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This whole exercise is proof that you can't please anybody in this industry. Why is it that message board's and newsgroup's are loaded with people who continually bitch and moan about people and/or stations they don't like? There is such a thing on EVERY radio, it is called a tuner. If you don't like whats on, find something else. Failing that, there is always a CD or mp3 player.
Although I come from another country, I am a great fan of US radio. Your diversity in choice of format's and number of stations in any given market is something I could only dream of here in Australia. I work in the industry in Australia, and even though I work for a station in the nations 2nd largest market, there is really only three stations I will listen to. Outside of them, most of the time I am either listening to my mp3 player or US radio stations on line.
I find the JACK concept quite entertaining, especially in LA. I find the imaging witty, clever and entertaining and the music is pretty good too. In my opinion, it serves it's target audiance. I think JACK NY could have used a bit of local character, seeing as though New York has given birth to some very big musical influeces over the decades. However, now it's back to the future, and still no one is happy.
Well, if nothing else, I'll keep coming back here to see who is bitching about (the once much loved) WCBS-FM.
Although I come from another country, I am a great fan of US radio. Your diversity in choice of format's and number of stations in any given market is something I could only dream of here in Australia. I work in the industry in Australia, and even though I work for a station in the nations 2nd largest market, there is really only three stations I will listen to. Outside of them, most of the time I am either listening to my mp3 player or US radio stations on line.
I find the JACK concept quite entertaining, especially in LA. I find the imaging witty, clever and entertaining and the music is pretty good too. In my opinion, it serves it's target audiance. I think JACK NY could have used a bit of local character, seeing as though New York has given birth to some very big musical influeces over the decades. However, now it's back to the future, and still no one is happy.
Well, if nothing else, I'll keep coming back here to see who is bitching about (the once much loved) WCBS-FM.
But I thought thats what the whole point of a message board is, speaking your mind. Even just having a place to vent. But what do I know.
StereoBrain said:
My point is, that there is good stuff happening in radio, ask an average listener about some of the stuff that their local station does. I'm sure you will get a sense from them, that the station is serving the requirements. I read so much stuff on All-Access about stations getting in and doing stuff for the communities they serve, yet all we can do around here is bitch and moan about the fact that station A isn't playing the music that the purist's think they should be.
I have had the same discussion with people down here in Australia. The same thing happens here, and yet these people don't look at any of the good thing's that happen around the industry.
Well, to be fair, for all the recent good developments in the industry, there's been plenty of not-so-good ones as well. I'm even leaving Jack out of this for the moment....for all those who hated the formats (including many oldies purists who were more upset/angry at seeing CBS-FM go than anything else), it also had its following. I personally liked a lot of the music it played.
The issue here is the sheer hypocrisy of certain "purists", who, when CBS-FM flipped to Jack, forgot about all the whining they were doing about CBS-FM, for its limited playlist, for the way some jocks were let go long before the flip, for the morning show, for the lack of 50's music, for playing too much disco, for not playing enough disco, for playing 80's music, for not playing the right 80's music, and so on. And yes, some of those complaints raised more valid issues about the direction of commercial radio, such as tight playlists.
But...
All of that negativity about CBS-FM magically turned into an incredible disdain for Jack FM the moment the flip occurred, and suddenly, it was like CBS-FM was the greatest thing to ever happen to radio. People have been on this and other boards begging for the station to return for two years. It ranks right up there with the people begging for country to return to the airwaves. It was probably one of the most common topics on this board and the "other" major NYC radio board.
Suddenly, Jack gets Jacked. CBS-FM is back. Some of the legendary jocks are back. The station has moved forward a bit in time but still plays plenty of 60s tunes in proportion to its entire playlist, and has even dipped back into the 50s.
And what do we get?
All of the begging and pleading for the great CBS-FM to return ends, and the complaining and whining about how bad CBS-FM is resumes, right where it left off before the format change. Not enough 50's music. Why is it playing 80's music. Why is it playing too much rock? Why is it playing too much disco? Why isn't this jock back on the air? Why is this jock doing evenings? He sucks. There's no ads now, but what's going to happen when the station airs commercials again? Why is it playing this song? Why is it playing music from this artist? Where's the doo-wop shop? Why should it only be a specialty program? Why should there be specialty programs? Why is the station jockless/voicetracked at 4:26 AM the first day it's back on the air? I mean....come on now.
I mean, the amount of whining and complaining is crazy but a lot of it just boils down to the fact that all the whiners and complainers seemed to romanticize about the "ideal" image they kept of CBS-FM in their heads during the two years of Jack on 101.1, but when the real CBS-FM is back on the air, everyone seems to want to turn it into their own personal over-the-air jukebox.
