"Internet radio reaches a crescendo" - watch out HD Radio !

[davideduardo]

My goodness, a little troll is following me. Fair enough, Davey, make an ass out of yourself all over again, to a whole new audience.

---->The royalty is extremely low.

Not as low as what you pay board operators, but still a cost that can be eliminated down the road.

Whaterver are you talking about? The only board operators we have in LA are for the morning shows because the ensembles are relatively large. KSCA has about 12 people on the morning team, while KLVE has 5 and KRCD has 6 and KTNQ has 4. All live. And the board operators make pretty good money, as they are part boardops and part producers or talent coordinators.

The HD fee is lower than any of those salaries.

---->here was no federal requirement to convert to FM stereo... so less than 100 did so in the first 3 years. In the roughly 2 years that non-experimental HD gear has been available, over 1000 stations have converted, and 1000 more are signed and awaiting equipment delivery.

Uh huh, and just what rating does HD get right now?

HD is not separately reported, as most of the HD operations on FM and all the ones on AM are simply digital versions of the analog content.

Since Arbitron and the Industry Advisory Panel have not determined how to report HD2 channels, and there are so few receivers out there at present, that has yet to be resolved. This may require a significant change in Arbitron methodology in the diary, so it may all wait for the PPM rollout instead, as the Analog and HD1 channel will have one code, and the HD2 another, making it very easy for Arbitron via the PPM.

------>There is no conversion period envisioned so far, because the system is analog compatible, just as FM stereo is compatible with FM analog.

My point exactly, there is no compulsory reason to buy one. Why should I replace my radio with a new one, just to get the same programs with 18 minuites of spots an hour? No, thanks.

1. It sounds better.
2. It will eventually double the number of FM channels available in the larger markets.

-------->There was never a government requirement that radios have both AM and FM.

Never said there was. But there was a 25 year period when you couldn't give FM stations away.

Yeah, Sarnoff did his best to kill it, even getting it changed from the 40 mHz band to 88-108. Yet, before the FCC mandated the end to simulcasting, a number of broadcasters had managed to find ways to make some FMs very nicely profitable.

What is your point?

And look at TV, where it took UHF several decades to match VHF in acceptance even after UHF tuners were mandated by the FCC.

UHF did not achieve any sort of parity until cable must-carry rules were passed, except in the UHF only markets where there was no choice.

----->In fact, the iPod radio attachment is FM only.

Really? And is 50 percent of iPod listening mono only, like you say FM listening is?

I do not "say." This has been measured over and over again, and reported in multiple occasions. A majority of FM listening is in mono.

By thinking it is not, you show your distance and removal from broadcasting.

----->What's your point?

My point was to find a common ground with IBOCRules, which we did. Too bad it was too obvious for you to follow, Davey Boy.

Half the time now you are making no sense.

You know, people here on this board may be interested in your comments over in LA that 50 percent of all FM radio listening is in mono, because the radio sets are all at one side of the room.

I'm curious:

If that is so, which side of the room? Left or right?

Whatever obfuscation and silly prattle you post, the fact is that in home and at work listening is mostly in mono.

 

[zumahans]

---->HD is not separately reported, as most of the HD operations on FM and all the ones on AM are simply digital versions of the analog content. Since Arbitron and the Industry Advisory Panel have not determined how to report HD2 channels, and there are so few (working) receivers out there at present, that has yet to be resolved.

On other words, equal to a 0.000 rating.

------>1. It sounds better.
2. It will eventually double the number of FM channels available in the larger markets.

HDTV has proved that people do not notice the improvement. Most HD viewers are quite happy watching compressed, squashed SD TV on their sets, with mono sound.


----->Yeah, Sarnoff did his best to kill it, even getting it changed from the 40 mHz band to 88-108. Yet, before the FCC mandated the end to simulcasting, a number of broadcasters had managed to find ways to make some FMs very nicely profitable.

Not the point, David, we were talking about number of listeners , not profitability.

The fact of the matter which you did not address is it took 30 years for FM radio (after it moved up to 88-108, post-Sarnoff) to gain parity with AM.

Repeat: 30 years for the last new free-to-air radio band to gain popularity. Similar things happened to UHF, even with federally-mandated tuners. And UHF TV only gained partial parity once CATV took off.

----->UHF did not achieve any sort of parity until cable must-carry rules were passed, except in the UHF only markets where there was no choice.

Exactly.

----->I do not "say."

Yes, I know, you more "lecture" than say.

---->A majority of FM listening is in mono.

Since the human head has two ears, and abiout 99.7 percent has hearing in both ears, I wouyld daresay that 100 percent of all listening is in stereo.

------->By thinking it is not, you show your distance and removal from broadcasting.

I'm only a web page away, David, and you are not going to forget that!

------>Half the time now you are making no sense.

