HD radio or even radio not a topic at CES this year!

[radiopilot]

Take a look at this site and as you scroll on the left buttons there is no mention of 'radios', HD radio or any other nomenclature to indicate radio is of interest to consumers, but as you can see 'internet, cellphones, mp3 players, even the iPhone has it's own button!

http://tech.yahoo.com/ci/tech_ces_tvsandaudio;_ylt=Aucea8fF60_vSRDiWH6jReKuL5A5

If HD radio was of any vague interest to consumers I'm sure it would have seen some presence somewhere, infact after browsing for an hour, it's clear Blueray or HD DVD is of more interest than HD radio!

Ha.... yeah Iboc is going somewhere fast... the way of FM Quad radio, too bad AM stereo has to be included along... you remember that right?

Radiopilot

 

[JJS]

Orbitcast, satellite radio's foremost news blog, has respectful if not reverent coverage of "over 50 [HD Radio] products being displayed at more than 25 booths across the show."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd-radio-increases-presence-at-ces.html

 

[vsa]

Take a look at this site and as you scroll on the left buttons there is no mention of 'radios', HD radio or any other nomenclature to indicate radio is of interest to consumers, but as you can see 'internet, cellphones, mp3 players, even the iPhone has it's own button!

http://tech.yahoo.com/ci/tech_ces_tvsandaudio;_ylt=Aucea8fF60_vSRDiWH6jReKuL5A5

If HD radio was of any vague interest to consumers I'm sure it would have seen some presence somewhere, infact after browsing for an hour, it's clear Blueray or HD DVD is of more interest than HD radio!

Ha.... yeah Iboc is going somewhere fast... the way of FM Quad radio, too bad AM stereo has to be included along... you remember that right?

Radiopilot

Engadget is doing a bang-up job of covering CES, interesting item by item.

http://www.engadget.com

 

[radiopilot]

Orbitcast, satellite radio's foremost news blog, has respectful if not reverent coverage of "over 50 [HD Radio] products being displayed at more than 25 booths across the show."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd-radio-increases-presence-at-ces.html

Wasn't aware Orbitcast was part of any Consumer Electronics Show at any venue, but if you believe the general public is out reading Orbitcast prior to any purchases, then maybe HD radio stands a chance but I doubt it.

Try one of these internet radios before believing HD radio is the better choice.

http://www.wifi-radio.biz/

Radiopilot

 

[radiopilot]

Take a look at this site and as you scroll on the left buttons there is no mention of 'radios', HD radio or any other nomenclature to indicate radio is of interest to consumers, but as you can see 'internet, cellphones, mp3 players, even the iPhone has it's own button!

http://tech.yahoo.com/ci/tech_ces_tvsandaudio;_ylt=Aucea8fF60_vSRDiWH6jReKuL5A5

If HD radio was of any vague interest to consumers I'm sure it would have seen some presence somewhere, infact after browsing for an hour, it's clear Blueray or HD DVD is of more interest than HD radio!

Ha.... yeah Iboc is going somewhere fast... the way of FM Quad radio, too bad AM stereo has to be included along... you remember that right?

Radiopilot

Engadget is doing a bang-up job of covering CES, interesting item by item.

http://www.engadget.com

Nice products for personal mp3 players and WIFI radios, but where is the future of HD radio?

Radiopilot

 

[vsa]

Orbitcast, satellite radio's foremost news blog, has respectful if not reverent coverage of "over 50 [HD Radio] products being displayed at more than 25 booths across the show."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd-radio-increases-presence-at-ces.html

"...Samsung, iBiquity and others will announce at CES...that MP3 players, cell phones and personal navigation devices will integrate HD Radio reception into their mobile devices. So that means that you'll be able to listen to HD Radio on your cell phone - and it sounds like Samsung is right on board..."

But pro-HD radio spin-doctors here have insisted that nobody is interested in listening to "radio" on their cell phone.

 

[radiopilot]

Orbitcast, satellite radio's foremost news blog, has respectful if not reverent coverage of "over 50 [HD Radio] products being displayed at more than 25 booths across the show."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd-radio-increases-presence-at-ces.html

"...Samsung, iBiquity and others will announce at CES...that MP3 players, cell phones and personal navigation devices will integrate HD Radio reception into their mobile devices. So that means that you'll be able to listen to HD Radio on your cell phone - and it sounds like Samsung is right on board..."

But pro-HD radio spin-doctors here have insisted that nobody is interested in listening to "radio" on their cell phone.

