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It's 2015! Time to get rid of the '70s.

eriedj said:
My musical tastes range decades. One of my favorite songs right now is Uptown Funk. Yet, you'll also find me cranking Carry On Wayward Son or some 70s soul. Music has been a part of my life for over 40 years.
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When you dismiss great sounding music not getting radio airplay as "No great loss", that statement is consistent with not being able to discern great sounding music. If you can discern great sounding music, but cavalierly dismiss having great music being held off the radio as "No great loss", that is still an indicator of something that doesn't make sense. There's a serious disconnect in there somewhere. I realize that radio pros have to shut up and play what they're told to play. I realize that people who are only allowed to play what the suits tell them to play might like different music for their own personal listening pleasure. But anyone who appreciates good music would acknowledge that it is a loss to the world when good music isn't played on the radio.

That's especially true when adding the fact that sales of recordings are closely tied to airplay. No airplay, less sales. Lots of airplay, more sales. When an album can make it to #68 based only on word-of-mouth between fans and exposure through live concerts, that's a hell of an accomplishment.
 
oldies76 said:
Music Lover said:
It's probably some grand conspiracy to be a pre-requisite to shoving more Bieber down our throats.

LOL! Goodnight.
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Yeah, myself and any sane radio audience won't be listening to torture.
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You two actually said something I personally agree with there. You need to stop doing that if you're going to maintain your 180-degree opposite "the suits" posture.
 
K.M. Richards said:
You two actually said something I personally agree with there. You need to stop doing that if you're going to maintain your 180-degree opposite "the suits" posture.
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The negative side to streaming is travel. Neither my iPod Nano nor my Tracfone have streaming capabilities. I guess as the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it too. :(
 
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Why are you fixated on the fact that I dimissed it. Listen, there is an infinite number of songs and/or groups that I may enjoy listening to. Songs that I played on the radio during my 23 year career in the business. But, I have no problem understanding why some of those songs and/or groups don't get radio airplay anymore. And, I've been out of the radio business for almost 20 years. I've accepted the fact that many of those songs/groups haven't aged well in terms of being playable today. It doesn't bother me. I understand. Makes perfect sense. David, K.M. and others have documented proof and success as to why what doesn't work and what does. Why can't YOU accept it too?
 
eriedj said:
Why are you fixated on the fact that I dimissed it. Listen, there is an infinite number of songs and/or groups that I may enjoy listening to. Songs that I played on the radio during my 23 year career in the business. But, I have no problem understanding why some of those songs and/or groups don't get radio airplay anymore. And, I've been out of the radio business for almost 20 years. I've accepted the fact that many of those songs/groups haven't aged well in terms of being playable today. It doesn't bother me. I understand. Makes perfect sense. David, K.M. and others have documented proof and success as to why what doesn't work and what does. Why can't YOU accept it too?
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Because you cannot seem to discern the difference between not being "playable today", as determined by the suits, and "sounds good enough to play, even if the suits say 'no'".
 
If I was programmng a station, tt may sound playable to ME but my listeners probably would disagree.
 
The SUITS, as you call them, don't determine what gets played today, the LISTENERS do. But YOU know that.
 
Avid Listener said:
Because you cannot seem to discern the difference between not being "playable today", as determined by the suits, and "sounds good enough to play, even if the suits say 'no'".
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Are you the same person who said this in another thread?


Avid Listener said:
When working, I get paid. When I'm being paid, I do what needs to be done to get paid.
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Why are you unable to understand that radio is our job, and we do what needs to be done to get paid? How hard is that to understand? This isn't play time for us. We do what needs to be done. And we DO.
 
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For almost 20 years, I've been a full-time wedding and event DJ entertainer. The analogy between what makes successful radio and what I need to do to make an event successful is similar. I have to ensure a client's wedding is a success. To achieve that, I have to play the music that makes people feel good and want to dance. My clients tell me what to play and what not to play. If I played something from their Do Not Play List, I'd have an unhappy client. The person making that request understands that I can't play it and I ask for another request.