No, to someone as screwed up as you, all the time I am making no sense.

----->Whatever obfuscation and silly prattle you post,

.... jeez, Davey, no need to insult me just because I repost your quotes.....

----->the fact is that in home and at work listening is mostly in mono.

We'll just see how well that turd floats.

 

[PLL]

Quoting IBOCRocks: "I am not missing the point. Analog radio eclipses internet radio, and will for some time. HD Radio is the next progression. There will be a time when, just like with stereo in the 70's, radio will just come with it. HD radio will be what analog radio is now. That's the point you're missing. Just as iPods didn't replace analog radio, internet radio will not replace HD. They are complimentary, not competitive."

The Bridge Ratings have Wireless Internet and Internet Radio killing HD Radio (Internet Radio and HD Radio are direct competitors); analog radio may eclipse Internet Radio, but only a VERY small fraction of analog is projected to include HD Radio. With iBiquity reaching the make-or-break point and with iBiquity's proposal (which included J. P. Morgan's report that HD Radio would not generate revenue) to the FCC to increase station ownership, which was rejected, the outlook for iBiquity/HD Radio is bleak.

 

[PLL]

"Internet Radio Advertising to Increase Tenfold by 2009"

http://www.clickz.com/showPage.html?page=3443101

"While that percentage indicates an online advertising channel only in its infancy, consistent growth in audience over the next five years is bound to 'significantly' erode traditional broadcasters' ad revenues, said Gordon Borrell, president and chief executive of the Portsmouth, Virginia-based company."

 

[IBOCRocks]

Quoting IBOCRocks: "I am not missing the point. Analog radio eclipses internet radio, and will for some time. HD Radio is the next progression. There will be a time when, just like with stereo in the 70's, radio will just come with it. HD radio will be what analog radio is now. That's the point you're missing. Just as iPods didn't replace analog radio, internet radio will not replace HD. They are complimentary, not competitive."

The Bridge Ratings have Wireless Internet and Internet Radio killing HD Radio (Internet Radio and HD Radio are direct competitors); analog radio may eclipse Internet Radio, but only a VERY small fraction of analog is projected to include HD Radio. With iBiquity reaching the make-or-break point and with iBiquity's proposal (which included J. P. Morgan's report that HD Radio would not generate revenue) to the FCC to increase station ownership, which was rejected, the outlook for iBiquity/HD Radio is bleak.

Wrong. I see HD Radio in the bridge ratings well into the future. There are a lot more streaming listeners, but that isn't the same as HD Radio "getting killed".

 

[PLL]

Quoting IBOCRocks: "Wrong. I see HD Radio in the bridge ratings well into the future. There are a lot more streaming listeners, but that isn't the same as HD Radio "getting killed"."

I do - Wimax will polish it off.

 

[IBOCRocks]

Quoting IBOCRocks: "Wrong. I see HD Radio in the bridge ratings well into the future. There are a lot more streaming listeners, but that isn't the same as HD Radio "getting killed"."

I do.

You do what?

You quoted Bridge ratiings. There are HD Radio ratings in there. At what point does HD Radio "disappear" from those ratings, therefore being "killed"?

Hint: That point doesn't exist.

 

[zumahans]

Hey, david, I notice you were on the board this morning and neglected to answer these points.

I can only take it that you concede my points and have retired to your fort with a plate of nachos and a 6-pack.


---->HD is not separately reported, as most of the HD operations on FM and all the ones on AM are simply digital versions of the analog content. Since Arbitron and the Industry Advisory Panel have not determined how to report HD2 channels, and there are so few (working) receivers out there at present, that has yet to be resolved.

On other words, equal to a 0.000 rating.

------>1. It sounds better.
2. It will eventually double the number of FM channels available in the larger markets.

HDTV has proved that people do not notice the improvement. Most HD viewers are quite happy watching compressed, squashed SD TV on their sets, with mono sound.


----->Yeah, Sarnoff did his best to kill it, even getting it changed from the 40 mHz band to 88-108. Yet, before the FCC mandated the end to simulcasting, a number of broadcasters had managed to find ways to make some FMs very nicely profitable.

Not the point, David, we were talking about number of listeners , not profitability.

The fact of the matter which you did not address is it took 30 years for FM radio (after it moved up to 88-108, post-Sarnoff) to gain parity with AM.

Repeat: 30 years for the last new free-to-air radio band to gain popularity. Similar things happened to UHF, even with federally-mandated tuners. And UHF TV only gained partial parity once CATV took off.

----->UHF did not achieve any sort of parity until cable must-carry rules were passed, except in the UHF only markets where there was no choice.

Exactly.

----->I do not "say."

Yes, I know, you more "lecture" than say.

---->A majority of FM listening is in mono.

Since the human head has two ears, and abiout 99.7 percent has hearing in both ears, I wouyld daresay that 100 percent of all listening is in stereo.

