GM Slashes XM Radio Prices - bad news for in-dash XM Radio

[autopaint-1]

"Where have you been over the last several years? Personally, I have a Verizon Wireless phone and Pocket-PC combo with unlimited data by way of an EV-DO wireless broadband connection"

I don't own a cell phone and don't intend to get one. What would the cost be? You can't get cell service for free, so we're back where we started. Any options you supply aren't viable. Not everyone has unlimited income to purchase every toy that comes on the market, especially if those toys come wit never ending monthly fees. If you had a family and had to pay the mortgauge, insurance, college, food, utilities, water and electric, clothes, and on and on you wouldn't make such a naive statement. (gonna report me for calling you naive? Can't argue with facts)

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Plus, we all proved you were using the name "Cartel" incorrectly.

That never happened. The HD consortium fits the definition of "cartel" perfectly.

You DX.

Another lie. I rarely DX.

Most people don't care much about audio quality, they care about content (in fact, you said so yourself!).

Another lie. I said they care more about content. Execept for a nutcase, who would subject themselves to content they dislike just because the fidelity is good?
I can see you are the one that will be staying up all night listening to that super fidelity AAC Plus HD polka stream.
Here is the link for your convenience: www.tuner2.com

Why cant you just let people have a choice if they want HD Radio or not? Or are you into making sure that people dont have options just because YOU do think they should. Get over yourself!

I'm all for people having freedom of choice. Even DXers, suburbanites, inter-city dwellers, travelers, secondary coverage area residents, long distance commuters, etc. It is the HDers who don't want the public to have the freedom of choice by allowing the public to choose the digital system. Perhaps the public would choose a digital broadcast system that does not jam the analog airwaves, such as FMeXtra. www.dreinc.com
HD supporters spend all their time with incredible HD promotional hype, falsehoods, accusations, demands, and attacking their own positions. HD supporters are hypocrites that have no right to demand anything from anyone.

 

[IBOCRocks]

Plus, we all proved you were using the name "Cartel" incorrectly.

That never happened. The HD consortium fits the definition of "cartel" perfectly.

You DX.

Another lie. I rarely DX.

Most people don't care much about audio quality, they care about content (in fact, you said so yourself!).

Another lie. I said they care more about content. Execept for a nutcase, who would subject themselves to content they dislike just because the fidelity is good?
I can see you are the one that will be staying up all night listening to that super fidelity AAC Plus HD polka stream.
Here is the link for your convenience: www.tuner2.com

Why cant you just let people have a choice if they want HD Radio or not? Or are you into making sure that people dont have options just because YOU do think they should. Get over yourself!

I'm all for people having freedom of choice. Even DXers, suburbanites, inter-city dwellers, travelers, secondary coverage area residents, long distance commuters, etc. It is the HDers who don't want the public to have the freedom of choice by allowing the public to choose the digital system. Perhaps the public would choose a digital broadcast system that does not jam the analog airwaves, such as FMeXtra. www.dreinc.com
HD supporters spend all their time with incredible HD promotional hype, falsehoods, accusations, demands, and attacking their own positions. HD supporters are hypocrites that have no right to demand anything from anyone.

So then why are you here rabidly trying to destroy HD Radio? Why not let the marketplace decide.

No, you aren't about consumer choice. You're about killing a technology that you have a personal vendetta against. Promotionaly hype, falsehoods, accusations, and demands? You should re-read the writings of you and SayLiesAboutIBOC. 90% of what you say are quotes taken out of context, links to others opinions, and flat out lies.

It seems that all we're saying is let the people decide. You two are the ones starting posts meant to deceive.

I gurantee that when those posts stop, we go away. We're here to balance the flow of information. And encourage people to decide for themselves instead of listening to you characters.

 

[autopaint-1]

FMeXtra. www.dreinc.com
Doesn't work on AM. What part of that don't you understand? As long as it doesn't work for both AM & FM it won't be accepted. A system had been accepted, bidding is over. FMeXtra and Cam-D are dead technologies. No radios available and few if any stations broadcasting in that format. IBOC is compatible with the existing radios. People will still receive their local stations. All the BS about not being able to listen to first or second adjacents is garbage. Kahn used one example of a station losing coverage in a market where they had less then a .5 signal on a second adjacent. At that rf level the station is not protected. That's the law like it or not. Then I read comments which obviously come from people whom I can only call jealous when they ask grandfathered operations to reduce their power so that these stations, many of which probably shouldn't have been licensed in the first place can cover geographical areas where at best their signal would be very noisy and solid coverage depending on what radio a person is using is not insured. It's all desperation and a waste of time and all your arguing against reality won't change a thng even if your name is Don Quixote. You aren't convincing anyone. The story has already been written. The End!

 

[vsa]

IBOCROCKS WROTE: "Yes, but that isn't technically allowed with the EVDO card, and that subjects you to disconnection...Where have you been?"

