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it looks like L.A. is joining S.F. and NYC IN TERMS OF NO COUNTRY

J

joebenjamin

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kzla is in iffy territory as far as COUNTRY is concerned---but L.A. AND S.F. have nearby country outlets----in BROOKLYN,NY---we can barely hear 1310 shore country on the sands of BRIGHTON BEACH!!!!! it doesn't really look good for NYC if you really study the situation in l.a. and s.f.have a happy turkey day---we country listeners end up being the turkeys in URBAN,ETC areas!!!!!
 
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> kzla is in iffy territory as far as COUNTRY is
> concerned---

There is nothing iffy about a stations that will beill $30 million this year. they are simply doing a Christmas thing.

> but L.A. AND S.F. have nearby country
> outlets----

None puts a listenable signal into any but a small part of LA.
 
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> > kzla is in iffy territory as far as COUNTRY is
> > concerned---
>
> There is nothing iffy about a stations that will beill $30
> million this year. they are simply doing a Christmas thing.

Perhaps the original poster could get a clue before posting his uninformed rants on this board?<P ID="signature">______________


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> > > kzla is in iffy territory as far as COUNTRY is
> > > concerned---
> >
> > There is nothing iffy about a stations that will beill $30
>
> > million this year. they are simply doing a Christmas
> thing.
>
> Perhaps the original poster could get a clue before posting
> his uninformed rants on this board?
>

I just saw that clues are on special at Kohls in their Post-Thanksgiving sale. This is a chance to get one at a good price.
 
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there is 95.1 KFRG which is from the inland empire...it comes in well in most parts of L.A


> > kzla is in iffy territory as far as COUNTRY is
> > concerned---
>
> There is nothing iffy about a stations that will beill $30
> million this year. they are simply doing a Christmas thing.
>
>
> > but L.A. AND S.F. have nearby country
> > outlets----
>
> None puts a listenable signal into any but a small part of
> LA.
>
 
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> there is 95.1 KFRG which is from the inland empire...it
> comes in well in most parts of L.A

KFRG's listenable countour barely gets beyond Pomona. Considering that about 95% of all quarter hours of listening are inside the 64 dbu contour, and KFRG is blocked for line of sight to LA County, this explains why they got a 0.0 share nd a cume of Zero in the last LA book. Not enogh signal to be usable.
 
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One of Kohl's clues I found on-sale here on the east coast says "KZLA will resume playing Country Music on December 26th".
 
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Cmon already....

Since we're giving out clues....
So I guess the moderator can't be criticized (rule 5), but its perfectly fine
for him to ridicule and berate posters with sarcasm like ("get a clue"), or does that violate (rule #1).

By the way....although KZLA is just playing Christmas music, and will return to Country. Many a high-billing station has been flipped in the hope of greater long-term riches (most recent example: WCBS-FM/New York).
And don't think that KZLA's future hasn't been discussed in the case that Emmis were to pick up the ABC group.
 
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Buck O's KUZZ AM 550 comes in well into the LA basin...

But then again, who cares?

The stations sure don't...

Hope KZLA keeps the playlist more towards actual country Christmas music, but then again, how many times can one listen to "Leroy, the Redneck Reindeer" before proceeding to vomit?
 
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> there is 95.1 KFRG which is from the inland empire...it
> comes in well in most parts of L.A

not here in azusa canyon...only 99.9 comes in loud and clear.
 
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> > there is 95.1 KFRG which is from the inland empire...it
> > comes in well in most parts of L.A
>
> KFRG's listenable countour barely gets beyond Pomona.
> Considering that about 95% of all quarter hours of listening
> are inside the 64 dbu contour, and KFRG is blocked for line
> of sight to LA County, this explains why they got a 0.0
> share nd a cume of Zero in the last LA book. Not enogh
> signal to be usable.
>


KFRG covers quite well in the L.A./O.C. METRO! Their stick is on a hill north of San Bernardino... I think KOLA and KGGI are just north of Riverside. (that's why they reach L.A. better)

The Frog's power is stronger in Southern L.A. County and much of the Orange County area. (Draw an imaginary line from San Bernardino to Pasadena to Hollywood then to Santa Monica. Everything SOUTH of that line comes in LOUD and CLEAR!)

Let's not forget they have two smaller frogs... one in Temecula, and one in the Victorville area! I hear they all combined, bill mucho $$$$$. That's all that matters!

<P ID="signature">______________
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> KFRG covers quite well in the L.A./O.C. METRO! Their stick
> is on a hill north of San Bernardino... I think KOLA and
> KGGI are just north of Riverside. (that's why they reach
> L.A. better)
>
> The Frog's power is stronger in Southern L.A. County and
> much of the Orange County area. (Draw an imaginary line from
> San Bernardino to Pasadena to Hollywood then to Santa
> Monica. Everything SOUTH of that line comes in LOUD and
> CLEAR!)

