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Is the Animals' "C.C. Rider" too much of a Burdon for the oldies stations?
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Re: hits now
> [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> anymore?]
>
> [It NEVER was cool.]
>
>
> EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
>
Fonz,
These guys do double talk. First of all they say it is sales, then a million SELLING record is NOT cool. Next thing they are going to argue about is the definition of "cool".
Enjoy 'RLL until it goes all post 63 music.
> [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> anymore?]
>
> [It NEVER was cool.]
>
>
> EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
>
Fonz,
These guys do double talk. First of all they say it is sales, then a million SELLING record is NOT cool. Next thing they are going to argue about is the definition of "cool".
Enjoy 'RLL until it goes all post 63 music.
Re: Charts
> > > #10 in 1966. That's a hit in my book. But Oldies radio
>
> > > didn't use charts. They played the same 300 songs.
> And
> > > Oldies radio is dead (but still very much alive on
> > > satellite).
> >
> > Yeah why don't Oldies stations use the charts? I have a
> > Whitburn book and there are some tunes that I haven't even
>
> > heard of ever.
> >
> > BTW: I have researched Top 40 station surveys and the
> same
> > goes for that. I find myself asking...what happened to
> > these records? I should be familiar with these?
> >
> > And what about the original Pop hit version of "CC Rider"
> by
> > Chuck Willis?
> >
>
>
> Charts don't mean much. They are inaccurate. Plus the songs
> may not test well now.
>
. . . and who tests songs? Let me guess--consultants?
> > > #10 in 1966. That's a hit in my book. But Oldies radio
>
> > > didn't use charts. They played the same 300 songs.
> And
> > > Oldies radio is dead (but still very much alive on
> > > satellite).
> >
> > Yeah why don't Oldies stations use the charts? I have a
> > Whitburn book and there are some tunes that I haven't even
>
> > heard of ever.
> >
> > BTW: I have researched Top 40 station surveys and the
> same
> > goes for that. I find myself asking...what happened to
> > these records? I should be familiar with these?
> >
> > And what about the original Pop hit version of "CC Rider"
> by
> > Chuck Willis?
> >
>
>
> Charts don't mean much. They are inaccurate. Plus the songs
> may not test well now.
>
. . . and who tests songs? Let me guess--consultants?
Re: Animals' "C.C. Rider"
> >
> > And it creates inflated listener numbers (ratings) that
> > won't be there next time, AFTER I've spent my advertising
> > dollars based on those numbers!
> >
>
> In other words, businesses and products should not
> advertise? Staitons do ongoing promotion to retain or grow
> audience. Just as Coke advertises a product everyone knows
> and has tried.
>
I didn't read anywhere in Fonz' post where he said stations shouldn't advertise. You better re-read his post. I believe he said, the #'s reflected would be INFLATED.
> >
> > And it creates inflated listener numbers (ratings) that
> > won't be there next time, AFTER I've spent my advertising
> > dollars based on those numbers!
> >
>
> In other words, businesses and products should not
> advertise? Staitons do ongoing promotion to retain or grow
> audience. Just as Coke advertises a product everyone knows
> and has tried.
>
I didn't read anywhere in Fonz' post where he said stations shouldn't advertise. You better re-read his post. I believe he said, the #'s reflected would be INFLATED.
Re: Animals'
> > > [And it creates inflated listener numbers (ratings) that
>
> > > won't be there next time, AFTER I've spent my
> advertising
> > > dollars based on those numbers!]
> > >
> >
> > [In other words, businesses and products should not
> > advertise? Staitons do ongoing promotion to retain or
> grow
> > audience. Just as Coke advertises a product everyone knows
>
> > and has tried.]
>
>
> Earlier in this thread you suggested that the Billboard
> charts could have been manipulated, and therefore couldn't
> be trusted. I'm simply saying that radio does the same
> thing with their audiences, for ratings purposes.
>
Fonz, You hit the nail right on the head.
> > > [And it creates inflated listener numbers (ratings) that
>
> > > won't be there next time, AFTER I've spent my
> advertising
> > > dollars based on those numbers!]
> > >
> >
> > [In other words, businesses and products should not
> > advertise? Staitons do ongoing promotion to retain or
> grow
> > audience. Just as Coke advertises a product everyone knows
>
> > and has tried.]
>
>
> Earlier in this thread you suggested that the Billboard
> charts could have been manipulated, and therefore couldn't
> be trusted. I'm simply saying that radio does the same
> thing with their audiences, for ratings purposes.
>
Fonz, You hit the nail right on the head.
O
OldiesCat
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hits NOW
That was THEN. Has nothing, nada, ZERO relevance to today's demand for the song.
>
> EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
>
That was THEN. Has nothing, nada, ZERO relevance to today's demand for the song.
>
> EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
hits now
Hey, double-talk THIS. I have NEVER said "it is sales". Disagree with me all you like, but please do not put words in my mouth.
> >
> Fonz,
> These guys do double talk. First of all they say it is
> sales, then a million SELLING record is NOT cool. Next
> thing they are going to argue about is the definition of
> "cool".
