Hartford Councilwoman wants WPHH and WZMX to monitor Lyrics

[wxctintern]

I saw on the news last night that some city councilwoman wants WPHH and WZMX to monitor their lyrics in the music they play. She thinks the music they play on those stations are bad influences on children. She thinks that the kids will start acting violent like the rappers do because the rappers make millions of dollars acting how they act so the kids will make millions too. All I have to say to this old woman is go back to listening to GOSPEL 1480. I listen to rap music and it doesn't make me want to do drugs, kill cops, steal cars, sleep with hundreds of women, etc, etc, etc.<P ID="signature">______________
~Jay Clark~
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[WCWalker]

***There is strong evidence to suggest the youth in today's culture are becoming increasingly violent due to the questionable and violent content found in today's music and television. If today's kids were not being influenced by the counter culture they would not walk, talk, dress and act like those creeps they worship.

Just one example: A few years ago a 13 year old kid in FLA was "playing" WWE wrestling with an 8 year old girl when he put a certain move on her it broke her neck and she died.

When I was a kid we used to emulate our favorite ball players or the Three Stooges. However we were intelligent enough to know that eye poking on TV was not real and that someone could be hurt if it was not carried out in the right manner.

If I saved every story I've ever read where some kid claims to have mimicked a stunt on TV in real life and the consequences it had on other people then I could easily write a small book.


> I saw on the news last night that some city councilwoman
> wants WPHH and WZMX to monitor their lyrics in the music
> they play. She thinks the music they play on those stations
> are bad influences on children. She thinks that the kids
> will start acting violent like the rappers do because the
> rappers make millions of dollars acting how they act so the
> kids will make millions too. All I have to say to this old
> woman is go back to listening to GOSPEL 1480. I listen to
> rap music and it doesn't make me want to do drugs, kill
> cops, steal cars, sleep with hundreds of women, etc, etc,
> etc.
>

 

[SCRHack]

There was this guy Byrd I think was his name he got paralyzed from playing football. Christian Okoye can't walk right that was from playing football.

Hm on the news today I heard nothing but shootings and child molestations doesn't make me want to do that any more or less.

People raise your children. Don't let the TV do it for you.

Enough of this cruel world syndrome... that everything is awful everyone is out to get you, BUT none of it is your fault. Puh-leaze. People get hurt every day doing something stupid mimicking something on TV or not. I just watched Batman Begins I'm not going to become a vigilante in the near future... This is utterly sad.

You could write a small book about every incident you've read about... I can name about 50 that disprove your theory and go into great lengths why its wrong. This isn't anything new. This has nothing to do with music, video games, books, etc. It has everything to do with parents not wanting to raise their chilren OR not being able to raise their children because of the fact that the economic state of the country is spiralling out of control.

And if you're telling me NO ONE, not one person EVER got poked in the eye because of the three stoges, you are out of your frickin mind.

Should Power and Hot monitor their lyrics? Probably not any more than they already do. How bout monitoring the mind numbing banter that some of thier jocks put on our ears that teach kids ignorance is ok, that not knowing how to speak properly is ok. Thats a much more dangerous weapon than any 50 Cent song.

 

[WCWalker]

***The media and pop culture is acting VERY irresponsibly when they permit such graphic violence to permeat and ultimately rule this culture. And the sleazy overtly sexual nature of prime time TV along with the music they listen to today has led to a high degree of sexual promiscuity even among kids that are barely teenagers.

There's a big difference between a kid getting poked in the eye because his buddy mimicked The Three Stooges vs. some kid acting out a violent act he saw on TV. Most of today's kids have soft, dull minds that are easily manipulated by the garbage that is fed by the media. And the government sits by and allows it all to happen. The FCC claims it is doing something by creating ridiculous fines for swear words that are uttered on TV or Radio but I can assure you that is nothing more than going through the motions and will have little impact on the youth.

Yes, it is up to parents to parent their kids but the government and media has done their best to put a stop to parenting and destroy the family unit. A parent can no longer discipline his kid without having to worry about being arrested for it. And the message the media gives to kids today is that THEY run the household, not the parents and that they can do essentially as they please without having to worry about their parents. Having both parents being forced to work while they dump their kids at a daycare center or outside certainly is not the solution to the problem.

Ask yourself this: "50 years ago, even one hundred years ago this stuff was not happening in our culture. What has changed to allow it to happen?" Any rational person will come up with the answer.





> There was this guy Byrd I think was his name he got
> paralyzed from playing football. Christian Okoye can't walk
> right that was from playing football.
>
> Hm on the news today I heard nothing but shootings and child
> molestations doesn't make me want to do that any more or
> less.
>
> People raise your children. Don't let the TV do it for you.
>
> Enough of this cruel world syndrome... that everything is
> awful everyone is out to get you, BUT none of it is your
> fault. Puh-leaze. People get hurt every day doing something
> stupid mimicking something on TV or not. I just watched
> Batman Begins I'm not going to become a vigilante in the
> near future... This is utterly sad.
>
> You could write a small book about every incident you've
> read about... I can name about 50 that disprove your theory
> and go into great lengths why its wrong. This isn't anything
> new. This has nothing to do with music, video games, books,
> etc. It has everything to do with parents not wanting to
> raise their chilren OR not being able to raise their
> children because of the fact that the economic state of the
> country is spiralling out of control.
>
> And if you're telling me NO ONE, not one person EVER got
> poked in the eye because of the three stoges, you are out of
> your frickin mind.
>
> Should Power and Hot monitor their lyrics? Probably not any
> more than they already do. How bout monitoring the mind
> numbing banter that some of thier jocks put on our ears that
> teach kids ignorance is ok, that not knowing how to speak
> properly is ok. Thats a much more dangerous weapon than any
> 50 Cent song.
>

 

[antennafarm]

> ***The media and pop culture is acting VERY irresponsibly
> when they permit such graphic violence to permeat and
> ultimately rule this culture. And the sleazy overtly sexual
> nature of prime time TV along with the music they listen to
> today has led to a high degree of sexual promiscuity even
> among kids that are barely teenagers.
>
> There's a big difference between a kid getting poked in the
> eye because his buddy mimicked The Three Stooges vs. some
> kid acting out a violent act he saw on TV. Most of today's
> kids have soft, dull minds that are easily manipulated by
> the garbage that is fed by the media. And the government
> sits by and allows it all to happen. The FCC claims it is
> doing something by creating ridiculous fines for swear words
> that are uttered on TV or Radio but I can assure you that is
> nothing more than going through the motions and will have
> little impact on the youth.
>
> Yes, it is up to parents to parent their kids but the
> government and media has done their best to put a stop to
> parenting and destroy the family unit. A parent can no
> longer discipline his kid without having to worry about
> being arrested for it. And the message the media gives to
> kids today is that THEY run the household, not the parents
> and that they can do essentially as they please without
> having to worry about their parents. Having both parents
> being forced to work while they dump their kids at a daycare
> center or outside certainly is not the solution to the
> problem.
>
> Ask yourself this: "50 years ago, even one hundred years
> ago this stuff was not happening in our culture. What has
> changed to allow it to happen?" Any rational person will
> come up with the answer.
>
> Because of the high salary of radio jobs, I do school dances to make extra $$$ and I can tell you first hand that most parents have NO clue as to what their kids are listening to. Local stations are usually playing the safe "radio edits" anyway but the real McCoy with the filthy lyrics are sold on CD or downloaded. The kids are getting the full, unedited versions off the net or on BTV or MTV..places like that. Not all rap and Hip Hop is bad either but kids love "potty mouth" stuff. I use "radio edits" at schools, which eliminates most bad words but the inuendos are still there. Would you believe that a few kids get mad at me for playing the "edited" tracks but the teachers and school officials love it. My own 14-year-old son won't listen to rap becuase of the bad language in it. He asks "why do they spoil a perfectly good song with some junk like that??" Good question. As for influence, when I was a kid, the Rolling Stones recorded "Lets spend the night together" but I didn't run out and find a woman to sleep with. Wanted to.....but thats another story. There's alwasy some council/selectman/official on a witch hunt too. It's a local election year.
>
>
>
> > There was this guy Byrd I think was his name he got
> > paralyzed from playing football. Christian Okoye can't
> walk
> > right that was from playing football.
> >
> > Hm on the news today I heard nothing but shootings and
> child
> > molestations doesn't make me want to do that any more or
> > less.
> >
> > People raise your children. Don't let the TV do it for
> you.
> >
> > Enough of this cruel world syndrome... that everything is
> > awful everyone is out to get you, BUT none of it is your
> > fault. Puh-leaze. People get hurt every day doing
> something
> > stupid mimicking something on TV or not. I just watched
> > Batman Begins I'm not going to become a vigilante in the
> > near future... This is utterly sad.
> >
> > You could write a small book about every incident you've
> > read about... I can name about 50 that disprove your
> theory
> > and go into great lengths why its wrong. This isn't
> anything
> > new. This has nothing to do with music, video games,
> books,
> > etc. It has everything to do with parents not wanting to
> > raise their chilren OR not being able to raise their
> > children because of the fact that the economic state of
> the
> > country is spiralling out of control.
> >
> > And if you're telling me NO ONE, not one person EVER got
> > poked in the eye because of the three stoges, you are out
> of
> > your frickin mind.
> >
> > Should Power and Hot monitor their lyrics? Probably not
> any
> > more than they already do. How bout monitoring the mind
> > numbing banter that some of thier jocks put on our ears
> that
> > teach kids ignorance is ok, that not knowing how to speak
> > properly is ok. Thats a much more dangerous weapon than
> any
> > 50 Cent song.
> >
>

