussed seeing a non-passable
> > "eight-foot" transgendered person in the grocery at 9 PM.
> > Well, okay, some transgendered people don't pass very
> well,
> > but that's no reason to mock them, nor is it reason to
> > ignore the fact that some transgendered people DO pass so
> > well they sometimes blend into the proverbial woodwork.
> >
> > The radio host stumbled over pronouns, mistakenly calling
> > McBeth "he" on occasion. But certain other comments really
>
> > stick out in my memory (and my proverbial "craw").
> >
> > Beck made an inflammatory comment to the effect of, "I
> don't
> > think anyone chooses to be a freak." (Now, wait a bleeping
>
> > minute, he called transgendered people "freaks"? How is
> that
> > better than referring to blacks by the n-word or using
> > something equally offensive to refer to Jews?)
> >
> > In passing, Beck compared being transgendered to being an
> > alcoholic and also made a somewhat lengthier comparison to
>
> > gays entering the priesthood.
> >
> > (In fairness, Beck did stumble across an astute
> observation
> > that he seemed to be illustrating, or trying to
> illustrate,
> > with the gays-in-the-priesthood comparison: Sometimes --
> > and, yes, this is true -- transgendered people put up the
> > "front" of being normal, either to hide their status from
> > others, to deny it within themselves or to try to stamp
> out
> > their true nature, or some combination thereof, by such
> > things as marrying, having children -- not that
> > transgendered people can't do that, by the way, but it can
>
> > be used as a form of denial -- and, in the case of
> > male-to-female transgendered people, entering
> > stereotypically macho fields such as the military or
> police
> > work... Well, shoot. With bigotry still rife, it's little
> > wonder why transgendered people would feel compelled to do
>
> > such things.)
> >
> > Beck mockingly spoke of others writing in about how
> hateful
> > he was being, even creating or imitating a keyboard
> > clackity-clack sound. Well, yes. But do you have any
> inkling
> > why that might be, Glenn?
> >
> > To top off this foolishness, Beck took a call from someone
>
> > who claimed to have once been transgendered but to have
> been
> > "cured" by Jesus. Fortunately, this caller didn't get much
>
> > time to proselytize, perhaps because Glenn Beck was so
> > caught up in his own agenda.
> >
> > It sickens me to realize that, according to Beck's own
> > website, his show is heard on 202 affiliate radio stations
>
> > in 47 states and the District of Columbia as well as on XM
>
> > satellite radio, thus giving him a broad forum in which to
>
> > spread this venom.
> >
> > Most people recognize that racism is wrong. Although it
> > sadly still exists and does still crop up on occasion, I
> > feel it can be said that such things as Jim Crow, lynch
> > mobs, poll taxes, "Bull" Connor and the like are mainly
> just
> > bad memories from the past (kindly correct me if I'm
> wrong;
> > I mean no offense, by the way) while the Ku Klux Klan and
> > its ilk are effectively marginalized. This is as it should
>
> > be, in my opinion.
> >
> > But every year, people are murdered because of their real
> or
> > perceived gender identity. And anti-transgender
> > discrimination is still rife in areas such as employment.
> > (For example, a San Francisco Department of Public Health
> > study from 1999 found abnormally high unemployment rates
> > amongst the transgendered.) No wonder some transgendered
> > people resort to sex work -- they have to in order to
> > survive!
> >
> > Additionally, arguably unlike blacks (although I realize
> > some may challenge that assertion; if so, have at it),
> > transgendered people are still subject to sensationalist
> > (ratings-grabbing?) exploitation by the likes of Jerry
> > Springer and his ilk, and denunciations from right-wing
> > preachers who like to pretend they know what they're
> talking
> > about but don't. Furthermore, in recent years, from Maine
> to
> > Illinois to California and from Allentown, PA, to Dearborn
>
> > Heights, Mich., politicians have passed
> anti-discrimination
> > laws covering the transgendered, only to have them
> denounced
> > or challenged by members of the religious right.
> >
> > So Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's comments weren't likely to
> sway
> > many people, in my opinion, as most people correctly
> realize
> > how wrong-headed racism is. But there is still a lot of
> > ignorance out there regarding transgender issues and
> playing
> > to listeners' transphobia, as I felt Glenn Beck did, has
> the
> > potential to do grave harm.
> >
> > Doug "Greaseman" Tracht was suspended and then fired for
> his
> > Lauryn Hill comment. Will Glenn Beck be suspended and
> fired
> > for his anti-transgender commentary?
> >
> > Speaking of Jerry Springer, I felt Glenn Beck's coverage
> of
> > the issue was like the Springer show without Springer's
> > redeeming virtues (such as they are), such as the final
> > thought and the pretense Jerry Springer sometimes has of
> > being sensitive and socially-conscious.
> >
> > There is no rule saying that broadcasters need be
> > insensitive when discussing this topic. Larry King covered
>
> > transgendered people a couple of weeks back on national
> > television and radio (to wit, CNN) and, while I'm not
> > convinced he's terribly knowledgeable about the subject, I
>
> > felt he generally handled it with his usual dignity and
> > class. Listeners, IMHO, were likely to come away with a
> > greater understanding of the subject at hand.
> >
> > Sadly, the same did not apply to Glenn Beck's show this
> > morning.
> >
> > P.S. -- I'm going to be still more brave and re-post this
> to
> > the Coast-To-Coast and the XM satellite radio boards, as I
>
> > think it's relevant.
> >
> > (Forgive me, please, board moderators, if I've somehow
> made
> > an inappropriate post. I do see beforehand how this can
> stir
> > controversy, but, if folks handle this topic with the
> > requisite dignity and respect, that would not necessarily
> be
> > a bad thing. Note again that I am NOT setting out to flame
>
> > Glenn Beck himself, per se. His on-air comments and
> > presentation this morning, however, I have found to be
> vile
> > and utterly reprehensible ... Also, by the way, this is
> not
> > representative of future posts I intend to make on these
> > boards; I've been participating here for several years, so
>
> > for better or worse, folks here know what kind of posts I
> > usually make.)
> >
> >
> >
> > References:
> >
> > http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13978953.htm
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance
>
> >
> >
> > http://www.gender.org/remember/day/
> >
> > http://www.glennbeck.com/affiliates/index.shtml
> >
> > http://www.blackjournalism.com/shock.htm
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Tracht
> >
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cac> he:nscfdLTH68IJ:blues.about.com/library/weekly/aa030499.htm>
> +Doug+%2B+Tracht+%2B+%22Lauryn+Hill&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
>
> >
> >
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin>
> /article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/07/24/state2139EDT0271.DTL
>
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2003/07/25/4
> >
> > http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=cftg-02-02#S5.1X
> >
> > www.lynnconway.com, also found at
> > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/conway.html
> >
>

