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HYPOTHETICAL SPECULATION: What if the major Networks left OTA and went to cable?

Every wild idea we have thrown into this topic sooner or later gets attached to or revolves around the question you just asked.

Currently some on-demand delivery involves reruns of stuff originally funded by the traditional networks.

Does disconnecting the network apparatus from the OTA apparatus totally blow up the current funding model for production?

Would that be a good thing.... or a bad thing?

I don't know about totally blowing up the funding model, but it would make some changes. For one thing, local stations might have to actually produce some of their own on-air product! When I was in high school, I was on a magazine format talk/variety show on my local PBS station. Production costs were incredible! Color cameras cost in the neighborhood of $75,000 to $100,000 in the 1960's when $1,000 was a lot of money. This 5 minute short program was shot on an iPhone. Anyone can shoot a technically good video on very economical hardware, and edit the finished product on free or almost free computer software. That's why I speculated earlier that we could see local TV stations becoming more like YouTube, with amateur and semi-amateur content.

I would not be surprised to see the old-fashioned variety show make a comeback, as local stations could economically produce local shows featuring locally based entertainers. Partnerships might develop with local radio stations, as the "wild and crazy morning team" shows might be adapted for television broadcast, looking much like Howard Stern's old show on E!.
 
If the paradigm shifts to "on demand" programming, how will that impact the business of producing top-notch content? Currently, there are a few TV series created specifically for on demand programming. Some are reputed to be very good. Others, not so much. Where will new content come from if the major OTA networks switch their distribution over to on demand? How will the new content be funded?
The paradigm has already shifted, the broadcast and cable networks just don't accept that yet. As for where the content will come from... where's the on-demand content coming from now? You've got both online services and major studios funding production, you've got investors banking on younger, upstart studios who are trying to make their own thing work, you've got underwritten series that one or two companies take on in exchange for product placement and a couple ads (see Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee)... where isn't the content coming from?
 
Scripted comedies, dramas, and action-adventure shows don't just spring forth fully formed. It takes some concerted effort to produce even a half-hour sitcom. If the paradigm shifts to "on demand" programming, how will that impact the business of producing top-notch content? Currently, there are a few TV series created specifically for on demand programming. Some are reputed to be very good. Others, not so much. Where will new content come from if the major OTA networks switch their distribution over to on demand? How will the new content be funded?

The major networks are owned by or co-owned with major studios (ABC-Disney, CBS-Paramount, Fox-Fox, NBC-Universal plus Time-Warner - Warner Brothers). Those studios used to own theaters (or be owned by theater chains). The government broke them up - with the result the studios took over TV, before that controlled by radio broadcasters. We are just seeing a return to vertical integration in the entertainment industry. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Lots of crap gets produced under the old model. Very little "top-notch" content. Nothing different under the new model, except more content and more diverse content will be produced.

Content gets funded the same way it always has been. Somebody puts up the money. Somebody produces the show. They both hope it sells and they get their money back plus a profit.

PS: The same thing is happening - and will happen - to radio.
 
PS: The same thing is happening - and will happen - to radio.

Not sure what you mean by that. For the past 25 years, the ownership trend in radio is it's become far more insular, where radio companies buy other radio companies, rather than radio being bought by larger more diversified entertainment conglomerates.
 
Not sure what you mean by that. For the past 25 years, the ownership trend in radio is it's become far more insular, where radio companies buy other radio companies, rather than radio being bought by larger more diversified entertainment conglomerates.

I mean audio programming will be on-demand - not fixed - too. Pandora is an intermediate step - a computer tries to custom program your personal audio stream based on what you like (and don't like). NPR has the capability - although they don't promote it, to placate the "member stations" - for you to customize your Morning Edition and All Things Considered feeds. Podcasts let you listen to other public radio programs on demand, too. CBS Radio has on-demand capability, too.
 
I mean audio programming will be on-demand - not fixed - too.

I agree. But it won't be a one-or-the-other thing. Like TV, you can distribute in real time, plus have the content available in the cloud for on-demand. Right now, there's more money to be made in real time. The on-demand model is harder to monetize at a comparable level as on air. That's what companies like Podcast One are trying to figure out now...how to make on-air money with on-demand content.
 
You may not have noticed, but we have a lot of debate, discussion.... even some yelling and screaming over economic systems. At one end is pure, unadulterated free-enterprise/capitalism. At the other extreme is socialism and collective action. Some of the things we love about our country are organizations and institutions and traditions that blend portions of the two extremes into some kind of very functional activity.

Can you say "Public School System" boys and girls? How about a publicly financed system of highways and roads.