We've all heard how HD will make inroads into everything including my bagel toaster, and I don't doubt the money is being greased into these manufacturers by Ibiquity and the NAB, but as far as consumers are concerned do you really think having HD radio into these mp3/satelite players going to make them listen to radio instead of the stored music?

I mean my mp3 player right now has an FM tuner BUT I never turn it on to listen to, and I bet most people don't turn on the FM tuner on it either... Heck if Ibiquity was so bold why not try to get laptop makers to install the HD radio chipset into them but do you think the user would listen to terrestrial radio on his laptop or the myriad of thousands of internet radio stations at his/her fingertips?

Why have soybean flank steak instead of the real filet mignon?

Radiopilot

 

[vsa]

Orbitcast, satellite radio's foremost news blog, has respectful if not reverent coverage of "over 50 [HD Radio] products being displayed at more than 25 booths across the show."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd-radio-increases-presence-at-ces.html

"...Samsung, iBiquity and others will announce at CES...that MP3 players, cell phones and personal navigation devices will integrate HD Radio reception into their mobile devices. So that means that you'll be able to listen to HD Radio on your cell phone - and it sounds like Samsung is right on board..."

But pro-HD radio spin-doctors here have insisted that nobody is interested in listening to "radio" on their cell phone.

We've all heard how HD will make inroads into everything including my bagel toaster, and I don't doubt the money is being greased into these manufacturers by Ibiquity and the NAB, but as far as consumers are concerned do you really think having HD radio into these mp3/satelite players going to make them listen to radio instead of the stored music?

I mean my mp3 player right now has an FM tuner BUT I never turn it on to listen to, and I bet most people don't turn on the FM tuner on it either... Heck if Ibiquity was so bold why not try to get laptop makers to install the HD radio chipset into them but do you think the user would listen to terrestrial radio on his laptop or the myriad of thousands of internet radio stations at his/her fingertips?

Why have soybean flank steak instead of the real filet mignon?

Radiopilot

Do you really think most radio people who turn the volume up as a song ends - then turn the volume down after a new song begins, are in touch with what an average listener actually wants?

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Take a look at this site and as you scroll on the left buttons there is no mention of 'radios', HD radio or any other nomenclature to indicate radio is of interest to consumers, but as you can see 'internet,

For many years now, on our family vacations, DVD's have replaced the radio. We use the FM radio as a way to import the DVD sound - using one of those FM modulators. Given that the road from where we live to where my daughter films her shows has precious little in the way of radio except going through cities - we have satellite radio as well. But don't get much good out of it because movies really pass the time better.

Here is our HD radio scenario: about 45 minutes at the beginning of the trip. One HD FM station in Lubbock / unknown in Amarillo. About an hour of HD. Albuquerque has HD stations. About an hour of HD. Flagstaff probably has some HD stations. Another hour of HD. Given that my daughter's last filming location was Santa Clarita - NO HD stations make it over two mountain ranges from LA. So 3 hours and 45 minutes of a 22 hour drive is covered by HD radio. 22 hours of a 22 hour drive is covered by satellite and an FM modulator playing DVD movie sound. Do that math - what goes in MY dash???!!!!

 

[clouseau]

Orbitcast, satellite radio's foremost news blog, has respectful if not reverent coverage of "over 50 [HD Radio] products being displayed at more than 25 booths across the show."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd-radio-increases-presence-at-ces.html

"...Samsung, iBiquity and others will announce at CES...that MP3 players, cell phones and personal navigation devices will integrate HD Radio reception into their mobile devices. So that means that you'll be able to listen to HD Radio on your cell phone - and it sounds like Samsung is right on board..."

But pro-HD radio spin-doctors here have insisted that nobody is interested in listening to "radio" on their cell phone.

We've all heard how HD will make inroads into everything including my bagel toaster, and I don't doubt the money is being greased into these manufacturers by Ibiquity and the NAB, but as far as consumers are concerned do you really think having HD radio into these mp3/satelite players going to make them listen to radio instead of the stored music?

I mean my mp3 player right now has an FM tuner BUT I never turn it on to listen to, and I bet most people don't turn on the FM tuner on it either... Heck if Ibiquity was so bold why not try to get laptop makers to install the HD radio chipset into them but do you think the user would listen to terrestrial radio on his laptop or the myriad of thousands of internet radio stations at his/her fingertips?

Why have soybean flank steak instead of the real filet mignon?

Radiopilot

I love this thread. It's a perfect example of the anti mob's mode of operation.

Here's how the threads go..