Umm...looks like you're the one with the agenda.
 
Re: Glenn Beck

As a regular Glenn Beck listener, I fail to see how anything he said would incite violence against anyone. Beck's show contains a lot of sarcasm and humor. And since it is "The Glenn Beck Program" he is perfectly entitled to express his own "agenda" on any given issue. Apparently, plenty of people want to hear his "agenda". If you don't, change the channel!
 
Re: Glenn Beck's on-air comments are relevant to a radio board and have potential to do great harm; my reply

> Apco25's post was a flame, IMHO.
>

My response is not a flame. It's a plain angry response.
I wish you never went on this board. It seems like at the top of the hat you pick this subject or topic which is very disturbing, thinking most of us are going to sympathize with you.

First question without being funny, are you a transexual yourself? The reason I asked because of all the problems this country faces in the world today....it's even freakier that someone would post over 2 days worth of paragraphs that most people don't want to dwell on. Let's read on.....
>
>
> This is a relevant topic that raises issues involving radio
> ethics, amongst other things. And it's too important a topic
> not to discuss, again IMHO.
>
> Here are several facts, as well as some relevant opinions.
>
> 1.) Yes, this is a radio board.
>
> 2.) Glenn Beck is a radio host.
>
> 3.) Glenn Beck's show is heard on 202 radio stations in 47
> states plus the District of Columbia, and also on XM
> satellite radio. In other words, his comments were widely
> distributed.
>
And he has every right to. Even if I agreed with you on this sick issue.


> 4.) Glenn Beck yesterday, on the R-A-D-I-O, made comments
> that I felt were hurtful and harmful. (And, yes, I don't
> have to listen if I don't want to. And, yes, you too are
> entitled to your opinion. And no one I know of is forcing
> you to read this.)
>
These people are hurtful and deviant to society. Today's children and teenagers are all ready facing a sexual role identity crisis. Without an operation.

> 5.) Glenn Beck inarguably wedged his radio show with his own
> agenda. He involved or tried to involve his radio listeners
> in this. Well, it worked -- we're discussing the comments he
> made on the r-a-d-i-o -- just not necessarily in the way he
> specifically intended.
>

I didn't listen to the broadcast......but would do you think his job is as a talk show host.....not to take sides, or make opinions. He has the right to bring this topic into any direction it may take.


> 6.) Some of the people Glenn Beck was referring to are
> murdered every year because of who they are. Some of them
> can't find jobs. In the 1997 San Francisco Department of
> Public Health Study (the results of which were issued in
> 1999), significant minorities of that city's transgender
> population reported problems in obtainin health care or
> housing. It is apparent that transphobia is or can be a root
> cause of these things.
>

Oh really, did you know that the city of San Francisco will pay up to 70% for people who would want a sex change operation. Where does the funding come from?...City and County taxes. and I don't think I would want to have a neighbor like that. So much you know about support.
There's alot of straight normal beautiful people with brains who are murdered. Or missing. And there's more of that. But that doesn't matter....because their normal.


> 7.) One can, at the very least, debate the ethics and morals
> of comments Glenn Beck made on the radio that could
> potentially incite further murders and/or keep certain
> people from obtaining jobs, housing or health care.
>

To be honest with you, I find it frightening and very discouraging to be dating if these freaks were mixed in the middle of the mainstream. Of course I can refer to the Jerry Springer show. He's probably an idol of yours anyway.
Adding on, if I knew someone personally that got a change overnight, it would be on my mind for awhile. I probably wouldn't have the guts to ever want to see that person again. It's depressing. And shocking.


