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How Much Will Not Having Howie Carr On WRKO In The Short Term Hurt WRKO?

The only thing that is getting stale is that you choose to ignore Howie's past method of operation. What makes you think he will not do it again if it serves his purposes?


TSBench said:
I never exactly said that the shiv would be seen in one of Howie's columns

Never said you exactly did.

no more than it was when Howie gave the shiv to Jerry. He let others do his dirty work and the same will probably be true here.

Nope. I know the real story, and Howie shafted Jerry all by himself, and in person.

Many dislike Howie Carr intensely but dislike even more that an individual is treated like chattel by a major corporation.

How is Howie being treated like chattel? Do you think Entercom held his family hostage until he signed his deal? Do you think contracts only work one way? Why do you think ink-stained wretches at a dying newspaper are prepared to throw away their reps in order to carry water for some guy who pays more in income tax than they make, and regards what is a livelihood for them as a hobby for him. And, if Howie starts tossing mud, how long to do you think it will take before everyone with an axe to grind against Carr starts diming him out to every reporter and columnist in town, and why would Carr want to get involved in this type of pissing contest, especially since there won't be anything to gain from it for him? Could you possibly think that Entercom's lawyers will tell Howie it's okay if he breaches his contract as long as he stops saying those nasty things about them?

Just answer the questions. It's pretty simple. Spare us the usual BS, evasions, non-sequitors, and dodges. They're getting stale.

Regards,
TSB
 
The only thing that is getting stale is that you choose to ignore Howie's past method of operation. What makes you think he will not do it again if it serves his purposes?

Because, as I posted, it doesn't serve any conceivable purpose for him. Jeepers, that was easy.

I usually figure that when someone dodges questions, it's because they can't answer them. Haven't seen anything in this thread to make me rethink that.

Somehow, I don't think you're fooling anyone.

Regards,
TSB
 
I guess we just choose to disagree. Let's leave it at that without being disagreeable. Okay?


TSBench said:
The only thing that is getting stale is that you choose to ignore Howie's past method of operation. What makes you think he will not do it again if it serves his purposes?

Because, as I posted, it doesn't serve any conceivable purpose for him. Jeepers, that was easy.

I usually figure that when someone dodges questions, it's because they can't answer them. Haven't seen anything in this thread to make me rethink that.

Somehow, I don't think you're fooling anyone.

Regards,
TSB
 
TSBench said:
Feinburg
Interestingly, I heard Feinburg today coming out of a NH station as I was scanning the dial while riding around North Conway. I didn't know he was syndicated, but, upon checking, it appears he is, and quite successfully, around the country. He was actually pretty interesting talking about issues of national, rather than local, interest.

Savage,

A sh*thead, IMHO.

Feinburg - I agree, his weekend show is interesting, especially the final hour on Saturday where he focuses on the Middle East. He has a list of guests and some audio on his website www.toddtalk.com. Ironically, Saturday is the one day a week that WRKO does not carry Feinburg, and it is, IMHO, his best day. He also doesn't pander to his audience - he is openly areligious which is obviously disturbing for many in his national audience who tend to be conservative, literalist Christians. I wish his weekday show was more like the national show, and if he had more than two hours a day on his own show and wasn't bouncing around all the time I think he would do more of it.

TSB, it's interesting to me that you aren't a Rush fan - I thought he was The Man (for conservatives). Who do you like?

Savage - as I've posted before, I will not be surprised if he is diagnosed as having a slow-growing brain tumour which has affected his personality similar to the change in Phineas Gage's personality when the iron rod pierced his brain... http://neurophilosophy.wordpress.com/2006/12/04/the-incredible-case-of-phineas-gage/ seems he no longer had inhibitions on negative social behavior.... in other words, he was a sh*thead. ;)
 
TSB, it's interesting to me that you aren't a Rush fan -

I like Rush's ideas, probably because I agree with 95% of them. I just don't feel compelled to listen to him. I consider talk radio entertainment, not a primary news and information service. And I have absolutely no interest in what 99% of the callers have to say.

I thought he was The Man (for conservatives).