 

[RobertAnthony]

> > ***The media and pop culture is acting VERY irresponsibly
> > when they permit such graphic violence to permeat and
> > ultimately rule this culture. And the sleazy overtly
> sexual
> > nature of prime time TV along with the music they listen
> to
> > today has led to a high degree of sexual promiscuity even
> > among kids that are barely teenagers.
> >
> > There's a big difference between a kid getting poked in
> the
> > eye because his buddy mimicked The Three Stooges vs. some
> > kid acting out a violent act he saw on TV. Most of
> today's
> > kids have soft, dull minds that are easily manipulated by
> > the garbage that is fed by the media. And the government
>
> > sits by and allows it all to happen. The FCC claims it is
>
> > doing something by creating ridiculous fines for swear
> words
> > that are uttered on TV or Radio but I can assure you that
> is
> > nothing more than going through the motions and will have
> > little impact on the youth.
> >
> > Yes, it is up to parents to parent their kids but the
> > government and media has done their best to put a stop to
> > parenting and destroy the family unit. A parent can no
> > longer discipline his kid without having to worry about
> > being arrested for it. And the message the media gives to
>
> > kids today is that THEY run the household, not the parents
>
> > and that they can do essentially as they please without
> > having to worry about their parents. Having both parents
> > being forced to work while they dump their kids at a
> daycare
> > center or outside certainly is not the solution to the
> > problem.
> >
> > Ask yourself this: "50 years ago, even one hundred years
> > ago this stuff was not happening in our culture. What has
>
> > changed to allow it to happen?" Any rational person will
> > come up with the answer.
> >
> > Because of the high salary of radio jobs, I do school
> dances to make extra $$$ and I can tell you first hand that
> most parents have NO clue as to what their kids are
> listening to. Local stations are usually playing the safe
> "radio edits" anyway but the real McCoy with the filthy
> lyrics are sold on CD or downloaded. The kids are getting
> the full, unedited versions off the net or on BTV or
> MTV..places like that. Not all rap and Hip Hop is bad
> either but kids love "potty mouth" stuff. I use "radio
> edits" at schools, which eliminates most bad words but the
> inuendos are still there. Would you believe that a few kids
> get mad at me for playing the "edited" tracks but the
> teachers and school officials love it. My own 14-year-old
> son won't listen to rap becuase of the bad language in it.
> He asks "why do they spoil a perfectly good song with some
> junk like that??" Good question. As for influence, when I
> was a kid, the Rolling Stones recorded "Lets spend the night
> together" but I didn't run out and find a woman to sleep
> with. Wanted to.....but thats another story. There's alwasy
> some council/selectman/official on a witch hunt too. It's a
> local election year.

When I worked for a month at WGCH, their yearly salary for a newsman was $18,000--CAN'T LIVE ON THAT IN RICH AND POWERFUL LFC (Lower Fairfield County)--also, my p-t gigs at WSTC/WNLK--$8.50/hour--but this was p-t mind you. Your son by the way asked a somewhat common, but effective question. And in terms of the politicos, some of them may be desperate for votes--so they rely on the oldest trick of the left--emotions and feelings--not thoughts. It's one's responsibility as to what they listen to--but parents these days were children growing up in the Vietnam and Disco eras where EVERYTHING was wide open with no CONSEQUENCES--there in lies the rub--CONSEQUENCES. When some irresponsible nut doesn't allow for the consequences of their actions, they turn to the government or embarass themselves even further by going on trashy talk show--ESPECIALLY MAURY AND SPRINGER!
> >
> >
> >
> > > There was this guy Byrd I think was his name he got
> > > paralyzed from playing football. Christian Okoye can't
> > walk
> > > right that was from playing football.
> > >
> > > Hm on the news today I heard nothing but shootings and
> > child
> > > molestations doesn't make me want to do that any more or
>
> > > less.
> > >
> > > People raise your children. Don't let the TV do it for
> > you.
> > >
> > > Enough of this cruel world syndrome... that everything
> is
> > > awful everyone is out to get you, BUT none of it is your
>
> > > fault. Puh-leaze. People get hurt every day doing
> > something
> > > stupid mimicking something on TV or not. I just watched
> > > Batman Begins I'm not going to become a vigilante in the
>
> > > near future... This is utterly sad.
> > >
> > > You could write a small book about every incident you've
>
> > > read about... I can name about 50 that disprove your
> > theory
> > > and go into great lengths why its wrong. This isn't
> > anything
> > > new. This has nothing to do with music, video games,
> > books,
> > > etc. It has everything to do with parents not wanting to
>
> > > raise their chilren OR not being able to raise their
> > > children because of the fact that the economic state of
> > the
> > > country is spiralling out of control.
> > >
> > > And if you're telling me NO ONE, not one person EVER got
>
> > > poked in the eye because of the three stoges, you are
> out
> > of
> > > your frickin mind.
> > >
> > > Should Power and Hot monitor their lyrics? Probably not
> > any
> > > more than they already do. How bout monitoring the mind
> > > numbing banter that some of thier jocks put on our ears
> > that
> > > teach kids ignorance is ok, that not knowing how to
> speak
> > > properly is ok. Thats a much more dangerous weapon than
> > any
> > > 50 Cent song.
> > >
> >
>

 

[SCRHack]

> ***The media and pop culture is acting VERY irresponsibly
> when they permit such graphic violence to permeat and
> ultimately rule this culture. And the sleazy overtly sexual
> nature of prime time TV along with the music they listen to
> today has led to a high degree of sexual promiscuity even
> among kids that are barely teenagers.



Sleazy, overtly sexual nature... leads to sexual promiscuity... that was NEVER a problem in the sixities... ever. Definitly not. Oh and in Europe where nudity is allowed on TV you hear about all their high rates of childhood pregnancy and abortions and what not right? RIGHT? No you don't.


> There's a big difference between a kid getting poked in the
> eye because his buddy mimicked The Three Stooges vs. some
> kid acting out a violent act he saw on TV. Most of today's
> kids have soft, dull minds that are easily manipulated by
> the garbage that is fed by the media. And the government
> sits by and allows it all to happen. The FCC claims it is
> doing something by creating ridiculous fines for swear words
> that are uttered on TV or Radio but I can assure you that is
> nothing more than going through the motions and will have
> little impact on the youth.
>

Please tell me the difference? Both are mimicking a show that were not intended to be mimicked... At least Jackass and shows of that Ilk show a warning before it. Did the Stooges have that? How many wrench related deaths were there? I'd love to find at least one. Easily manipulated, maybe. But I find it more like searching for guidance that isn't found at home. You allow TV to raise these children this is what they are going to know. AND those fines you talk about have a GREAT impact on the youth. It gets them talking about how silly the FCC and how HORRIBLE censorship is. What is so wrong with a swear word. It is all in the defined meaning behind it, which is culturally attached. Swears are not a big problem my friend. They're just words.

> Yes, it is up to parents to parent their kids but the
> government and media has done their best to put a stop to
> parenting and destroy the family unit. A parent can no
> longer discipline his kid without having to worry about
> being arrested for it. And the message the media gives to
> kids today is that THEY run the household, not the parents
> and that they can do essentially as they please without
> having to worry about their parents. Having both parents
> being forced to work while they dump their kids at a daycare
> center or outside certainly is not the solution to the
> problem.

The family unit did a great job destroying itself. Government and media have nothing to do with it. There is a difference between discipline and abuse and some people tread that line way too closely. And its not MEDIA that gives Parents the idea that the kids run the household... ITS PARENTS. Who gives these kids disposable income making marketing to kids I think it was 8-16 (PEOPLE WHO CANT HAVE JOBS) a multi-BILLION dollar industry. Parents are thinking money cures everything, and God forbid they question what their kid is buying... that would mean they love dthem left. And you are 100% correct putting kids in day care is not the solution, having affordable housing and food and gas and automobiles is. This is a soceity which is told to BURY itself in debt, if you can afford the payment you can afford it. People are basically constantly putting themselves in monatary RUIN in order to afford not a LUXURY lifestyle but basic human needs, such as food clothing and shelter. The media is not at fault for this.




> Ask yourself this: "50 years ago, even one hundred years
> ago this stuff was not happening in our culture. What has
> changed to allow it to happen?" Any rational person will
> come up with the answer.
>
Yeah its called evolution, technology, inflation. Prices go up, both parents need to work to survive, home life shaken for children. 100 years ago... what media was there? Newspapers. Oh and the birth of comics shortly after that which were said to do the SAME thing you claim media does now... odd. Even had to be approved by the comic concil.

WCWalker do me a favor, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/002-1743992-5344854?v=glance&s=books click that link. I helped my prof. with her research and I'm quoted a couple times in the book. You are preaching to the wrong person about this my friend.

