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Is this happening in Nashville, other radio markets, maybe it is ??

Yes I think oldies can be done, it may help if you have personality and be aggressive like Ja ore was in the 90's.

Stations our so conservative without Ja ore.


Randy needs to find a way to get a led display on the DTV converter boxes, make it also transmit around 87.9, 88.1, 88.3, 88.5, 88.7, and 88.9, and make it where it can operate on batteries.

Then the DTV sub channels can be used as radio stations "Such As" WZTV 17.3, 17.4, 17.5...
Then maybe Bud Walters and other broadcasters will wake up.
 
am I the only one totally confused by signalid's posts?
make a radio station by putting LEDs on a battery operated DTV converter? huh?
move stations at will? drop in translators? increase power at will?

my head hurts
 
romer979fm said:
am I the only one totally confused by signalid's posts?
make a radio station by putting LEDs on a battery operated DTV converter? huh?
move stations at will? drop in translators? increase power at will?

my head hurts


No,

The DTV convertor box they use for TV would be made to transmit for a current radio to, convertor box needs to be made to operate from battries, so you don't have to rely on electricity to power the convertor box used for TV.

TV stations would use there sub channels to transmit music, without a TV.
 
Regardless of any strange posts, here are the facts about "oldies":

The original format now largely reaches people over 55. Big ticket advertisers will not support that. Argue all that you will (they're the biggest percentage of the population, they have the most money, they knew Elvis as a young boy) it will not change their minds.

Being #1 25-54 does not help, either...if too much of the audience is considered over 45.

It has happened all over the country...not just in Nashville. The advertisers rely on means other than radio to reach that older demo.

This is why oldies morphed into "classic hits". It works. (Especially from a PPM perspective), and the demos are a little better.

Yes, in Tampa, Florida...beautiful music works. Check the percentage of older vs. younger in the population and compare it to Nashville. You can see why it's survived there. And, the format is not the "beautiful music" of old. It's an updated version of it.
 
KevinFodor said:
Regardless of any strange posts, here are the facts about "oldies":

The original format now largely reaches people over 55. Big ticket advertisers will not support that. Argue all that you will (they're the biggest percentage of the population, they have the most money, they knew Elvis as a young boy) it will not change their minds.

Being #1 25-54 does not help, either...if too much of the audience is considered over 45.

It has happened all over the country...not just in Nashville. The advertisers rely on means other than radio to reach that older demo.

This is why oldies morphed into "classic hits". It works. (Especially from a PPM perspective), and the demos are a little better.

Yes, in Tampa, Florida...beautiful music works. Check the percentage of older vs. younger in the population and compare it to Nashville. You can see why it's survived there. And, the format is not the "beautiful music" of old. It's an updated version of it.



I think it could be done you would have to be aggressive...
I have no other thoughts, you have to make the station aggressive so people listen because it's interesting. Then cause a radio war with the AC and station know as classic hits.
 
I thought about taking a TV DT converter apart to see if I could find a way to make it work on battries without using electricity, put a little FM tranmitter in this so it could broadcast music to a radio, also install a lcd screen on the DT box so you know if your on WSMV 4.4 or WZTV 17.4.

Then the TV sub channel would be broadcasting music just like a FM station.


I think oldies could be done if your personality makes people laugh and aggressive...
You can't act like a laid back station, you got make people think what is this the staff of this station going to do next, Randy M would make people wonder... what do they expect next.
 
Back in the day, when a AM station was near last in a market over a million people, Randy M made the station number 1.

My question is does Nashville have any AM stations in the top 5 ?


Randy M didn't operate this station, shown below but this is an example...

For everyone here who thinks an older demo wouldn't be sellable, I have another set of call letters in this market that does it every day - WIBC. Yes, they switched to FM to try to drive their demos down but last I checked the average age of the listener there is still in the high 40's, and most of the audience is on the "wrong side" of the 25-54 demo. Folks, this station billed $6mil+/year on the AM dial for years, and moving to the FM has not dramatically changed the make up of their advertiser base. Are their agencies that won't buy them? Sure. They do a ton of direct, relationship business. I launch an oldies station in Indianapolis, there's my first source for leads. Then it's the newspaper, because the demos are the same -older adults, so every casino, every retirement/assisted living community, every health service, the list goes on and on.

