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Is the Animals' "C.C. Rider" too much of a Burdon for the oldies stations?

Re: hits now

> > These guys do double talk. First of all they say it is
> > sales, then a million SELLING record is NOT cool. Next
> > thing they are going to argue about is the definition of
> > "cool".
>
> The song was never cool. Many hit songs are not cool. Do you
> think Barry Manilow songs and Carpenters songs were
> perceived as hip and cool? Nope. They were popular, but not
> cutting edge and cool. That's all.
>
> And the song was basically a novelty song, a hit for a
> minute in time, and then a stiff for 4 decades. This proves
> it was never cool, as no one wants to hear it any more.

Yes, but it was "cool" for a short time and the original point was if it was ever cool. For a little while, but you and OC are right, that it isn't cool now. The hits discussion has been discussed before, but it is still interesting to talk about.
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Re: All tastes

> > Lousy analogy. And, no- Harper Valley PTA wasn't cool
> much
> > past tht time it was a current.
> >
> >
>
> Was it cool even then? I'd usually change the station when
> that one came on. Those were the days when stations tried
> to play something for everyone...Frank Sinatra back to back
> with Deep Purple, followed by 1910 Fruitgum Co.

Very true of the first 15 to 18 years or Top 40, through about 1970 or so.

This is an excellent observation. Anyone woh listend "back then" realizes that we had to listen to about 1 song in 3 that we disliked to hear the two we did like. There was MOR, hard rock, bubblegum, ballads, even country cross overs that were all part of top 40. Some of it sucked for each different listener.
>
 
Re: hits now

Then again, if WLNG does have 10,000 songs in equal rotation, they can't play them more than once a year. It does appear that WLNG plays everything that was round and didn't have pepperoni on it.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: All tastes

I remember Perry Como with It's Impossible and For The Good Times by Ray Price on Top 40 in December, 1970. I had to hear those before I could hear DOA by Bloodrock.

In the summer of 1971, there was some Beethoven Symphony by some guy named Wolfgang on some top 40 stations.

And who can forget the summer of 1970 with Miguel Rios doing another hit from the Beethoven collection called A Song Of Joy? I had to listen to that before I could hear Go Back by Crabby Appleton or Are You Ready? by Pacific Gas And Electric. Also Ride Captain Ride by Blues Image was playing that summer.




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>
> This is an excellent observation. Anyone woh listend "back
> then" realizes that we had to listen to about 1 song in 3
> that we disliked to hear the two we did like. There was MOR,
> hard rock, bubblegum, ballads, even country cross overs that
> were all part of top 40. Some of it sucked for each
> different listener.
> >
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Re: hits now

I also remember that Little Green Apples by O. C. Smith was played around that time.

> Yes, but it was "cool" for a short time and the original
> point was if it was ever cool. For a little while, but you
> and OC are right, that it isn't cool now. The hits
> discussion has been discussed before, but it is still
> interesting to talk about.
> >
>
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Re: hits now

No, they are not in equal rotation. I do not know how they decide what will play and when, but I assume that there are a certain limited number of songs an hour that they play that are lesser played or you guys would label, "oh wow!"

For equal rotation, the place to go is superoldies.com.


> Then again, if WLNG does have 10,000 songs in equal
> rotation, they can't play them more than once a year. It
> does appear that WLNG plays everything that was round and
> didn't have pepperoni on it.
>
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Re: hits now

> > [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> > anymore?]
> >
> > [It NEVER was cool.]
> >
> >
> > [EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.]
> >
>
>
> ["You Light Up My Life" was I believe the biggest-selling
> single of all time. Is there anyone who still liked that
> song 6 months later?]



I'm sure that song is played in some format.......maybe AC? My point is that if a song made the Top 10, it should be played on terrestrial radio SOMEWHERE. But of course they can't do that with 300 song playlists.
 
Re: hits now

> [I was being funny in my post. (At times things get too
> serious here.) But seriously, for it to be #1 on the Hot
> 100, someone must have liked it. It may not have sold a
> million but it was #1.]



Actually, I was referring to a post by D.E. I like to rattle his cage once in awhile.
 