I believe that when the broadcast history of the last 25 years of the 20th century is written, only two people, Limbaugh and Stern, will be considered as the performers who had major, landscape-changing, influence on the industry. The being said, I'm sure that Limbaugh could be considered The Man for some, perhaps many, conservatives, but for me, personally, that designation is meaningless.

Who do you like?

If you mean in the philosophical development sense, nobody in radio, with the possible exception of the late David Brudnoy. My primary influences from the media in developing and defending my positions have been Thomas Sowell, Tom Wolfe, and, P.J. O'Rourke. I don't agree with them on everything, but I've never considered that a requirement. I just like the way their thought processes work.

Regards,
TSB
 
TSBench said:
Thomas Sowell, Tom Wolfe, and, P.J. O'Rourke

You're confusing me TSB. I thought people who read books were automatically designated elite liberals.

Re - Thomas Sowell, Tom Wolfe, and, P.J. O'Rourke - I wonder who paid for these guys' college educations and whether they inherited any money. I'm bemused by people who don't believe in 'handouts' who had free things given to them by their parents.

I would love radio that got into these issues... death to the death poll....

But honestly TSB, this suggests that you are more of a libertarian than a conservative (but I bet you didn't do much dope in your youth - more of a single malt scotch type, I'm guessing).

Hey raccoon, didn't you have a link to a site where you could take a test to see what your political inclinations were a while back?
 
You're confusing me TSB. I thought people who read books were automatically designated elite liberals.

Got hooked on summer library reading programs when I was a kid in the 1950s. Even today I usually have a couple going at once (right now, it's a biography of U.S. Grant and Opening Day, about Jackie Robinson's first year in the majors.)

I've never found political leanings to be indicative of any inclination to read, but I have found that being ill-read is something most ignoramuses have in common.

Re - Thomas Sowell, Tom Wolfe, and, P.J. O'Rourke - I wonder who paid for these guys' college educations and whether they inherited any money.

Sowell came from pretty poor circumstances, but I believe he went to college with help from the GI Bill after serving in the Marine Corps. If he inherited any money, he must have wondered where it came from, and where the hell it was when he was growing up in Harlem. Wolfe came from an affluent Virginia family, O'Rourke from a middle class midwestern one. Whether or not one's family had money has never figured into any of my equations in deciding if their ideas had merit.

I'm bemused by people who don't believe in 'handouts' who had free things given to them by their parents.

Most folk I know don't consider helping a family member foot college tuition, or anything else. as a handout. I think what most people object to is their money being given to non-family members in value-neutral government handout programs which oftentimes are counterproductive.

I would love radio that got into these issues... death to the death poll....

Most of radio is entertainment, and a lot of serious issues quickly become MEGO if you really delve deeply into them. Regardless, commercial talk radio has never been a forum for serious thought (on either side of the political spectrum), and probably isn't going to become one anytime soon.

But honestly TSB, this suggests that you are more of a libertarian than a conservative

Not really. Although in my experience most real conservates have some libertarian tendencies. I take the ideas I want and discard the ones which I don't think make sense. Some items in the libertarian "anything goes" canon is where I often part company with these folks, such as Sowell's support for drug decriminalization/legalization.

(but I bet you didn't do much dope in your youth -

Nary a one. I'd been subject to drug testing from the time I was 17 until 1996, and I never really had the desire anyway, so they never really entered into the picture.

more of a single malt scotch type, I'm guessing).

Jose Cuervo is a friend of mine.

Regards,
TSB
 
What most people object to is their money being given to non-family members...

Of course. But, nevertheless, when they give their money to their child, that child has received something they have not earned and therefore has an advantage over another child who does not have that benefit. Like, parents paying for college tuition. I consider that to be a handout. I don't necessarily think it's wrong, and I certainly understand the biologically driven desire by parents to give their children every possible advantage. But, it's still unearned, free money that gives that kid advantages over others.

I like O'Rourke on the occasional times that I listen to Wait Wait on that parallel universe, I mean, other radio network that never seems to be mentioned on this board. Does Wolfe still like Bush? (did you read his latest? would you admit it if you have??)
 
"Jose Cuervo is a friend of mine."
Nice song, but just say no to that dyed yellow crap. Hornitos is your friend.
 