Programmers cannot fix sales. Only good sales management can fix sales. If you believe it's programming's responsibility to fix sales, then you are living on ratings only, and really only taking orders based on ratings, not selling the virture of the product to anyone.

Program a good oldies station. Program a good anything - that's the PD's responsibility. And that's it. The money - the business is management's, if they're up to the task.
 
I think oldies could be done if your personality makes people laugh and aggressive...
You can't act like a laid back station, you got make people think what is this the staff of this station going to do next,
yep..just like it was back then..but here's the caveat to that..you can't have a 25 year old kid as a pd..or kids as jocks..the music is at least twice as old as most jocks out there..and the old timers that know what they're doing just are not around as much as before...plus the 25 year old sales staff is clueless about the format..and who it appeals to and how to approach individual prospects..and that age is who are making the national buys at the agencies..so they are clueless as well..just can't do it with kids and VT...and i know it's been said ad nauseum..bigger playlist...not the same damn 300 songs every day..to hell with the consultants, audience testing, all that..if you played it back then..no reason not to play it now..i don't think so called "experts" give old listeners credit for remembering more than the same old songs..ok''enough of my tirade..back to the margaritas..lol
 
KevinFodor said:
Regardless of any strange posts, here are the facts about "oldies":

The original format now largely reaches people over 55. Big ticket advertisers will not support that. Argue all that you will (they're the biggest percentage of the population, they have the most money, they knew Elvis as a young boy) it will not change their minds.

Being #1 25-54 does not help, either...if too much of the audience is considered over 45.

It has happened all over the country...not just in Nashville. The advertisers rely on means other than radio to reach that older demo.

This is why oldies morphed into "classic hits". It works. (Especially from a PPM perspective), and the demos are a little better.

Yes, in Tampa, Florida...beautiful music works. Check the percentage of older vs. younger in the population and compare it to Nashville. You can see why it's survived there. And, the format is not the "beautiful music" of old. It's an updated version of it.


Well hello Gentlemen & if hello Ladies are present:

I'm back from silence, it's after midnight on a Friday night & I cannot sleep, so I read these posts and there are so many comments about this format not being on a FM Channel, that the Nashville Radio Board becomes boring to read.

The comments that the young man just made are true. My first thought, it's bad to refer to the this format as "Oldies". Look we are now, coming up on 2010, and the 60's oldies are 40 years old. That doesn't cater to a 30 year old. We should refer to all the music from 1955 to 2005 as "Classic Hits", after all they were all hits!

Consultants are breaking down Oldies/Classic Hits into age groups:

Classic Hits for 25-40
Classic Hits for 40-55
Classic Hits for 55+

We expect ages 25-70 to like the same old classic songs. The world doesn't work that way. I have found that many adults 30-45 don't remember the AM Top 40 stations like WMAK, WLAC, and especially WKDA, that's too far back, way before some of them were born or too young to listen to radio. You guys that are 55-65 cannot expect a 30 year old to remember the music WKDA play as a Top 40 station. It was before their time. All the teens today know is Hanna Montana, and all that bubble gum stuff thay is on the Disney Channel. Most of you are grandparents, and you should already know that.

The answer to all of this is HD Radio. One or two FM's can serve a Classic Hits station for the 25-40 year olds, one Classic Hits station for the 40-55 year olds, and one Classic Hits station for the 55-70 and above. The technology is there, but I don't really understand why corporate is not taking advantage of it.

Speaking of Beautiful Music, there are areas where it does work. In Punta Gorda, Florida (the Ft. Myers Market), the northern retirees come down during the winter time to their Florida Homes. Punta Gorda did have a good Easy Listening/Beautiful Music station, but Clear Channel screwed that up and changed it to country. I think they have a new one in the market on 104.9, and it's called "Seaview 104.9". It caters to the 60+ audience. They came to their senses and realized they had a retiree audience that was active, spent loads of money, and they needed a station to cater to them.

The days of stations like "Oldies 96.3", I think are gone for good, but with HD Radio, we can bring a Classic Hits format for every age group. It's being done on XM, Satellite TV, so why no traditional radio, in HD? In addition, the FCC should force all radio manufactures to put HD on ALL RECEIVERS, so the masses can find what they like. There is no reason why there should be a radio station for each age group in each market in America.

