"Internet radio reaches a crescendo" - watch out HD Radio !

[SayNoToIBOC]

From:

"Internet radio reaches a crescendo"

http://news.com.com/Internet+radio+reaches+a+crescendo/2100-1026_3-6113661.html?tag=st.num

"As time goes on, everyone is going to have Internet radio," said Roku head Anthony Wood, 40, who invented the digital video recorder at TiVo competitor ReplayTV and started Roku four years ago with $9 million of his own money. It's a huge market but for some reason it is underrecognized."

"According to a survey by Arbitron and Edison Media Research of 1,925 people earlier this year, more than one in five Americans over the age of 12 listen to Internet radio monthly."

 

[SayNoToSayNoToIBOC]

From:

"Internet radio reaches a crescendo"

http://news.com.com/Internet+radio+reaches+a+crescendo/2100-1026_3-6113661.html?tag=st.num

"As time goes on, everyone is going to have Internet radio," said Roku head Anthony Wood, 40, who invented the digital video recorder at TiVo competitor ReplayTV and started Roku four years ago with $9 million of his own money. It's a huge market but for some reason it is underrecognized."

"According to a survey by Arbitron and Edison Media Research of 1,925 people earlier this year, more than one in five Americans over the age of 12 listen to Internet radio monthly."

For those that dont haev lives and are attahced to their computers, this is great news. But unlike those, I do haev a life and actually have been seen in public therefore I need a radio to listen to the stations I like.

 

[vsa]

Since you've spoken of Roku's Anthony Wood...

I took advantage of Roku's special $50 discount offer last week (ended 9/9/06) and ordered a SoundBridge 1000 (1001) Network Music Player for $150. It comes with wired and Wi-Fi networking built-in.

Using its 18 programmable pre-sets, I've been listening to numerous streaming terrestrial AM and FM stations, online HD-2 stations, and I've also been able to listen to XM Radio streamed channels (inserting my user/password into a special link) and, of course, my choice of thousands of Internet-only radio stations. So now it's easy to listen at home or at work on a single device that is away from any computer. Using the remote control, each station buffers and starts playing within 5 seconds or less.

I can't help thinking, why would I possibly need a tabletop HD radio? I suppose, only if I lived near a desired and very special HD Radio transmitter and I could not get broadband access for some reason. Even so, that situation will become extinct fairly soon.  

It really was a tough choice between the SoundBridge and the Squeezebox by Slim Devices, although there are more and more competing products out there. I live and breathe radio, and I can't think of a single reason to buy a very limited HD Radio.  

 

[IBOCRocks]

Since you've spoken of Roku's Anthony Wood...

I took advantage of Roku's special $50 discount offer last week (ended 9/9/06) and ordered a SoundBridge 1000 (1001) Network Music Player for $150. It comes with wired and Wi-Fi networking built-in.

Using its 18 programmable pre-sets, I've been listening to numerous streaming terrestrial AM and FM stations, online HD-2 stations, and I've also been able to listen to XM Radio streamed channels (inserting my user/password into a special link) and, of course, my choice of thousands of Internet-only radio stations. So now it's easy to listen at home or at work on a single device that is away from any computer. Using the remote control, each station buffers and starts playing within 5 seconds or less.

I can't help thinking, why would I possibly need a tabletop HD radio? I suppose, only if I lived near a desired and very special HD Radio transmitter and I could not get broadband access for some reason. Even so, that situation will become extinct fairly soon.

It really was a tough choice between the SoundBridge and the Squeezebox by Slim Devices, although there are more and more competing products out there. I live and breathe radio, and I can't think of a single reason to buy a very limited HD Radio.

Wow...I like the unbiased adjectives there. "very special HD Radio transmitter"..."very limited HD radio"...

Nice.

 

[vsa]

Are you at all capable of forming an argument or making a rational case for your pro-HD Radio views. About all I see from you here is taunting and snide comments.

Please grow up!

 

[IBOCRocks]

Are you at all capable of forming an arguement or making a rational case for your views. About all I see from you here is taunting and snide comments.

Please grow up!

Yeah, whatever. When you are ready to actually discuss HD Radio, I'm here. You posted a review of an internet radio, which has nothing to do with HD.

This entire post has nothing to do with HD. SayLies just thinks that this will "kill IBOC", but he lies.

Through your desperation, you are admitting defeat.

 

[vsa]

It has everything to do with HD Radio. Why do I need a tabletop HD Radio if I already have broadband? I get so much more, without any reception problems and without the need to be near a computer, for half the price of a BA Receptor.

The point you are missing entirely is that HD Radio has already been eclipsed by other methods that deliver "radio". HD-R is a dinosaur.

