Guess the rumors were true about the Sportsfan 990

[ISaidSo]

Well Dave,
I understand your anger. But for the record didn't you work for Tom (I need a diaper) Bailey for 8 months, and as we all hear it never get paid? I think that alone says something about your overall judgment, and radio knowledge. I'm sorry it didn't work out for you, but let's not pretend that anything that ever came out of the speakers there could be mistaken for Good Radio...

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

"R"

Uh, Bass? Yoohoo. Copyright infringement? You be the judge. ;D

 

[Robert Bass]

"R"

Uh, Bass? Yoohoo. Copyright infringement? You be the judge. ;D

Nahhhh... He used quote marks

R

 

[little1]

... as for someone working traffic and getting to host a radio show..I do take some offense to that comment, because I also went from traffic reporting to working sports-- I just did it in a much faster and more efficiant way!

Take all the offense you want. So you went from traffic to host. What did that get you? High ratings, uh, no. Big boatload of cash? Uh, no. Raised reputation? Uh, no...

AND YES it is a short trip from being a caller to being a talk show host-- just as Leon Simon!

And reminjd me again when Leon carried his own show? Or did a show with some other nobody on a station nobody had ever heard of? Oh that's right he didnt. Leon managed to go from caller to sidekick on the back of a legend, one Norm Hitzges. Funny how Norm was there before Leon, and Norm is there after Leon, but Leon ain't around no more...But yeah, you're right Dave...It's a short trip. But just because one person did it, doesn't mean anybody else can do it. And there's a valuable lesson to be learned. It's a short trip up, but an even shorter trip back down...

, so as talentless as you believe some of us are, there are those of us, who make their own paths and not worry about the cliques of the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, and if you would be a source of help instead of hindrence you might be able to enjoy this industry better

I enjoy it just fine.....And Dave, for the record, I don't think you're talentless, I just think you're average. You're not bad (Like Nicki Granville bad), you're 'okay'. But I'm just not sure 'okay' cuts it in this market. You've got some talent, but so do Dougie Anderson, Richie Whitt, Kevin Fox, Kevin Scott, Pete Stein and mike Fisher, and and a dozen other sports wannabes that have cycled through KTCK, KLIF, ESPN, etc through the years...

 

[ISaidSo]

Um, Come on dude, Kevin Fox? Board-op, Richie Whitt? He is a writer, and really not that great at that. Pete Stein? Gee, I do miss him calling sidekick games, Doug Anderson? Does funny things with a pen (boy that is a reach back) but never good on the air. And the Fish was so bad his only gig is a website that nobody knows about, breaking false stories (KG coming to the Mavs)...Where is Brad Sham when you need him? But I do agree with everything else you said!

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

Um, Come on dude, Kevin Fox? Board-op, Richie Whitt? He is a writer, and really not that great at that. Pete Stein? Gee, I do miss him calling sidekick games, Doug Anderson? Does funny things with a pen (boy that is a reach back) but never good on the air. And the Fish was so bad his only gig is a website that nobody knows about, breaking false stories (KG coming to the Mavs)...Where is Brad Sham when you need him? But I do agree with everything else you said!

Well, that was close. I thought for a minute, Ol' SaidSo was going to agree that Nikki Granville was awful or something out of line like that? Back to normalcy everyone. Places! 8)

 

[senior00rel]

... as for someone working traffic and getting to host a radio show..I do take some offense to that comment, because I also went from traffic reporting to working sports-- I just did it in a much faster and more efficiant way!

Take all the offense you want. So you went from traffic to host. What did that get you? High ratings, uh, no. Big boatload of cash? Uh, no. Raised reputation? Uh, no...

AND YES it is a short trip from being a caller to being a talk show host-- just as Leon Simon!

And reminjd me again when Leon carried his own show? Or did a show with some other nobody on a station nobody had ever heard of? Oh that's right he didnt. Leon managed to go from caller to sidekick on the back of a legend, one Norm Hitzges. Funny how Norm was there before Leon, and Norm is there after Leon, but Leon ain't around no more...But yeah, you're right Dave...It's a short trip. But just because one person did it, doesn't mean anybody else can do it. And there's a valuable lesson to be learned. It's a short trip up, but an even shorter trip back down...