You certainly wouldn't think so, given their no-show status in the L.A. market ratings.<P ID="signature">______________


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>
> You certainly wouldn't think so, given their no-show status
> in the L.A. market ratings.
>

Exactly.... probably because their content is VERY LOCAL. They rarley admit their in So. Cal at all. Just IE stuff. What ever works right? Their 25-54 numbers are solid to the core.<P ID="signature">______________
Find Me If You Can</P>
 
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> Buck O's KUZZ AM 550 comes in well into the LA basin...
>
> But then again, who cares?
>
> The stations sure don't...
>
> Hope KZLA keeps the playlist more towards actual country
> Christmas music, but then again, how many times can one
> listen to "Leroy, the Redneck Reindeer" before proceeding to
> vomit?
>


The country equivalent of "Dominick, The Christmas Donkey"
 
Re: IE reality

> > > there is 95.1 KFRG which is from the inland empire...it
> > > comes in well in most parts of L.A
> >
> > KFRG's listenable countour barely gets beyond Pomona.
> > Considering that about 95% of all quarter hours of
> listening
> > are inside the 64 dbu contour, and KFRG is blocked for
> line
> > of sight to LA County, this explains why they got a 0.0
> > share nd a cume of Zero in the last LA book. Not enogh
> > signal to be usable.
> >
>
>
> KFRG covers quite well in the L.A./O.C. METRO! Their stick
> is on a hill north of San Bernardino... I think KOLA and
> KGGI are just north of Riverside. (that's why they reach
> L.A. better)

KFRG is a very good station and its long term success is undeniable. However, its billing has been off for the last 4 years in a row, while the market has been up by over 20% in the same time period.

Right now, the billing is around $12 million. Were the signal truly any good in LA (and not blocked by the hills and mountains) they could see that getting numbers in LA would produce far more billing than the could ever get in the IE. If a 1.5 share in LA can bill $30 million (KFWB), think what KFRG could add to thier billing if they focuesd on even part of LA.

The fact is, the usable signal does ot cover much of the LA market, and it can not compete at all, even in the areas that are "almost" as much part of the IE as LA, like the areas from Duarte to the east, including Pomona and the surrounding area. But the station gets no listeners at all in the LA survey area.
>
> The Frog's power is stronger in Southern L.A. County and
> much of the Orange County area. (Draw an imaginary line from
> San Bernardino to Pasadena to Hollywood then to Santa
> Monica. Everything SOUTH of that line comes in LOUD and
> CLEAR!)

In Orange County, those big things calld mountains effectively block the signal. If you do a Langley Rice, the signal is not usable in the OC.
>
> Let's not forget they have two smaller frogs... one in
> Temecula, and one in the Victorville area! I hear they all
> combined, bill mucho $$$$$.

Riverside is a low rate, shadow market. It has the billing of a market half its size. It's 27th in population, and 51st in revenue. The only station with any chance of covering parts of LA, KLYY, moved the studios out and consider themselves an LA station, so bad is the IE market.
> That's all that matters!
>
 
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> Cmon already....
>
> Since we're giving out clues....
> So I guess the moderator can't be criticized (rule 5), but
> its perfectly fine
> for him to ridicule and berate posters with sarcasm like
> ("get a clue"), or does that violate (rule #1).
>
> By the way....although KZLA is just playing Christmas music,
> and will return to Country. Many a high-billing station has
> been flipped in the hope of greater long-term riches (most
> recent example: WCBS-FM/New York).

KZLA's revenues are increasing. WCBS's were dropping, while the market was going up. Different scenario.

> And don't think that KZLA's future hasn't been discussed in
> the case that Emmis were to pick up the ABC group.

I don't get the connection. KZLA makes big money.
 
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> Buck O's KUZZ AM 550 comes in well into the LA basin...

No, it does not. I has less than a 2 mv/m signal even in the san fernando valley, and no signal at night.

It takes over a 10 mv/m signal to get numbers in LA due to the noise flor.
 
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> >
> > You certainly wouldn't think so, given their no-show
> status
> > in the L.A. market ratings.
> >
>
> Exactly.... probably because their content is VERY LOCAL.
> They rarley admit their in So. Cal at all. Just IE stuff.
> What ever works right? Their 25-54 numbers are solid to the
> core.
>
KFRG is a great station - but it is a Riverside station.

The numbers are off dramatically from five years ago (that station used to be an 8-10 share radio station). Now a 6 share is a big book because of the continued demography changes in the I.E.

I also believe KFRG could be hurt if the market had any kind of AC station on a full stick.
 
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> > Cmon already....
> >
> > Since we're giving out clues....
> > So I guess the moderator can't be criticized (rule 5), but
>
> > its perfectly fine
> > for him to ridicule and berate posters with sarcasm like
> > ("get a clue"), or does that violate (rule #1).
> >
> > By the way....although KZLA is just playing Christmas
> music,
> > and will return to Country. Many a high-billing station
> has
> > been flipped in the hope of greater long-term riches (most
>
> > recent example: WCBS-FM/New York).
>
> KZLA's revenues are increasing. WCBS's were dropping, while
> the market was going up. Different scenario.
>
> > And don't think that KZLA's future hasn't been discussed
> in
> > the case that Emmis were to pick up the ABC group.
>
> I don't get the connection. KZLA makes big money.
>
All of this talk about KZLA changing is nonsense. They explained why they did what they did - it had to do with poor December numbers. If anything, maybe it will drive some cume that they can convert post holidays.

I guess there's no rumors out there - so let's start spreading some so we have something to discuss.
 
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>
> KZLA's revenues are increasing. WCBS's were dropping, while
> the market was going up. Different scenario.

Different yes. My point being that occassionally a group WILL indeed flip a major biller (over $30m) in an attempt to build for future.
>
> > And don't think that KZLA's future hasn't been discussed
> in
> > the case that Emmis were to pick up the ABC group.
>
> I don't get the connection. KZLA makes big money.
>

The connection would be taking a hard look at the station's demos and ratings as well as KLOS's to determine how they would work with Power to maximize groupwide ad dollars. Like Clear Channel's wall of women here, and Emmis' dominance of minority listenership in NYC.
 
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