You can harken me back to whatever time you want. Its not the same as today and it isn't the medias fault. In fact the media takes MORE responsibility than it should for its action. We are an oversensitive nation, that cant stand to see a woman's bare back on television. Or a football player FEIGNING a moon to a crowd. Its sad, sad day when we are so "weak minded" as you stated that all our decesions need to be made for us.

 

[Stick_Davis]

> > Ask yourself this: "50 years ago, even one hundred years
> > ago this stuff was not happening in our culture. What has
> > changed to allow it to happen?" Any rational person will
> > come up with the answer.
> >
> Yeah its called evolution, technology, inflation. Prices go
> up, both parents need to work to survive, home life shaken
> for children. 100 years ago... what media was there?
> Newspapers. Oh and the birth of comics shortly after that
> which were said to do the SAME thing you claim media does
> now... odd. Even had to be approved by the comic concil.

You know, the funny thing is, it was the government that has given children more power. Think about it. A child can divorce his or her parents if he or she doesn't like the way they parent. A child can get his or her parent into SERIOUS trouble for physical punishment. School teachers are ever-more sensitive to issues of language and touch.

And now that the child has all this power, now we look to the government again because they're getting out of control, and the parents don't know what to do. It's much easier to blame media outlets for bad words and sexuality than it is to blame yourself for being crappy parents.

I completely agree -- look at Europe. Nudity is accepted in the culture, even in commercials. Swear words are nothing more than words. And look at alcohol!

Let's leave radio and television alone and fix the real problem ... parents.

 

[WCWalker]

> > ***The media and pop culture is acting VERY irresponsibly
> > when they permit such graphic violence to permeat and
> > ultimately rule this culture. And the sleazy overtly
> sexual
> > nature of prime time TV along with the music they listen
> to
> > today has led to a high degree of sexual promiscuity even
> > among kids that are barely teenagers.
>
>
>
> Sleazy, overtly sexual nature... leads to sexual
> promiscuity... that was NEVER a problem in the sixities...
> ever. Definitly not. Oh and in Europe where nudity is
> allowed on TV you hear about all their high rates of
> childhood pregnancy and abortions and what not right? RIGHT?
> No you don't.

***Not in the mainstream media it wasn't. The counter culture revolution of the 60's was an underground movement that didn't rule our youth. Most of the people involved with it were in their late teens and 20's and aside from a few protest marches I don't believe they were out murdering one another because of the content of their music or televisions shows.

Thankfully the USA is not yet Europe despite the fact we have a bunch of globalist creeps running things that want this country to be modeled after Europe. When the UN has control of this country then you know their goal has been achieved.

The mainsteam media in this country does not tell the whole story. Most of what you see or hear is censored and the only place to get the real story is through alternative media or sometimes at radio and television at the local level. National mainstream media? Forget it.

>
>
> > There's a big difference between a kid getting poked in
> the
> > eye because his buddy mimicked The Three Stooges vs. some
> > kid acting out a violent act he saw on TV. Most of
> today's
> > kids have soft, dull minds that are easily manipulated by
> > the garbage that is fed by the media. And the government
>
> > sits by and allows it all to happen. The FCC claims it is
>
> > doing something by creating ridiculous fines for swear
> words
> > that are uttered on TV or Radio but I can assure you that
> is
> > nothing more than going through the motions and will have
> > little impact on the youth.
> >
>
> Please tell me the difference? Both are mimicking a show
> that were not intended to be mimicked...

***You are missing the point. 20 years ago, 50 years ago etc. kids were not murdering one another like they are today. We fought with our fists and occasionally in the worst urban areas the kids fought with knives, bats and chains. However that was gang related violence and not typical for the average kid on the block.

The Pop culture of today glorifies violence and hate and it is affecting the kids. If you keep telling a kid he's dumb eventually he'll believe it. Keep showing kids mindless violence and eventually they will become desensitized to the point that they won't think twice about committing an act that will seriously harm or kill another person.


At least Jackass
> and shows of that Ilk show a warning before it. Did the
> Stooges have that? How many wrench related deaths were
> there? I'd love to find at least one.

***None on record. Precisely my point. The 3 Stooges are very tame and you don't see heads getting blown off or quarts of blood spilling on the ground from a person after being riddled with bullets.

Easily manipulated,
> maybe. But I find it more like searching for guidance that
> isn't found at home. You allow TV to raise these children
> this is what they are going to know. AND those fines you
> talk about have a GREAT impact on the youth. It gets them
> talking about how silly the FCC and how HORRIBLE censorship
> is. What is so wrong with a swear word.

***Obviously you don't believe in ANY moral values even for our youth. What's wrong with a swear word? That does not dignify a response especially if you cannnot see the difference between displaying that behavior for impressionable minds to see and hear vs. keeping them out of harms way.

I don't believe in censorship as a rule and I think the FCC's new fines are ridiculous. However I also believe it is up to individuals to ACT RESPONSIBLY AND POLICE THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN ACTIONS and they need to first consider how their actions will impact the world around them before acting. Think of it as this "my freedom stops where another person's starts".

When you get out of control and act in an improper manner then you pay the price. The media is getting out of control with the mindless sex and violence during prime time and eventually something has got to give. If they don't take responsibility for their own actions then someone is going to crack down on the them and it will hurt them where they'd least like it, in the wallet.


It is all in the
> defined meaning behind it, which is culturally attached.
> Swears are not a big problem my friend. They're just words.

***This logic sounds like it came from that female California legislator that wanted to make the legal age of consent 12 years old.

Swearing in the privacy of a home among other adults is one thing but to do it in front of our children is another matter altogether. Someday when you have children you'll understand.

>
> > Yes, it is up to parents to parent their kids but the
> > government and media has done their best to put a stop to
> > parenting and destroy the family unit. A parent can no
> > longer discipline his kid without having to worry about
> > being arrested for it. And the message the media gives to
>
> > kids today is that THEY run the household, not the parents
>
> > and that they can do essentially as they please without
> > having to worry about their parents. Having both parents
> > being forced to work while they dump their kids at a
> daycare
> > center or outside certainly is not the solution to the
> > problem.
>
> The family unit did a great job destroying itself.

***And with commercials like "They eat what they like and I like what they eat" being played all the time (not too long ago) clearly a message is being sent to the kids watching it. Or how about the recent advertisement that shows a Car Salesman chauferring a mini van load of kids around town for a test drive? The little kids are ordering him to do this and do that etc. while he sits there and has to take it.

Again, this sends a subliminal message to our kids that it is perfectly acceptable to order your parents around. In other words it says it is acceptable to misbehave and ignore your parents wishes.


> Government and media have nothing to do with it.

***Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,. Hilarious!

THEY CREATED THIS MESS! Government policy and the crap I've already outlined that is being played on TV and radio and Pop music is responsible for most of the garbage that is taking place.


There is a
> difference between discipline and abuse and some people
> tread that line way too closely. And its not MEDIA that
> gives Parents the idea that the kids run the household...

***Most certainly does.

> ITS PARENTS. Who gives these kids disposable income making
> marketing to kids I think it was 8-16 (PEOPLE WHO CANT HAVE
> JOBS) a multi-BILLION dollar industry.

***Parents cave into their demands because other parents are doing it. A kid sees a toy on TV, his parents buy it and pretty soon every other moron in the neighborhood has to keep up with the Joneses.

Parents are thinking
> money cures everything, and God forbid they question what
> their kid is buying... that would mean they love dthem left.

***The Pop culture is responsible for this.

> And you are 100% correct putting kids in day care is not the
> solution, having affordable housing and food and gas and
> automobiles is. This is a soceity which is told to BURY
> itself in debt, if you can afford the payment you can afford
> it. People are basically constantly putting themselves in
> monatary RUIN in order to afford not a LUXURY lifestyle but
> basic human needs, such as food clothing and shelter. The
> media is not at fault for this.

***They are being brainwashed by Prime Time TV. That simple.

People were not acting like this when we had shows like I Love Lucy, Leave It To Beaver, The Honeymooners, Brady Bunch, The Waltons etc. at the top of the heap.

My parents grew up during the Depression and did not watch Prime Time TV and they rarely let us kids watch it. My upbringing was different than the kids that had parents that watched Prime Time TV especially if the kids were watching it. My friends that did watch more TV were more apt to materialistic than those that did not watch much TV.

>
>
>
>
> > Ask yourself this: "50 years ago, even one hundred years
> > ago this stuff was not happening in our culture. What has
>
> > changed to allow it to happen?" Any rational person will
> > come up with the answer.
> >
> Yeah its called evolution, technology, inflation. Prices go
> up, both parents need to work to survive, home life shaken
> for children.

***It's called De-evolution. The CIA was behind the destruction of the family unit. They in fact recruited Gloria Steinam and the rest of the Feminists to create a counter culture revolution that would destroy the family unit. This is documented and if you take some time and do some real research (not that stuff you learned in college) you'll find out what is really going on.


100 years ago... what media was there?
> Newspapers. Oh and the birth of comics shortly after that
> which were said to do the SAME thing you claim media does
> now... odd. Even had to be approved by the comic concil.
>
> WCWalker do me a favor,
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0786416920/qid=11189> 30198/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-1743992-5344854?v=glance&s=books
> click that link. I helped my prof. with her research and I'm
> quoted a couple times in the book. You are preaching to the
> wrong person about this my friend.