Getting on this (Nashville Board) to complain about this is doing nobody any good. Nobody of importance is listening to anybody here, as a matter of fact, the big guys don't read the discussions boards anyway. Forget about AM, it's in a terrible mess right now, and the FCC is ignoring it, but FM HD can save the day and make everyone happy. We have the technology, but its politics that's in the way, and money hungry corporate giants like the former GM giants!

The only problem I see is that our good ole federal government let Ibiquity rule over HD Radio. A ruling in Congress can knock them out of the way, and allow free HD Radio, with all kinds of Current Top 40 Formats, Classic Hits Formats for all age groups, Spanish Formats, Various Urban Formats, a Beautiful Music Format, Talk Formats, to be received on one band. Instead of getting on this board to complain, grip to your congressmen and senators, who need to be educated about this, have them get with the FCC, and get HD Radio rolling, free for all, and formats for all ages.

I may not be right on my comments here, but this is how I see it, and the only way to give everybody what they want from traditional radio. Sitting back and just complaining about it here does no good. Not many are reading or listening that have the control. My personal gut feeling is that if HD was doing what the FCC set out for it to do, nobody would be here with complaints, but this is not a perfect world.

I'll now go back to silence.
 
scottwmro

We expect ages 25-70 to like the same old classic songs. The world doesn't work that way. I have found that many adults 30-45 don't remember the AM Top 40 stations like WMAK, WLAC, and especially WKDA, that's too far back, way before some of them were born or too young to listen to radio. You guys that are 55-65 cannot expect a 30 year old to remember the music WKDA play as a Top 40 station. It was before their time. All the teens today know is Hanna Montana, and all that bubble gum stuff thay is on the Disney Channel. Most of you are grandparents, and you should already know that.

The answer to all of this is HD Radio. One or two FM's can serve a Classic Hits station for the 25-40 year olds, one Classic Hits station for the 40-55 year olds, and one Classic Hits station for the 55-70 and above. The technology is there, but I don't really understand why corporate is not taking advantage of it.
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Your right in ways, but HD takes up more space on the FM band that may put hiss on adjacent channels. When a stations is not doing well they should turn there analog off and go totally HD, that's why there is only low power tv stations that is analog now. Another thing they could do is put HD where several low band VHF stations were and this would help. HD is only 1% of the analog power. The FCC hurt AM and FM, because the band is clogged up in populated areas. When a station in Indpls. didn't play what I wanted I didn't listen, I put a good fm antenna up and got Cincinnati. I don't think the local stations liked it, I thought if your going to play bubble gum music then I listen to them it's just to bad if you want me to listen.

In Indpls, this 1 company had a oldies station getting a 5 share, and it was a top 5 station, then they change the format because I think they want to see if they can take down the number 1 station so there other station that is 2nd or 3rd can be 1st. or 2nd rated station. We have 2-4 stations playing the same format and some may only get a 2 share, when they can have a 5 share don't make any sense. That was about 5 years ago.

Then we got another station that played oldies and it was sold to K Love and changed to K love last month because the owner said he could not compete with a company in Indy with 3 - 4 stations. It was also a station in the top 5, with 5k watts, and there was stations that were 50k that may been in the top 10 - 20. I can't tell you how many stations we have that are religious but it's 5 or more.

The FM bad is to crowded to hear good stations from another city, then the FCC lets all these translators go up and play the same crap you hear 50 miles away, if I wanted to hear that station I would try improve it so I can hear what I want.
Another thing I noticed college students sometimes listen to oldies, alternative, then the college stations play them. Many college towns around Indiana have a station that plays oldies. I think if I had a oldies station I would try to slide in songs from George Strais, Taylor Swift, another song I would try to slide in on a oldies station is Kid Rock Sweet Home Alabama occasionally just to add a little flavor. I think songs like that could be a good fit on a oldies station. I consider Hanna Montana bubble gum music, not 1 of my favorites.

I think oldies may target a old audience but some of us being younger may also listen at times, depending on our mood.

I like oldies at times, then I like hip hop, some rock, and some country if it's popular. Can you guess my age is in the 30's...