, so as talentless as you believe some of us are, there are those of us, who make their own paths and not worry about the cliques of the Dallas/Ft. Worth area, and if you would be a source of help instead of hindrence you might be able to enjoy this industry better

I enjoy it just fine.....And Dave, for the record, I don't think you're talentless, I just think you're average. You're not bad (Like Nicki Granville bad), you're 'okay'. But I'm just not sure 'okay' cuts it in this market. You've got some talent, but so do Dougie Anderson, Richie Whitt, Kevin Fox, Kevin Scott, Pete Stein and mike Fisher, and and a dozen other sports wannabes that have cycled through KTCK, KLIF, ESPN, etc through the years...

Forgive me...but who are you? Maybe you've identified yourself before...but I'm just curious as to what makes you one to call another "average". The fact that Dave put up with what he did, for as long as he did, trying to better himself makes him more than average. If you had spent one minute in the studio trying to work in the conditions Thom Bailey created, you would understand Dave is not just "average". I'm also a little curious as to why you've gone out of your way to make personal attacks toward just about anyone and everyone that worked at 990. Again, I ask, why? How much did you ACTUALLY listen to Dave Michaels? How much have you listened to Dave outside of 990? There was a lot of talent that came through SportsFan 990...but it's all clouded by the quagmire of Thom Bailey. I too worked for Thom. I was there a month. I didn't have the means to financially carry myself any longer without being paid, so I had to seek employment elsewhere. I worked alongside Dave Michaels...So many people in this business take it for granted, don't appreciate what they've got, and are at best "superficial". Dave isn't one of those guys. For you to not only question his talent, but his reputation, proves to me you don't know Dave Michaels.

You can't fault anyone for taking an opportunity to be heard on the air in market 5. And all the "wannabes" you've listed...again I ask...and you are?

-J.R Schumann

 

[Davradio2]

JR-- Thank you for the kind words.. I am humbled-- and it was an honor and pleasure to work along side of you-- Give Em Hell!

Just a Thought
Dave Michaels
Davradio Productions
North Texas Sports Network
Plano, Texas

 

[ISaidSo]

And the defense is complete...Thank you Mr. Um, J.R.? Oh, yeah, we all know you....You are the guy who worked at...um....well...let me think... OH, Yeah, Nobody knows you either. My guess, another ABS grad.... I'm sorry that all of you 990 guys take this so personal, but that station was terrible, from Day 1 to the last day it was this most unprofessional, ridiculous station to ever grace the airwaves in this market. It wasn't your fault; it is just the truth.....

 

[Robert Bass]

I'm also a little curious as to why you've gone out of your way to make personal attacks toward just about anyone and everyone that worked at 990.

Not just the 990 people, he does that with just about anyone who disagrees w/ him. I don't believe he's ever worked in radio, except maybe a college DJ stint or ABS.

R

 

[ISaidSo]

Yep.. That's right you got me pegged. :

 

[little1]

Forgive me...but who are you? Maybe you've identified yourself before...but I'm just curious as to what makes you one to call another "average".

I'm just some anonymous dude on a website. And as RObert Bass once pointed out to me, have you ever read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page? It's my opinion. If you don't agree with it, fine.

The fact that Dave put up with what he did, for as long as he did, trying to better himself makes him more than average

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That's a novel concept. That if you put up with crap, it makes you "more than average". So does that mean that because Bill Clinton put up withattacks from 'the vast right wing conspiracy' that he's more than average? or because GWB puts up with attacks from the crazed antiwar left, that he's more than average? It's a really novel concept, that you can completely SUCK at a job, but as long as you have to put up with a lot, it magically elevates your performance to more than it really was...

I'm also a little curious as to why you've gone out of your way to make personal attacks toward just about anyone and everyone that worked at 990

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Hey, I said Dave had some talent. And I don't think I've attacked that Letterman dude (although anybody who gives up a 6 figure job to go to work for Tom Bailey probably deserves attack for sheer stupidity)

Again, I ask, why? How much did you ACTUALLY listen to Dave Michaels? How much have you listened to Dave outside of 990?