> 8.) Glenn Beck's comments would, in my opinion, be deemed
> offensive were they applied to racial minorities or women.
> (Consider, for example, the following patently offensive
> statements: "Women are freaks." Or, "Jews are like
> alcoholics." Such statements are no less offensive when
> applied to transgendered people.)
>

There you go, lets wedge the race card,minorities, women, how 'bout turtles? There slow as ketchup. And not one mention about Dinosaurs. Who cares if they would've eaten us all.. They have rights.

> 9.) Some people apparently confuse sexuality and gender when
> considering the transgendered. They jump to the conclusion
> that this involves sexuality at its core when it doesn't
> necessarily do so. This may be a big part of the problem.
> (Sexuality is a different concept from gender identity and
> expression; the two intersect but do not coincide.)

This is where it becomes psychiatric. I think they need mental care. Not an operation. There's ways tyo curve this. But that would be offending.
>

> 10.) This topic has zero to do with porn or S&M. It does,
> however, have everything to do with such things as THE
> ETHICS OF RADIO (all caps for emphasis) as well as crime
> prevention, employment discrimination, a fair and just
> society and making sure people are treated right.
>
I brought up porn because theres alot of straight perverts that go to these sights and draw up their sick fantasies.

> 11.) If this topic makes you uncomfortable, you will be
> happy to learn that one or more moderators has/have
> summarily deleted it from the Boston board, and has/have
> moved it from the Coast-To-Coast board (where I cross-posted
> it) to the Off The Air board. (Check there for more on the
> subject.)

Oh your a spammer. How many newspapers did you post this in? When's the next trans ralley. People like you just make this world a better place. Huh.
>
> 12.) The Harry Benjamin Standards of Care, which are the
> official guidelines used by medical and mental health care
> providers working with the transgendered, ensure that a sex
> change is not something undertaken easily or lightly. This
> generally takes a long time and a lot of effort to work
> through. It is impossible that someone, whether child or
> adult, is going to read a post about this on a radio board
> (or meet a second grade teacher for that matter), say, "Gee,
> you know, I sure would like a sex change," and go (or have
> mom or dad take him or her) to the doctor to ask for a sex
> change, and the doctor replies, "I have an opening next
> Tuesday at 2:30 PM; we'll do your surgery then." In the real
> world, things do not work that way.

I think your as sick as them....how many hours of research did you put into this? Especially for a radio board? Do you work? Or were you turn down because your a trans-supporter. LOLOLOLOL. I never seen anything like this. A guy or gal or both, mixed, mutt whatever actually writing a novel on this issue. Is this sick or what????
>
> This is a complicated issue to be sure. And, yes, it's one
> that confuses a lot of people.
>

What confuses me is the time you put into this. We have an energy crisis, we have industries eithier shutting down, shipping overseas, immigration and border crisis, port issues,unusual weather activities etc.....and we got an encylopedia on transexuals. What are they teaching you in college these days?


an>
To the extent that it is discussed on the air (or, speaking
> hypothetically, is an issue in radio workplaces), it's
> extremely relevant to this board, as well as several others
> on this site. (This post/thread could, in my opinion, have
> credibly gone on the following boards -- note that WTAG
> Worcester probably makes it into neighboring states: Boston,
> Connecticut, Providence, Northern New England, Coast To
> Coast, XM and news/talk, as well as (in some moderator's
> estimation, anyway) the off the air board.

I haven't read those boards, I think I read enough here. I hope someone finds you.
>
> Again, here is a core question worth returning to. Should
> any radio host or air talent make comments that could be
> hurtful to members of a minority group, especially when such
> comments could put such people's lives in jeopardy? (And
> make no mistake about it, transgendered people are in a
> minority; that you might not understand what it's about
> doesn't undercut that any less.)

The buck doesn't stop here....it continues with pussified men like you that continue to put the deviants out in the mainstream with your agenda. What's next to support are child molesters, beastiality, I know , they all have feelings and human beings. What your missing is that their behavior's not human.


And if you doubt what I say, check again the Day of
> Remembrance website and Wikipedia transphobia articles.
> (These aren't porno websites, nor are they anything close to
> porno, although the former does sadly recount acts of
> violence.)
>
> Here, for your edification, are accounts of recent
> gender-related violence, all in or near geographic areas
> where Glenn Beck's show is broadcast. These accounts are
> excerpted from the Day of Remembrance site. See
> http://www.gender.org/remember/day/who.html ...
>
> I've taken the liberty of noting which local or nearby
> stations broadcast Beck's show. I am NOT at all saying Beck
> is in any way, shape or fashion responsible for these
> particular acts of violence (which would be an illogical and
> scurrilous argument); I am, however, suggesting that such
> violence is possible in those communities served by radio
> stations broadcasting Beck's show and he might do well to be
> more sensitive where this subject is concerned.
>
> When such violence is possible, as it is, then is it not
> irresponsible for radio announcers to risk inciting said
> violence with insensitive comments?