***Good for you. I have a friend that is a Professor at a Univ. and he'll dispute virtually every word you've said.

Anyone can write a book and have it published but that hardly means they are qualified or well informed.

>
> You can harken me back to whatever time you want. Its not
> the same as today and it isn't the medias fault. In fact the
> media takes MORE responsibility than it should for its
> action.

***The mainstream media is controlled by the government. They are spewing out propaganda at an alarming level on the network news and prime time television.

We are an oversensitive nation, that cant stand to
> see a woman's bare back on television.

***A bare back is one thing but certain other things don't belong on TV or in public. It's called common sense and good taste.

You must be a woman. Men are visually stimulated by women and the more women bare it in public or on TV the more men are going to get stimulated. Understand? That is not necessarily a good thing if you know what I mean.

Or a football player
> FEIGNING a moon to a crowd. Its sad, sad day when we are so
> "weak minded" as you stated that all our decesions need to
> be made for us.

***Yes, the media and government have and are making all the decisions for you and have been doing it for decades.


>

 

[WCWalker]

***And the government has given a 12 year old girl legal permission to obtain an abortion without parental consent or knowledge.

Are parents responsible for that?

The media spews out adult themes to children and now the kids are acting like adults long before they can comprehend the repercussions of their actions. It's bad enough we have adults engaging in such awful behavior but now it is wiping out a generation of children. This does not bode well fo rour future.



> > > Ask yourself this: "50 years ago, even one hundred
> years
> > > ago this stuff was not happening in our culture. What
> has
> > > changed to allow it to happen?" Any rational person
> will
> > > come up with the answer.
> > >
> > Yeah its called evolution, technology, inflation. Prices
> go
> > up, both parents need to work to survive, home life shaken
>
> > for children. 100 years ago... what media was there?
> > Newspapers. Oh and the birth of comics shortly after that
> > which were said to do the SAME thing you claim media does
> > now... odd. Even had to be approved by the comic concil.
>
> You know, the funny thing is, it was the government that has
> given children more power. Think about it. A child can
> divorce his or her parents if he or she doesn't like the way
> they parent. A child can get his or her parent into SERIOUS
> trouble for physical punishment. School teachers are
> ever-more sensitive to issues of language and touch.
>
> And now that the child has all this power, now we look to
> the government again because they're getting out of control,
> and the parents don't know what to do. It's much easier to
> blame media outlets for bad words and sexuality than it is
> to blame yourself for being crappy parents.
>
> I completely agree -- look at Europe. Nudity is accepted in
> the culture, even in commercials. Swear words are nothing
> more than words. And look at alcohol!
>
> Let's leave radio and television alone and fix the real
> problem ... parents.
>

 

[SCRHack]

> ***Not in the mainstream media it wasn't. The counter
> culture revolution of the 60's was an underground movement
> that didn't rule our youth. Most of the people involved
> with it were in their late teens and 20's and aside from a
> few protest marches I don't believe they were out murdering
> one another because of the content of their music or
> televisions shows.
>
> Thankfully the USA is not yet Europe despite the fact we
> have a bunch of globalist creeps running things that want
> this country to be modeled after Europe. When the UN has
> control of this country then you know their goal has been
> achieved.
>
> The mainsteam media in this country does not tell the whole
> story. Most of what you see or hear is censored and the
> only place to get the real story is through alternative
> media or sometimes at radio and television at the local
> level. National mainstream media? Forget it.
>

The USA is not yet Europe? We should STRIVE to be Europe and Canada. Kids are smarter than ours... they work less hours than us, National healthcare. Less drunk driving accidents with underaged people. And did you just complain about something be censored. I thought you wanted MORE censorship heaven forgive if I ever dropped an f-bomb.


>
> ***You are missing the point. 20 years ago, 50 years ago
> etc. kids were not murdering one another like they are
> today. We fought with our fists and occasionally in the
> worst urban areas the kids fought with knives, bats and
> chains. However that was gang related violence and not
> typical for the average kid on the block.
>
> The Pop culture of today glorifies violence and hate and it
> is affecting the kids. If you keep telling a kid he's dumb
> eventually he'll believe it. Keep showing kids mindless
> violence and eventually they will become desensitized to the
> point that they won't think twice about committing an act
> that will seriously harm or kill another person.


People have been murdering people since the beginning of time. This isn't something new. Earlier on it was rocks and sticks, now its guns and knives. It's just a matter of evolution. It has nothing to do with pop culture. People used to handle their matters with duels. That was a very long time ago. The desensitization is a very good point. It doesn't mean that they're going to kill someone else. It just means that the violence and disturbing images won't effect them not make them into killing machines.



> ***None on record. Precisely my point. The 3 Stooges are
> very tame and you don't see heads getting blown off or
> quarts of blood spilling on the ground from a person after
> being riddled with bullets.

I am more than positive if I looked hard enough I could find stooge related deaths.


> ***Obviously you don't believe in ANY moral values even for
> our youth. What's wrong with a swear word? That does not
> dignify a response especially if you cannnot see the
> difference between displaying that behavior for
> impressionable minds to see and hear vs. keeping them out of
> harms way.

No moral values? That's nice... not in the least I believe its up to individuls to define the morals for their children NOT me. I have no kids I have no responsibility to any children. If I wanna swear in public its up to someone to take their kids aside and say... that word doesn't mena anything it just shows the lack of intelligence that man has because his vocabulary isn't wide enough to come up with something else. Keeping a child out of harm's way is not the responsibility of a rapper trying to make a buck...


> I don't believe in censorship as a rule and I think the
> FCC's new fines are ridiculous. However I also believe it
> is up to individuals to ACT RESPONSIBLY AND POLICE
> THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN ACTIONS and they need to first
> consider how their actions will impact the world around them
> before acting. Think of it as this "my freedom stops where
> another person's starts".

My freedom to express myself never ends because someone is offended by the way I am doing it. An artist has NO reason to police themselves if they are just telling the world what THEY experienced how THEIR life was...they are making a product to be consumed. It is the person who is CONSUMING who has the responsibility. I can hear tons of messages does not mean I have to buy into each and every one of them. This is TEACHING a child not CONTROLLING Them. I am not impeeding on anyone's freedom by rapping about "bitches" and "hos". You don't have to listen.

>
> When you get out of control and act in an improper manner
> then you pay the price. The media is getting out of control
> with the mindless sex and violence during prime time and
> eventually something has got to give. If they don't take
> responsibility for their own actions then someone is going
> to crack down on the them and it will hurt them where they'd
> least like it, in the wallet.
>
You know what cracks down on them, ratings. Not buying their products. Don't like it don't buy it, watch it, and listen to it.


> It is all in the
> > defined meaning behind it, which is culturally attached.
> > Swears are not a big problem my friend. They're just
> words.
>
> ***This logic sounds like it came from that female
> California legislator that wanted to make the legal age of
> consent 12 years old.
>
> Swearing in the privacy of a home among other adults is one
> thing but to do it in front of our children is another
> matter altogether. Someday when you have children you'll
> understand.

Some day when I have children I'll explain to them its only words and though words can hurt people say them sometimes when they don't have anything better to say. You're bit about the California legislator has no bearing here don't know why you feel the need to bring it up. LANGUAGE not just curse words are culturally defined, also known as dialect. IE the difference between a sub, hoagie and a hero.

> ***And with commercials like "They eat what they like and I
> like what they eat" being played all the time (not too long
> ago) clearly a message is being sent to the kids watching
> it. Or how about the recent advertisement that shows a Car
> Salesman chauferring a mini van load of kids around town for
> a test drive? The little kids are ordering him to do this
> and do that etc. while he sits there and has to take it.
>
> Again, this sends a subliminal message to our kids that it
> is perfectly acceptable to order your parents around. In
> other words it says it is acceptable to misbehave and ignore
> your parents wishes.

Eat what we like? Dude, you're outside your mind. Thats just saying kids should eat a HEALTHY ceral Kix because they like it not because they're parents want them to. Subliminal message is not quite what you're looking for thats actually super-liminal if you will it is out and out STATING what you're trying to prove. But I'm relatively sure that advertisers did not go out and say hey... let's ruin the fabric of the American family today. Subliminal is like the images of demons that were flashed in The Exorcist in one second frames that were too quick for the eyes to pick up but the brain processed it. Kids are not taught to ignore their parents wishes by ads. They are taught that by the parents being soft.

> ***Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,. Hilarious!
>
> THEY CREATED THIS MESS! Government policy and the crap I've
> already outlined that is being played on TV and radio and
> Pop music is responsible for most of the garbage that is
> taking place.


HOW? Because we are too stupid to think for ourselves and our influenced by them in ways that we can't explain. I'm sorry your magic bullet theory as it is known in media studies has been disproven on just about every level. I'm sure the Beatles were responsible for increased drug use as well, Peter Paul and Mary same things... You act like this is new like this is the responsibility of the artists of today and that artists of the past are completly scott free of any blame whatsoever. Or was it that people were smarter than and weren't as easily manipulated. So basically as a 23-year-old, my kids will be borderline retarded because the intelligence of the American child continues to shrink on a daily basis. Oh and do you believe that Manson killed because of Helter Skelter (Couldn't he have picked a better song?), and that dog told the son of sam killer to kill?