Of course. But, nevertheless, when they give their money to their child, that child has received something they have not earned and therefore has an advantage over another child who does not have that benefit. Like, parents paying for college tuition. I consider that to be a handout. I don't necessarily think it's wrong, and I certainly understand the biologically driven desire by parents to give their children every possible advantage. But, it's still unearned, free money that gives that kid advantages over others.

Life is unfair. Is there a point to this? Or are you just making a personal observation?

I like O'Rourke on the occasional times that I listen to Wait Wait on that parallel universe, I mean, other radio network that never seems to be mentioned on this board.

I think NPR is occasionally mentioned, and there is a separate board for discussing non-comm radio, but, yes, most of the comments on this board concern commercial radio. Nothing to stop you from bringing it up, though.

Does Wolfe still like Bush?

Don't know, and don't particularly care. Last I read was an interview with Wolfe where he praised Bush's taste in literature, mostly because Bush liked Simmons. It was a blatantly transparent hoot. The last straight-up political piece I read by Wolfe was an essay on why the Democrats don't understand the voting culture in southern Ohio in general and Cincinnati in particular.


(did you read his latest? would you admit it if you have??)

I'm not sure I know what his "latest" is. I like his essays more than his fiction so, after trying to slog though Bonfire and Full, even my purient interests couldn't get me to buy Charlotte Simmons. Last thing I read by Wolfe was a transcript of his Jefferson Lecture, The Human Beast. I read Wolfe for cultural and social commentary, not politics.

But just why, exactly, would I deny having read something? Heck, I admit to reading Casablanca's posts. What could be more declasse than that?

Regards,
TSB
 
For the Howie fans on Free Republic I do a ping list and this week we're talking about what we're listening to
now that Howie's in exile (Howie's replacements? something else?)..I noted that Feinburg doing the Chumpline
is like having a 10 yr old kid pitch for the Sox instead of Beckett. Not quite as good.
 
TSBench said:
Of course. But, nevertheless, when they give their money to their child, that child has received something they have not earned and therefore has an advantage over another child who does not have that benefit. Like, parents paying for college tuition. I consider that to be a handout. I don't necessarily think it's wrong, and I certainly understand the biologically driven desire by parents to give their children every possible advantage. But, it's still unearned, free money that gives that kid advantages over others.

Life is unfair. Is there a point to this? Or are you just making a personal observation?

I obviously have no idea about your situation, but I find that the people who quote this tend to be people to whom life hasn't been that unfair. And, I'm not talking about where people end up - I'm talking about where people start out. I'm guessing you're an exception to this, but what the heck do I know. In the end I think most people vote their economic self interest with the exception of wealthy liberals who realize they were just lucky (if they inherited - Kennedys, Roosevelts), or want others to have the same opportunities they had (if they had help at the start - think Gates and Buffet).

You know how they say a liberal is a conservative who hasn't been mugged? Well, a conservative is a liberal who hasn't been bankrupted by a medical condition (or similar).

Bringing it back to radio, I wish we had more debates of this variety on the air.... I think the current one-sidedness of the conversation is a real shame - talk about MEGO factor.

And, yeah, the Charlotte book is the one I was referring to and I know what you mean about not buying it - the last thing I want is to read about the sex lives of college co-eds from the point of view of Tom Wolfe (major eeeuuuwww factor) ! Why am I not surprised that Bush liked it! That's funny.

Haven't read many of Wolfe's essays - will do.
 
I obviously have no idea about your situation, but I find that the people who quote this tend to be people to whom life hasn't been that unfair. And, I'm not talking about where people end up - I'm talking about where people start out. I'm guessing you're an exception to this, but what the heck do I know.

Back when I was a kid hawking Pat Ledgers at the gates of the Quincy shipyard and waiting for my father to get off the day shift, a bunch of us used to gather around and discuss the silver spoons we were all born with. But I did have the benefit of what really counts, a stable home life with parents who put great stock in education and expected us to solve our own problems, whenever possible.

In the end I think most people vote their economic self interest with the exception of wealthy liberals who feel guilty about their luck, or at least want others to have the opportunities for luck too.

Being neither wealthy or a liberal, I wouldn't know what their motivation would be but, of course, one of the benefits of wealth is that, outside of outright confiscation, the cost of the hand-out and feel-good programs they espouse for others never makes a dent in their standard of living.