>
> Enjoy 'RLL until it goes all post 63 music.
>
Hey, double-talk THIS. I have NEVER said "it is sales". Disagree with me all you like, but please do not put words in my mouth.
> >
> Fonz,
> These guys do double talk. First of all they say it is
> sales, then a million SELLING record is NOT cool. Next
> thing they are going to argue about is the definition of
> "cool".
>
> Enjoy 'RLL until it goes all post 63 music.
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
testing songs
No, never. Radio stations buy and conduct music tests, consultants do not.
(BTW, just a tip for you: any successful and experienced Radio Pro who sees a post with "the consultants" and "the suits" mentioned in a typically sarcastic, smarmy manner instantly and correctly sees that poster as a radio hack or wannabee and your attempt at any credibility shrinks to near zero).
>...and who tests songs? Let me guess--consultants?
>
No, never. Radio stations buy and conduct music tests, consultants do not.
(BTW, just a tip for you: any successful and experienced Radio Pro who sees a post with "the consultants" and "the suits" mentioned in a typically sarcastic, smarmy manner instantly and correctly sees that poster as a radio hack or wannabee and your attempt at any credibility shrinks to near zero).
>...and who tests songs? Let me guess--consultants?
>
Re: hits NOW
[EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.]
[That was THEN. Has nothing, nada, ZERO relevance to today's
demand for the song.]
Reread the thread. The poster said the song NEVER was cool. My answer was that it was cool THEN to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record. As far as demand...... what came first, the chicken or the egg? Is there no listener demand for the song, or are those who would demand to hear the song no longer listeners?
[EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.]
[That was THEN. Has nothing, nada, ZERO relevance to today's
demand for the song.]
Reread the thread. The poster said the song NEVER was cool. My answer was that it was cool THEN to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record. As far as demand...... what came first, the chicken or the egg? Is there no listener demand for the song, or are those who would demand to hear the song no longer listeners?
Re: hits now
I was being funny in my post. (At times things get too serious here.) But seriously, for it to be #1 on the Hot 100, someone must have liked it. It may not have sold a million but it was #1.
> [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> anymore?]
>
> [It NEVER was cool.]
>
>
> EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
>
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I was being funny in my post. (At times things get too serious here.) But seriously, for it to be #1 on the Hot 100, someone must have liked it. It may not have sold a million but it was #1.
> [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> anymore?]
>
> [It NEVER was cool.]
>
>
> EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
>
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Re: Animals' "C.C. Rider"
> > >
> > > And it creates inflated listener numbers (ratings) that
> > > won't be there next time, AFTER I've spent my
> advertising
> > > dollars based on those numbers!
> > >
> >
> > In other words, businesses and products should not
> > advertise? Staitons do ongoing promotion to retain or
> grow
> > audience. Just as Coke advertises a product everyone knows
>
> > and has tried.
> >
> I didn't read anywhere in Fonz' post where he said stations
> shouldn't advertise. You better re-read his post. I
> believe he said, the #'s reflected would be INFLATED.
On air promotions are just a way of advertising within ones own cume. The fact that Arbitron measures 48 weeks a year and agencies and buyers use multi book averages makes his point meaningless.
>
> > >
> > > And it creates inflated listener numbers (ratings) that
> > > won't be there next time, AFTER I've spent my
> advertising
> > > dollars based on those numbers!
> > >
> >
> > In other words, businesses and products should not
> > advertise? Staitons do ongoing promotion to retain or
> grow
> > audience. Just as Coke advertises a product everyone knows
>
> > and has tried.
> >
> I didn't read anywhere in Fonz' post where he said stations
> shouldn't advertise. You better re-read his post. I
> believe he said, the #'s reflected would be INFLATED.
On air promotions are just a way of advertising within ones own cume. The fact that Arbitron measures 48 weeks a year and agencies and buyers use multi book averages makes his point meaningless.
>
Re: hits now
I think that Harper Valley PTA is a special case because it was number one and is played absolutely never. There are few number one songs since 1964 that are never played today. Another would be Everbody Loves Somebody by Dean Martin but that is from 1964 and that year seems to be passe' now.
Jungle Fever was big in some markets and did not exist in others. It was a number three song on WQAM in Miami. I like to hear it once in a while. I have it on one of my K-tel albums.
> > [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> > anymore?]
> >
> > [It NEVER was cool.]
> >
> >
> > EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
> >
> That's because there's only ONE David Eduardo Gleason. :>)
>
> Actually anyone can make that statement about just about ANY
> song released in the 50's,60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. The
> "cool" factor is in the ear of the beholder.
>
> BTW David E, what is your take on "Jungle Fever" the Top 10
> million seller by The Chakachas?
>
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I think that Harper Valley PTA is a special case because it was number one and is played absolutely never. There are few number one songs since 1964 that are never played today. Another would be Everbody Loves Somebody by Dean Martin but that is from 1964 and that year seems to be passe' now.