1) Some webcasting or DXing advocate posts "HD radio "is Doomed" / "Has Already Died" / "Sucks". Here's proof."...

2) Poster then displays a link with "limited"/"a little"/"No" relavance to the point they claim.

3) Someone ELSE points out, in usually no more than a single sentence, that the original poster's point is almost totally without merit based on "physical evidence"/ "database links" / "common cense".

4) OP diverts attention away from their ORIGINAL bogus claim and asserts that "radio is dead anyway" / "Internet radio rules" / "The iPod has killed radio" .

5) OP then claims anyone not agreeing with their bogus claim is "in the business" / "on the payroll" / "out of touch" because they know from personal experience as a "medical sales rep" / "military contractor" / "'between gigs' swing DJ"/ "out of radio college instructor" / "Pizza Delivery Guy" that the radio business has no clue....

Sound familiar?

It should. It's played out in MANY threads on this board every month.

Clouseau

 

[vsa]

I love this thread.  It's a perfect example of the anti mob's mode of operation.

Here's how the threads go..

1) Some webcasting or DXing advocate posts "HD radio  "is Doomed" / "Has Already Died" / "Sucks".  Here's proof."...

2) Poster then displays a link with "limited"/"a little"/"No" relavance to the point they claim.

3) Someone ELSE points out, in usually no more than a single sentence, that the original poster's point is almost totally without merit based on "physical evidence"/ "database links" / "common cense".

4) OP diverts attention away from their ORIGINAL bogus claim and asserts that "radio is dead anyway" / "Internet radio rules" / "The iPod has killed radio" .

5) OP then claims anyone not agreeing with their bogus claim is "in the business" / "on the payroll" / "out of touch"  because they know from personal experience as a "medical sales rep" / "military contractor" / "'between gigs' swing DJ"/ "out of radio college instructor" / "Pizza Delivery Guy" that the radio business has no clue....

Sound familiar?

It should.  It's played out in MANY threads on this board every month. 

Clouseau

You're right Inspector. All's right with traditional radio, of which HD is a part. Oh oh! What's this? There's a pesky Associated Press news story about something to do with traditional radio having some problems. It can't be Inspector! Say it isn't so! 

"...The economic weakness is only accelerating what has been an ongoing slowdown in local radio advertising as advertisers shift to other forms of media - particularly the Internet - and to national campaigns. At the same time, radio audiences have been eroding as Internet radio becomes more popular, satellite radio expands and listeners increasingly use digital music players like iPods in their cars..."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/5437086.html

It appears the "anti-mob" has seized control of the Houston Chronicle and the AP.

 

[radiopilot]

Orbitcast, satellite radio's foremost news blog, has respectful if not reverent coverage of "over 50 [HD Radio] products being displayed at more than 25 booths across the show."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/hd-radio-increases-presence-at-ces.html

"...Samsung, iBiquity and others will announce at CES...that MP3 players, cell phones and personal navigation devices will integrate HD Radio reception into their mobile devices. So that means that you'll be able to listen to HD Radio on your cell phone - and it sounds like Samsung is right on board..."

But pro-HD radio spin-doctors here have insisted that nobody is interested in listening to "radio" on their cell phone.

We've all heard how HD will make inroads into everything including my bagel toaster, and I don't doubt the money is being greased into these manufacturers by Ibiquity and the NAB, but as far as consumers are concerned do you really think having HD radio into these mp3/satelite players going to make them listen to radio instead of the stored music?

I mean my mp3 player right now has an FM tuner BUT I never turn it on to listen to, and I bet most people don't turn on the FM tuner on it either... Heck if Ibiquity was so bold why not try to get laptop makers to install the HD radio chipset into them but do you think the user would listen to terrestrial radio on his laptop or the myriad of thousands of internet radio stations at his/her fingertips?

Why have soybean flank steak instead of the real filet mignon?

Radiopilot

I love this thread. It's a perfect example of the anti mob's mode of operation.

Here's how the threads go..

1) Some webcasting or DXing advocate posts "HD radio "is Doomed" / "Has Already Died" / "Sucks". Here's proof."...

2) Poster then displays a link with "limited"/"a little"/"No" relavance to the point they claim.

3) Someone ELSE points out, in usually no more than a single sentence, that the original poster's point is almost totally without merit based on "physical evidence"/ "database links" / "common cense".

4) OP diverts attention away from their ORIGINAL bogus claim and asserts that "radio is dead anyway" / "Internet radio rules" / "The iPod has killed radio" .