Your obsessed. The bottom line is that people are threatened and freaked out in dealing with this issue. Most of us wish something like this would never exist or could be performed. Yes, we all want the perfect world. As close as it can be. If you don't take a stand , it only gets further. Now take your trumpet and play taps somewhere for theses deviants. Man....I can't believe I made it down this far. I'm as bad as you.
>
> *****
>
> Ryan Shey Hoskie
> Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico (Glenn Beck show broadcast
> on KYLZ-FM Albuquerque.)
> Cause of Death: Undetermined; body did show signs of upper
> body trauma.
> Date of Death: December 27, 2004
> Notes: If you have any information on this murder, please
> call the Albuquerque Police Department at (505) 843-STOP.
> Hoskie was a sex worker in Albuquerque, New Mexico. On the
> morning of December 27, 2004, Hoskie's partially-undressed
> body was discovered in an alley.
>
> Ronnie Paris, Jr.
> Location: Tampa, Florida (Glenn Beck show broadcast on
> WFLA-AM Tampa.)
> Cause of Death: Beaten to death by his father, Ronnie Paris,
> Sr.
> Date of Death: January 28, 2005
> Paris, a three year old, died from swelling on both sides of
> the brain caused by his father, Ronnie Paris, Sr. Paris Jr.
> had been slapped against the head numerous times, until the
> child went into a coma. The father did not want to 'raise a
> sissy,' as the child had seemingly not been masculine enough
> for the father.
>
> Kasha Blue, aka Antonio Wright, aka Sydney
> Location: Chicago, Illinois (Glenn Beck show broadcast on
> WKAN-AM in nearby Kankakee, Ill.)
> Cause of Death: Stabbed
> Date of Death: June 18, 2005
> Kasha Blue was a hairstylist who lived as a woman and spent
> years working at a salon. Kasha Blue was heading to her car
> after getting off work at a nearby salon shortly after 9
> p.m., when Michael Major allegedly heckled Antonio Wright
> about his partner. Words ensued, and Major pulled a knife,
> stabbing Kasha Blue in the chest. After the stabbing, Major
> was heard to say, “I got (BLEEP) blood on me” before running
> down an alley.
>
> Kaaseem Adalla Juanda
> Location: Glenwood, Iowa (Glenn Beck show broadcast on
> KFAB-AM in nearby Omaha.)
> Cause of Death: Shot
> Date of Death: October 17, 2005
> Notes: If you have any information on this murder, please
> contact the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation at (712)
> 322-1585 or the Mills County Sheriff’s Office at (712)
> 527-4871.
> Juanda was a 60 year old, post-operative transsexual woman
> who had been living in Kansas City, Kansas. On October 17,
> 2005, her body was found near a rest stop on Interstate 29
> outside of Glenwood, Iowa. There was initially some
> suspicion that her death was a suicide, but additional
> details have caused police to suspect a homicide.
>
> Timothy Blair, Jr.
> Location: Louisville, Kentucky (Glenn Beck show broadcast on
> WKJK-AM Louisville)
> Cause of Death: Shot multiple times
> Date of Death: May 22, 2005
> Notes: If you have any information on this murder, please
> contact Louisville Metro Police spokesman at (502) 574-LMPD.
>
> Blair, a 19 year old crossdresser, died from multiple
> gunshot wounds. It is believed that Blair met their killer
> in an Internet chat room.
>
> Donathyn J. Rodgers
> Location: Cleveland, Ohio (Glenn Beck show broadcast by
> WHLO-AM Cleveland/Akron and by WMAN-AM Cleveland/Mansfield.)
>
> Cause of Death: Shot multiple times
> Date of Death: November 15, 2005
> Notes: If you have any information on this murder, please
> contact homicide detectives at (216) 623-5464
> Rodgers identified as a male to female transsexual, and had
> participated in events at the Lesbian-Gay Community Service
> Center of Greater Cleveland. Rodgers was also a sex worker,
> and was working near Max Hayes High in the early morning
> hours of November 15th. She was shot in the head by one of
> two assialiants, and when she ran, she was shot several
> additional times.
>
> *****
>
> Afterthought: Yes, a couple of the subjects in the above
> list had been sex workers. But remember that many
> transgendered people encounter employment discrimination in
> more conventional fields. Again, being transgendered itself
> is about gender identity and expression, not sexuality per
> se.
>
> I'm not convinced the above examples are necessarily the
> most colorful examples. Sadly, the website that is my source
> listed dozens if not hundreds more such cases.
>
>
You sure convinced me to give up my oil, security, borders, jobs, etc...this is so much more important to worry and ponder about.

All you other readers....I'm taking donations, I'm taking donations, support our transexuals. Not our troops. Make your pledges to Cybelles own world com.
Were moving forward....to where I don't want to know. Not to get off subject.......please support clear channel radio.


> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.gender.org/remember/day/
>
> http://www.glennbeck.com/affiliates/index.shtml
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by apco25 on 03/02/06 03:53 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Glenn Beck's insensitive comments and transphobia on his talk show (heard on XM as well as 202 terrestrial radio stations)