You know how they say a liberal is a conservative who hasn't been mugged? Well, a conservative is a liberal who hasn't been bankrupted by a medical condition (or similar).

I've never been mugged, but I have coughed up lots of dough paying for medical care (for family, not myself) and I'm still conservative.

Coming back to the subject of radio, I always found it interesting that one of Howie's 'personality' ad buys, for which he is a de facto spokesman, is a 'elder law' attorney. "Elder law" is, of course, actually 'heir law', and his practice consists of showing folks how to save their inheritances by shifting the cost of caring for their parents to the tax payers. It makes it clear that he's not concerned with actually providing decent health care for the old folks, but making sure the kids can grab those 'sacred savings', just in case anyone doesn't 'get it.'. Every time I hear about how 'legal, moral, and ethical this is, I want to barf, especially when Howie chimes in with how, if his parents were in a nursing home, he'd be 'stressed and overwhelmed.' If I had Howie's money, and a mother and/or father still left to be sick, rather than a nursing home, I'd be putting them up at the Four Seasons with a private duty nurse.

I don't believe anyone, liberal or conservative, is expecting senior citz to die shivering on the sidewalk, but I know a lot of people who have finally realized that it takes two hours after 'do-gooder' legislation is passed for lawyers to figure out how to 'game' the system.

Bringing it back to radio, I wish we had more debates of this variety on the air.... I think the current one-sidedness of the conversation is a real shame - talk about MEGO factor.

If it stops being commercially successful, it will go away. Until then why should they change? Nothing succeeds like success.

Haven't read many of Wolfe's essays - will do.

Find The Purple Decades for a great compendium.

Regards,
TSB
 
It’s 75 degrees in the area right now, as we turn the
page into autumn. How much longer will Howie be off?

“...The forecast calls for 2 to 4 inches in the Boston
area, lesser amounts to the South. Now here’s Todd
Feinburg in for Howie...”

“...You can hear the spring training action from
Fort Myers on our sister station, AM 850. Now here’s
Todd Feinburg in for Howie...”

“...Temperatures could hit 90 as we head into the
July 4th weekend. Todd Feinburg is next, in for Howie,
on WRKO...”
 
raccoonradio said:
It’s 75 degrees in the area right now, as we turn the
page into autumn. How much longer will Howie be off?

“...The forecast calls for 2 to 4 inches in the Boston
area, lesser amounts to the South. Now here’s Todd
Feinburg in for Howie...”

“...You can hear the spring training action from
Fort Myers on our sister station, AM 850. Now here’s
Todd Feinburg in for Howie...”

“...Temperatures could hit 90 as we head into the
July 4th weekend. Todd Feinburg is next, in for Howie,
on WRKO...”

Racoon stop it!! You're giving me the urge to become Rip Van Winkle!! LOL! ;)
 
raccoonradio said:
Actually by six months from now WRKO could be Music Of Your Life :) Sinatra and the Sox!

LOL! It works on WPHT, they air Sinatra shows on Friday and Sunday with Sid Mark. WRKO could do a lot worse (and are)! :D
 
Coming back to the subject of radio, I always found it interesting that one of Howie's 'personality' ad buys, for which he is a de facto spokesman, is a 'elder law' attorney. "Elder law" is, of course, actually 'heir law', and his practice consists of showing folks how to save their inheritances by shifting the cost of caring for their parents to the tax payers. It makes it clear that he's not concerned with actually providing decent health care for the old folks, but making sure the kids can grab those 'sacred savings', just in case anyone doesn't 'get it.'. Every time I hear about how 'legal, moral, and ethical this is, I want to barf, especially when Howie chimes in with how, if his parents were in a nursing home, he'd be 'stressed and overwhelmed.' If I had Howie's money, and a mother and/or father still left to be sick, rather than a nursing home, I'd be putting them up at the Four Seasons with a private duty nurse.


you noticed that too, huh? and I heard Feinburg doing the same ad today, shortly after I read your post. Ha!