I mean, gee. I'm sure there's plenty of classic rock fans out there who get tired of hearing Stairway to Heaven every day on Q104.3. The dance fans can't stand KTU for going only as far as Gloria Gaynor and Marc Anthony as far as "dance" music is concerned. But most people who post here understand how radio works (and how it often doesn't work). CBS-FM isn't someone's own personal ipod or online radio station. It's there to do what every commercial station is supposed to do: make money. And the way in which CBS-FM operates is no different than any other major market commercial station, and in fact, even having as many live voices on the air as CBS-FM does is a bit of a refreshing change from the current trend of voicetracking and syndicated programming (see: Delilah on 106.7).
Overall, I just sense a lot of bitterness from the oldies "purists" and a denial of what the reality today, in 2007, is, both in radio and overall. To an extent, I sympathize with them and with so many others who cannot hear their favorite music on the radio anymore. However, after waxing nostalgic about the station for two years, starting the whining and complaining literally minutes after the station returns to the airwaves is a bit absurd, especially when they were whining about the same problems before the flip in 2005, problems which were "forgotten" (put aside) to complain about Jack for two years. Even in the hypothetical scenario that CBS-FM suddenly pumps out lots more 50s tunes in its regular playlist...even then, I am sure the purists would find something to whine or nitpick about...it's not the right music...or why are they playing all that other stuff...that's not oldies.....and so on. It never seems to end.
Guys, if you really, really want to hear 50's music, do what the fans of real dance music, modern rock, country, classic alternative, triple A and other unrepresented genres of music in the NYC area have done: get Sirius or XM, or a CD player, or an mp3 player, or an HD radio, or listen to one of literally thousands of online streams (they're even going to be online a while longer since Soundexchange isn't going to enforce the increased royalty rates right away...horray!), or even in the case of so-called real oldies...dust off the old vinyl, cassette tape and 8-tracks. See, that wasn't so bad, was it? ;D
The issue here is the sheer hypocrisy of certain "purists", who, when CBS-FM flipped to Jack, forgot about all the whining they were doing about CBS-FM, for its limited playlist, for the way some jocks were let go long before the flip, for the morning show, for the lack of 50's music, for playing too much disco, for not playing enough disco, for playing 80's music, for not playing the right 80's music, and so on. And yes, some of those complaints raised more valid issues about the direction of commercial radio, such as tight playlists.
But...
All of that negativity about CBS-FM magically turned into an incredible disdain for Jack FM the moment the flip occurred, and suddenly, it was like CBS-FM was the greatest thing to ever happen to radio. People have been on this and other boards begging for the station to return for two years. It ranks right up there with the people begging for country to return to the airwaves. It was probably one of the most common topics on this board and the "other" major NYC radio board.
Suddenly, Jack gets Jacked. CBS-FM is back. Some of the legendary jocks are back. The station has moved forward a bit in time but still plays plenty of 60s tunes in proportion to its entire playlist, and has even dipped back into the 50s.
And what do we get?
All of the begging and pleading for the great CBS-FM to return ends, and the complaining and whining about how bad CBS-FM is resumes, right where it left off before the format change. Not enough 50's music. Why is it playing 80's music. Why is it playing too much rock? Why is it playing too much disco? Why isn't this jock back on the air? Why is this jock doing evenings? He sucks. There's no ads now, but what's going to happen when the station airs commercials again? Why is it playing this song? Why is it playing music from this artist? Where's the doo-wop shop? Why should it only be a specialty program? Why should there be specialty programs? Why is the station jockless/voicetracked at 4:26 AM the first day it's back on the air? I mean....come on now.
I mean, the amount of whining and complaining is crazy but a lot of it just boils down to the fact that all the whiners and complainers seemed to romanticize about the "ideal" image they kept of CBS-FM in their heads during the two years of Jack on 101.1, but when the real CBS-FM is back on the air, everyone seems to want to turn it into their own personal over-the-air jukebox.
I mean, gee. I'm sure there's plenty of classic rock fans out there who get tired of hearing Stairway to Heaven every day on Q104.3. The dance fans can't stand KTU for going only as far as Gloria Gaynor and Marc Anthony as far as "dance" music is concerned. But most people who post here understand how radio works (and how it often doesn't work). CBS-FM isn't someone's own personal ipod or online radio station. It's there to do what every commercial station is supposed to do: make money. And the way in which CBS-FM operates is no different than any other major market commercial station, and in fact, even having as many live voices on the air as CBS-FM does is a bit of a refreshing change from the current trend of voicetracking and syndicated programming (see: Delilah on 106.7).
Overall, I just sense a lot of bitterness from the oldies "purists" and a denial of what the reality today, in 2007, is, both in radio and overall. To an extent, I sympathize with them and with so many others who cannot hear their favorite music on the radio anymore. However, after waxing nostalgic about the station for two years, starting the whining and complaining literally minutes after the station returns to the airwaves is a bit absurd, especially when they were whining about the same problems before the flip in 2005, problems which were "forgotten" (put aside) to complain about Jack for two years. Even in the hypothetical scenario that CBS-FM suddenly pumps out lots more 50s tunes in its regular playlist...even then, I am sure the purists would find something to whine or nitpick about...it's not the right music...or why are they playing all that other stuff...that's not oldies.....and so on. It never seems to end.