> > Hey moron....this is a radio board. Not a radical board,
> not
> > pushing an agenda or gender board. You have the right not
> to
> > like a talk show host but your wedging it with your
> agenda,
> > and I happen to fully agree with Mr. Beck.
> > I don't care if your angry what some talk show said today
> or
> > 4 years ago....too bad. DON'T LISTEN!
> > Go to a porn or S&M site to express your perversive mind.
> > This is a not a porn site. Just because your lover got a
> sex
> > change, doesn't mean you come on here and rant and rave
> > what's been disturbing American's for years. And the nerve
>
> > to defend this topic with relation to children. I'll tell
>
> > that to your face. I totally disagree with you, but what
> > gets me is that you have the nerve to promulgate your
> > agenda, which is uncalled for on a satellite board.
> > Before everyone else catches on to read this, I hope this
> > post is deleted, so you don't end up successfully
> > encouraging other readers and postees to get a sex change.
>
> > Yeh, your brave all right. I would rather read about a
> > restaurant with a health code problem. Not this crap.
> >
> > > I'm going to be brave here and weigh in on a topic or
> two
> > I
> > > don't normally talk about on these radio boards.
> > >
> > > Then again, being the Sirius satellite radio fan that I
> > am,
> > > it's not often these days that I tune into AM radio
> > > talk-show programs. So, this morning, I was obviously in
>
> > the
> > > wrong place at the wrong time. I heard Glenn Beck's talk
>
> > > show program on WTAG Worcester (Mass.) and was appalled
> > and
> > > outraged by what I heard.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong. I'm not the sort to go flaming
> people
> > on
> > > these boards. That's not my style. But Beck's comments
> and
> >
> > > presentation regarding a particular subject were
> > absolutely
> > > horrible, in my opinion. Not only did they show
> ignorance
> > > but also they had the potential to do great harm to
> > certain
> > > people.
> > >
> > > Let's put this in perspective, shall we? Doug
> "Greaseman"
> > > Tracht is a Washington, DC, area DJ who has generated
> > > controversy over the years for racially insensitive
> > > comments. In 1986 he said of the Martin Luther King,
> Jr.,
> > > Day holiday, "Kill four more and we can take a whole
> week
> > > off." Then, in 1999, referring both to that year's
> > upcoming
> > > Grammy awards ceremony and a then-current court homicide
>
> > > case involving a hate crime in Jasper, Texas, he played
> a
> > > Lauryn Hill track (she was nominated for 10 Grammies
> that
> > > year) and then said, "No wonder they drag them behind
> > > trucks" (or something to that effect).
> > >
> > > Today, Glenn Beck weighed in on transgendered issues,
> > > demonstrating both his bigotry and his ignorance
> regarding
> >
> > > the subject.
> > >
> > > It could be argued that Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's Lauryn
>
> > > Hill comment was relatively (and mercifully) brief. But
> > > Glenn Beck went on for the better part of an hour with
> his
> >
> > > anti-transgender nonsense. (I tuned out before the hour
> > was
> > > over but I heard a good portion of Beck's rant.) (By the
>
> > > way, I'll return to Doug "Greaseman" Tracht momentarily
> > > before I'm finished writing this post.)
> > >
> > > Beck's "news peg" was apparently the case of Lily
> McBeth,
> > a
> > > 71-year-old teacher who is returning to the classroom in
>
> > New
> > > Jersey following sex reassignment surgery (SRS). Beck
> > > addressed (pandered to?) the fears of parents but did
> > > absolutely nothing, in my opinion, to address reasons
> why
> > > these fears might or might not (in my opinion, for what
> > > that's worth) be valid.
> > >
> > > Beck questioned whether parents would want their second
> > > graders learning that their teacher is transgendered.
> > Well,
> > > the reality is that transgendered people do exist (and,
> > > might I add, frequently need to earn livings just like
> > > anyone else) and that it can not and will not turn a
> > > second-grader who is not transgendered into a
> > transgendered
> > > person just because they might learn that such people do
>
> > > exist. (Also, yes, there have been case histories of
> kids
> > --
> > > known as "primary transsexuals" -- figuring out at ages
> as
> >
> > > young as three that they are such, although some
> actually
> > > remain silent about that until adulthood. It's arguably
> > > doubtful that the presence or absence of a transgendered
>
> > > teacher in the classroom will make much difference one
> way
> >
> > > or another, in the long run, where such kids are
> > concerned,
> > > so far as them eventually figuring out who they are.)
> > >
> > > Beck gratuitously discussed seeing a non-passable
> > > "eight-foot" transgendered person in the grocery at 9
> PM.
> > > Well, okay, some transgendered people don't pass very
> > well,
> > > but that's no reason to mock them, nor is it reason to
> > > ignore the fact that some transgendered people DO pass
> so
> > > well they sometimes blend into the proverbial woodwork.
>
> > >
> > > The radio host stumbled over pronouns, mistakenly
> calling
> > > McBeth "he" on occasion. But certain other comments
> really
> >
> > > stick out in my memory (and my proverbial "craw").
> > >
> > > Beck made an inflammatory comment to the effect of, "I
> > don't
> > > think anyone chooses to be a freak." (Now, wait a
> bleeping
> >
> > > minute, he called transgendered people "freaks"? How is
> > that
> > > better than referring to blacks by the n-word or using
> > > something equally offensive to refer to Jews?)
> > >
> > > In passing, Beck compared being transgendered to being
> an
> > > alcoholic and also made a somewhat lengthier comparison
> to
> >
> > > gays entering the priesthood.
> > >
> > > (In fairness, Beck did stumble across an astute
> > observation
> > > that he seemed to be illustrating, or trying to
> > illustrate,
> > > with the gays-in-the-priesthood comparison: Sometimes --
>
> > > and, yes, this is true -- transgendered people put up
> the
> > > "front" of being normal, either to hide their status
> from
> > > others, to deny it within themselves or to try to stamp
> > out
> > > their true nature, or some combination thereof, by such
> > > things as marrying, having children -- not that
> > > transgendered people can't do that, by the way, but it