One of the side-benefits of having a portion of broadcast content produced and distributed by the network system is that it allows broadcasters in smaller and less affluent communities to have good, well produced, content rich programs. A push head-long into some new structure in broadcasting in which ALL programming content would be/must be generated at the local station would mean that citizens of larger wealthier metro areas would enjoy quality programming while folks living in less populated and less economically viable parts of the country would have to settle for poverty class broadcast production.

We like to say we want totally unregulated business activity. Do we? Really?
 
We like to say we want totally unregulated business activity. Do we? Really?

Broadcasters don't. Never have. Never will. They just want the game rigged for the house.

Some you all are desperate hanging onto rusty towers television. Put a fork in it. It's like people wishing vaudeville will come back. Rusty towers is one-size fits all. On demand is have it your way. If people want local; on demand will deliver it - everywhere.

Let's not overlook the fact that corporate terrestrial broadcasting abandoned local programming decades ago. They'd rather take the same syndicated product seen in every other market, plus a couple of hours a night from a semi-network like My Network (actually Rupert Murdoch's other network) and CW (C is for CBS). They could do local talent shows. There's plenty of room in the schedule. They don't. They'd run infomercials sooner.

And for the record, old time radio isn't going to come back either.
 
You may not have noticed, but we have a lot of debate, discussion.... even some yelling and screaming over economic systems. At one end is pure, unadulterated free-enterprise/capitalism. At the other extreme is socialism and collective action. Some of the things we love about our country are organizations and institutions and traditions that blend portions of the two extremes into some kind of very functional activity.

Can you say "Public School System" boys and girls? How about a publicly financed system of highways and roads.

One of the side-benefits of having a portion of broadcast content produced and distributed by the network system is that it allows broadcasters in smaller and less affluent communities to have good, well produced, content rich programs. A push head-long into some new structure in broadcasting in which ALL programming content would be/must be generated at the local station would mean that citizens of larger wealthier metro areas would enjoy quality programming while folks living in less populated and less economically viable parts of the country would have to settle for poverty class broadcast production.

We like to say we want totally unregulated business activity. Do we? Really?

The premise of this thread is speculation on what might happen if the major networks continued to provide the same show they currently provide, they just do it through an alternate distribution system like cable or some sort of "cableish" alternative. That's why I put the redundant "HYPOTHETICAL SPECULATION" in all caps. The redundancy and the all caps were to ensure that this didn't turn into a discussion of whether or not keeping free, OTA TV alive so that poor folks in the middle of nowhere won't miss "Dancing With the Stars" is a good thing or not.

In the theoretical, imaginary context of this unreal, hypothetical, speculative thread (is that enough redundancy to make the point that this isn't about distribution media?), all of the current bunch of crap that ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, and the little networks pump out over the air would still be pumped out. No one would have to do without "The Bachelorette", unless they weren't willing to spring for cable.

And, my speculation that there might be some locally produced content doesn't preclude additional content coming to OTA TV stations through syndication. Maybe OTA will become to network shows like "How I Met Your Mother" what HBO used to be to movies before VHS rentals, and then DVD rentals were to seeing movies at the movies. You could spring for an expensive ticket to see a movie at a first run theater, or you could wait until it came to the cheaper neighborhood theaters for a deeply discounted ticket price, or you could wait even later to see it on HBO or Showtime. Then VHS and later DVD rentals replaced the pay cable networks. Then relatively cheap DVD purchases replaced rentals for first-run home viewing, followed by waiting four weeks to rent the movie from Redbox or Netflix. That chain has been around for a long time now. So maybe we would just see more syndication of network shows after the episodes are a few years old.

I didn't start watching Big Bang Theory until it was stripped weeknights on my local station. So maybe OTA TV would continue to broadcast the same crap it broadcasts now, only a year or two later.
 
Interesting idea. Think about this: HBO has been creating a lot of first-run, Emmy-winning programming over the last few years. None of it gets on OTA TV. Imagine if Fox gets its hands on Time Warner, owner of HBO, and starts using its broadcast outlets for second runs of The Sopranos or other top shows. NBC-Universal, on the other hand, was using Bravo to repeat some of its weekly OTA shows. Disney was repackaging some of its cable programming as Saturday morning shows, although I think that's over.
 
Interesting idea. Think about this: HBO has been creating a lot of first-run, Emmy-winning programming over the last few years. None of it gets on OTA TV. Imagine if Fox gets its hands on Time Warner, owner of HBO, and starts using its broadcast outlets for second runs of The Sopranos or other top shows. NBC-Universal, on the other hand, was using Bravo to repeat some of its weekly OTA shows. Disney was repackaging some of its cable programming as Saturday morning shows, although I think that's over.

HBO's (and Showtime's) second run has been on Netflix and Amazon Prime. One advantage has been the growing popularity of binge viewing - watching an entire limited run series in one setting. It's a whole different experience.

Besides, these premium cable shows would have to be heavily censored to get on OTA TV.