 

[IBOCRocks]

It has everything to do with HD Radio. Why do I need a tabletop HD Radio if I already have broadband? I get so much more, without any reception problems and without the need to be near a computer, for half the price of a BA Receptor.

The point you are missing entirely is that HD Radio has already been eclipsed by other methods that deliver "radio". HD-R is a dinosaur.

I am not missing the point. Analog radio eclipses internet radio, and will for some time. HD Radio is the next progression. There will be a time when, just like with stereo in the 70's, radio will just come with it. HD radio will be what analog radio is now. That's the point you're missing. Just as iPods didn't replace analog radio, internet radio will not replace HD. They are complimentary, not competitive.

 

[vsa]

Yes you are missing the point.

You are assuming an awful lot. This time around there is no federal mandate requiring HD Radio to be included in all or any radios, as was the case earlier with FM. This time around there is also a better way of distributing "radio". Old and new will coexist for some time, but we already see the signs of traditional radio in decline.

Analog radio moving to HD Radio is like analog cassettes moving to Philips Digital Compact Cassettes (DCC) in the 1990s. Remember those? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Compact_Cassette
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jacg/philips/dcc.html

HD Radio = dinosaur

 

[IBOCRocks]

Yes you are missing the point.

You are assuming an awful lot. This time around there is no federal mandate requiring HD Radio to be included in all or any radios, as was the case earlier with FM. This time around there is also a better way of distributing "radio". Old and new will coexist for some time, but we already see the signs of traditional radio in decline.

Analog radio moving to HD Radio is like analog cassettes moving to Philips Digital Compact Cassettes (DCC) in the 1990s. Remember those?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Compact_Cassette
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jacg/philips/dcc.html

HD Radio = dinosaur

You omitted a very important fact. The above is your opinion. It does not make it true. That's the big problem with the anti-IBOC crowd, they like to state these things as if they're fact. Analog cassettes were never destined to move to DCC, because all of the people involved didn't agree on the format (just like AM Stereo). Fortunately there is a governing body that will determine the standard, therefore allowing a greater adoption rate.

 

[zumahans]

And no federal requirement whatsoever that new AM/FM radios have HD capability.

No federal law requiring analog stations to sign off after a conversion period.

No guarantee that HD radio, which is voluntary on the part of broadcasters and requires royalty payments, will not go the way of Kahn AM stereo, leaving people high and dry with expensive, worthless tuners.

Fact. Fact. Fact.

 

[IBOCRocks]

And no federal requirement whatsoever that new AM/FM radios have HD capability.

No federal law requiring analog stations to sign off after a conversion period.

No guarantee that HD radio, which is voluntary on the part of broadcasters and requires royalty payments, will not go the way of Kahn AM stereo, leaving people high and dry with expensive, worthless tuners.

Fact. Fact. Fact.

And no guarantee that it ultimately fail. That's the one thing y'all ignore.

Fact. Fact. Fact.

 

[zumahans]

--- And no guarantee that it ultimately fail. That's the one thing y'all ignore.

We are in 100 percent agreement, then, HD radio has no guarantees, and is in fact a crapshoot.

 

[IBOCRocks]

--- And no guarantee that it ultimately fail. That's the one thing y'all ignore.

We are in 100 percent agreement, then, HD radio has no guarantees, and is in fact a crapshoot.

Yes, we are. Unfortunately, we may be the only ones who feel that way, which is my original point. Way too many people come here and talk about the death of HD as it's a forgone conclusion.

 

[zumahans]

----> Way too many people come here and talk about the death of HD as it's a forgone conclusion.


True, and it therefore is also true that way too many people come here and blindly attest that "IBOC Rocks!"

 

[IBOCRocks]

----> Way too many people come here and talk about the death of HD as it's a forgone conclusion.


True, and it therefore is also true that way too many people come here and blindly attest that "IBOC Rocks!"

If you actually look at my posts, you'll see that I am not all about IBOC. In fact just today I was talking about how I'm not sold on AM IBOC. It's not IBOC that I'm a fan of, it's the potential for digital terrestrial radio that I'm excited about. IBOCRocks is simply to tweak people like SayNo who seems to make it his life's mission to spread FUD, yet can't really explain why.

I have no problem with people who don't like IBOC. I do have a problem with people who don't really know the technology coming around making blanket statements about IBOC and the people behind it, based only on what they've heard from other people. SayNo doesn't know anything about the technology other than what he's read on blogs. Heck - he's never even listened to HD and he's proclaimed it dead.

 

[zumahans]

---->If you actually look at my posts, you'll see that I am not all about IBOC.

You seem reasonable, but I think your posts are a bit rabid. Not that I have any moral high groundhere, as Davey Eduardo will attest.