These advertisers might think they know everything then they must not, there is some people that think they know everything, then people out of college, running a business saying I don't know everything. When someone thinks they know everything then it's about like the guy on tv saying it will be 60 or 70 the next day and it stays in the 50's. Then this global warming might be a joke, maybe earth is going through a cycle that it does, and know 1 would know because humans didn't exist when our planet was made.
 
signalid said:
scottwmro

We expect ages 25-70 to like the same old classic songs. The world doesn't work that way. I have found that many adults 30-45 don't remember the AM Top 40 stations like WMAK, WLAC, and especially WKDA, that's too far back, way before some of them were born or too young to listen to radio. You guys that are 55-65 cannot expect a 30 year old to remember the music WKDA play as a Top 40 station. It was before their time. All the teens today know is Hanna Montana, and all that bubble gum stuff thay is on the Disney Channel. Most of you are grandparents, and you should already know that.

The answer to all of this is HD Radio. One or two FM's can serve a Classic Hits station for the 25-40 year olds, one Classic Hits station for the 40-55 year olds, and one Classic Hits station for the 55-70 and above. The technology is there, but I don't really understand why corporate is not taking advantage of it.
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Your right in ways, but HD takes up more space on the FM band that may put hiss on adjacent channels. When a stations is not doing well they should turn there analog off and go totally HD, that's why there is only low power tv stations that is analog now. Another thing they could do is put HD where several low band VHF stations were and this would help. HD is only 1% of the analog power. The FCC hurt AM and FM, because the band is clogged up in populated areas. When a station in Indpls. didn't play what I wanted I didn't listen, I put a good fm antenna up and got Cincinnati. I don't think the local stations liked it, I thought if your going to play bubble gum music then I listen to them it's just to bad if you want me to listen.

In Indpls, this 1 company had a oldies station getting a 5 share, and it was a top 5 station, then they change the format because I think they want to see if they can take down the number 1 station so there other station that is 2nd or 3rd can be 1st. or 2nd rated station. We have 2-4 stations playing the same format and some may only get a 2 share, when they can have a 5 share don't make any sense. That was about 5 years ago.

Then we got another station that played oldies and it was sold to K Love and changed to K love last month because the owner said he could not compete with a company in Indy with 3 - 4 stations. It was also a station in the top 5, with 5k watts, and there was stations that were 50k that may been in the top 10 - 20. I can't tell you how many stations we have that are religious but it's 5 or more.

The FM bad is to crowded to hear good stations from another city, then the FCC lets all these translators go up and play the same crap you hear 50 miles away, if I wanted to hear that station I would try improve it so I can hear what I want.
Another thing I noticed college students sometimes listen to oldies, alternative, then the college stations play them. Many college towns around Indiana have a station that plays oldies. I think if I had a oldies station I would try to slide in songs from George Strais, Taylor Swift, another song I would try to slide in on a oldies station is Kid Rock Sweet Home Alabama occasionally just to add a little flavor. I think songs like that could be a good fit on a oldies station. I consider Hanna Montana bubble gum music, not 1 of my favorites.

I think oldies may target a old audience but some of us being younger may also listen at times, depending on our mood.

I like oldies at times, then I like hip hop, some rock, and some country if it's popular. Can you guess my age is in the 30's...

These advertisers might think they know everything then they must not, there is some people that think they know everything, then people out of college, running a business saying I don't know everything. When someone thinks they know everything then it's about like the guy on tv saying it will be 60 or 70 the next day and it stays in the 50's. Then this global warming might be a joke, maybe earth is going through a cycle that it does, and know 1 would know because humans didn't exist when our planet was made.

The FCC has let certain broadcasters with money; make a true mess out of the FM Band. These so called religious organizations like K-Love, putting a translator in a market where they do not have a station is ridiculous. To save the investments of the small AM broadcasters is allow them 1 FM Translator. Then, after a few years, turn the AM off.

I think the FCC doesn't quite understand "Spectrum Management. It's hard to tell right now what they are going to do, now that HD TV has kicked in and the way I understand it, we are suppose to have extra spectrum out there to be used for digital services.

As far as the hash is concerned, (I could be wrong about this) is because you’re listening to a station in digital on an analog radio. If you have an HD, FM Radio, that hash should not be present, but I haven't had the chance to sit and play around with an FM HD radio, so I can' t say what the effects are listening to an HD signal on a HD radio.

IMHO.....Radio has changed over the past 40 plus years. When I was a kid, at night here in the south, we could get WLS, WCFL, WABC, etc. and a programmer could play a hard rockin song, then play a disco dance record behind it. We can't do that anymore. Society has changed. We cannot play "My guy, from Mary Wells" recorded and on the charts in 1964, then play "Footloose" from Kenny Loggins, from 1984. There are too many years between the songs, and those songs appeal to two different demos.