5) OP then claims anyone not agreeing with their bogus claim is "in the business" / "on the payroll" / "out of touch" because they know from personal experience as a "medical sales rep" / "military contractor" / "'between gigs' swing DJ"/ "out of radio college instructor" / "Pizza Delivery Guy" that the radio business has no clue....

Sound familiar?

It should. It's played out in MANY threads on this board every month.

Clouseau

Well Mr. FCC license holder, it seems that you envy all those above positions you mention... why they pay better?

Out of touch? Dude, I've on these boards for years indicating what a farce HD radio is....

I don't have to be 'in radio' to know it's going nowhere, indicators are there whether you choose to believe it or not, but my salary is not tied to whether radio, HD radio, satelite radio, etc. makes it or not... capish?

So I'm just a savvy knowledgeable consumer who just knows a little better! That I've heard is a dangerous mix in some circles.

Everyone here already knows the Ibiquity/HD Radio Alliance/NAB farce and I'm the last person here supposedly to lecture you on it.

Radiopilot

 

[KB1OKL]

Heck if Ibiquity was so bold why not try to get laptop makers to install the HD radio chipset into them

Radiopilot

Ever try lugging a Yagi along with a laptop? ;D

 

[radiopilot]

Heck if Ibiquity was so bold why not try to get laptop makers to install the HD radio chipset into them

Radiopilot

Ever try lugging a Yagi along with a laptop? ;D

Soon... small portable WIFI recievers will soon flood the market as mp3 players are doing now, then terrestrial radio will have a run for the money or are they going to bitch to have HD radio included in them too?

Radiopilot

 

[Radioman100]

"...Samsung, iBiquity and others will announce at CES...that MP3 players, cell phones and personal navigation devices will integrate HD Radio reception into their mobile devices. So that means that you'll be able to listen to HD Radio on your cell phone - and it sounds like Samsung is right on board..."

But pro-HD radio spin-doctors here have insisted that nobody is interested in listening to "radio" on their cell phone.

Well, traditionally anyway they haven't. Sirius has been available on Sprint phones for years. Ever meet anyone that had that service? Didn't think so.

 

[Radioman100]

Soon... small portable WIFI recievers will soon flood the market as mp3 players are doing now, then terrestrial radio will have a run for the money or are they going to bitch to have HD radio included in them too?

Radiopilot

The wi-fi receivers will be of little consequence. All the big players in internet radio say the latest CRB royalties will be the death of web radio.

 

[FrankB-town]

and they're trying to raise rates on OTA stations, too. Maybe they won't have enough money to install IBOC on their transmitters.

 

[Radioman100]

and they're trying to raise rates on OTA stations, too. Maybe they won't have enough money to install IBOC on their transmitters.

They can try. Unlike the webcasters though, if they do actually manage to get a performance royalty from radio, radio has the muscle to bankrupt them.

 

[Kelly]

Well while you folks are continuing the rounds of textual sniping and taking shots at each other, I am reporting live from the CES again this year.

Whereas yesterday was my first day here in cloudy Las Vegas, I indeed have seen no signs of HD radio at CES, even in the same places where it existed last year, mainly the North exhibit hall where the auto entertainment gear lives. Last year there was a rather large booth featuring a BMW 7 series and several people showing in car aftermarket systems that included HD radio. Frankly I was surprised that they went from a fairly large presence last year to what appears to be nothing this year.

Microsoft is very active with Ford and Fiat promoting their voice control systems and interface to other devices like IPod and Zune. ( I love the new Alfa Romeo convertible by the way...)

A very striking commentary was that a great deal of the new automotive systems do not have AM receivers in them! Yes folks, this trend only confirms my, and others fears about the demise of AM radio. Medium Wave is rapidly going the way of the carbon microphone.

One has to wonder if people were willing to look past their love of analog Amplititude Modulation, and work toward a digital modulation standard on the AM band and support it, rather than holding out hope that todays youth will somehow discover the wonders of a poor, by comparison sounding media. In a way, if AM radio dies completely in the next 10 years, we have only ourselves to blame.

 

[JJS]

I indeed have seen no signs of HD radio at CES, even in the same places where it existed last year, mainly the North exhibit hall where the auto entertainment gear lives.

Our friends at Orbitcast are at the same CES you are, and filed these two reports today. First sentence: "HD Radio has a pretty significant presence here at CES 2008."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/ces-hd-radios-new-portables-part-1.html

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/ces-hd-radios-new-portables-part-2.html

Reduced chipset HDRs, built into other devices: the key to sector growth. Check 'em out...and perhaps consider looking over some of the GPS's as well...or at least a floor map.