> can
> >
> > > be used as a form of denial -- and, in the case of
> > > male-to-female transgendered people, entering
> > > stereotypically macho fields such as the military or
> > police
> > > work... Well, shoot. With bigotry still rife, it's
> little
> > > wonder why transgendered people would feel compelled to
> do
> >
> > > such things.)
> > >
> > > Beck mockingly spoke of others writing in about how
> > hateful
> > > he was being, even creating or imitating a keyboard
> > > clackity-clack sound. Well, yes. But do you have any
> > inkling
> > > why that might be, Glenn?
> > >
> > > To top off this foolishness, Beck took a call from
> someone
> >
> > > who claimed to have once been transgendered but to have
> > been
> > > "cured" by Jesus. Fortunately, this caller didn't get
> much
> >
> > > time to proselytize, perhaps because Glenn Beck was so
> > > caught up in his own agenda.
> > >
> > > It sickens me to realize that, according to Beck's own
> > > website, his show is heard on 202 affiliate radio
> stations
> >
> > > in 47 states and the District of Columbia as well as on
> XM
> >
> > > satellite radio, thus giving him a broad forum in which
> to
> >
> > > spread this venom.
> > >
> > > Most people recognize that racism is wrong. Although it
> > > sadly still exists and does still crop up on occasion, I
>
> > > feel it can be said that such things as Jim Crow, lynch
> > > mobs, poll taxes, "Bull" Connor and the like are mainly
> > just
> > > bad memories from the past (kindly correct me if I'm
> > wrong;
> > > I mean no offense, by the way) while the Ku Klux Klan
> and
> > > its ilk are effectively marginalized. This is as it
> should
> >
> > > be, in my opinion.
> > >
> > > But every year, people are murdered because of their
> real
> > or
> > > perceived gender identity. And anti-transgender
> > > discrimination is still rife in areas such as
> employment.
> > > (For example, a San Francisco Department of Public
> Health
> > > study from 1999 found abnormally high unemployment rates
>
> > > amongst the transgendered.) No wonder some transgendered
>
> > > people resort to sex work -- they have to in order to
> > > survive!
> > >
> > > Additionally, arguably unlike blacks (although I realize
>
> > > some may challenge that assertion; if so, have at it),
> > > transgendered people are still subject to sensationalist
>
> > > (ratings-grabbing?) exploitation by the likes of Jerry
> > > Springer and his ilk, and denunciations from right-wing
> > > preachers who like to pretend they know what they're
> > talking
> > > about but don't. Furthermore, in recent years, from
> Maine
> > to
> > > Illinois to California and from Allentown, PA, to
> Dearborn
> >
> > > Heights, Mich., politicians have passed
> > anti-discrimination
> > > laws covering the transgendered, only to have them
> > denounced
> > > or challenged by members of the religious right.
> > >
> > > So Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's comments weren't likely to
> > sway
> > > many people, in my opinion, as most people correctly
> > realize
> > > how wrong-headed racism is. But there is still a lot of
> > > ignorance out there regarding transgender issues and
> > playing
> > > to listeners' transphobia, as I felt Glenn Beck did, has
>
> > the
> > > potential to do grave harm.
> > >
> > > Doug "Greaseman" Tracht was suspended and then fired for
>
> > his
> > > Lauryn Hill comment. Will Glenn Beck be suspended and
> > fired
> > > for his anti-transgender commentary?
> > >
> > > Speaking of Jerry Springer, I felt Glenn Beck's coverage
>
> > of
> > > the issue was like the Springer show without Springer's
> > > redeeming virtues (such as they are), such as the final
> > > thought and the pretense Jerry Springer sometimes has of
>
> > > being sensitive and socially-conscious.
> > >
> > > There is no rule saying that broadcasters need be
> > > insensitive when discussing this topic. Larry King
> covered
> >
> > > transgendered people a couple of weeks back on national
> > > television and radio (to wit, CNN) and, while I'm not
> > > convinced he's terribly knowledgeable about the subject,
> I
> >
> > > felt he generally handled it with his usual dignity and
> > > class. Listeners, IMHO, were likely to come away with a
> > > greater understanding of the subject at hand.
> > >
> > > Sadly, the same did not apply to Glenn Beck's show this
> > > morning.
> > >
> > > P.S. -- I'm going to be still more brave and re-post
> this
> > to
> > > the Coast-To-Coast and the XM satellite radio boards, as
> I
> >
> > > think it's relevant.
> > >
> > > (Forgive me, please, board moderators, if I've somehow
> > made
> > > an inappropriate post. I do see beforehand how this can
> > stir
> > > controversy, but, if folks handle this topic with the
> > > requisite dignity and respect, that would not
> necessarily
> > be
> > > a bad thing. Note again that I am NOT setting out to
> flame
> >
> > > Glenn Beck himself, per se. His on-air comments and
> > > presentation this morning, however, I have found to be
> > vile
> > > and utterly reprehensible ... Also, by the way, this is
> > not
> > > representative of future posts I intend to make on these
>
> > > boards; I've been participating here for several years,
> so
> >
> > > for better or worse, folks here know what kind of posts
> I
> > > usually make.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > References:
> > >
> > > http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13978953.htm
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.gender.org/remember/day/
> > >
> > > http://www.glennbeck.com/affiliates/index.shtml
> > >
> > > http://www.blackjournalism.com/shock.htm
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Tracht
> > >
> http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cac>
> he:nscfdLTH68IJ:blues.about.com/library/weekly/aa030499.htm>
>
> >
> +Doug+%2B+Tracht+%2B+%22Lauryn+Hill&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin>
> >
> /article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/07/24/state2139EDT0271.DTL
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2003/07/25/4
>
> > >
> > > http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=cftg-02-02#S5.1X
> > >
> > > www.lynnconway.com, also found at
> > > http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/conway.html
> > >
> >
>
> Umm...looks like you're the one with the agenda.