Guys, if you really, really want to hear 50's music, do what the fans of real dance music, modern rock, country, classic alternative, triple A and other unrepresented genres of music in the NYC area have done: get Sirius or XM, or a CD player, or an mp3 player, or an HD radio, or listen to one of literally thousands of online streams (they're even going to be online a while longer since Soundexchange isn't going to enforce the increased royalty rates right away...horray!), or even in the case of so-called real oldies...dust off the old vinyl, cassette tape and 8-tracks. See, that wasn't so bad, was it? ;D
neo11 said:
Back to my point. Its okay if listeners on a message board expose their feelings about a station. Once again thats why its called a "message board." It's also why its called America. You can also click the red X on the upper right side of your screen and simply end the critisism from so called listeners. "Let's censor them too." That seems to be the case on corporate radio and its impending death. But what do I know?
Rabid fan boys cannot handled opinions or criticisms on a message board. So what else is new.
No one is expecting it to be their own personal ipod or online radio station, but you did state exactly what the problem is across many NYC radio stations no matter the format. We hear the same tired played out old songs no matter what the format is and you would have to be living in a vacuum not to realize it. So who are they trying to appeal to, people that only listen to the radio once a year?
Another good example: "dance fans can't stand KTU for going only as far as Gloria Gaynor ". Not only is she played out every where else she is now even played on the new CBS-FM. This is exactly what is wrong with CBS-FM, by having a playlist of the most beat to death songs.
Why should people not the complain since the station did in fact not return. We we now have is a late 70s hit-disco station playing the most played out songs. I was just a kid during that period but even I can see artistically that the 50's and 60's is far superior than this crap.
That time period is played out and they should drop anything greater than 1972 from the playlist. Other NYC stations already are serving all too well music from 1972+
No one is expecting it to be their own personal ipod or online radio station, but you did state exactly what the problem is across many NYC radio stations no matter the format. We hear the same tired played out old songs no matter what the format is and you would have to be living in a vacuum not to realize it. So who are they trying to appeal to, people that only listen to the radio once a year?
Another good example: "dance fans can't stand KTU for going only as far as Gloria Gaynor ". Not only is she played out every where else she is now even played on the new CBS-FM. This is exactly what is wrong with CBS-FM, by having a playlist of the most beat to death songs.
Why should people not the complain since the station did in fact not return. We we now have is a late 70s hit-disco station playing the most played out songs. I was just a kid during that period but even I can see artistically that the 50's and 60's is far superior than this crap.
That time period is played out and they should drop anything greater than 1972 from the playlist. Other NYC stations already are serving all too well music from 1972+
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NamJock said:
You are correct.
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chuckydoll
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When the flip happened 25 months ago I was shocked but not surprised. Oldies is burned out as a format because it is fixated on the past and not tuned to the present.
Now that CBS-FM is back with its old format for the most part, everybody is bowing and scraping like a debutante at a charity ball. Stuff like that is sickening.
CBS-FM isn't bigger and better than ever. They've become like Roger Clemens. When word got out that the Yankees were bringing him back everyone was saying the Yankees are gonna be winners again. Guess what? The Yankees are still a .500 team and Clemens has a losing record. He got lit up Friday night by a ballclub whose total player payroll is less than Clemens' salary.
A lot has happened in 25 months. All the people who listened to nothing but CBS-FM have died or moved on. Also, New York City has become majority brown/black, which means those people will find their own radio stations to listen to.
Now that CBS-FM is back with its old format for the most part, everybody is bowing and scraping like a debutante at a charity ball. Stuff like that is sickening.
CBS-FM isn't bigger and better than ever. They've become like Roger Clemens. When word got out that the Yankees were bringing him back everyone was saying the Yankees are gonna be winners again. Guess what? The Yankees are still a .500 team and Clemens has a losing record. He got lit up Friday night by a ballclub whose total player payroll is less than Clemens' salary.
A lot has happened in 25 months. All the people who listened to nothing but CBS-FM have died or moved on. Also, New York City has become majority brown/black, which means those people will find their own radio stations to listen to.
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chuckydoll said:
And meanwhile, the "white middle" that remains is increasingly the sort that's indisposed to commercial radio; they're the quickest adapters to a post-AM/FM environment, and they certainly don't fit the "silent majority" profile a lot of whitey radio seems geared toward.
Indeed, today's white middle would rather think of present-day NYC as "diverse" than "majority brown/black"; diversity is something to embrace and be a part of, "majority brown/black" is something to fear and flee from...
chuckydoll said:
That is just not so.
The market is about 39% Black and Hispanic. But in 35+, the percentage is lower, more like 30% due to the younger average age of Hispanics and Blacks.
Further, Hispanics in that age group of 35+ are very strong users of oldies / classic hits.
And demographic changes take place over decades, not in 25 months.
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