> ***Parents cave into their demands because other parents are
> doing it. A kid sees a toy on TV, his parents buy it and
> pretty soon every other moron in the neighborhood has to
> keep up with the Joneses.

So now our ADULTS are completly unable to think for themselves as well. Bunch of easily led automatons. Its substituting money for love its guilt money. I can't spend time with you have 20 bucks.


> ***The Pop culture is responsible for this.

Yeah, and the moon landing was done on a sound stage.


> ***They are being brainwashed by Prime Time TV. That
> simple.

Really? Simple. Unintelligent people unable to think or act for themselves controlled by the big wigs in Hollywood and NYC... Thats really quite simple, I don't know why I didn't think of it before!!!


> People were not acting like this when we had shows like I
> Love Lucy, Leave It To Beaver, The Honeymooners, Brady
> Bunch, The Waltons etc. at the top of the heap.

The Honeymooners? Hm... Bang Zoom Straight to the moon Alice... Beating your wife... Great example. I Love Lucy completly subserviant wife... another great thing to teach our children.


> My parents grew up during the Depression and did not watch
> Prime Time TV and they rarely let us kids watch it. My
> upbringing was different than the kids that had parents that
> watched Prime Time TV especially if the kids were watching
> it. My friends that did watch more TV were more apt to
> materialistic than those that did not watch much TV.
>

No, thats cause you were raised by parents who did not HAVE much materially, so they taught YOU not to WANT much. It has nothing to do with TV. It just so happens that the television was one of the material things you were taught not to value, whereas the other kids were not. I went to a well known private school here in CT and I saw kids driving CRAZY cars into schoool. I just now own my very first vehicle that is MINE... My parents taught me that I didn't have to have a car to be cool. TV didn't tell me that I needed an escalade with chromed out rims.


> ***It's called De-evolution. The CIA was behind the
> destruction of the family unit. They in fact recruited
> Gloria Steinam and the rest of the Feminists to create a
> counter culture revolution that would destroy the family
> unit. This is documented and if you take some time and do
> some real research (not that stuff you learned in college)
> you'll find out what is really going on.

CIA behind the destruction of the family... and the feminisit... MY GOD are you Rush? Mr. Limbaugh its a pleasure to meet you... My dear God you're crazy. My research was called living on a planet called earth, working in a Philadelphia public school. I have REAL life experience that teaches me most people who believe in conspiracy theories belong in Arkham Asylum with the Joker and the Riddler. I know whats really going on... My country is run by a moron and people like you voted for him. Feminism did not destroy the family unit by the way. The fact that women NEED to work to afford things did.


> ***Good for you. I have a friend that is a Professor at a
> Univ. and he'll dispute virtually every word you've said.
>
> Anyone can write a book and have it published but that
> hardly means they are qualified or well informed.

Yeah and any two morons can get into a shouting match online and it doesnt mean either has a shred of intelligence. You get me in touch with this friend of yours at a University I would LOVE to speak to him.


> ***The mainstream media is controlled by the government.
> They are spewing out propaganda at an alarming level on the
> network news and prime time television.

Riiiight, maybe Fox News. But there are some great bastions of truth left out there.


> ***A bare back is one thing but certain other things don't
> belong on TV or in public. It's called common sense and
> good taste.
>
> You must be a woman. Men are visually stimulated by women
> and the more women bare it in public or on TV the more men
> are going to get stimulated. Understand? That is not
> necessarily a good thing if you know what I mean.
>

I'm a man, a straight one... who is quite very stimulated by Nicolette Sheridan. Not as much as TO is. That ad which I was VERY obviously referencing was in good taste, but it caused a NATIONAL uproar. You're so far out of it you have no idea what I'm even speaking of.

> ***Yes, the media and government have and are making all the
> decisions for you and have been doing it for decades.

I'll tell you what I work for the media... and despite what you think NO ONE makes my decesions for me... This aint 1984 Mr. Orwell. This is real world. This is a nation in crisis not a gigantic conspiracy theory... Just do me a favor don't look behind the curtain, you might be shocked at what you see.

 

[DJKraze]

> I saw on the news last night that some city councilwoman
> wants WPHH and WZMX to monitor their lyrics in the music
> they play. She thinks the music they play on those stations
> are bad influences on children. She thinks that the kids
> will start acting violent like the rappers do because the
> rappers make millions of dollars acting how they act so the
> kids will make millions too. All I have to say to this old
> woman is go back to listening to GOSPEL 1480. I listen to
> rap music and it doesn't make me want to do drugs, kill
> cops, steal cars, sleep with hundreds of women, etc, etc,
> etc.
>


I question her ever having listened to either station long enough to notice that the music is HIGHLY censored before forming such an opinion. Most stations, especially the ones run by the big commercial stations, play nothing but the "extra clean" mixes of tracks.

I see this as nothing more than yet another politician looking to advance a career.

 

[cabradio]

> Most stations, especially the ones
> run by the big commercial stations, play nothing but the
> "extra clean" mixes of tracks.


Ummm....how do you clean up the Violence that is glamorized? I've never heard an "extra clean" version that took all the violence, and womanizing out. That would be like changing Ice T's Cop Killer, to "Cop Liker"...

Just so you understand, it's not about Lyrical Content (or swearing)...it's about the <U>content</U> itself. <P ID="signature">______________
</P>

 

[SCRHack]

> > Most stations, especially the ones
> > run by the big commercial stations, play nothing but the
> > "extra clean" mixes of tracks.
>
>
> Ummm....how do you clean up the Violence that is glamorized?
> I've never heard an "extra clean" version that took all the
> violence, and womanizing out. That would be like changing
> Ice T's Cop Killer, to "Cop Liker"...
>
> Just so you understand, it's not about Lyrical Content (or
> swearing)...it's about the content itself.
>
Or Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds to Tonya in the Air with Rubys. C'mon now.

 

[WCWalker]

> The USA is not yet Europe? We should STRIVE to be Europe and
> Canada. Kids are smarter than ours... they work less hours
> than us, National healthcare. Less drunk driving accidents
> with underaged people. And did you just complain about
> something be censored. I thought you wanted MORE censorship
> heaven forgive if I ever dropped an f-bomb.

***In 1980 the USA was still ranked at the top of the heap in education. Ever since the inception of the Dept. of Education and the increase in government socialism we've dropped like a rock from a hot air balloon. Now we are at the bottom of the list and EVERY single industrialized nation is now ahead of us.

By the way your comments are tantamount to wanting to see our government overthrown. No need to worry though because your side will be getting what they want in the years ahead. More big government intrusion in our lives thanks to the people in DC.

> People have been murdering people since the beginning of
> time. This isn't something new. Earlier on it was rocks and
> sticks, now its guns and knives. It's just a matter of
> evolution. It has nothing to do with pop culture. People
> used to handle their matters with duels. That was a very
> long time ago. The desensitization is a very good point. It
> doesn't mean that they're going to kill someone else. It
> just means that the violence and disturbing images won't
> effect them not make them into killing machines.

***Violent crime statistics show that the per capita rate of crime has been dropping since it peaked out in the 1930's to 1970's. However violent crimes where children are involved have skyrocketed and are much higher than at any time in recent history.



> I am more than positive if I looked hard enough I could find
> stooge related deaths.

***Doubtful.

>
> No moral values? That's nice... not in the least I believe
> its up to individuls to define the morals for their children
> NOT me.

***If society does not set a few basic guidelines for behavior then the moral compass that guides individuals is not going to be functioning correctly.

Yes, it is up to parents to mete out punishment or define values for their children but they are being neutered by the government with specific laws that prevent parents from actually using proven methods to keep children from misbehaving. A good spanking works wonders for kids and parents can no longer use this effective tool because of fear of being arrested for child abuse.


I have no kids I have no responsibility to any
> children. If I wanna swear in public its up to someone to
> take their kids aside and say... that word doesn't mena
> anything it just shows the lack of intelligence that man has
> because his vocabulary isn't wide enough to come up with
> something else. Keeping a child out of harm's way is not the
> responsibility of a rapper trying to make a buck...

***You're selfish and thoughtless and care little about others.


> My freedom to express myself never ends because someone is
> offended by the way I am doing it. An artist has NO reason
> to police themselves if they are just telling the world what
> THEY experienced how THEIR life was...they are making a
> product to be consumed. It is the person who is CONSUMING
> who has the responsibility. I can hear tons of messages does
> not mean I have to buy into each and every one of them. This
> is TEACHING a child not CONTROLLING Them. I am not impeeding
> on anyone's freedom by rapping about "bitches" and "hos".
> You don't have to listen.

***Wrong. Using your theory then it must be quite alright for the current crop of NAZIS to paint swaztikas all over the place. After all they are simply artists that must express themselves. Hitler was a painter and he was simply expressing himself in that manner. Again, another self indulgent, thoughtless response.


> Some day when I have children I'll explain to them its only
> words and though words can hurt people say them sometimes
> when they don't have anything better to say. You're bit
> about the California legislator has no bearing here don't
> know why you feel the need to bring it up. LANGUAGE not just
> curse words are culturally defined, also known as dialect.
> IE the difference between a sub, hoagie and a hero.

***Certain words in our culture are not deemed acceptable in certain social circles. Perhaps if you understood this and recognized a little self restraint might be prudent from people in certain situations then we'd live in a better world.