At least it's a good one.
>
 
Re: Glenn Beck's on-air comments are relevant to a radio board and have potential to do great harm; my reply

According to the Weekly World News, Bat Boy has been sighted in all of those markets as well. Mere coincidence?
 
Re: Not much sympathy after all.

Apparently your fund raising drive after all didn't create so much sympathetic response. It didn't receive very much negative response eithier. (beside me).
Let's just say the people who read your PSA were just being polite. Or silenced. Afraid of being banned from the board, afraid of being reported to their boss in result off losing their job, ostracized from their neighborhood bar, or Starbucks, so they became sheep just like you.
How did this whole thing get on the XM board, it still beats me. (lol)




> I'm going to be brave here and weigh in on a topic or two I
> don't normally talk about on these radio boards.
>
> Then again, being the Sirius satellite radio fan that I am,
> it's not often these days that I tune into AM radio
> talk-show programs. So, this morning, I was obviously in the
> wrong place at the wrong time. I heard Glenn Beck's talk
> show program on WTAG Worcester (Mass.) and was appalled and
> outraged by what I heard.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I'm not the sort to go flaming people on
> these boards. That's not my style. But Beck's comments and
> presentation regarding a particular subject were absolutely
> horrible, in my opinion. Not only did they show ignorance
> but also they had the potential to do great harm to certain
> people.
>
> Let's put this in perspective, shall we? Doug "Greaseman"
> Tracht is a Washington, DC, area DJ who has generated
> controversy over the years for racially insensitive
> comments. In 1986 he said of the Martin Luther King, Jr.,
> Day holiday, "Kill four more and we can take a whole week
> off." Then, in 1999, referring both to that year's upcoming
> Grammy awards ceremony and a then-current court homicide
> case involving a hate crime in Jasper, Texas, he played a
> Lauryn Hill track (she was nominated for 10 Grammies that
> year) and then said, "No wonder they drag them behind
> trucks" (or something to that effect).
>
> Today, Glenn Beck weighed in on transgendered issues,
> demonstrating both his bigotry and his ignorance regarding
> the subject.
>
> It could be argued that Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's Lauryn
> Hill comment was relatively (and mercifully) brief. But
> Glenn Beck went on for the better part of an hour with his
> anti-transgender nonsense. (I tuned out before the hour was
> over but I heard a good portion of Beck's rant.) (By the
> way, I'll return to Doug "Greaseman" Tracht momentarily
> before I'm finished writing this post.)
>
> Beck's "news peg" was apparently the case of Lily McBeth, a
> 71-year-old teacher who is returning to the classroom in New
> Jersey following sex reassignment surgery (SRS). Beck
> addressed (pandered to?) the fears of parents but did
> absolutely nothing, in my opinion, to address reasons why
> these fears might or might not (in my opinion, for what
> that's worth) be valid.
>
> Beck questioned whether parents would want their second
> graders learning that their teacher is transgendered. Well,
> the reality is that transgendered people do exist (and,
> might I add, frequently need to earn livings just like
> anyone else) and that it can not and will not turn a
> second-grader who is not transgendered into a transgendered
> person just because they might learn that such people do
> exist. (Also, yes, there have been case histories of kids --
> known as "primary transsexuals" -- figuring out at ages as
> young as three that they are such, although some actually
> remain silent about that until adulthood. It's arguably
> doubtful that the presence or absence of a transgendered
> teacher in the classroom will make much difference one way
> or another, in the long run, where such kids are concerned,
> so far as them eventually figuring out who they are.)
>
> Beck gratuitously discussed seeing a non-passable
> "eight-foot" transgendered person in the grocery at 9 PM.
> Well, okay, some transgendered people don't pass very well,
> but that's no reason to mock them, nor is it reason to
> ignore the fact that some transgendered people DO pass so
> well they sometimes blend into the proverbial woodwork.
>
> The radio host stumbled over pronouns, mistakenly calling
> McBeth "he" on occasion. But certain other comments really
> stick out in my memory (and my proverbial "craw").
>
> Beck made an inflammatory comment to the effect of, "I don't
> think anyone chooses to be a freak." (Now, wait a bleeping
> minute, he called transgendered people "freaks"? How is that
> better than referring to blacks by the n-word or using
> something equally offensive to refer to Jews?)
>
> In passing, Beck compared being transgendered to being an
> alcoholic and also made a somewhat lengthier comparison to
> gays entering the priesthood.
>
> (In fairness, Beck did stumble across an astute observation
> that he seemed to be illustrating, or trying to illustrate,
> with the gays-in-the-priesthood comparison: Sometimes --
> and, yes, this is true -- transgendered people put up the
> "front" of being normal, either to hide their status from
> others, to deny it within themselves or to try to stamp out
> their true nature, or some combination thereof, by such
> things as marrying, having children -- not that
> transgendered people can't do that, by the way, but it can
> be used as a form of denial -- and, in the case of
> male-to-female transgendered people, entering