I listened to 990 almost every day. But it was much more out of a fascination...the same way I slow down to rubberneck at car accidents...I mean after all, how often do you get to hear that many train wrecks that often?

There was a lot of talent that came through SportsFan 990...but it's all clouded by the quagmire of Thom Bailey. I too worked for Thom. I was there a month. I didn't have the means to financially carry myself any longer without being paid, so I had to seek employment elsewhere

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Maybe someday you'll be able to work for a real radio station. One that actually pays it's employees.

I worked alongside Dave Michaels...So many people in this business take it for granted, don't appreciate what they've got, and are at best "superficial". Dave isn't one of those guys. For you to not only question his talent, but his reputation, proves to me you don't know Dave Michaels.

Where'd I question his reputation? And Dave and I crossed paths at a station we both worked at, probably 10-15 years ago...Frankly, until I heard him on 990, I thought he'd gotten out of the buisness...

You can't fault anyone for taking an opportunity to be heard on the air in market 5. And all the "wannabes" you've listed...again I ask...and you are?

I'm just a dude with an opinion.
And my opinion is that 990 sucked. Maybe you guys had boatloads of talent. And you were doing sports 'the right way'. So how'd that work out for you. Let's see, you never got paid, you never showed up in teh ratings, and you've become a punchline in the marketplace...

(And just a note- on the "wannabes" listed, pretty sure most of them lasted on air more than a month, pretty sure that most of them got paid...)

 

[Robert Bass]

I rest my case.

R

 

[ISaidSo]

Little1, perfect ;D

 

[little1]

I rest my case.
R

Yep, you've got me pegged Robert. [EDIT]

Then again, it's could be that since I work in commercial radio, I don't want to 'out' myself because(as i've said before) I've ripped my very own employer (not to mention past employers, and (odds are, since this is radio) future employers) and would rather not give some PD or GM ammo to use against me in a hiring decision...

And Robert, have you ever considered that maybe you think I attack everybody because you just notice the ones I attack?
And are my 'attacks' on 990 really that out of line? Isaidso doesn't seem to think so...And God knows the listeners and advertisers certainly didn't 'buy into' the phenomenon that was Sportsfan 990.

So tell me, do you think 990 was entertaining radio? Did you read the Observer article where they interviewed Tom (Letterman) who talked about how Bailey spit on air, cussed regularly with ne delay device, disappeared for big portions of his own show, etc...

Is that REALLY what you're defending? [EDIT] You're in a public job, on the public airwaves. Learn to take some criticism. My current station and my work has been ripped on here before. And You know what, I didn't even respond. because A. I don't want it obviuous where I work and B. this is all just opnion. You guys are entitled to yours.

And if yours is that 990 didn't suck, you better hope you never lose that job at KEOM. Because going on record with something like that makes me call your judgement into question. And I'd never hire somebody with judgement that poor...


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[Davradio2]

Little1-- ITs not that your critique of 990 is off base... EVEN by MY standards... Thom's morning train wreck was just that... He's interviewing of guest (if you call regulars on the air "guest") was below aligator piss-- I mean I cringed when I worked with him in the mornigs... he once called the Commissioner of the NBA -- ON THE AIR-- "A JEW JOKE" when he was in town to award Dirk Nowitxki the MVP award... now tell me thats class! And once again--like he did in the Ariticle.. he denied it..but I was right there in the room with him when he said it..

I don't disagree with most of what has been and was said about the station-- HOWEVER! There are and were people that worked there that have talent-- and are engaging and entertaining... I might be just average... maybe that's true to the extent that I believe that I am not in the same league as any of those who work at the TICKET or ESPN RADIO-- but I have been able to hold my own in other venues... and like I have said before-- I might not be able to get an interview with any local PD-- so I have to create my own path to be better at my craft.

One other thing-- IF I am average... and IF I am not that good... apparently-- and this is just me speaking from an observation-- WHY is it that operations like Time Warner Metro Sports and the Dallas Cowboys as well as other operations, have asked for my services since the demise of 990... somewhere-- someone thinks I am above average...