>
> > ***And with commercials like "They eat what they like and
> I
> > like what they eat" being played all the time (not too
> long
> > ago) clearly a message is being sent to the kids watching
> > it. Or how about the recent advertisement that shows a
> Car
> > Salesman chauferring a mini van load of kids around town
> for
> > a test drive? The little kids are ordering him to do this
>
> > and do that etc. while he sits there and has to take it.
> >
> > Again, this sends a subliminal message to our kids that it
>
> > is perfectly acceptable to order your parents around. In
> > other words it says it is acceptable to misbehave and
> ignore
> > your parents wishes.
>
> Eat what we like? Dude, you're outside your mind. Thats just
> saying kids should eat a HEALTHY ceral Kix because they like
> it not because they're parents want them to. Subliminal
> message is not quite what you're looking for thats actually
> super-liminal if you will it is out and out STATING what
> you're trying to prove. But I'm relatively sure that
> advertisers did not go out and say hey... let's ruin the
> fabric of the American family today. Subliminal is like the
> images of demons that were flashed in The Exorcist in one
> second frames that were too quick for the eyes to pick up
> but the brain processed it. Kids are not taught to ignore
> their parents wishes by ads. They are taught that by the
> parents being soft.

***Wrong again. It does send a message to a dopey kid that does not fully understand the context in which the message is given. All that 8 year old sees is a bunch of kids in the advertisement telling that mother to buy something because they like it and she gives in. That sends a message to an impressionable young mind.

The government is taking parental rights away and giving it to the state. How can a parent actually be a parent if they cannot actually discipline the kid with proven methods?


>
> HOW? Because we are too stupid to think for ourselves and
> our influenced by them in ways that we can't explain. I'm
> sorry your magic bullet theory as it is known in media
> studies has been disproven on just about every level. I'm
> sure the Beatles were responsible for increased drug use as
> well, Peter Paul and Mary same things... You act like this
> is new like this is the responsibility of the artists of
> today and that artists of the past are completly scott free
> of any blame whatsoever.

***Wrong again. Obviously you have not accurately comprehended most of what I have written. The lyrics of the Beatles were tame by comparison to the garbage that kids are listening to.


Or was it that people were smarter
> than and weren't as easily manipulated. So basically as a
> 23-year-old, my kids will be borderline retarded because the
> intelligence of the American child continues to shrink on a
> daily basis. Oh and do you believe that Manson killed
> because of Helter Skelter (Couldn't he have picked a better
> song?), and that dog told the son of sam killer to kill?

***Well that is what the perpetrators claim is it not?

People are being dumbed down with each succeeding generation. Your New Age perspective of the world is hardly grounded in reality despite the fact you claim that you are an incredibly worldly individual.


>
> So now our ADULTS are completly unable to think for
> themselves as well. Bunch of easily led automatons. Its
> substituting money for love its guilt money. I can't spend
> time with you have 20 bucks.

***Exactly. The Herd mentality that now rules our society sublimely forces people to conform. Those that don't conform don't get the raise at work or the girl for the prom. This kind of garbage is all over the media and IT DOES affect the minds of a significant percentage of the American young adult population and especially children.


>
> Yeah, and the moon landing was done on a sound stage.

***If you say so...

>
>
> > ***They are being brainwashed by Prime Time TV. That
> > simple.
>
> Really? Simple. Unintelligent people unable to think or act
> for themselves controlled by the big wigs in Hollywood and
> NYC... Thats really quite simple, I don't know why I didn't
> think of it before!!!

***You certainly refuse to acknowledge this fact.

>
>
> > People were not acting like this when we had shows like I
> > Love Lucy, Leave It To Beaver, The Honeymooners, Brady
> > Bunch, The Waltons etc. at the top of the heap.
>
> The Honeymooners? Hm... Bang Zoom Straight to the moon
> Alice... Beating your wife... Great example. I Love Lucy
> completly subserviant wife... another great thing to teach
> our children.

***Infinitely better than the garbage kids are seeing today. Men are all stupid pigs and women are mere whores to be used by men. And men are simply a paycheck that women need to latch onto for a secure future...

Desperate Housewives? 24? etc. etc. Worse than anything that was on TV during ANY preceding generation.


>
> No, thats cause you were raised by parents who did not HAVE
> much materially, so they taught YOU not to WANT much.

***YOU ARE OUT TO LUNCH.

You really think you have me figured out don't you? You certainly are not a psychologist. My family is ANYTHING but poor or lower middle class. I grew up in one of the wealthiest towns in the State of CT and members and associates of my family have worked or do at the top of some of the states leading companies or local and state government. My family is comprised of several multi millionaires as well as many others that can be considered upper middle class.

Maybe this will help you to put things in perspective. I had a friend for more than 20 years (from childhood to adulthood) whose father was Corporate Controller at AETNA Life and Casualty in Hartford. Do you know what kind of car he used to drive into work each day? A Ford Escort.


It has
> nothing to do with TV. It just so happens that the
> television was one of the material things you were taught
> not to value, whereas the other kids were not. I went to a
> well known private school here in CT and I saw kids driving
> CRAZY cars into schoool. I just now own my very first
> vehicle that is MINE... My parents taught me that I didn't
> have to have a car to be cool. TV didn't tell me that I
> needed an escalade with chromed out rims.

***Good for you. Perhaps you parents are a bit different than most these days. I have a friend that went to a well known private school in Avon and now he's a VP at one of the nation's largest airlines. Whoop tee doo! I'm not impressed.


>
> CIA behind the destruction of the family... and the
> feminisit... MY GOD are you Rush? Mr. Limbaugh its a
> pleasure to meet you... My dear God you're crazy.

***I don't even listen to Rush Limpjaw or his Neo Conservative tripe.

My
> research was called living on a planet called earth, working
> in a Philadelphia public school. I have REAL life experience
> that teaches me most people who believe in conspiracy
> theories belong in Arkham Asylum with the Joker and the
> Riddler. I know whats really going on... My country is run
> by a moron and people like you voted for him.

***You are a condescending little punk that has VERY LITTLE real world experience. I NEVER VOTED FOR THE GUY THAT CURRENTLY RESIDES IN THE OVAL OFFICE! You are the MORON for attempting to put words in my mouth and portray me as something I am not.

Just because you worked for a while in a public school in Filthydelphia hardly makes you qualified to determine who and what I am. I have a friend that teaches public high school in Brooklyn and he met his wife while on a Peace Corps mission in South America. She's from Korea and they routinely travel the world to do studies and missionary work. If they read any of your garbage they'd be laughing out loud!


Feminism did
> not destroy the family unit by the way. The fact that women
> NEED to work to afford things did.

***You cannot even comprehend what led to the demise of the family unit or what brought it about. You think it is that simple of a problem?

>

>
> Yeah and any two morons can get into a shouting match online
> and it doesnt mean either has a shred of intelligence. You
> get me in touch with this friend of yours at a University I
> would LOVE to speak to him.

***Not a chance. You are a ignorant college boy that still has a tremendous amount to learn.


>
> > ***The mainstream media is controlled by the government.
> > They are spewing out propaganda at an alarming level on
> the
> > network news and prime time television.
>
> Riiiight, maybe Fox News. But there are some great bastions
> of truth left out there.

***I hate to be the bearer of bad news but ALL of the major networks are controlled by the government. Who doles out broadcast licenses? They may not publicly state they control on air content but you can bet that behind the scenes it is a different story. If the government does not want to see a story on the air it gets yanked after it has run even one time. And if they can head it off at the pass before it airs then by God they put a stop to it.


> > ***A bare back is one thing but certain other things don't
>
> > belong on TV or in public. It's called common sense and
> > good taste.
> >
> > You must be a woman. Men are visually stimulated by women
>
> > and the more women bare it in public or on TV the more men
>
> > are going to get stimulated. Understand? That is not
> > necessarily a good thing if you know what I mean.
> >
>
> I'm a man, a straight one... who is quite very stimulated by
> Nicolette Sheridan. Not as much as TO is. That ad which I
> was VERY obviously referencing was in good taste, but it
> caused a NATIONAL uproar. You're so far out of it you have
> no idea what I'm even speaking of.

***The best way to keep crimes of a sexual nature from happening is to keep normal men from getting a little too aroused. Put less of that on TV and I guarantee you that you'll see a drop in crimes of a sexual nature against women.

And I also might add that women in the media constantly being portrayed as sexual objects (along with men) is hardly something our children need to be seeing at such a young age.

>
> > ***Yes, the media and government have and are making all
> the
> > decisions for you and have been doing it for decades.
>
> I'll tell you what I work for the media... and despite what
> you think NO ONE makes my decesions for me... This aint 1984
> Mr. Orwell. This is real world. This is a nation in crisis
> not a gigantic conspiracy theory... Just do me a favor don't
> look behind the curtain, you might be shocked at what you
> see.

***It is 1984. You need to wake up and really analyze what is taking place socially and politically in this country. RFID chips, road blocks, forced mental health screenings (Bush's New Freedom Act), x-ray machines at airports that go right through clothes and another wonderful machine at Logan Airport that can actually screen someone's brain to determine if they are upset or nervous which in turn leads to that person being pulled aside and interrogated as a potential terrorist.