> stereotypically macho fields such as the military or police
> work... Well, shoot. With bigotry still rife, it's little
> wonder why transgendered people would feel compelled to do
> such things.)
>
> Beck mockingly spoke of others writing in about how hateful
> he was being, even creating or imitating a keyboard
> clackity-clack sound. Well, yes. But do you have any inkling
> why that might be, Glenn?
>
> To top off this foolishness, Beck took a call from someone
> who claimed to have once been transgendered but to have been
> "cured" by Jesus. Fortunately, this caller didn't get much
> time to proselytize, perhaps because Glenn Beck was so
> caught up in his own agenda.
>
> It sickens me to realize that, according to Beck's own
> website, his show is heard on 202 affiliate radio stations
> in 47 states and the District of Columbia as well as on XM
> satellite radio, thus giving him a broad forum in which to
> spread this venom.
>
> Most people recognize that racism is wrong. Although it
> sadly still exists and does still crop up on occasion, I
> feel it can be said that such things as Jim Crow, lynch
> mobs, poll taxes, "Bull" Connor and the like are mainly just
> bad memories from the past (kindly correct me if I'm wrong;
> I mean no offense, by the way) while the Ku Klux Klan and
> its ilk are effectively marginalized. This is as it should
> be, in my opinion.
>
> But every year, people are murdered because of their real or
> perceived gender identity. And anti-transgender
> discrimination is still rife in areas such as employment.
> (For example, a San Francisco Department of Public Health
> study from 1999 found abnormally high unemployment rates
> amongst the transgendered.) No wonder some transgendered
> people resort to sex work -- they have to in order to
> survive!
>
> Additionally, arguably unlike blacks (although I realize
> some may challenge that assertion; if so, have at it),
> transgendered people are still subject to sensationalist
> (ratings-grabbing?) exploitation by the likes of Jerry
> Springer and his ilk, and denunciations from right-wing
> preachers who like to pretend they know what they're talking
> about but don't. Furthermore, in recent years, from Maine to
> Illinois to California and from Allentown, PA, to Dearborn
> Heights, Mich., politicians have passed anti-discrimination
> laws covering the transgendered, only to have them denounced
> or challenged by members of the religious right.
>
> So Doug "Greaseman" Tracht's comments weren't likely to sway
> many people, in my opinion, as most people correctly realize
> how wrong-headed racism is. But there is still a lot of
> ignorance out there regarding transgender issues and playing
> to listeners' transphobia, as I felt Glenn Beck did, has the
> potential to do grave harm.
>
> Doug "Greaseman" Tracht was suspended and then fired for his
> Lauryn Hill comment. Will Glenn Beck be suspended and fired
> for his anti-transgender commentary?
>
> Speaking of Jerry Springer, I felt Glenn Beck's coverage of
> the issue was like the Springer show without Springer's
> redeeming virtues (such as they are), such as the final
> thought and the pretense Jerry Springer sometimes has of
> being sensitive and socially-conscious.
>
> There is no rule saying that broadcasters need be
> insensitive when discussing this topic. Larry King covered
> transgendered people a couple of weeks back on national
> television and radio (to wit, CNN) and, while I'm not
> convinced he's terribly knowledgeable about the subject, I
> felt he generally handled it with his usual dignity and
> class. Listeners, IMHO, were likely to come away with a
> greater understanding of the subject at hand.
>
> Sadly, the same did not apply to Glenn Beck's show this
> morning.
>
> P.S. -- I'm going to be still more brave and re-post this to
> the Coast-To-Coast and the XM satellite radio boards, as I
> think it's relevant.
>
> (Forgive me, please, board moderators, if I've somehow made
> an inappropriate post. I do see beforehand how this can stir
> controversy, but, if folks handle this topic with the
> requisite dignity and respect, that would not necessarily be
> a bad thing. Note again that I am NOT setting out to flame
> Glenn Beck himself, per se. His on-air comments and
> presentation this morning, however, I have found to be vile
> and utterly reprehensible ... Also, by the way, this is not
> representative of future posts I intend to make on these
> boards; I've been participating here for several years, so
> for better or worse, folks here know what kind of posts I
> usually make.)
>
>
>
> References:
>
> http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/13978953.htm
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transphobia
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_Day_of_Remembrance
>
>
> http://www.gender.org/remember/day/
>
> http://www.glennbeck.com/affiliates/index.shtml
>
> http://www.blackjournalism.com/shock.htm
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Tracht
>
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:nscfdLTH68IJ:blues.about.com/library/weekly/aa030499.htm> +Doug+%2B+Tracht+%2B+%22Lauryn+Hill&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
>
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin> /article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/07/24/state2139EDT0271.DTL
>
>
>
> http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2003/07/25/4
>
> http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=cftg-02-02#S5.1X
>
> www.lynnconway.com, also found at
> http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/conway.html
>
 
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