HD Radio - Touchy subject for supporters. You guys are famous !!! :D :D :D

[SayNoToIBOC]

See, you guys are so sensitive !!!

"HD Radio-Touchy subject for supporters"

http://worldsupercaster.blogspot.com/

Oh, and don't forget to read the rest of the blogs ! And, here is another link, for your reading enjoyment !

http://commonsensesolutions.blogspot.com

 

[IBOCRocks]

See, you guys are so sensitive !!!

"HD Radio-Touchy subject for supporters"

http://worldsupercaster.blogspot.com/

Oh, and don't forget to read the rest of the blogs ! And, here is another link, for your reading enjoyment !

http://commonsensesolutions.blogspot.com

Wow...some of the lowest read blogs on the 'net. I'm flattered.

The worldsupercaster blog is the one that told the whopper of the lie that this board was attacked by a pro-iboc faction who had to be removed by court order. After I challenged him to prove it, the post was removed. Nice thing about a personal blog...you can lie all you want, and no-one will stop you!

I'd certainly believe ANYTHING I read there...

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[SayNoToIBOC]

From worldsupercaster, HD Radio-More comments:

"I can tell you right now that the digital signal doesn't travel anywhere near as far as the analogue. Detroit stations right now are having a terrible time trying to push their digital sub-channels because even the inner suburbs are having problems receiving them."

This can be verified on radio-info:

Info BOARDS>SPECIALTY>Coast to Coast>I Finally Got to Hear HD Radio

From Josh C:

"can tell you right now that the digital signal doesn't travel anywhere near as far as the analogue. Detroit stations right now are having a terrible time trying to push their digital sub-channels because even the inner suburbs are having problems receiving them."

This blog seems to be pretty much a composite summary of problems with IBOC and can be verified with articles on RWOnline.com, radio-info.com, hear2.0.com, etc. (they back their blogs up with links to facts).

 

[davideduardo]

Re: Faking it again

From worldsupercaster, HD Radio-More comments:

"I can tell you right now that the digital signal doesn't travel anywhere near as far as the analogue. Detroit stations right now are having a terrible time trying to push their digital sub-channels because even the inner suburbs are having problems receiving them."

This can be verified on radio-info:

Info BOARDS>SPECIALTY>Coast to Coast>I Finally Got to Hear HD Radio

From Josh C:

"can tell you right now that the digital signal doesn't travel anywhere near as far as the analogue. Detroit stations right now are having a terrible time trying to push their digital sub-channels because even the inner suburbs are having problems receiving them."

This blog seems to be pretty much a composite summary of problems with IBOC and can be verified with articles on RWOnline.com, radio-info.com, hear2.0.com, etc. (they back their blogs up with links to facts).

The HUGE ERROR in all this is that HD does cover about the same area as usable, listenable AM and FM signals do. Verified by Arbitron, there is pretty much no listening to signals outside the 64 dbu contour on FM. In the 64, the digital signal is usable, too. Same comparison with HD signal vs. the contour (which variess by market noise level) that is usable on analog AM.

It does not matter if HD is not usable to the very extreme of a station's protected contour... listeners only use a station if it has very strong signals.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

What a load, as usual !

"HD-2 signals have an average 20-mile radius from a station's transmitter. Even when you're locked onto a full-strength HD-2 signal, it may fade out. An external FM antenna and a coaxial converter to the HD radio may help."

This subject has been debated to death, and it is well-know that IOBC does not have the coverage of analog:

"MYTH: “IBOC will increase a station’s signal coverage area”

FACT: IBOC will SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE a station’s signal coverage area. Take a look at the FM dial in the St. Louis market. Three stations with decent coverage into the St. Louis area, WIBI (91.1 FM) Carlinville, IL, KTJJ (98.5 FM) Farmington, MO and WSMI-FM (106.1) Litchfield, IL, would suffer severely reduced coverage; in other words, these stations would have their coverage areas reduced by as much as 95%. KTJJ, with 100 kW of power, currently covers a 90-mile radius around the transmitter site near Doe Run, MO. With IBOC, the signal won’t be able to reach Park Hills. WIBI and WSMI-FM, with 50 kW of power, covers a 72-mile radius around their transmitter sites. With IBOC, their signals won’t reach nearby towns. Even the 50 kW AM stations will lose most of their coverage; from 750 miles at night to a round-the-clock radius of only 25 miles. In other words, KMOX wouldn’t be able to reach the western suburbs if they converted to IBOC; something they can do easily now in analog mode. A 1 kW Class D local channel station, such as WESL in East St. Louis, IL, which currently covers a 15-mile radius in analog mode, will cover less than a mile in IBOC mode."