Were you aware that Section 802 of the First Patriot Act states "All crimes including MISDEMEANORS are considered Terrorism?" Have you even read the Patriot Act or a portion of it?

And were you aware there is a National ID coming?

And how about James Sensenbrenners latest bill? HR 1528 the Sensenbrenner Spy Bill. Why not read that and report back.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. You are the one that is clueless.

 

[SCRHack]

> ***If society does not set a few basic guidelines for
> behavior then the moral compass that guides individuals is
> not going to be functioning correctly.
>
> Yes, it is up to parents to mete out punishment or define
> values for their children but they are being neutered by the
> government with specific laws that prevent parents from
> actually using proven methods to keep children from
> misbehaving. A good spanking works wonders for kids and
> parents can no longer use this effective tool because of
> fear of being arrested for child abuse.

A few basic guidelines has nothing to do with the censorship of music and television. You argue that the government has too much power yet you strive to give them more. And actually I agree with you head on with spanking.

> ***You're selfish and thoughtless and care little about
> others.

Glad you know so much about me Madam Cleo, ITS IN DA CARDS.



> ***Wrong. Using your theory then it must be quite alright
> for the current crop of NAZIS to paint swaztikas all over
> the place. After all they are simply artists that must
> express themselves. Hitler was a painter and he was simply
> expressing himself in that manner. Again, another self
> indulgent, thoughtless response.

Of course there are limitations. But hey I don't agree with them it doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist. I mean I have to listen to Scientologist mumbo jumbo from Tom Cruise just cause he feels like poppin off doesn't mean I want to follow his beliefs. And trust me comparing Nazi's to rappers is very far off.



> ***Certain words in our culture are not deemed acceptable in
> certain social circles. Perhaps if you understood this and
> recognized a little self restraint might be prudent from
> people in certain situations then we'd live in a better
> world.

Sure, I'll let you go on this one I notice how as I made you feel less intelligent you went to using larger words. Mr. Bombastic.

> ***Wrong again. It does send a message to a dopey kid that
> does not fully understand the context in which the message
> is given. All that 8 year old sees is a bunch of kids in
> the advertisement telling that mother to buy something
> because they like it and she gives in. That sends a message
> to an impressionable young mind.

Yes it sends a message to an impressionable young mind to eat Kix... cause it tastes good. Or to overthrow the King of Spain... I'm not really sure.



> ***Wrong again. Obviously you have not accurately
> comprehended most of what I have written. The lyrics of the
> Beatles were tame by comparison to the garbage that kids are
> listening to.

Tame indeed. But thank you for just dismissing me as wrong for no other reason than you don't agree with me. It is TAME now... but it wasn't then it was serious. Especially the KNIGHTS IN SATAN'S SERVICE. C'mon you gotta come harder than that.


>
> ***Well that is what the perpetrators claim is it not?

Perpetrators? WHAT?


> People are being dumbed down with each succeeding
> generation. Your New Age perspective of the world is hardly
> grounded in reality despite the fact you claim that you are
> an incredibly worldly individual.
>

New Age? Not so much. And people aren't completly being dumbed down... especially with less use of led leads more intelligent people. Oh and my generation isn't the one that had cigarette ads on radio with doctor's describing how the cigarette's sastified his "T" Zone.



>
> ***Exactly. The Herd mentality that now rules our society
> sublimely forces people to conform. Those that don't
> conform don't get the raise at work or the girl for the
> prom. This kind of garbage is all over the media and IT
> DOES affect the minds of a significant percentage of the
> American young adult population and especially children.


Conform to WHAT? If anything I see more kids going out of their way to try NOT to conform... of course they end up conforming with the otehr kids who are trying not to conform... but thats another story. And I don't conform and I got a raise... And had a couple of cute prom dates... sooo I'm kinda lost.

> ***You certainly refuse to acknowledge this fact.

Fact? That is far from a fact that is the pyscho-babble of a man who obviously is a couple sandwiches short of a picnic. The mere IDEA that the entire world is one big episode of big brother is a freightening and more than likely off base assertation. (Yea I know big words too just can't spell most of them, my generation has spell check cause we're dumb.)


> ***Infinitely better than the garbage kids are seeing today.
> Men are all stupid pigs and women are mere whores to be
> used by men. And men are simply a paycheck that women need
> to latch onto for a secure future...
>
> Desperate Housewives? 24? etc. etc. Worse than anything
> that was on TV during ANY preceding generation.

24 is an incredible intelligent piece of television, that is creative and broke the duldrums of crap. The latter statement is something that was dominant in the age of the Waltons etc... woman stayed at home with the man despite how she treated him because it was a secure future. Because what was she supposed to do on her own. If the Honeymooners were on today Alice would have sued for divorce mid way through season 2.


> ***YOU ARE OUT TO LUNCH.

Actually, I just got back.
>
> You really think you have me figured out don't you? You
> certainly are not a psychologist.

No, I made an assumption that you were raised by a good family. I work in radio, hence why I'm on this board.

My family is ANYTHING but
> poor or lower middle class.

No one said they were, but thanks for sharing. I was actually paying you a compliment and your parents that they raised you well.

> Maybe this will help you to put things in perspective. I
> had a friend for more than 20 years (from childhood to
> adulthood) whose father was Corporate Controller at AETNA
> Life and Casualty in Hartford. Do you know what kind of car
> he used to drive into work each day? A Ford Escort.

Excellent, he's a smart man. But if he was to do that today, you'd bet he'd have a mercedes, cause well if he was born a generation later he'd be slightly less intelligent and fall for all of mercedes evil advertsing.



> It has

> ***Good for you. Perhaps you parents are a bit different
> than most these days. I have a friend that went to a well
> known private school in Avon and now he's a VP at one of the
> nation's largest airlines. Whoop tee doo! I'm not
> impressed.

Nor do I expect you to be... I was actually making a point of how I avoided being tapped by Pop Culture to by their car they want me to, in order to keep up with the Jones-es or the Combeses.



> ***I don't even listen to Rush Limpjaw or his Neo
> Conservative tripe.

Rush Limpjaw... k...

>
> ***You are a condescending little punk that has VERY LITTLE
> real world experience. I NEVER VOTED FOR THE GUY THAT
> CURRENTLY RESIDES IN THE OVAL OFFICE! You are the MORON for
> attempting to put words in my mouth and portray me as
> something I am not.

I didn't say you voted for him I said people like you. C'mon now read the whole thing. But thanks for the insults... I like em.


> Just because you worked for a while in a public school in
> Filthydelphia hardly makes you qualified to determine who
> and what I am.

Didn't say it did. Said it added to my real world experience. Nice of you to take a pot shot at the city of brotherly love though. I'll be sure to tell Freeway.


I have a friend that teaches public high
> school in Brooklyn and he met his wife while on a Peace
> Corps mission in South America. She's from Korea and they
> routinely travel the world to do studies and missionary
> work. If they read any of your garbage they'd be laughing
> out loud!

You're more than welcome to forward it to them if you think it would get them a good laugh. I do a stand up bit at the laugh shack tuesdays, 730 show is different from the 10. Try the veal.


> ***You cannot even comprehend what led to the demise of the
> family unit or what brought it about. You think it is that
> simple of a problem?

Actually I can and did. But actually i do believe Crack was introduced to the hold the black man down. Only cause Dave Chappelle told me and I listen to anything I see or hear in the media.


> ***Not a chance. You are a ignorant college boy that still
> has a tremendous amount to learn.

Please I would love to talk to this prof. Why won't you give me an email. Here have mine [email protected], tell him to email me whenever he would like, since I've graduated I've longed for intelligent conversation. Oh and Ignorant college boy, my degree and accolades from a great university in the city you so ignorantly and borderline racistly refered to as FILTH-a-delphia says very different.

> ***I hate to be the bearer of bad news but ALL of the major
> networks are controlled by the government. Who doles out
> broadcast licenses? They may not publicly state they
> control on air content but you can bet that behind the
> scenes it is a different story. If the government does not
> want to see a story on the air it gets yanked after it has
> run even one time. And if they can head it off at the pass
> before it airs then by God they put a stop to it.

Please site one example. If this is true then the Florida debacle would have NEVER gotten out that is most CERTAINLY something the Government wouldn't want out there.

>
> ***The best way to keep crimes of a sexual nature from
> happening is to keep normal men from getting a little too
> aroused. Put less of that on TV and I guarantee you that
> you'll see a drop in crimes of a sexual nature against
> women.

Actually, there are studies that state the opposite that things of a sexual nature such as pornography and sexually explicit programming may help STOP sexual assualt because it sastifies the persons need. Same thing is also said for violent programming. Its a theory that does not get much validity, but it still has some unlike the Magic Bullet Theory in which media penetrates people whether they like it or not. Which has been absolutly and categorically disproven.

> And I also might add that women in the media constantly
> being portrayed as sexual objects (along with men) is hardly
> something our children need to be seeing at such a young
> age.

Hey, I can agree with that. The sexualization of our children is something media and pop culture has greatly contributed to. BUT there is a different between that and accepting nudity as ok and quite possibly as artistic. Go rent Gia, great movie, explicit sex scenes but still an incredible piece of art.


Removed all your blathering. Look I don't care about x-rays going right through my clothes... I care about safety of myself and others at the airport. This brain wave machine is something I would love to see proof of.


