Greensboro/Winston-Salem & Raleigh/Durham ratings from nearly 20 years ago.

[pbf1]

Indeed.

Don't want to read about 20 years ago? Don't click on a thread whose Subject reads "from nearly 20 years ago."

 

[Huff]

;D Actually, Robyn needs to find a new hobby rather than posting 20 year old ratings..Go to Reel radio and post.. Who cares..It's not making me any money now and made very little back then!..P.S. Who is Robyn Watts..? BIG APE!

Um, yeah. Don't go posting interesting radio info on a board about radio.

I, for one, found it very interesting. That was my sophmore year at an area college, and the same year I got my first radio gig.

ANYBODY who followed radio through Billboard or R&R knows that they didn't list stations with less than 1.0. The term is "below the line".

Slamming somebody for posting ratings history from the old trades is P3 thinking.

Actually, the term "Below The Line" refers to Arbitron's practice in its old printed books to list stations that were not a part of the home market below a dashed line that followed the "Home to Metro" stations. Therefore, WEND would be printed "Below the line" in the Greensboro book regardless of how high its share was.
Arbitron would also list any stations that were penalized for "ratings distortion" below yet another separate line.
The term had nothing to do with the share a station had.

 

[RobynWattsV2.0]

Mike & Big Ape:

The 12+ numbers for Greensboro/HP/W-S came from the June 4th, 1988 issue of "Billboard" magazine, while Raleigh/Durham came from the June 11th, 1988 issue of the same magazine. If you don't believe me, the both of you can trot down to your local library and see for yourselves.

Interesting that you think one can "trot down to your local library" and see Billboard. The one I go to keeps it about a year or two, and then all you can see is what's online. That means the library's online service, free to you, or the one the magazine has, which you pay for.

Mine has it on microfilm going back to 1983. Even then, the ratings were just published for the Top 25 markets untill 1987, when the rest of the Top 100 markets were added. Even then, you would had several markets that were rated twice per year.

And the library's online service doesn't even have a full article that I actually need dating back to 1993. Just the abstract.

In my case, the newspaper articles were on microfilm and would have to be index searched. It sucks, but at least you would have the full article.

I did finally get through to the person who updates the information on the Radio and Records web site about formats. He/she quit listening to me. So it's unreliable (and that's just for stations I know about).

Could be worse. I was looking to see how I would list Broadcasting and Cable Yearbook as a source on Wikipedia and happened to notice it was $245 now. Imagine paying that much for a book that is so incredibly inaccurate and even if it is up-to-date when printed, it's outdated the minute you get it. And yet the college I went to still does.

The only thing that B&C is good for is finding the sign-on dates for a station. Even then, there is no true way to see if the date is accurate or not, unless you go to the FCC's offices or the station itself and ask to see the paperwork.

Robyn

 

[RobynWattsV2.0]

;D Actually, Robyn needs to find a new hobby rather than posting 20 year old ratings..Go to Reel radio and post.. Who cares..It's not making me any money now and made very little back then!..P.S. Who is Robyn Watts..? BIG APE!

Actually, Big Ape needs to get a life instead of wondering about who am I!

(Oh, and thanks everyone for the kind words. I really appreciate it.)

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!!! (you too, Big Ape)

Robyn

 

[BIG APE]

My humble apologies....Happy Thanksgiving to all.... BIG APE!

 

[vchimpanzee]

Mike & Big Ape:

The 12+ numbers for Greensboro/HP/W-S came from the June 4th, 1988 issue of "Billboard" magazine, while Raleigh/Durham came from the June 11th, 1988 issue of the same magazine. If you don't believe me, the both of you can trot down to your local library and see for yourselves.

Interesting that you think one can "trot down to your local library" and see Billboard. The one I go to keeps it about a year or two, and then all you can see is what's online. That means the library's online service, free to you, or the one the magazine has, which you pay for.

Mine has it on microfilm going back to 1983. Even then, the ratings were just published for the Top 25 markets untill 1987, when the rest of the Top 100 markets were added. Even then, you would had several markets that were rated twice per year.

Wow, you're so lucky. And this explains whyI didn't start copying these ratings until then. Well, that and the fact I didn't come up with the idea because I wasn't going to a library very often that had these.

And the library's online service doesn't even have a full article that I actually need dating back to 1993. Just the abstract.

In my case, the newspaper articles were on microfilm and would have to be index searched. It sucks, but at least you would have the full article.

I did finally get through to the person who updates the information on the Radio and Records web site about formats. He/she quit listening to me. So it's unreliable (and that's just for stations I know about).

Could be worse. I was looking to see how I would list Broadcasting and Cable Yearbook as a source on Wikipedia and happened to notice it was $245 now. Imagine paying that much for a book that is so incredibly inaccurate and even if it is up-to-date when printed, it's outdated the minute you get it. And yet the college I went to still does.

The only thing that B&C is good for is finding the sign-on dates for a station. Even then, there is no true way to see if the date is accurate or not, unless you go to the FCC's offices or the station itself and ask to see the paperwork.

Robyn

I know what you mean. WSEA in Myrtle Beach was on the air sometime in the late 90s but The $245 Doorstop (that's paraphrasing what a newspaper reporter called it) didn't say it was on the air until I had told them about half a dozen times. Even then, I don't think they had the date right.

As for the Sun News article about its debut, it disappeared never to be seen again. That section of the paper wasn't microfilmed. I was fortunate that I discovered I could ask for these articles when the paper still had files. But I didn't keep the article, figuring the paper wouldn't be inconsiderate enough to throw it out.

 

[JimA]

Radio 20 years back was/is better than this corporate bulls**t computer pre-programmed unlocal no talent voice tracked "radio" now.

 

[BIG APE]

;D OUTSTANDING observation!!

 

[JimA]

Big Ape is the BEST!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WAPE_(AM)

This was great radio