Same goes with TV. In the early 70's, when I was growing up, we didn't have cable, and we could only get 3 channels, ABC, NBC & CBS affiliates. Now cable and satellite has given the public a choice with many networks available to cater to everyone. Radio can do the same thing on FM, but it's going to take some effort from the FCC and Congress to make it work.

This is the reason why I suggested HD FM Radio. It's the way to serve all the masses at different age groups, as the programmers are catering to smaller age groups these days. The WLS-AM of 1971 would not work in today's radio world. WLS-FM works because it caters to a 55+ age group who where young adults when the AM was big, besides, Chicago is a much bigger city than Nashville. Our problem here is the consultants are confused on what to do with a Classic Hits Format (noticed I hate to use the word "oldies"). As I mention in my previous post, Classic Hits can be divided down into three (or 4) age groups. I used that as an example to show what we can do with free traditional radio with HD.

As I mention before, we have to act on this, instead of coming home every night, getting on the internet and griping about it. There is one person in this town (I'll keep him nameless) that I've been told that is what he is doing. I stop and think, doesn't he have better things to do with his time. One person told me he stays on the computer all night long, going site to site, and griping that there is no station in the market catering to the 55 + age group.

We'll it's his own fault, along with others who should be sending their complaints to the FCC and Congress about allowing more spectrum to be used out there on the FM Band for these "niche" formats, and get HD Radio right. I told him privately to stop living in the past, and get with the today's program. Getting on this board is like preaching to the choir. You can come here to vent, but nobody important is reading your post.

To keep stress out of my life, I'd rather watch Horatio Caine on CSI-Miami, than sit here all night long and grip over radio formats, consultants, programmers, and owners. Life is too short to worry about this.
 
TheBigA said:
cspotrun said:
do you think it is because owners and groups LIKE to lose money? c'mon get real!

No, and that's why they're starting to phase it out in lots of markets, and why it was dropped in Nashville.

hey, formats come & go in any city, and we don't call it a TREND when a country station or AAA drys up. Classic Hits is still in the top tier of formats.

i would like to know why country can do well in Philly and up state new york and throughout the north east and somehow NYC is immune from ANYBODY liking country music?

I'd like to know why the weather is so nice in the south and so bad in the north. I'd like to know why taxes vary from state to state. We're all Americans. We should all pay the same. Fix those problems, and maybe someone will tackle the country in NYC thing.
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people= weather conditions? OK... they have pretty much the SAME weather in Philly that they have in NYC, so if it rains in Philly there's a 70% chance the storm front will move into NYC, and they will LIKE Country music like they do in Philly. IN THE RAIN!
in NYC...WHAT A RIDICULOUS ARGUMENT, you've made... the bottom here, is People are People, yes, EVEN in NYC.
 
here's another question? how come a Country music station isn't #1 in NASHVILLE!!!! given the illogical arguments against Classic Hits.... maybe Country music is over! ;)
 
I told Randy M how to move a station closer to Nashville, I'm not sure he is interested because it's a rim shot.

Ja or Broadcasting made stations collapse in several radio wars. I remember when CC said if you can't beat them you buy them.
 
I remember back when WFLZ was the Power Pig in Tampa, it was a hot top 40 station.

That 101.7 would be a good top 40 station if it was moved north but I don't see anyone trying to move it.

I notice at times you didn't need a good signal on a hit music station, for some reason if it was programmed well it would do damage to the station with a powerful signal.

Then maybe 102.5 would change to oldies. That is 1 thing I can say about good radio wars it sometimes makes stations change there format because damage can happen.
 
beatlenut said:
Great posts, but answer me this: the Oldies format is for the older audience, granted. But aren't they the audience with the most disposable income?

No. Their money is tied up with house payments, kids in college, and credit card debt. And they are the audience that are least likely to be influenced by advertising in terms of buying decisions.

Look...this is not a new problem. Oldies are the new popular standards format. In the 80s, stations playing Sinatra got good ratings aiming at the over 55 bunch. But they didn't make as much money as the pop stations selling pimple cream to teenagers.
 
TheBigA said:
beatlenut said:
Great posts, but answer me this: the Oldies format is for the older audience, granted. But aren't they the audience with the most disposable income?