---->In fact just today I was talking about how I'm not sold on AM IBOC. It's not IBOC that I'm a fan of, it's the potential for digital terrestrial radio that I'm excited about. IBOCRocks is simply to tweak people like SayNo who seems to make it his life's mission to spread FUD, yet can't really explain why.

Well, I think he's entitled to not have to explain why he does anything, so are you and I.

----->I have no problem with people who don't like IBOC. I do have a problem with people who don't really know the technology coming around making blanket statements about IBOC and the people behind it, based only on what they've heard from other people.

Well, Radio World, B+C and other trade papers are full of factual articles about the myriad of problems that IBOC causes, faces, and is defeated by.

Any objective look at the issue finds it fraught with peril. And promise, to be sure.

 

[IBOCRocks]

---->If you actually look at my posts, you'll see that I am not all about IBOC.

You seem reasonable, but I think your posts are a bit rabid. Not that I have any moral high groundhere, as Davey Eduardo will attest.

---->In fact just today I was talking about how I'm not sold on AM IBOC. It's not IBOC that I'm a fan of, it's the potential for digital terrestrial radio that I'm excited about. IBOCRocks is simply to tweak people like SayNo who seems to make it his life's mission to spread FUD, yet can't really explain why.

Well, I think he's entitled to not have to explain why he does anything, so are you and I.

----->I have no problem with people who don't like IBOC. I do have a problem with people who don't really know the technology coming around making blanket statements about IBOC and the people behind it, based only on what they've heard from other people.

Well, Radio World, B+C and other trade papers are full of factual articles about the myriad of problems that IBOC causes, faces, and is defeated by.

Any objective look at the issue finds it fraught with peril. And promise, to be sure.

I can be rabid, for sure...probably much more than I should be. On the other hand, I do enjoy sparring, it's just that I often allow myself to be drawn over the line.

While he's entitled to not have to explain why, he should then be prepared to be challenged. Folks like SayNo believe that they can say just about anything, and not have to be questioned or challenged about their assertions. I can be a jerk, but I don't feel that someone should post something inflammatory and then get upset when they get challenged.

Does IBOC have problems? Sure. Are they insurmountable? My educated opinion is no. Time will tell however. Keep in mind that a good part of the articles in RW and others are slanted from to the writers point of view, and any results will be skewed that way. I welcome a truly independent testing of the technology.

Really, the bottom line is that on the internet it's way to easy to be a jerk. Don't believe half of what you read, and independently verify the other half!

 

[davideduardo]

And no federal requirement whatsoever that new AM/FM radios have HD capability.

No federal law requiring analog stations to sign off after a conversion period.

No guarantee that HD radio, which is voluntary on the part of broadcasters and requires royalty payments, will not go the way of Kahn AM stereo, leaving people high and dry with expensive, worthless tuners.

Fact. Fact. Fact.

The royalty is extremely low.

There was no federal requirement to convert to FM stereo... so less than 100 did so in the first 3 years. In the roughly 2 years that non-experimental HD gear has been available, over 1000 stations have converted, and 1000 more are signed and awaiting equipment delivery.

There is no conversion period envisioned so far, because the system is analog compatible, just as FM stereo is compatible with FM analog.

There was never a government requirement that radios have both AM and FM. In fact, the iPod radio attachment is FM only.

What's your point?

 

[zumahans]

My goodness, a little troll is following me. Fair enough, Davey, make an ass out of yourself all over again, to a whole new audience.

---->The royalty is extremely low.

Not as low as what you pay board operators, but still a cost that can be eliminated down the road.

---->here was no federal requirement to convert to FM stereo... so less than 100 did so in the first 3 years. In the roughly 2 years that non-experimental HD gear has been available, over 1000 stations have converted, and 1000 more are signed and awaiting equipment delivery.

Uh huh, and just what rating does HD get right now?

------>There is no conversion period envisioned so far, because the system is analog compatible, just as FM stereo is compatible with FM analog.

My point exactly, there is no compulsory reason to buy one. Why should I replace my radio with a new one, just to get the same programs with 18 minuites of spots an hour? No, thanks.

-------->There was never a government requirement that radios have both AM and FM.

Never said there was. But there was a 25 year period when you couldn't give FM stations away.

And look at TV, where it took UHF several decades to match VHF in acceptance even after UHF tuners were mandated by the FCC.

----->In fact, the iPod radio attachment is FM only.

Really? And is 50 percent of iPod listening mono only, like you say FM listening is?

----->What's your point?

My point was to find a common ground with IBOCRules, which we did. Too bad it was too obvious for you to follow, Davey Boy.

You know, people here on this board may be interested in your comments over in LA that 50 percent of all FM radio listening is in mono, because the radio sets are all at one side of the room.

I'm curious:

If that is so, which side of the room? Left or right?