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How many radio stations play songs with false endings to them in LA
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What do you mean by "false ending"? An early fade on a repetitive ending of a song like some stations did with "Suite: Judy Blue Eues" or one of those songs that has a tiny silence as it changes tempo or goes into the hook?
Example?
Also:
Hello Goodbye -- Beatles
Bernadette -- Four Tops
Seems to have been a gimmick that had its moments in the sun in the oldies years. Lots of stations played those songs back then, obviously, but they're too old for modern commercial radio to touch.
Hello Goodbye -- Beatles
Bernadette -- Four Tops
Seems to have been a gimmick that had its moments in the sun in the oldies years. Lots of stations played those songs back then, obviously, but they're too old for modern commercial radio to touch.
Perhaps the most famous song with a false ending was Suspicious Minds by Elvis Presley. The original recording featured a long fade-out at 3:36. Dead air for a few seconds, and then the band fades back up for another minute. I doubt its a song KRTH would play today for a lot of reasons. You might hear it on KCSN.
And when KRTH did play it, you didn't know the fade was there because the processing is very aggressive. It was the same way on KHJ and KFRC when the record was new.
A lot of us carted those songs with the start of the fade potted up, followed by a fast fade when noise was going to be noticeable.
Ah, and did you ever see the processing rack at KRTH? A full height rack with a heavily tinted glass door with a lock on it. The access behind the rack was in a locked access passageway.
I've heard stories about processing/loudness wars back in the day, but didn't realize some stations took them THAT seriously?
Of course. Anything you do in radio is serious.
At WQII San Juan, I had a prototype Gregg Labs tri-band AM processor in the studio. It had a plexiglass lid with a lock. Whenever I'd get a new replacement board, I'd flip to the old LA3-A's with a crossover, swap the board and then call Greg to do the adjustments.
Here is a bit about Greg:
AES Los Angeles 2016 » Presenters: Greg Ogonowski
In 1975 he founded Gregg Laboratories, a broadcast audio signal processing company, whose systems have been used by many high profile broadcasters. He has researched the characteristics of consumer radio receivers, and co-authored a technical paper with Robert Orban, presented before the Society...
www.aes.org
Bobby Freeman “Do You Want to Dance” is another song with a false ending that comes to mind. Used to be played on KRTH back in the day and is still played occasionally on K-SURF 105.1 HD-4.
Does “Good Vibrations” count as having a false ending?
Some stations would throw an ID or a bit of imaging to fill. Most didn't play the reprise.
Those three (KRTH, KHJ and KFRC) played it all the way through, didn't need fill and you could not tell there was a false fade. That's just how aggressive the processing was.
They did. KFRC's Bob Kanner built his own system in 1975----revolutionary at the time, processing nine bands of audio separately, and the microphone separate from that. At the time, five and six-band commercial units were just beginning to appear.
RKO was so pleased, they sent Bob to KHJ/KRTH to do the same, and while he was based in L.A., they flew him around to their other markets.
As for the locked access David describes, absolutely. You don't want anyone making their own tweaks.
Gerry Cagle, who programmed KFRC from late 1980 to early 1984, talks about how critical processing was in his blog:
Pot It UP!
Pot It Up! Radio lost a great talent this week. I lost a friend. In an industry where engineers are nameless, faceless souls who, for the most part, never “got it,â€� Phil Lerza was a superstar. …
www.gerrycagle.com
There were two promo 45s of "Let 'Em In"---both mono/stereo. The first was 5:08 with a 23 second intro. The second (when radio balked over time) was 3:43, but with a 31 second intro. Very odd edit, adding time at the beginning.
Some stations thought 3:43 was a bit too long still. I'm aware of station edits that got down to around 3:05.
How long must the time between posts be for this thread to be considered as having a false ending?
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