It's interesting on so many levels:

- I don't listen to Carr much, but I would expect that lawyers are occasionally the target of his sharp tongue; perhaps he's blamed them for one or two ills in our society. I have vague memories of statements to that effect.
- The service being advertised is as you describe - diverting money so it can be a handout to someone who didn't earn it by someone who will then take tax money from the state.
- But, the best part is that the target audience for the advertising is conservative - people who supposedly are against handouts and spending tax money!

So, either the ads are effectively increasing the business of said lawyer, in which case there are a heap o' conservative hypocrites* out there; or the lawyer is being duped by some sweet-talkin ad guy from a major radio station.


*not saying I'm perfect...
 
Thanks to lawyer Alan Dershowitz, Howie has a condo in Florida (the Imus settlement). He has also
said on air that he's worked with R. Robert Popeo.
 
you noticed that too, huh? and I heard Feinburg doing the same ad today, shortly after I read your post. Ha!

Yeah, but it's funnier, in sort of a dichotomous kind of way, when Howie does it.

It's interesting on so many levels:

- I don't listen to Carr much, but I would expect that lawyers are occasionally the target of his sharp tongue; perhaps he's blamed them for one or two ills in our society. I have vague memories of statements to that effect.

Well, it's the old "all lawyers suck, except mine" position, which isn't all that uncommon. Howie also liked to rant about people who used the courts and the legal system to save themselves from their own incompetence and stupidity. He probably won't be hitting that one too hard for the foreseeable future.
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- The service being advertised is as you describe - diverting money so it can be a handout to someone who didn't earn it by someone who will then take tax money from the state.

Actually, its a handout to someone who doesn't need it to benefit someone who didn't earn it. I've never understood why it is 'illegal, immoral, and unethical" for people to pay their own bills, and let the kids just divvy up the life insurance money,

- But, the best part is that the target audience for the advertising is conservative - people who supposedly are against handouts and spending tax money!

That assumes facts not in evidence. I've always thought conservatives who hang their hats on Carr are taking a risk, since Howie is actually more a cynic (someone who knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing) than a true ideological conservative. I've never found his callers particularly conservative either, mostly either reactionary or the usual 'me, too' (......right on, Howie, you've nailed it, drunk drivers killing people is bad, keep up the good fight against the entrenched pro drunk driving lobby....), or apostle-of-the-obvious type (Yes. Howie, crime is bad..).

Interestingly, those who have the biggest axes to grind against Carr always go straight to the ad homs in taking him on, instead of explaining what is faulty with his thinking. If you can't intellectually wrestle Howie Carr to the ground, you probably shouldn't be allowed to listen to the radio, or use a keyboard, without a caretaker standing by.

As someone elsewhere once pointed out, Howie's brand of conservatism is 'leave me alone and keep your hands off my money." In fairness, I should say that he has never said that prohibition should be extended to your money.

So, either the ads are effectively increasing the business of said lawyer, in which case there are a heap o' conservative hypocrites* out there; or the lawyer is being duped by some sweet-talkin ad guy from a major radio station.

But no one side has cornered the market in hyprocrisy. I think a lot of us remember when liberal gadfly, Sam Donaldson, who made a cottage industry of badmouthing government handout programs, especially Republican-favored ones, like farm subsidies, was revealed to have been knocking down a hundred grand a year in subsidies for raising goats on his 30,000 acre future retirement ranch (evidently the government was concerned about the threat of a future mohair or goat cheese shortage.) I think Donaldson, probably unintentionally, both hit the nail right on the head, and detailed the problem exquisitely, when he stated....

"....But the bottom line, Donaldson said, is that the deal is there and he's glad to take the money. "The government helps ranchers and farmers and businesses of all kinds. If it is in existence and I am eligible to use it, I'll use it." According to) populist broadcaster Jim Hightower, Donaldson also avails himself of federal largesse by leasing large tracts of public land and asking government help in controlling the coyotes that dine on his sheep."

That lawyer's been advertising on the station for quite a while, so I think you can assume that it's working. And, whomever wrote the copy is brilliant and knows his audience perfectly...just tell them its "legal, moral, and ethical, and they'll take your word for it, because it's a lot easier then asking themselves if it's "principled" or "intellectually honest."

If you think politics makes strange bedfellows, it doesn't hold a candle to greed, on either side of the political aisle.

Regards,
TSB
 
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