Re: hits now

I think one of the strangest songs which was a #13 was Battle Hymn Of The Republic from 1959 by The Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

One of these days, I may subscribe to Ricky The K's Solid Gold Time Machine. He will play any top 20 and that is included in his playlist.

Battle Hymn has not been played anywhere on a regular show in more than 40 years.




>
> I'm sure that song is played in some format.......maybe AC?
> My point is that if a song made the Top 10, it should be
> played on terrestrial radio SOMEWHERE. But of course they
> can't do that with 300 song playlists.
>
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Re: hits now

> I think that Harper Valley PTA is a special case because it
> was number one and is played absolutely never.

Maybe not on oldies. It does show up on occasion on classic country stations, which is fitting, since it's a country song.

There are few
> number one songs since 1964 that are never played today.
> Another would be Everbody Loves Somebody by Dean Martin but
> that is from 1964 and that year seems to be passe' now.

Surely MOYL and the remaining standards stations out there still play this one . . .

But no, neither song was considered all that cool then, I'm sure. Heck, Dino probably has more youth cachet now. They were adult music, and thus don't fit in to the standard oldies format at all.

The Animals' version of C. C. Rider(which I actually heard recently on WGAD-1350 in Gadsden, AL), OTOH, would fit, but has generally been eclipsed by Mitch Ryder's version. There aren't too many songs recorded by multiple artists where more than one version still gets airplay. "Hooked On A Feeling" and "Suspicious Minds" come to mind, but I can't think of any others.



>
> Jungle Fever was big in some markets and did not exist in
> others. It was a number three song on WQAM in Miami. I
> like to hear it once in a while. I have it on one of my
> K-tel albums.
>
> > > [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> > > anymore?]
> > >
> > > [It NEVER was cool.]
> > >
> > >
> > > EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
> > >
> > That's because there's only ONE David Eduardo Gleason. :>)
>
> >
> > Actually anyone can make that statement about just about
> ANY
> > song released in the 50's,60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. The
>
> > "cool" factor is in the ear of the beholder.
> >
> > BTW David E, what is your take on "Jungle Fever" the Top
> 10
> > million seller by The Chakachas?
> >
>
 
Re: hits now

> > Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> > anymore?
>
> It NEVER was cool.
>
Yes it was and you know it too!
 
Re: Programmers did not decide on 300 song lists.

>
>
> I'm sure that song is played in some format.......maybe AC?
> My point is that if a song made the Top 10, it should be
> played on terrestrial radio SOMEWHERE. But of course they
> can't do that with 300 song playlists.
>

You don't really think a bunch of programmers conspired to create thoday's playlist lengths, do you?

The lenggth of a list is determined by how many songs research with listeners shows can be played without pissing off some of the listeners to the point of having them go away or listen less.

In some markets, there may truly be only around 400 oldies that are playable today, and in others there may be more. In any case, no station plays any more than the finite number that pass the music testing procedure.

If 800 songs passed, I would play them... all of them. But in most formats, there are much fewer. In CHR derivitives, maybe 80 to 150. In AC, from 220 to 300, in Country, 350 to 450. Spanish country, maybe 220. And so on.
 
Re: hits now

> > > [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> > > anymore?]
> > >
> > > [It NEVER was cool.]
> > >
> > >
> > > [EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.]
>
> > >
> >
> >
> > ["You Light Up My Life" was I believe the biggest-selling
> > single of all time. Is there anyone who still liked that
> > song 6 months later?]
>
>
>
> I'm sure that song is played in some format.......maybe AC?

With the exception of Music Choice's 70s channel or some other satellite or Internet format, nope.

A few months after its peak, John Landecker on WLS was livid one night to see it on his recurrent list for his show. (Granted, he was in eternal fights with John Gehron over playlists, since he wanted to play hard rock and almost nothing but because that's what he thought his night audience wanted to hear, based on the personal appearance he'd do at high schools.) His response was to do "'You Light Up My Life' on the Installment Plan"--he played the first 30 seconds or so, played the next 30 seconds a half-hour later, and then, when he discovered that the show was almost ever, played the rest of it in one big gulp. You could tell listening to him that night that he was not happy to see that song on the list--and I had heard that if a Carpenters song appeared on his gold list he would write in big letters next to it "THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE."
 
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