 

[IBOCRocks]

What a load, as usual !

"HD-2 signals have an average 20-mile radius from a station's transmitter. Even when you're locked onto a full-strength HD-2 signal, it may fade out. An external FM antenna and a coaxial converter to the HD radio may help."

So an "average", and a couple of "may"'s. Doesn't sound like much concrete fact there!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Boy, you are getting really old - but, you guys are at least famous ! Where did you hide your 7-foot dipole antenna - in the attic ?

 

[IBOCRocks]

Boy, you are getting really old - but, you guys are at least famous ! Where did you hide your 7-foot dipole antenna - in the attic ?

Famous? Not on those blogs...I need to be seen on a blog that's viewed by more than five people, which rules out any of the ones you mentioned. By the way - You still haven't been able to back up that whopper of a lie. I don't have any dipoles. I use the short wire antenna.

Of course, you haven't told the truth in some time - so why start now!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

BTW, my score on Amazon is now 11 of 16 - I am in double-digits, now ! Hit'em hard, where it counts !

 

[IBOCRocks]

What a load, as usual !

"HD-2 signals have an average 20-mile radius from a station's transmitter. Even when you're locked onto a full-strength HD-2 signal, it may fade out. An external FM antenna and a coaxial converter to the HD radio may help."

This subject has been debated to death, and it is well-know that IOBC does not have the coverage of analog:

"MYTH: “IBOC will increase a station’s signal coverage area”

FACT: IBOC will SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE a station’s signal coverage area. Take a look at the FM dial in the St. Louis market. Three stations with decent coverage into the St. Louis area, WIBI (91.1 FM) Carlinville, IL, KTJJ (98.5 FM) Farmington, MO and WSMI-FM (106.1) Litchfield, IL, would suffer severely reduced coverage; in other words, these stations would have their coverage areas reduced by as much as 95%. KTJJ, with 100 kW of power, currently covers a 90-mile radius around the transmitter site near Doe Run, MO. With IBOC, the signal won’t be able to reach Park Hills. WIBI and WSMI-FM, with 50 kW of power, covers a 72-mile radius around their transmitter sites. With IBOC, their signals won’t reach nearby towns. Even the 50 kW AM stations will lose most of their coverage; from 750 miles at night to a round-the-clock radius of only 25 miles. In other words, KMOX wouldn’t be able to reach the western suburbs if they converted to IBOC; something they can do easily now in analog mode. A 1 kW Class D local channel station, such as WESL in East St. Louis, IL, which currently covers a 15-mile radius in analog mode, will cover less than a mile in IBOC mode."

MYTH: You must be able to pick up an HD signal.

FACT: Analog is, and always will be, available. If you can pick up an analog signal from 72 miles away (which, by the way, is WELL outside any protected contour, you will still be able to do so in analog. If you are in the primary listening countour, you can hear HD or analog.

ANOTHER FACT: This is a common "straw-man" argument created by the anti-IBOC cult. I still can't find any statments from the IBOC folks saying that an HD signal would travel beyond the city-grade countour of a station. So, they're bringing up a point that's already been admitted as fact. And, as you can see, doesn't really make a difference, with the analog contour remaining unchanged.

 

[IBOCRocks]

BTW, my score on Amazon is now 11 of 16 - I am in double-digits, now ! Hit'em hard, where it counts !

Glad you were able to get your cult members to vote! I hope they actually tried the radio!

(Didn't you accuse me of posting all the negative votes on your review? Maybe I did all the positive ones, too! Wouldn't THAT be a kicker!)

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

That's funny, Amazon doesn't let anyone vote more than once, per review !

Gotcha !