The Patriot Act and that stuff are ALL things I am extremly AGAINST... because it gives government too much power over the Freedom Of Speech and other freedoms that were gaurenteed to me when some very smart, very brave men met in downtown FILTHAdelphia... These freedoms are being stripped day by day. AND YOU fight so hard for others but yet are so easy to let the freedom of speech be diminished because people are not smart enough. I allow myself to say what I want because I am allowed to by that wonderful document known as the bill of rights. The day I stop doing that is the day that I urinate on the grave of George Washington. And I won't be doing that ANY time soon. I love the fact at all the name calling you did to me it showed you're debate skills lack something. I took a couple shots questioning your sanity... but the insults shot at me were scathing... What gives you the right to say that stuff my friend, to a man you don't know... NOTHING. But I let you go on it because if you feel that way it is your God given RIGHT to tell me and world that.

Now if someone took that away from you how would you feel?

 

[cabradio]

> Or Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds to Tonya in the Air with
> Rubys. C'mon now.

I understand what you are saying...there are classics with "questionable" content. Heck, I used to add my own to some, kinda made it more fun to sing. But my point is when you look at lyrical content today...much like romance, there is not much left to the imagination. "Cop Killer" vs "Lucy in the Sky", Cop Killer lays it out right in front, With Lucy, you have to understand the context (something I didn't until my late teens). You have to admit, the questionale lyrics of yesterday are far tamer than today.

I've been reading your dialogue with WCWalker (Not be confused with another Walker we know)...What I read, is that the both of you are very close in ideals...you just have a different appraoch to achieve them. You both want less Government, but that can be hard to achieve without allowing for some delinquency (some people have NO common sense).

Anyway, the topic is straying far from radio...Try to bring it back, or let's close the thread.
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[SCRHack]

> > Or Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds to Tonya in the Air with
> > Rubys. C'mon now.
>
> I understand what you are saying...there are classics with
> "questionable" content. Heck, I used to add my own to some,
> kinda made it more fun to sing. But my point is when you
> look at lyrical content today...much like romance, there is
> not much left to the imagination. "Cop Killer" vs "Lucy in
> the Sky", Cop Killer lays it out right in front, With Lucy,
> you have to understand the context (something I didn't until
> my late teens). You have to admit, the questionale lyrics of
> yesterday are far tamer than today.
>

Well, I can admit it. If we put it into perspective... comparing the times, Lucy was seen as just as grevious as Cop Killer of course Cop Killer then was something UNTHINKABLE, (I Shot the Sheriff maybe?).

>
> Anyway, the topic is straying far from radio...Try to bring
> it back, or let's close the thread.


No problem... no point in arguing with a crazy man homie.

 

[WCWalker]

I decided to read your response prior to formulating any reply of my own. I'm glad I did otherwise I would have wasted a tremendous amount of time on you and this subject.

You played the race card and the moment you do that you lose ANY credibility you may have had in this string. You claim you are looking for intelligent discussion but that is not possible with someone that is quite ignorant on a variety of imporant current issues. If and when you become well informed perhaps then we can continue the debate. As a result I wil leave you with the following information to enligthen you and now I bid you a good afternoon.

Filthydelphia is a city of extremely dirty streets and parks and deserves that moniker. It has nothing to do with the residents of the city.

Years ago I took a job as a manager of an establishment that was all white. By the time I left it some 3 years later I had hired enough black, hispanic and female employees so that approximately 32% of the work force was non white. Hardly the actions of a racist wouldn’t you say? Maybe bringing a lawsuit against you for your libelous statements will get you to change your tune.

As for my friiend I am not about to put him in touch with someone with your “ethics and questionable character” that I have not even met. That would be pretty foolish and I am certain he would get rather angry with me for doing so.

As for the brain scanning going on at Logan I can still find a story that mentions what this is about. Initially I read it on Boston.com awhile back and I cannot seem to find the link. CBS broke the story and then it was circulated to other news outlets. Since you have so much time on your hands here is enough info to get you started:

“Millions May Be Prohibited From Flying
A primitive form of Thought Crime scanning is already here. CBS News has reported that Boston's Logan Airport is employing MRI systems to scan travelers' brains, looking for signs of violent thoughts. In a related story, the Transportation Security Agency (TSA) has announced that all U.S. citizens who fly will be assigned a green, yellow or red travel code under a new security system known as CAPPS II - "Computer Assisted Passenger Screening." A green code means you fly normally. A yellow code means you would be subject to searches and interrogation before you would be allowed to fly, what the TSA calls "secondary screening." A red code means you can't fly and may be arrested. The TSA says the "vast majority" of passengers will be green-coded or yellow-coded. Yet, even if just 1% of the U.S. population is red-coded, that still equals some 2.9 million people. CAPPS I, the original plan, may have included creditworthiness and health data as part of the screening process, since the TSA has gone out of it's way to assure the public that such data is not a part of CAPPS II. The exact nature of the screening process remains a secret, however.

An anonymous poster to Rense.com sounded the alarm on CAPPS II, and warned, "The system will eventually be expanded to every form of public transportation, including ships, trains and buses. It will probably also be expanded eventually to issuing driver's licenses and even opening bank accounts." Official information about CAPPS II can be found on the TSA website (tsa.gov).”

A more complete story from the Bawston Glob is at the end of this message.

And while you are at it you might want to enlighten yourself on a few other critical issues and current events to learn how they are going to negatively impact our country and its citizens. I think this will be a far better learning experience for you than exchanging “pleasantries” in a smug, condescending manner on a message board. This is just a tiny sampling of what is REALLY going on. Quite a contrast from your myopic little world.

Research the following:

www.house.gov HR 2745

DARPA

Bilderbergers

RFID Chips

And read these stories that mainstream radio, TV and print won't report:

http://www.wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44779

http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_flights-liberties20050613

http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2005506160311

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44773

http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/19328071?source=Evening Standard&ct=5

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/15/AR2005061502553_pf.html

Defense Department funding brain-machine work

The Boston Globe
August 5, 2003

Even by Washington scandal standards, the "terrorism futures" scandal was strange and dramatic.

It started when two senators discovered an obscure military program designed to gauge the chances of various geopolitical developments, including terrorist attacks, by asking people to bet money on them. Within 48 hours -- or, more precisely, two news cycles -- the program was canceled and the man behind it, John Poindexter of Iran-contra fame, had tendered his resignation.

What most people don't know is that the Department of Defense is already funding a research program with far creepier implications.

The $24 million enterprise called Brain Machine Interfaces is developing technology that promises to directly read thoughts from a living brain -- and even instill thoughts as well.

The research, some of which is being done at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is already surprisingly advanced. Monkeys in a laboratory can control the movement of a robotic arm using only their thoughts. And last year scientists in New York announced they could control the skittering motions of a rat by implanting electrodes in its brain, steering it around the lab floor as if it were a radio-controlled toy car.

It does not take much imagination to see in this the makings of a "Matrix"-like cyberpunk dystopia: chips that impose false memories, machines that scan for wayward thoughts, cognitively augmented government security forces that impose a ruthless order on a recalcitrant population.

It is one thing to propose a tasteless market for gambling on terrorism. It is quite another to set some of the nation's top neuroscientists to work on mind control.

But though they differ in degree, the Brain Machine Interface program and the terrorism futures market share many features. They are shocking. They are bizarre. And they are far more worthy of taxpayer money than at first they seem.

The terrorism futures idea, the subject of near hysterical media coverage, is rooted in well-established economic principles. The Brain Machine Interface program, which may well be next in the spotlight, could offer help to the paralyzed and is no more likely to bring about a virtual police state than technologies that already are available.

With Congress clamoring for much stricter oversight of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which funds both programs, the episode is less a drama of Poindexter and a band of mad bureaucrats than it is a reminder of how important it is for the government to spend some of its resources on the outlandish. Money from DARPA and other small government agencies, such as the Office of Naval Research, has produced profound scientific advances, Nobel Prizes, and technologies -- such as the Internet -- that have changed the world.

"It is important to have horizons longer than three years and the chance to try out bold ideas," said Tomaso Poggio, one of the MIT scientists involved in Brain Machine Interfaces. More traditional funding agencies can be so conservative, Poggio said, that "people sometimes joke that you have to have done the experiment before you can write the proposal."

Like the futures market, the Brain Machine Interface program grew out of DARPA's long involvement in information processing. DARPA is the successor to ARPA, an office that was created in 1958, in the wake of Sputnik, to push forward scientific research with potential military applications. ARPA laid the foundation for what is today the Internet, and also contributed to a wide variety of computer applications currently in use.

DARPA's brain-machine work, which is unclassified and eventually will be published in scientific journals, attracts scientists because it explores some of the central questions in neuroscience, such as the nature of consciousness and memory, and the neural code the brain uses to store and process information.

***Now, as for the rest of your drivel I don’t plan to formulate any kind of response whatsoever. You are a real smart alec and I hope you wise up someday.

 

[SCRHack]

> ***Now, as for the rest of your drivel I don’t plan to
> formulate any kind of response whatsoever. You are a real
> smart alec and I hope you wise up someday.
>
Never will. Anyway Power and Hot are fine as they are no legislation is needed. Happy Cab