Verizon Wireless has the claus to limit abuse of the service. I've been listening regularly for well over a year, usually at 24kbps and 32kbps rates without a problem, even on some long trips to Northern California and Nevada.

The point is, it is technically possible to listen with relative ease in anyone's car right now. Things will change as the wireless infrastructure and competition grows. Competitive Mobile Wimax services will blanket the country before the end of this decade.

AUTOPAINT-1 WROTE: "I don't own a cell phone and don't intend to get one. What would the cost be? You can't get cell service for free, so we're back where we started. Any options you supply aren't viable. Not everyone has unlimited income to purchase every toy that comes on the market, especially if those toys come wit never ending monthly fees. If you had a family and had to pay the mortgauge, insurance, college, food, utilities, water and electric, clothes, and on and on you wouldn't make such a naive statement. (gonna report me for calling you naive? Can't argue with facts)"

Being that you work in the nation's largest market, at the network level for almost 30 years, I figured you too can at least afford a decent, if not simple, cell phone. Naive? I'm not, and I'm not bothered, my friend. As the price of HD-R radios will fall, so will the cost of wireless broadband Internet radio. The web has already made HD-R obsolete and unhip.

Enjoy your HD-R radio while you can before your local stations begin shutting it off one-by-one. Their web streams reach far more people than HD-R does, and that will always be the case.

You may say that the horse has left the barn, but iBiquity is the wrong horse to run the race.

 

[davideduardo]

Verizon Wireless has the claus to limit abuse of the service. I've been listening regularly for well over a year, usually at 24kbps and 32kbps rates without a problem, even on some long trips to Northern California and Nevada.

The point is, it is technically possible to listen with relative ease in anyone's car right now. Things will change as the wireless infrastructure and competition grows. Competitive Mobile Wimax services will blanket the country before the end of this decade.

I have both Verizon and Spring wireless for my computer. Each costs about $80 a month for unlimited service. I need both because niether works well everywhere, so I have to have two choices. In many places, it defaults back to non-EVDO rates, and weaker connections mean slower speeds. This is a wonderful thing to have if you travel and need e-mail and such. It is very expensive and full of drop outs and such for continuous connection audio listening. In fact, for many things it is horribly frustrating.

 

[IBOCRocks]

IBOCROCKS WROTE: "Yes, but that isn't technically allowed with the EVDO card, and that subjects you to disconnection...Where have you been?"

Verizon Wireless has the claus to limit abuse of the service. I've been listening regularly for well over a year, usually at 24kbps and 32kbps rates without a problem, even on some long trips to Northern California and Nevada.

The point is, it is technically possible to listen with relative ease in anyone's car right now. Things will change as the wireless infrastructure and competition grows. Competitive Mobile Wimax services will blanket the country before the end of this decade.

AUTOPAINT-1 WROTE: "I don't own a cell phone and don't intend to get one. What would the cost be? You can't get cell service for free, so we're back where we started. Any options you supply aren't viable. Not everyone has unlimited income to purchase every toy that comes on the market, especially if those toys come wit never ending monthly fees. If you had a family and had to pay the mortgauge, insurance, college, food, utilities, water and electric, clothes, and on and on you wouldn't make such a naive statement. (gonna report me for calling you naive? Can't argue with facts)"

Being that you work in the nation's largest market, at the network level for almost 30 years, I figured you too can at least afford a decent, if not simple, cell phone. Naive? I'm not, and I'm not bothered, my friend. As the price of HD-R radios will fall, so will the cost of wireless broadband Internet radio. The web has already made HD-R obsolete and unhip.

Enjoy your HD-R radio while you can before your local stations begin shutting it off one-by-one. Their web streams reach far more people than HD-R does, and that will always be the case.

You may say that the horse has left the barn, but iBiquity is the wrong horse to run the race.

"The point is, it is technically possible to listen with relative ease in anyone's car right now."

Entirely untrue.

You need to buy a laptop, some sort of 12v lighter adapter, a Verizon Wireless plan (with the risk of having disconnected for violating their terms of service) and a place to set said laptop in your car. Then there's the low bitrate at the constant interruptions. I'm sure tens of people will set something like that up.

Technically possible? Yes. Practical? Absolutely not. It is funny how far you'll tell people to go to avoid HD Radio, however. Why can't you sit back and let the market decide? Are they too stupid to do it on their own?

 

[dbdigital]

pulleditout wrote: "WELL WHY DONT YOU BUY IT AND START POSTING OVER AT THE XM BOARDS? WELL THEY REQUIRE A CREDIT CARD, YOU HALF TO BE OVER 18 TO GET A CREDIT CARD."

I wouldn't want an XM, or Sirius subscription any more than an HD Radio - I just want HD Radio to fail (which it seems to be doing on its own), and Satellite Radio is part of the killer app...