 

[Kent]

"MYTH: “IBOC will increase a station’s signal coverage area”

FACT: IBOC will SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE a station’s signal coverage area. Take a look at the FM dial in the St. Louis market. Three stations with decent coverage into the St. Louis area, WIBI (91.1 FM) Carlinville, IL, KTJJ (98.5 FM) Farmington, MO and WSMI-FM (106.1) Litchfield, IL, would suffer severely reduced coverage; in other words, these stations would have their coverage areas reduced by as much as 95%. KTJJ, with 100 kW of power, currently covers a 90-mile radius around the transmitter site near Doe Run, MO. With IBOC, the signal won’t be able to reach Park Hills. WIBI and WSMI-FM, with 50 kW of power, covers a 72-mile radius around their transmitter sites. With IBOC, their signals won’t reach nearby towns. Even the 50 kW AM stations will lose most of their coverage; from 750 miles at night to a round-the-clock radius of only 25 miles. In other words, KMOX wouldn’t be able to reach the western suburbs if they converted to IBOC; something they can do easily now in analog mode. A 1 kW Class D local channel station, such as WESL in East St. Louis, IL, which currently covers a 15-mile radius in analog mode, will cover less than a mile in IBOC mode."

As someone who lives just over an hour from St. Louis, let me clear some of these up.

FACT: Neither KTJJ 98.5 nor WSMI-FM 106.1 have significant audience in the St. Louis market. In the latest Arbitron ratings, neither even met the minimum reporting requirement for a mention.

FACT: Of the FM stations mentioned, only WIBI has any ratings in the St. Louis market according to the Radio Research Consortium, and it was barely a blip. That audience is virtually entirely in Madison County, IL.

FACT: None of the FM stations mentioned are broadcasting in HD.

FACT: The KMOX signal is sub-par at night in West County and St. Charles County. It gets interference from its own skywave after dark. Before losing a tower or two in a storm last month, KTRS was the best around-the-clock AM signal in the well-to-do areas of West County and St. Charles County.

Let's speak realistically. I'm not entirely convinced IBOC is the best thing since sliced bread either. While the technology has come a long way, it looks to me like it still has a way to go. Problems with IBOC AM are well documented, and, as someone who has seen some of my favorite stations get shoved off to HD-2 channels, the notion of "analog will always be around" seems shortsighted and somewhat foolish as the HD-2 channels, last I heard, weren't on analog. It really seems like both sides have their heads buried in the sand. The IBOC opponents use unproven theoretical models to justify their views while the proponents talk up the high quality of HD radio while reassuring everyone that the poorer quality analog signals will remain to compensate for any weakness in HD. Talking up a higher quality of radio while reassuring everyone that the poorer quality will not go away looks like doublespeak to me.

 

[davideduardo]

What a load, as usual !

"HD-2 signals have an average 20-mile radius from a station's transmitter. Even when you're locked onto a full-strength HD-2 signal, it may fade out. An external FM antenna and a coaxial converter to the HD radio may help."

This subject has been debated to death, and it is well-know that IOBC does not have the coverage of analog:

"MYTH: “IBOC will increase a station’s signal coverage area”

FACT: IBOC will SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASE a station’s signal coverage area. Take a look at the FM dial in the St. Louis market. Three stations with decent coverage into the St. Louis area, WIBI (91.1 FM) Carlinville, IL, KTJJ (98.5 FM) Farmington, MO and WSMI-FM (106.1) Litchfield, IL, would suffer severely reduced coverage; in other words, these stations would have their coverage areas reduced by as much as 95%. KTJJ, with 100 kW of power, currently covers a 90-mile radius around the transmitter site near Doe Run, MO. With IBOC, the signal won’t be able to reach Park Hills. WIBI and WSMI-FM, with 50 kW of power, covers a 72-mile radius around their transmitter sites. With IBOC, their signals won’t reach nearby towns. Even the 50 kW AM stations will lose most of their coverage; from 750 miles at night to a round-the-clock radius of only 25 miles. In other words, KMOX wouldn’t be able to reach the western suburbs if they converted to IBOC; something they can do easily now in analog mode. A 1 kW Class D local channel station, such as WESL in East St. Louis, IL, which currently covers a 15-mile radius in analog mode, will cover less than a mile in IBOC mode."

FACT... theHD signal is usabel everywhere the analog signal is USED today. Listeners do not use weak signals, and it has been shown that none of the FMs your mentiion even meet MRS in the St Louis book.

In any case, HD and analog will coexist for a long time before any thought of going all digital is made.

 

[IBOCRocks]

That's funny, Amazon doesn't let anyone vote more than once, per review !

Gotcha !

Actually, got you! You were the one who insisted that I gave you several negative reviews.