Avid Listener: Lighten up. You started something and it didn't turn out the way you wanted. Maybe you should pay attention to what people told you instead of trying to force fit everything into your own preconceptions. Sorry, but you will see the end of OTA TV in your lifetime. But like most people in broadcasting, you are in denial. You can't stop the tide from coming in.
 
OTA TV will survive but Cable TV will see an end in our lifetime due to alot of people cutting the cord.

Say what? People left OTA and flocked to Cable TV because they got something they like: Variety. Personal choice. Go back to OTA. I have trouble seeing that. They may "cut the cord" and go to something that is not wired... Have you heard about these things they call Smart Phones? No cord. The 'genie is out of the bottle and probably can't be stuffed back in'.
 
It seems to me that on-demand has the potential to be as expensive or even more expensive than what we have now. Right now, almost any service offers you a wide selection of old movies and old series, but only 1-2 original shows. So to get new shows, you have to subscribe to the service that offers the shows. You could easily end up subscribing to NetFlix, Hulu, Prime and several other services to get all of the shows you want.

Advertising could help defray the cost, except that it's almost impossible to keep people from skipping ads.

One nice thing about our current mix of OTA and cable/satellite is that you can check out a new show at no additional cost--in most cases. If Netflix starts a new show and you want to check it out, you either have to shell out that $7.99 or get a friend to let you watch it.
 
OTA TV will survive but Cable TV will see an end in our lifetime due to alot of people cutting the cord.

A lot? No way. Some maybe. A few. This is another of those man bites dog stories the media love so much. Except the media today finds a man bites dog story and plays it as a new trend. "Is your dog safe?"

I have a TV to which no outside "cord" is attached - just the cord to my roof antenna. I receive maybe two-thirds of the stations that the FCC website put green dots next to and tells me I should get with an indoor antenna. And some of those magically disappear for a while and reappear late (I can't see a connection with weather, so I have no idea why). If I thought about "cord cutting" this experience certainly killed the idea.

Why did I get cable in the first place? Because OTA reception - in the city - was so poor. With analog, it was consistently poor pictures. With digital, it's good picture sometimes or no picture at all. Big improvement.

And Internet to watch TV still requires a hook-up to the cable company or the phone company. And Internet is about two-thirds of my cable bill anyway.

If people were "cord-cutting" to any extent, Comcast would not be rolling in cash. But they are.
 
OTA TV will survive but Cable TV will see an end in our lifetime due to alot of people cutting the cord.

The thing is, when it comes to writing headlines and selling Roku and other such products, enough people are cancelling conventional cable to be considered "a lot", even though they are only a drop in the bucket compared to the people keeping cable. As long as people want high-speed, broad-band internet and cable TV companies bundle that with TV channels and often landline phone service and even home security, "cable" will be around. And, as pointed out earlier in this thread, for all practical intents and purposes the alternatives to conventional cable are simply alternative technologies for what we've always referred to as "cable". Sure, there might be a wireless system come along to compete with cable. A really strong case can be made that satellite services like DirectTV or Dishnet are nothing more than "cable-on-a-dish".

No matter how many people "cut the cord" (which, BTW, is nothing more than a stupid advertising slogan!), the "cable" networks like HBO, Showtime, A&E, TNT, Discover, and all the dozens and dozens of other networks that provide content offerings in competition with ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, and the little ones will be around and providing content for a long, long time. The distribution technologies might change, but not the role of the content providers. The only content providers that I don't see surviving as major players for much longer are the OTA networks. We'll continue to see fewer and fewer high-quality scripted programs and more and more crappy reality shows, game shows, and live sporting events as the OTA networks become decreasingly relevant.
 
If people were "cord-cutting" to any extent, Comcast would not be rolling in cash. But they are.

they are only rolling in the cash cause it only costs them pennies on the dollar to send out the content. and they rape customers with ridiculously high bills.

quite frank comcrap could charge $10 a month for the "fastest" internet (which the tiered garbage they have is just a firmware mod via the modem they give you) and they could still make money. But comcrap don't do that, they see how high they can jack the bill to see how much screwing you will take and sadly most Americans are too stupid to tell them to pound sand the minute they start to jack the bill.
 
If the Big Four broadcast networks were to leave OTA behind, it would be game over for OTA. It doesn't matter what the stations left behind tried to do: the Big Four networks are the only thing propping OTA up right now. As long as the Big Four ensure that (most of) the most popular programming is on OTA, it will survive and people will support it; the instant that changes no one will even have a reason to recognize its existence. There would be no pressure to keep the must-carry or retransmission consent rules up, and without those the audience for broadcast transmissions that anyone actually cared about would be approximately zero. That's why this thread was never not going to be about whether or not OTA will or should survive, because everyone here (aside from FredLeonard) loves OTA and don't want to see it go away - and we seem to be alone in that.