------->By thinking it is not, you show your distance and removal from broadcasting.

I'm only a web page away, David, and you are not going to forget that!

------>Half the time now you are making no sense.

No, to someone as screwed up as you, all the time I am making no sense.

----->Whatever obfuscation and silly prattle you post,

.... jeez, Davey, no need to insult me just because I repost your quotes.....

----->the fact is that in home and at work listening is mostly in mono.

We'll just see how well that turd floats.

 

[IBOCRocks]

Quoting IBOCRocks: "Wrong. I see HD Radio in the bridge ratings well into the future. There are a lot more streaming listeners, but that isn't the same as HD Radio "getting killed"."

I do - Wimax will polish it off.

I was right - you are SayNoToIBOC using a different name! Welcome back!

(You even edit your posts the same way!)

 

[SUPERCASTER]

From:

"Internet radio reaches a crescendo"

http://news.com.com/Internet+radio+reaches+a+crescendo/2100-1026_3-6113661.html?tag=st.num

"As time goes on, everyone is going to have Internet radio," said Roku head Anthony Wood, 40, who invented the digital video recorder at TiVo competitor ReplayTV and started Roku four years ago with $9 million of his own money. It's a huge market but for some reason it is underrecognized."

"According to a survey by Arbitron and Edison Media Research of 1,925 people earlier this year, more than one in five Americans over the age of 12 listen to Internet radio monthly."

For those that dont haev lives and are attahced to their computers, this is great news. But unlike those, I do haev a life and actually have been seen in public therefore I need a radio to listen to the stations I like.

So, the people on this board don't have lives because they are attached to their computers? ??? :
How do you manage to walk around in public listening to your Boston Acoustics HD Receptor complete with 2 external antennas in proper orientation?
Perhaps you are listening to your favorite HD stations on your Kenwood or JVC HD pocket radios?

 

[IBOCRocks]

From:

"Internet radio reaches a crescendo"

http://news.com.com/Internet+radio+reaches+a+crescendo/2100-1026_3-6113661.html?tag=st.num

"As time goes on, everyone is going to have Internet radio," said Roku head Anthony Wood, 40, who invented the digital video recorder at TiVo competitor ReplayTV and started Roku four years ago with $9 million of his own money. It's a huge market but for some reason it is underrecognized."

"According to a survey by Arbitron and Edison Media Research of 1,925 people earlier this year, more than one in five Americans over the age of 12 listen to Internet radio monthly."

For those that dont haev lives and are attahced to their computers, this is great news. But unlike those, I do haev a life and actually have been seen in public therefore I need a radio to listen to the stations I like.

So, the people on this board don't have lives because they are attached to their computers? ??? :
How do you manage to walk around in public listening to your Boston Acoustics HD Receptor complete with 2 external antennas in proper orientation?
Perhaps you are listening to your favorite HD stations on your Kenwood or JVC HD pocket radios?

No, I'm using my pocket internet streaming radio!

 

[SUPERCASTER]

From:

"Internet radio reaches a crescendo"

http://news.com.com/Internet+radio+reaches+a+crescendo/2100-1026_3-6113661.html?tag=st.num

"As time goes on, everyone is going to have Internet radio," said Roku head Anthony Wood, 40, who invented the digital video recorder at TiVo competitor ReplayTV and started Roku four years ago with $9 million of his own money. It's a huge market but for some reason it is underrecognized."

"According to a survey by Arbitron and Edison Media Research of 1,925 people earlier this year, more than one in five Americans over the age of 12 listen to Internet radio monthly."

For those that dont haev lives and are attahced to their computers, this is great news. But unlike those, I do haev a life and actually have been seen in public therefore I need a radio to listen to the stations I like.

So, the people on this board don't have lives because they are attached to their computers? ??? :
How do you manage to walk around in public listening to your Boston Acoustics HD Receptor complete with 2 external antennas in proper orientation?
Perhaps you are listening to your favorite HD stations on your Kenwood or JVC HD pocket radios?

No, I'm using my pocket internet streaming radio!

Like this one? ;D
http://www.torianwireless.com/
http://www.torian.com.au/

20,000 stations, WOW!
http://wifiradio.com/2.0/index.html

 

[vsa]

IBOCROCKS WROTE: "I'm using my pocket internet streaming radio!"

Welcome to the future! On-the-go, I use a Verizon XV6700 with EV-DO wireless broadband and Wi-Fi capability. Its audio quality is excellent. I get flawless EV-DO reception in and around Los Angeles, even inside parking garages. What model are you using?

 

[zumahans]

---->No, I'm using my pocket internet streaming radio!