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IBOCRocks,

I just saw that you voted against my review again - I told you, it is bothering you

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Caught you lying again!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Actually, I was hoping that you did, because if you vote more than once negatively, it bumps the postive counter up - you didn't "get me" - I caught YOU in a lie !

Gotcha !

David wrote: "FACT... theHD signal is usabel everywhere the analog signal is USED today. Listeners do not use weak signals, and it has been shown that none of the FMs your mentiion even meet MRS in the St Louis book. In any case, HD and analog will coexist for a long time before any thought of going all digital is made."

Wrong - less coverage is a well-known, non-debatable fact - this issue is old-hat:

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&ArticleID=12194
http://www.audiographics.com/agd/061206-1.htm

 

[IBOCRocks]

Actually, I was hoping that you did, because if you vote more than once negatively, it bumps the postive counter up - you didn't "get me" - I caught YOU in a lie !

Gotcha !

What? The whole point is that I didn't give you more than one negative vote. You said that I did. Then you said it was impossible.

So what is it? Did you "convert" all those people with the review (which you've been taking an unusually disturbing amount of pleasure from), or is it artificially high because someone voted more that once?

Are you lying, or just a little slow? You're acting like a three-year-old... "Gotcha!"

Seems like everytime you're caught in a lie, you try to turn it around as if you're tricking someone. Just to make it clear:

*You admittedly posted a fraudulent review on Amazon
*I told you that I voted once against it, and that otherwise, I didn't care
*Others voted negatively. You insist, without any proof, that it was me who did it.
*I once again state that I didn't do it. You accuse me again, without proof (because the negative reviews go up)
*You say that your word is getting out, because the positive votes are going up.
*You then say "gotcha!" because that you think that by me posting negative reviews, I've increased the positive post count.

So let's look at this:

I only voted once. Period. And if I did vote more that once, then you don't have nearly the number of positive reviews that you think, because then all the negative and positive reviews would be mine. That makes no sense.

Finally, do you think I have nothing better to do with my time than vote on a misleading Amazon review? I could care less about the reviews of one HD Radio. There are plenty of them out there, and one bad review makes no difference.

So which is it? Did you reach people with your review, and they gave you a thumbs up, or did I vote 20 times and you technically got no good feedback.

Are you challenged in some way. None of this makes any sense. You need to go back to your "interrogation books" because whatever you're trying to do isn't working!

SayLiesAboutIBOC strikes again!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

He's blazing now - look at him go !!! Again, my review of the piece of garbage Receptor HD on Amazon is from personal experience and knowledge of HD Radio - where did you get this idea that I admitted that my review was fraudulent ? You are grasping at straws, because you cannot counter the anti-IOBC facts ! Your review on Amazon was pretty lame - I expected more out of you ! So, keep those negative votes coming ! Look at him rant on - this is REALLY amusing !!! Look at him go !!!

 

[IBOCRocks]

He's blazing now - look at him go !!! Again, my review of the piece of garbage Receptor HD on Amazon is fraom personal experience and knowledge of HD Radio - wher did you get this idea that I admitted that my review was fraudulent ? You are grasping at straws, because you cannot counter the anti-IOBC facts ! Your review on Amazon was prettyt lame - I expected more out of you ! So, keep those negative votes coming ! Lokk at him rant on - this is REALLY amusing !!!

Me rant? Nice try. You're the one calling people names and acting like a child. I'm simply catching you in lies. You say I posted a review? Prove it. As for grasping at straws, who was the one who created a post about the financial woes of RadioShack and tried to tie it to HD Radio. THAT was desparate!

As for amusing...laugh away! I would expect that from someone who has some pretty obvious anger issues.

Keep 'em coming. The anti-IBOC crowd is now disowning you. How pathetic!

BTW...nice attempt at trying to get my riled up with the "flaming and rants". Unfortunately, I'm not falling for it. You've been proven to go over the edge. I've never done it. So keep at it!

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

I am laughing because IBOC is failing, and you are stuck with two $300 HD radios ! Rant on ! And, I don't care about this board, every one knows the truth about this fraudulent "technology" - I don't have to tell them that ! Only thing that matters, are my reviews on Amazon, Radio Shack (although, RS may not be around much longer), BA, all all those wonderful mirrored Amazon sites ! 11 down and counting !