HD Radio will not boost revenues says J. P. Morgan !

[zumahans]

---->I just think you are jealous because you have no way of supporting your argument, while I do.


And we have no way of knowing whether you quote your statistics accurately, or whether they are correct in the first place.

Therefore, your statistics are unsupported heresay, and not worth the electrons you waste making them up.

For all we know, you pull them out of your arsche. And given the way you handle other facts, we have every reason and prudent justification to CONSIDER THE SOURCE to be impeached, worthless, abnd unreliable, and discard your phony stats as the junk that they no doubt are.

Sorry, Deluded Edward O.

You can't prove what you're saying, and you are a fraud.

Sincerely, your friend,
Zuma Hans

 

[Chuck]

["Has the iPod peaked?
Apple CEO Steve Jobs is widely expected to launch a new generation of iPods today - most likely including more video capabilities or even an iPod phone. But analysts now warn that the iPod may go the way of the Sony Walkman - after 60 million units sold, it's no longer cool with kids"

That could be. I wonder if the problem is with Apple or with the whole portable MP3 segment? The iPod is expensive compared to the hundreds of other mp3 devices out there. Just visit a Wal-Mart and you will see a whole section devoted to portable digital audio players of all sorts, including iPods. All the competitors are priced WAY under Apple's prices. It could be that the market is voting with their pocket books.


I have to admit that I purchased an iPod a couple of years ago. It is still in my briefcase, but I rarely use it. I figured it was just me. I'm not from the age group it is aimed at. Now that I think of it, the same thing happened with my Sony Walk Man. It must be sitting in a drawer somewhere with a bunch of corroded batteries in it. I haven't used it in years. The one portable audio device I still use after 15 years or so is my matchbook size Toshiba AM-FM analog radio. Imagine that....

 

[I.B. Iquity]

Speaking of I-Pods they are expensive BUT Apples support is spectacular and you pay for that. I've had mine for nearly 2 years now and use it every day. I bought one for each of my daughters and one for my wife as well. My wife who has a long commute every day uses it on the bus to listen to music and podcasts. My only complaint about the I-Pod is the use of a non user replace-able battery and the short life of the I-Pod battery. By the way I am 50 years old. I have walkmen, a discman, 2 meter/440 handhelds and I use the I-Pod more than any other portable device. Combined with the Monster cable FM modulator, it makes a trip a pleasure. I can carry all my favorite songs in a small package. By the way I don't use the ear buds. They're still in the original package. I use Koss Porta Pro headphones. Together with the I-Pod, the sound is very good for a portable device.

 

[zumahans]

And have these devices affected total time spent listening to radio in your family?

 

[I.B. Iquity]

Yes and no. I still listen to the radio in the morning when I wake up and I listen to radio at night when I go to bed. Since the advent of the HD 2 & 3 streams I find myself listening to the radio for longer periods of time. I do not usually listen to the radio on the walk from my car to my job and I do listen to the radio in the car at least for a part of my commute in each direction. The I-Pod is a nice addition. It's great for plane trips and when I feel like listening to music or something like the Keener podcast. It just gives me a little more flexability. Hope this answers your question.

 

[zumahans]

What about the others in your family? Can you honestly say their TSL hasn't gone down?

And, wouldn't we expect someone who chooses the handle "I.B. Iquity" be a liiiittttlle teensy bit sympathetic to the HD2 cause?

I would posit that it is impossible for anyone with as many music players as you have to listen to more radio.

 

[I.B. Iquity]

"What about the others in your family? Can you honestly say their TSL hasn't gone down?"

My wife commutes via bus about 90 minutes in each direction every day and I know for a fact she listens to our local station when she wakes up and drives to and from the bus. She also listens to NPR when she walks the dog at night and before work.

My children are both in college and they both listen to radio in their cars. They both own I-Pods and listen to them walking on their respective campuses.


"And, wouldn't we expect someone who chooses the handle "I.B. Iquity" be a liiiittttlle teensy bit sympathetic to the HD2 cause?"

I chose this name as a response to SayNoToIboc. I work for a program syndicator/radio network and not a local radio station. My only interest in IBOC is as a consumer and radio listener. Hope this answers your questions.


"I would posit that it is impossible for anyone with as many music players as you have to listen to more radio."

I only listen to one thing at a time. Growing up in NY we have 7 VHF TV stations and no FM. Today on Directv I receive over 100 stations and my FM dial is filled to overflowing. I still listen to radio both AM & FM. It's all just another alternative. I'm not throwing out my radios any time soon and no one else i know of is either. I'd still like the ability to hear alternative formats which the HD 2 & 3 streams afford (There's a non compete agreement amongst the IBOC stations within a market) and the improved AM audio quality. Hey into the mid 70's growing up we only had black and white TV. Today, you can't find a 19 inch black & White television manufactured. Technological improvements have antiquated Black & White television and in the future the same will hold true for analogue AM & FM. AM will of course be the first to go unless changes are made.

 

[zumahans]

That makes perfect sense, everything you say.

And I would also say that your family's commercial radio usage has dropped precipitously when compared to a similar family demographic 10, 20, or 40 years ago.

Did your mother listen to noncom radio?

Did you listen to prerecorded music at college, while walking form class to class?

Do you think commercial radio TSL is unchanged since the 1950s?

 

[I.B. Iquity]

And new technologies are comning into an already crowded field yet, the competition never stopped them from trying.

 

[PLL]

Let's get this thread back to the beginning !

 

[PLL]

Radio isn’t dying because its programming isn’t sufficiently focused into musical niches; it’s failing because the product is irrelevant and unlistenable. Short playlists, especially in formats playing music from earlier decades, burn out classic tunes and ignore much of what the audience wants to hear. If they want an audience to listen to music-oriented programming, they need to relearn how to present it. Fortunately, some are trying.
Radio was supposed to be local. The technology–and the policy–initially demanded a local element to radio that is endangered now. If HD radio, with its niche formats, becomes the functional equipment of a juke box or iPod, what will differentiate it from satellite (or an iPod, for that matter)? If local stations pipe in nationally syndicated shows, what’s the difference? The only content that is truly local on far too many stations is the advertising. If that’s all they can do, then we won’t lose much by having them replaced by the satellite companies.

 

[IBOCRocks]

Radio isn’t dying because its programming isn’t sufficiently focused into musical niches; it’s failing because the product is irrelevant and unlistenable. Short playlists, especially in formats playing music from earlier decades, burn out classic tunes and ignore much of what the audience wants to hear. If they want an audience to listen to music-oriented programming, they need to relearn how to present it. Fortunately, some are trying.
Radio was supposed to be local. The technology–and the policy–initially demanded a local element to radio that is endangered now. If HD radio, with its niche formats, becomes the functional equipment of a juke box or iPod, what will differentiate it from satellite (or an iPod, for that matter)? If local stations pipe in nationally syndicated shows, what’s the difference? The only content that is truly local on far too many stations is the advertising. If that’s all they can do, then we won’t lose much by having them replaced by the satellite companies.

Now that I kind of agree with!

 

[zumahans]

Yes, and today, in most markets, on most stations, "local" means the salesguy doing a Saturday morning remote from a car dealer on a cellphone.

Yawn. Can't wait for that in HiDef.