Now, that said, I certainly have more freedom what to play than radio does. But. I play the songs that work and the songs people want to hear. Many of my previous clients have referred me to their friends and family. Why? because they enjoyed themselves and heard music they liked. I wouldn't be in business this long if I played what I wanted to hear, not what my clients wanted or what works. Make sense?
 
eriedj said:
If I was programmng a station, tt may sound playable to ME but my listeners probably would disagree.
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Some might, some might not, it DEPENDS what you play and WHEN you play it. Most songs CAN be played. Just be careful WHEN it's played.

Heck, "You Light Up My Life" can be played...maybe at 3am.

KM Richards mentioned a play clock, (post #618), where the position of primary songs and secondary songs can be played in a set. It makes sense, if organized right. So at the same time, you are satisfying your audiences and probably a few music fans as well. Everyone's happy.
 
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Heck, "You Light Up My Life" can be played...maybe at 3am.
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You never know who's listening. There's a thread on the Atlanta board from some people who claim the 24/7 news station there did a news break at 3AM Sunday morning and failed to give local weather. They said that's an indication of the station not living up to it's 24/7 claim. So there's always someone who thinks they know how to do your job better than you do, even at 3AM. There is no such thing as "off-hours" when you're building a brand. When you're in a major market, and the competition is tough, you can't slack off at 3AM.

http://www.radiodiscussions.com/sho...io-24-hour-news-center-at-3-AM-Sunday-morning
 
I have You Light Up My Wife err Life in my Vocals/Standards folder for weddings. I've never played it for dinner music. I'm almost afraid to. LOL.
 
What about if the pre-72 song was remade as a cover post-72? Would the cover have to be pulled too? Example: Unforgettable. Originally sung by Nat King Cole. Remade with his daughter in the 90's.
 
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Music Lover said:
What about if the pre-72 song was remade as a cover post-72? Would the cover have to be pulled too? Example: Unforgettable. Originally sung by Nat King Cole. Remade with his daughter in the 90's.
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As BigA said, that is OK.

The DCMA / SoundExchange only collects for the artist and the label. So a song recorded in 2014 is treated, for that purpose, as a 2014 song even if it was written decades ago. There is no litigation or disagreement on the author and composer rights, which are collected via ASCAP, BMI and SESAC.
 
eriedj said:
The SUITS, as you call them, don't determine what gets played today, the LISTENERS do. But YOU know that.
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No, the suits have claimed that's how it is. But I don't believe the suits. I won't go so far as to call them liars. But I do think they are self-deluded and misinformed.

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Why are you unable to understand that radio is our job, and we do what needs to be done to get paid? How hard is that to understand? This isn't play time for us. We do what needs to be done. And we DO.
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You are paid by the suits who run the show, or else you are a suit. Either way, just because you do what you do to get paid doesn't mean that what you do to get paid is best for the listener/consumer.
 
Avid Listener said:
That's especially true when adding the fact that sales of recordings are closely tied to airplay. No airplay, less sales. Lots of airplay, more sales. When an album can make it to #68 based only on word-of-mouth between fans and exposure through live concerts, that's a hell of an accomplishment.
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Ever heard of a "turntable hit"? That's a record that got plenty of air play (and no, I'm not implying payola; maybe it got a lot of phone-in requests or whatever), but when it came to actual sales, the only reason they put a hole in the middle of the record was so that it would sink.

The record industry was guilty in the 70's and 80's of pressing millions of an LP so it would "SHIP MULTI-PLATINUM!"...then wind up with warehouses groaning with unsold returns. (Warner Bros' Chicago warehouse manager was at least creative about this...he knew the warehouse was soon to face a flood from a nearby river, and moved tens of thousands of copies of duds like Richard Simmons' "Reach" to the ground floor to soak up the mess! WB made a killing on the insurance...)
 
Avid Listener said:
No, the suits have claimed that's how it is. But I don't believe the suits. I won't go so far as to call them liars.
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Please re-read that statement.

"I don't believe the suits" means that what they say is a lie.

"I won't go so far as to call them liars" is a contradiction because you just said they lie.

But I do think they are self-deluded and misinformed.
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So you said the "suits" lied, and then you said they do it because they don't know any better.

Anyway, how can you be misguided if you talk to your listeners and do what the consensus says to do?
 
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