WHY DOES THAT BOTHER YOU THAT HD IS HERE? IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, DONT GET IT!! ITS HERE, I'M GLAD I AM GOING TO BUY ONE. WHAT IS THE DIFFRENTS BETWEEN HD-RADIO AND XM OR SIRIUS? ??? ??? ??? ???

With either XM or Sirius you get well over 100 more channels, and can listen outside the HD stations primary coverage area; such as between cities, in the suburbs, or even way out in the country.

ALONG WITH CRAPY AUDIO AND HOME RECEPTION.

I'm just reading a post on another forum from a guy named Jim who bought both the Boston Acoustics radio and an Alpine CDA9856 tuner with the T500HD decoder for the car.

Here is a partial quote from his first impressions:

"First off, let me say that analog AM radio is safe.. Unless I'm within 20
miles of the WIBC 50,000 watt transmitter, it will not receive and decode
the IBOC signal. The Boston Acoustics radio was the same way, but I thought
the car-stereo would be better.. it wasn't.
FM isn't much better. I live about 40 miles south of Indianapolis, and none
of their class B FM's (50,000 watts at 500 feet) deliver an HD signal to
where I live. Apparently, just like the Boston Acoustics you have to be
within 20-30 miles of them to receive and decode their IBOC data. The
coverage of HD radio will certainly be an issue... especially in areas where
the metro area is much larger than Indianapolis.
The only way HD radio will succeed on either band is to improve their
signal, and the only way I know to do this is to discontinue the analog
carrier and dedicate the entire bandwidth to IBOC, and increase the level.
As for audio quality, there is very little difference between FM analog and
FM HD. I'd like to tell you how the AM sounds but I have yet to be able to
pick up any of the AM stations broadcasting with HD.. I guess you've got to
be closer to the transmitter site than I've had time to go."

In conclusion, he said that he was 'disappointed'. So let's see: mediocre reception, digital audio indistinguishable from analog (on FM), pricy radios. Yep, sounds like a winning consumer electronics combination.

db

 

[I.B. Iquity]

This has been said before but I don't mind typing the same information over and over again.The IBOC radios presently available run the first generation chip set. In the near future (within a month or so) manufacturers are supposed to be introducing the second generation chip which addresses the sensitivity issue. Now, I have a Receptor HD and live 25 miles from the transmitter sites. I have no problem with any HD signal in my area. If you want to receive IBOC signals from a distance of 40 miles, I'd suggest an external antenna, such as a rooftop TV antenna or something in an attic. What kind of television reception do you get from stations 40 miles away? I am not refering to cable or satellite. With rabbit ears what kind of picture and sound do you get from 40 miles away? I know that in my part of the country which isn't flat nor is it mountainous either. and to receive good quality TV reception I need an outdoor roof antenna (One in the attic will do too) and a mast mounted pre-amp. Without an antenna I can't receive anything and with rabbit ears the picture is noisy and that is from only 25 miles away. As to the sound quality difference between HD and FM I will say that while the noise floor of HD is far lower than that of analogue FM, the difference isn't worth the effort it takes to go from analogue to digital, but, you left out HD's virtues. The HD 2 & 3 streams provide product not otherwise available on free radio and the audio improvement on AM is fantastic. A good AM IBOC signal will give you audio about as clean as the audio heard from the STL and it has the ability to be transmitted in Stereo Unlike the old outdated AM stereo systems, IBOC doesn't suffer from narrow bandwidth, AM noise or any of the interference that plagues Amplitude Modulation. Give the manufacturers time to improve their receivers and then even from 40 miles out you'll be able to listen to IBOC.

 

[vsa]

DAVID WROTE: "I have both Verizon and Spring wireless for my computer. Each costs about $80 a month for unlimited service. I need both because niether works well everywhere, so I have to have two choices. In many places, it defaults back to non-EVDO rates, and weaker connections mean slower speeds. This is a wonderful thing to have if you travel and need e-mail and such. It is very expensive and full of drop outs and such for continuous connection audio listening. In fact, for many things it is horribly frustrating."

Verizon Wireless EV-DO for a PDA is $40/month with a voice plan and for a laptop it's $60. Not $80. My service works very well. If you stream at 24kbps or 32kbps rates, the slower out-of-metro-area speed continues a stream without a hitch. Sprint's EV-DO coverage is poor compared to Verizon Wireless.

Mobile Wimax will be much more robust. How much more robust can HD-R get? Nada. Put down EV-DO and Mobile Wimax all you want. They don't jam or interfere with anything and in-time the latter will result in HD-R eating dust. And you know it, David.