No. Their money is tied up with house payments, kids in college, and credit card debt. And they are the audience that are least likely to be influenced by advertising in terms of buying decisions.

Look...this is not a new problem. Oldies are the new popular standards format. In the 80s, stations playing Sinatra got good ratings aiming at the over 55 bunch. But they didn't make as much money as the pop stations selling pimple cream to teenagers.



You said it, I believe your right, no argument from me, mainly those stations that draw 12+ would be able to buy candy, gum, and anything else that don't cost much money...

This 1 guy posted in a forum that may been Cincinnati or Indiana.

That older people will not change from there favorite brands, they may if the price is right, also sometimes there favorite brand may got bought out or went out of business over the years so there looking hard to find a good replacment. These advertisers need to research things that has changed.

These young people are going to be old 1 of these days and they will end up saying the samething, wish I could go back 10 - 20 years. Sad to say as you get older you will begin to miss your days when you grew up.

When you get old you will want to be treated good because they don't know how much longer they will get to enjoy life. All I can say is appreciate the older folks, they may teach you something someday.

I'm in my 30's and wish I would did things different when I was younger.

If I had the money and move WKOM 101.7 near Franklin and prefer to do oldies, over any format but I think it would not have a good enough signal, so I decide to take on 102.5 as I try to do damage to 102.5, then hoping they will go oldies. Doing top 40, Nashville possible only has room for 2 stations.

I would be a third station with 101.7, if aggresive and programed well I feel 102.5 could be hit hard in the ratings by the affects of 101.7. Randy at Ja or has destroyed many top 40 stations trying to beat him at the programing game. People said he was so good he can take a AM station near last to number 1 is saying a lot for him but I know he prefers a good signal.
 
TheBigA said:
beatlenut said:
Great posts, but answer me this: the Oldies format is for the older audience, granted. But aren't they the audience with the most disposable income?

No. Their money is tied up with house payments, kids in college, and credit card debt. And they are the audience that are least likely to be influenced by advertising in terms of buying decisions.

Look...this is not a new problem. Oldies are the new popular standards format. In the 80s, stations playing Sinatra got good ratings aiming at the over 55 bunch. But they didn't make as much money as the pop stations selling pimple cream to teenagers.

I agree with you, as back in the 1970's, I recall the 60+ folks complaining of no Bing, Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Dean Martin, etc, not getting airplay on radio and the Top 40 Stations were playing what you folks that are over 55 today call "Oldies".

I wished that you guys would stop using the word "Oldies". Programmers have gotten away from it. It's Classic Hits, if it was recored in 1957 or 1977, it Classic Hits. "Oldies" is a world that makes one believe the music is my old grandma's music and mentally, hurts the format all together.
 
scottwmro said:
TheBigA said:
beatlenut said:
Great posts, but answer me this: the Oldies format is for the older audience, granted. But aren't they the audience with the most disposable income?

No. Their money is tied up with house payments, kids in college, and credit card debt. And they are the audience that are least likely to be influenced by advertising in terms of buying decisions.

Look...this is not a new problem. Oldies are the new popular standards format. In the 80s, stations playing Sinatra got good ratings aiming at the over 55 bunch. But they didn't make as much money as the pop stations selling pimple cream to teenagers.

I agree with you, as back in the 1970's, I recall the 60+ folks complaining of no Bing, Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Dean Martin, etc, not getting airplay on radio and the Top 40 Stations were playing what you folks that are over 55 today call "Oldies".

I wished that you guys would stop using the word "Oldies". Programmers have gotten away from it. It's Classic Hits, if it was recored in 1957 or 1977, it Classic Hits. "Oldies" is a world that makes one believe the music is my old grandma's music and mentally, hurts the format all together.
PERCEPTION IS REALITY.... if it barks like a dog, it's a dog. THE "People" call any song from the 60's & 70's an "Oldie", no matter WHAT you choose to call it. the term 'Classic Hits" means nothing to the average person, give it a several years and maybe it will sink in, then by that time "Classic Hits" will be a dirty word too. to be replaced by..... "new Coke" or something.
 
[I'll now go back to silence.

Scott, Don't go back to silence. We need you. Now that you and Buddy have reconciled. (Maybe a slightly shorter post, but- JUST KIDDING.)
 
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