AND I am just curious since it was stated that somewhere about 10-15 years ago-- paths crossed if it was at another AM station or a NETWORK... I am just curious if we (are) were friends?

Just a thought!

Dave Michaels
Davradio Productions
North Texas Sports Network
Plano, Texas

 

[Robert Bass]

Little1,

It's not that you attack stations, as those are fair game. Yes that includes the one I work for. What I find bothering is how you seem to attack individual people on a personal basis.

[EDIT]

My $0.02

R


[EDIT-inflammatory]

 

[little1]

Dave, we were never 'friends', I'll leave it at we crossed paths somewhere long long ago in a galaxy far far away and say we were 'friendly' to each other...

And Dave, i said you've got some talent. You're not Tom Bailey-bad, but you're also not Norm hitzges-good. You're an average talent (IMHO)...i'm just not sure a collection of average talent, (with a complete and total idiot running the operation) is going to be able to take on #1 a marconi winning sports station and #2 the local affiliate of ESPN...

Average isn't bad. But you're probably alkso suffering in my grading from the fact that you're competiting with the best that KTCK and ESPN can roll out there...In other venues (TW metro sports, Cowboys, etc) you might be above average...But I'm looking at it from a radio standpoint...

Sorry if that seems like a personal attack-[EDIT] If I were to call you an a-hole, that would be a personal attack...To say I think you're average is 'attacking' your persona/work...

Something tells me that people who see that as a personal attack have never had to sit through brutal aircheck sessions with a PD where they criticize just about everything you do...But let's all remember folks- what doesn't kill youmakes you stronger...We could probably all do with a little more criticism to make sure we're on our game...


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[Robert Bass]

Dave, we were never 'friends', I'll leave it at we crossed paths somewhere long long ago in a galaxy far far away and say we were 'friendly' to each other...

And Dave, i said you've got some talent. You're not Tom Bailey-bad, but you're also not Norm hitzges-good. You're an average talent (IMHO)...i'm just not sure a collection of average talent, (with a complete and total idiot running the operation) is going to be able to take on #1 a marconi winning sports station and #2 the local affiliate of ESPN...

Average isn't bad. But you're probably alkso suffering in my grading from the fact that you're competiting with the best that KTCK and ESPN can roll out there...In other venues (TW metro sports, Cowboys, etc) you might be above average...But I'm looking at it from a radio standpoint...

Sorry if that seems like a personal attack- [EDIT] If I were to call you an a-hole, that would be a personal attack...To say I think you're average is 'attacking' your persona/work...

Something tells me that people who see that as a personal attack have never had to sit through brutal aircheck sessions with a PD where they criticize just about everything you do...But let's all remember folks- what doesn't kill youmakes you stronger...We could probably all do with a little more criticism to make sure we're on our game...
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[EDIT]

Not everyone in the six figure salary, is happy with their job. So if someone gives up a high paying job he/she hates, in the persuit of a job he/she likes and really wants to do, isn't stupidity, even if the new job is lower in pay. It's called following one's dreams. Sure there's no guarantee every dream will become a reality, but as the old saying goes, "It's better to have love and lost, than to never have loved at all". Not attempting to follow one's dreams, especially when the rare opportunity presents itself, tends to blow the person's self esteem later on in life.

R


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[little1]

[EDIT]

Not everyone in the six figure salary, is happy with their job. So if someone gives up a high paying job he/she hates, in the persuit of a job he/she likes and really wants to do, isn't stupidity, even if the new job is lower in pay. It's called following one's dreams. Sure there's no guarantee every dream will become a reality, but as the old saying goes, "It's better to have love and lost, than to never have loved at all". Not attempting to follow one's dreams, especially when the rare opportunity presents itself, tends to blow the person's self esteem later on in life.R
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the problem that the job wasn't for LOWER pay, it was for NO pay. The operative part of that sentence is 'to work for Tom Bailey'.

I'm all for people following their dreams, going for an opportunity that presents itself. I just know from expereince that anything involving Tom Bailey isn't a dream, it's a nightmare.