IBOCROCKS WROTE: "Entirely untrue. You need to buy a laptop, some sort of 12v lighter adapter, a Verizon Wireless plan (with the risk of having disconnected for violating their terms of service) and a place to set said laptop in your car.  Then there's the low bitrate at the constant interruptions.  I'm sure tens of people will set something like that up. Technically possible?  Yes.  Practical?  Absolutely not.  It is funny how far you'll tell people to go to avoid HD Radio, however.  Why can't you sit back and let the market decide?  Are they too stupid to do it on their own?"

Entirely true from my own regular experience with it for over a year. You can use a laptop or, like me, use an EV-DO capable PDA. Interruptions are very few and far between. Not bad for a pre-Mobile Wimax technology. I need and use a cell phone and PDA with wireless broadband anyway, so my ability to listen to Internet radio on-the-freeways comes as a free bonus. I also don't have to buy a single-function HD Radio.

The market is already deciding. The problem is that HD Radio's hash will just drive people away from AM/FM radio at a faster rate.

 

[IBOCRocks]

The market is already deciding. The problem is that HD Radio's hash will just drive people away from AM/FM radio at a faster rate.

The reports of AM/FM's demise has been greatly exaggerated. I would be aware, but not concerned if I owned a station. Just like CD's and cassettes were supposed to kill radio, but didn't, these new forms of "radio" will only augment, not replace, OTA radio listening.

 

[vsa]

CDs and cassettes are not a form of radio.

Internet-delivered radio will eventually overtake AM and FM radio, much like FM overtook AM. All can coexist, but I wouldn't want to have to compete against future wireless Internet streams with HD Radio's limited signal coverage.

 

[IBOCRocks]

CDs and cassettes are not a form of radio.

Internet-delivered radio will eventually overtake AM and FM radio, much like FM overtook AM. All can coexist, but I wouldn't want to have to compete against future wireless Internet streams with HD Radio's limited signal coverage.

You may not want to. I say...bring it on!! You think HD's signal is limited, just wait and see how long it will take before you can get wireless anywhere you go (and get it for free, like radio)!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Wireless Internet is being put into communities, as we speak. VSA is correct - all will co-exist, but as the Bridge Ratings confirm, Wireless Internet and Internet Radio will be many many times ahead of HD Radio. That's all that matters, folks !

 

[IBOCRocks]

Wireless Internet is being put into communities, as we speak. VSA is correct - all will co-exist, but as the Bridge Ratings confirm, Wireless Internet and Internet Radio will be many many times ahead of HD Radio. That's all that matters, folks !

Hey, no problem. I never said that HD Radio had to beat anything! I'm just saying that it isn't going away, which is what you're trying to prove. It doesn't have to be number one to win the war...it just has to be!

So I guess you're at least conceding that HD Radio is here to stay for a while, eh?

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

HD Radio not going anywhere, is the first sign it is going away.

 

[IBOCRocks]

HD Radio not going anywhere, is the first sign it is going away.

Hmmm...from the "WTF?" department. Is that some sort of sage advice?

I've read your comment a couple of times, and it makes no sense.

Maybe you didn't read it correctly the first time. You have conceded that HD Radio isn't going anywhere. You say you agree with vsa who says they will all co-exist.

As for the rest of your comment...uhh...ok...

 

[SUPERCASTER]

The market is already deciding. The problem is that HD Radio's hash will just drive people away from AM/FM radio at a faster rate.

The reports of AM/FM's demise has been greatly exaggerated. I would be aware, but not concerned if I owned a station. Just like CD's and cassettes were supposed to kill radio, but didn't, these new forms of "radio" will only augment, not replace, OTA radio listening.

CD's and cassettes never caused the loud, annoying HD Radio hash and buzz on AM and FM recievers, as this problematic, defective technology has.

 

[IBOCRocks]

The market is already deciding. The problem is that HD Radio's hash will just drive people away from AM/FM radio at a faster rate.

The reports of AM/FM's demise has been greatly exaggerated. I would be aware, but not concerned if I owned a station. Just like CD's and cassettes were supposed to kill radio, but didn't, these new forms of "radio" will only augment, not replace, OTA radio listening.

CD's and cassettes never caused the loud, annoying HD Radio hash and buzz on AM and FM recievers, as this problematic, defective technology has.

Sure. And the FCC is flooded with complaints from average listeners. Oh yeah, they aren't. It's all DX'ers. Thank God that you're here to save us from ourselves.

So, you ready to shed some light on your "psycho-terrorist" blog entry yet? I mean, if you're going to save us from this "defective technology", I'd like to know a little bit more about what makes you tick.

 

[autopaint-1]

problematic, defective technology..


Now Leonards words; "There is not one single report on file at the FCC, after 13 years of intensive efforts by Bell Labs and other prestigious researchers, proving that their system can satisfy FCC Rules and Regulations. (Arguably, there has been more money spent (wasted) on developing this fatally flawed System than any other radio system, including FM Radio and all AM and FM Stereo Systems COMBINED!)"


Gee it all sounds too familiar

Thank you Leonard