Really? Me too. The computer I sit at is feeding streaming audio right into my ears. Amazing. I don't have to listen to any commercials anymore, and I can find any format I want. Right now, I am listening to a noncommercial, AAA/new age/americana station from Durango Colorado, KSUT. Runs from Lucinda Williams and Steve Earle to the North Mississippi Allstars.

Isn't it great that I can pick and choose from thousands of great stations?

Oh, and if I want to listen to it on the big stereo, my $49 Apple Express WiFi base station has a line out jack, and I can listen to it there.

I hooked up a CC Crane FM modulator, and I can listen to WiFi in FM stereo (with both ears, DE) on my shower radio, back at the hammock, or on the clock radio by my bed.

I can also feed the XM or Sirius (off DISH TV) into the modulators. I have two of them, and can switch back and forth between my little networks with my shirtpocket FM radio while out in the garden, or sitting in the hottub. Or out front, when I am polishing the sailboat, I can use the boat radio to hear streaming audio from the house.

The next door neighbor lady says she admires my music choices on 88.7 (WiFi) better than 89.5 (Sirius/XM) because I usually listen to Cross Country or Outlaw Country off the satellites, something she doesn't care for.

Like you, I highly recommend pocket PC listening.

 

[zumahans]

IBOCROCKS WROTE: "I'm using my pocket internet streaming radio!"

Welcome to the future! On-the-go, I use a Verizon XV6700 with EV-DO wireless broadband and Wi-Fi capability. Its audio quality is excellent. I get flawless reception in and around Los Angeles, even inside parking garages. What model are you using?

That is so cool, I cannot wait to get that too.

 

[IBOCRocks]

IBOCROCKS WROTE: "I'm using my pocket internet streaming radio!"

Welcome to the future! On-the-go, I use a Verizon XV6700 with EV-DO wireless broadband and Wi-Fi capability. Its audio quality is excellent. I get flawless EV-DO reception in and around Los Angeles, even inside parking garages. What model are you using?

See, I don't want to violate Verizon's terms of service for EVDO, which has gotten people kicked off of their service:

----

NationalAccess and BroadbandAccess data sessions may be used with wireless devices for the following purposes:
(i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force and field service automation).

Unlimited NationalAccess/BroadbandAccess services cannot be used (1) for uploading, downloading or streaming of movies, music or games, (2) with server devices or with host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, Voice over IP (VoIP), automated machine-to-machine connections, or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing, or (3) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections.

----

So, yeah, pay all that extra money a month, then risk losing your cell phone account.

Bzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer, my friend. But extra points for the attempted snarkyness!

 

[IBOCRocks]

---->No, I'm using my pocket internet streaming radio!

Really? Me too. The computer I sit at is feeding streaming audio right into my ears. Amazing. I don't have to listen to any commercials anymore, and I can find any format I want. Right now, I am listening to a noncommercial, AAA/new age/americana station from Durango Colorado, KSUT. Runs from Lucinda Williams and Steve Earle to the North Mississippi Allstars.

Isn't it great that I can pick and choose from thousands of great stations?

Oh, and if I want to listen to it on the big stereo, my $49 Apple Express WiFi base station has a line out jack, and I can listen to it there.

I hooked up a CC Crane FM modulator, and I can listen to WiFi in FM stereo (with both ears, DE) on my shower radio, back at the hammock, or on the clock radio by my bed.

I can also feed the XM or Sirius (off DISH TV) into the modulators. I have two of them, and can switch back and forth between my little networks with my shirtpocket FM radio while out in the garden, or sitting in the hottub. Or out front, when I am polishing the sailboat, I can use the boat radio to hear streaming audio from the house.

The next door neighbor lady says she admires my music choices on 88.7 (WiFi) better than 89.5 (Sirius/XM) because I usually listen to Cross Country or Outlaw Country off the satellites, something she doesn't care for.

Like you, I highly recommend pocket PC listening.

And when your not 30 feet from your house, all those gadgets are great, right?

 

[zumahans]

----->And when your not 30 feet from your house, all those gadgets are great, right?

Actually, yes, the computer can store as much music as I want, and the XM in the car works everywhere. I haven't bought an Ipod, as it is too passive for me, call me old fashioned, but I want someone else to program my music.

 

[IBOCRocks]

----->And when your not 30 feet from your house, all those gadgets are great, right?

Actually, yes, the computer can store as much music as I want, and the XM in the car works everywhere. I haven't bought an Ipod, as it is too passive for me, call me old fashioned, but I want someone else to program my music.

Except we were talking about pocket radios.

 

[zumahans]

Me too, an XM pocket radio. I gave that one to my kid and she's at college, now, tho...

Say, what do you think of my pocket radio network aroud the house, though? Since I work here and spend almost all day here, it really is cool, huh?

Boy, enough people start setting up these babies, and those corporate radio chains are going to blow away like dust, employing far fewer engineers.

Oh.

Sorry.