The FCC and Congress have been stacking the deck against OTA and in favor of cable for 20-40 years now, some of it intentional, some of it not. The biggest thing is probably something that neither one of them did directly, the ability for cable networks to charge subscription fees. The FCC places content restrictions on the broadcast stations in the name of "decency" and "education" and "protecting the youth" but claim to be helpless to apply the same rules to the cable networks that are broadcast stations' direct competitors in every other way (thus the only effect is severely restricting broadcast networks' ability to get the same kind of programming that cable networks can get, and in the case of E/I regulations, also restricting their ability to get programs kids will actually watch and severely throttling the potential of "cable-like" subchannels). The FCC and Congress put together a digital transition mechanism and adopted a digital standard that substantially reduced the reach of OTA and confused most of what few people still had antennas into getting cable. The FCC allowed duopolies and looked the other way at obvious attempts to circumvent the rules, thus concentrating more stations in the hands of fewer companies that have less incentive to actually put programming people will actually watch on. (We once talked of UPN and the WB as though they might run down the Big Four one day; today three-fourths of their successors are owned by that Big Four.)

If there are stations out there that actually care about OTA - and as we saw in the Aereo case the deck has become so stacked against OTA broadcasting that even those that engage in it would rather you subscribe to cable - they need to get serious about getting the FCC to un-stack the deck against them, because time is running out fast. I think OTA has a place in an Internet-based on-demand future if it knows what that place is; TVCOOL has a point in that if linear television is going to survive at all as separate from the Internet, most if not all of the cable networks, insofar as their "method of transmission" is different from OTA's, would ideally go away before OTA did, if only because wireless transmission can reach devices like smartphones and tablets that wired transmission can't (even if it doesn't seem like it right now). Here's a hint about where that place is:

On-demand, online viewing will continue to gain the upper hand as programmed broadcasts lose viewership. That relates directly to the method of transmission. OTA television is not capable of on-demand programming, so it will quickly become obsolete.

There are, however, some types of programming that can't be delivered on-demand, namely live events. As someone who follows the sports media, and as such has become so used to big media companies becoming so desperate to go after sports rights as to affect their business strategies and acquisitions and ESPN potentially being a media empire unto itself if it were separate from Disney that my first thought when the Fox-Time Warner news came out was that it had to do with Rupert Murdoch coveting Turner's sports rights, I understand how important this is to the nature of linear television in this day and age. I hold out hope that Sinclair's American Sports Network is the beginning of the broadcasting industry starting to realize this, even if only in baby steps.

Maybe OTA will become to network shows like "How I Met Your Mother" what HBO used to be to movies before VHS rentals, and then DVD rentals were to seeing movies at the movies. You could spring for an expensive ticket to see a movie at a first run theater, or you could wait until it came to the cheaper neighborhood theaters for a deeply discounted ticket price, or you could wait even later to see it on HBO or Showtime. Then VHS and later DVD rentals replaced the pay cable networks. Then relatively cheap DVD purchases replaced rentals for first-run home viewing, followed by waiting four weeks to rent the movie from Redbox or Netflix. That chain has been around for a long time now. So maybe we would just see more syndication of network shows after the episodes are a few years old.

I didn't start watching Big Bang Theory until it was stripped weeknights on my local station. So maybe OTA TV would continue to broadcast the same crap it broadcasts now, only a year or two later.

I think we're seeing the opposite model developing, where a particularly popular show gets its initial premiere on a linear channel, so everyone who wants to can watch it as soon as it's available (and take part in the resulting social media conversation without being spoiled), and then - admittedly fairly immediately - show up on some online on-demand service.

I mean audio programming will be on-demand - not fixed - too. Pandora is an intermediate step - a computer tries to custom program your personal audio stream based on what you like (and don't like).

I think radio will never completely abandon the linear model. At the very least, I don't see a way Pandora ever goes out of business or fundamentally changes its business model unless some even bigger technological wave comes along. There is just so much music out there that it's very easy not to know what you want to listen next or even not to know what you would want to listen next even exists.

A lot? No way. Some maybe. A few. This is another of those man bites dog stories the media love so much. Except the media today finds a man bites dog story and plays it as a new trend. "Is your dog safe?"

I'm not even sure that's entirely the media's fault, or if it is it's the result of flaws in some of their most basic assumptions. When the media report nothing but man-bites-dog stories, at least some people are going to come to the conclusion that men bite dogs all the time, because that's what the media reports. I think this has become a big problem in politics; I don't think it applies to cord-cutting, which would be much further along if not for a) how complicated it is to do it well at the moment (at least if you're not going the hardcore OTA-only route) and b) the active and passive efforts by big media and cable companies to keep more people from doing it.
 
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