Jungle Fever was big in some markets and did not exist in others. It was a number three song on WQAM in Miami. I like to hear it once in a while. I have it on one of my K-tel albums.
> > [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> > anymore?]
> >
> > [It NEVER was cool.]
> >
> >
> > EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
> >
> That's because there's only ONE David Eduardo Gleason. :>)
>
> Actually anyone can make that statement about just about ANY
> song released in the 50's,60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. The
> "cool" factor is in the ear of the beholder.
>
> BTW David E, what is your take on "Jungle Fever" the Top 10
> million seller by The Chakachas?
>
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Re: Charts
> >
> . . . and who tests songs? Let me guess--consultants?
>
Nope, real, random selcted listeners.
> >
> . . . and who tests songs? Let me guess--consultants?
>
Nope, real, random selcted listeners.
Re: hits now
No, I have the single of Harper Valley and it is nice to hear once in a while. I have seen the album and she is wearing a wonderful mini-skirt on the cover.
> I bought "Harper Valley"..and i could care less about
> hearing it now.
>
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No, I have the single of Harper Valley and it is nice to hear once in a while. I have seen the album and she is wearing a wonderful mini-skirt on the cover.
> I bought "Harper Valley"..and i could care less about
> hearing it now.
>
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Re: hits now
> These guys do double talk. First of all they say it is
> sales, then a million SELLING record is NOT cool. Next
> thing they are going to argue about is the definition of
> "cool".
The song was never cool. Many hit songs are not cool. Do you think Barry Manilow songs and Carpenters songs were perceived as hip and cool? Nope. They were popular, but not cutting edge and cool. That's all.
And the song was basically a novelty song, a hit for a minute in time, and then a stiff for 4 decades. This proves it was never cool, as no one wants to hear it any more.
> These guys do double talk. First of all they say it is
> sales, then a million SELLING record is NOT cool. Next
> thing they are going to argue about is the definition of
> "cool".
The song was never cool. Many hit songs are not cool. Do you think Barry Manilow songs and Carpenters songs were perceived as hip and cool? Nope. They were popular, but not cutting edge and cool. That's all.
And the song was basically a novelty song, a hit for a minute in time, and then a stiff for 4 decades. This proves it was never cool, as no one wants to hear it any more.
Re: hits now
> I think that Harper Valley PTA is a special case because it
> was number one and is played absolutely never. There are few
> number one songs since 1964 that are never played today.
> Another would be Everbody Loves Somebody by Dean Martin but
> that is from 1964 I heard the song in question this morning on Charlie FM, Portland's version of Jack! I heard HV PTA on KISN-AM last week on a specialty show.
> I think that Harper Valley PTA is a special case because it
> was number one and is played absolutely never. There are few
> number one songs since 1964 that are never played today.
> Another would be Everbody Loves Somebody by Dean Martin but
> that is from 1964 I heard the song in question this morning on Charlie FM, Portland's version of Jack! I heard HV PTA on KISN-AM last week on a specialty show.
Re: hits now
I commend those stations. What I said goes for 99.5% of the time. There are always exceptions. WLNG plays both of those songs.
I heard the song in question this
> morning on Charlie FM, Portland's version of Jack! I heard
> HV PTA on KISN-AM last week on a specialty show.
>
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I commend those stations. What I said goes for 99.5% of the time. There are always exceptions. WLNG plays both of those songs.
I heard the song in question this
> morning on Charlie FM, Portland's version of Jack! I heard
> HV PTA on KISN-AM last week on a specialty show.
>
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Re: hits now
> Lousy analogy. And, no- Harper Valley PTA wasn't cool much
> past tht time it was a current.
>
>
Was it cool even then? I'd usually change the station when that one came on. Those were the days when stations tried to play something for everyone...Frank Sinatra back to back with Deep Purple, followed by 1910 Fruitgum Co.
> Lousy analogy. And, no- Harper Valley PTA wasn't cool much
> past tht time it was a current.
>
>
Was it cool even then? I'd usually change the station when that one came on. Those were the days when stations tried to play something for everyone...Frank Sinatra back to back with Deep Purple, followed by 1910 Fruitgum Co.
Re: hits now
> [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> anymore?]
>
> [It NEVER was cool.]
>
>
> EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
>
"You Light Up My Life" was I believe the biggest-selling single of all time. Is there anyone who still liked that song 6 months later?
> [Does that mean that #1 Harper Valley PTA is not cool
> anymore?]
>
> [It NEVER was cool.]
>
>
> EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
>
"You Light Up My Life" was I believe the biggest-selling single of all time. Is there anyone who still liked that song 6 months later?
Re: hits NOW
> That was THEN. Has nothing, nada, ZERO relevance to today's
> demand for the song.
Right, but the point is it was cool then, because someone asked if it was ever cool, and back then for a while, it was.
> > EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
> >
>
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> That was THEN. Has nothing, nada, ZERO relevance to today's
> demand for the song.
Right, but the point is it was cool then, because someone asked if it was ever cool, and back then for a while, it was.
> > EXCEPT to the 1,000,000+ people who bought the record.
> >
>
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