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I hope WBZ survives beyond our generation, WCBS Newsradio 88 going ESPN

.... since Consumer Advocate Clark Howard retired from traditional radio. He's still around. Just doing podcasts now.
He also does TV reports...syndicated? Locally WFXT:25.
 
In an earlier post on which many of you commented, I wrote:
When CBS still owned RADIO stations, there was this lineup of news-talkers:

1010 WINS, NY
1020 KDKA, Pittsburgh
1030 WBZ, Boston
1060 KYW, Philly
1080 WTIC, Hartford AND KRLD, Dallas
Try to understand that I used the term "news-talkers" as it is commonly used, and not in a strictly literal sense. Except for 1010 WINS and 1060 KYW, all of the other stations I listed are indeed "news/talk". And most of you should know that many stations which carry very little local news, relying largely on the feed from Fox News, will identify as "news/talk".
 
It's absolutely stunning on WXKS-HD2.
I have to agree with you on this, as my wife's car radio is HD. The audio from the HD-2, IMHO, knocks the socks off of what I've heard from their stream. I wasn't knocking HD, I was hitting on STREAMING, you know, as in what you get from mobile toys and so-called "smart"-speakers. WBZ does not plug its HD-2 feed; it plugs its stream on "the iHeartRadio app".
 
Am I just being nostalgic? I can read the demos and ratings and I sense inevitability—but I’m just saddened to see the truly legendary WCBS Newsradio going Sports.
Was I being nostalgic? I was saddened to hear when WBZ with its legendary Bruce Bradley and WINS with its legendary Murray Kaufman were going from music to all news.

Today I (in New Hampshire) reach for the radio dial to change to WBZ and WINS comes in so loud that I land on it instead.

Today I suspect that WBZ is iHeart's Boston area cash cow while sisters WRKO and WXKS in their same Medford building are their primary content (political) disseminators.

Am I being nostalgic? I miss WNAC's (now today's WRKO) 15 minute hourly newscasts. The ubiquitous 5 minute newscasts rehash the same stories over and and over again. Even WBZ claiming to be Boston's news station seems to be rehashing the same stories too often. I only wish there was an "all request" show where callers give a headline of a few words and the station puts a complete news clip on the air.
 
The thing that got WCBS-AM to flip formats is very much like how KFWB Los Angeles had to change formats
KFWB had a vastly inferior signal that no longer reached most of the areas where English as the primary language speakers lived.

WINS actually has the inferior signal to WCBS and WINS on AM misses a bunch of the farther out area in New Jersey that are part of the market.
One of the examples here is that their sister station is more dominant in all news in the radio market. In Los Angeles that's 50kw KNX-AM and 21 kw KNX-FM which covers most of the southland.

Like wise in New York it's WINS-AM and WINS-FM covers the 5 boroughs well.
The New York City Market is vastly more than Manhattan and the boroughs.

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This is the New York Metro Survey Area (in red surrounding Manhattan). More than half the population is not in the boroughs.
 
Look at the age of their P1 audience.
Agencies and clients don't look at P1 and other listening levels. They look at the AQH rating or Average Quarter Hour Persons. It does not matter how long each one listens, just how many there are when each ad runs.

P1 is a programming data set, not sales.
 
Unfortunately, the AM band is going the way of the dinosaur. People want to hear music on FM and the Internet. They don't give a damn about news or information.
 
Was I being nostalgic? I was saddened to hear when WBZ with its legendary Bruce Bradley and WINS with its legendary Murray Kaufman were going from music to all news.

Today I (in New Hampshire) reach for the radio dial to change to WBZ and WINS comes in so loud that I land on it instead.

Today I suspect that WBZ is iHeart's Boston area cash cow while sisters WRKO and WXKS in their same Medford building are their primary content (political) disseminators.

Am I being nostalgic? I miss WNAC's (now today's WRKO) 15 minute hourly newscasts. The ubiquitous 5 minute newscasts rehash the same stories over and and over again. Even WBZ claiming to be Boston's news station seems to be rehashing the same stories too often. I only wish there was an "all request" show where callers give a headline of a few words and the station puts a complete news clip on the air.
“cash cow” is a relative term. And in terrestrial AM radio “relative” equals close to “they cash flow SOMETHING” :). So in that sense you may be right lol.
 
I think the ratings of many NPR affiliated stations in this country and the remaining all news stations woukd show otherwise.
And the age demographics don't matter to those stations, just how willing their listeners of any age are to donate. But commercial news stations, like all commercial stations, need to attract younger listeners because conventional wisdom at the agencies and the advertisers themselves is that 55+ is too set in its ways to respond to advertising.
 
.. because conventional wisdom at the agencies and the advertisers themselves is that 55+ is too set in its ways to respond to advertising.
That is just part of it. Another is that people over 55 are empty nesters and buy a lot less. And yet another is that the older a person gets, the more habits and customs they have; that means it is harder to pry them loose from a favored brand. And one more: those over retirement age living on just Social Security have far less spendable income.
 
KFWB had a vastly inferior signal that no longer reached most of the areas where English as the primary language speakers lived.

WINS actually has the inferior signal to WCBS and WINS on AM misses a bunch of the farther out area in New Jersey that are part of the market.

The New York City Market is vastly more than Manhattan and the boroughs.

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This is the New York Metro Survey Area (in red surrounding Manhattan). More than half the population is not in the boroughs.
Yes and also we mentioned in past examples that WCBS-AM aimed for the New York area suburbs during the time they were all news. How much do we have to consider stations like WNYC, WLIW-FM, New Jersey Public Radio and Connecticut Public Radio WNPR getting some of the suburban listeners.

https://ratings.****************/content/arb001
 
Yes and also we mentioned in past examples that WCBS-AM aimed for the New York area suburbs during the time they were all news. How much do we have to consider stations like WNYC, WLIW-FM, New Jersey Public Radio and Connecticut Public Radio WNPR getting some of the suburban listeners.
First, there is only a fragment of one Connecticut county in the New York MSA. And it is likely that those people consider themselves NYC people, not CT people.

But going to the main point: if you look at the Nielsen sharing information that subscribers see you know that NPR stations and similar information sources hardly share any listening with "give us 20 minutes" all news commercial stations. So I would say that this is a non-factor.

In any case, the New Jersey far suburban areas that are in the Metro Survey Area where the 1010 AM signal is weaker have the FM instead.
 
Hopefully WBZ will get on an analog FM soon. Same goes for WWJ in Detroit.

Too bad Audacy did not move the AM signal to 880 and lease out 1010. 880 provides a signal which compliments 92.3. Clearly they are get more money leasing out the better signal, but what is the point of WINS on 1010 when the FM has a better signal.
 
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