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Rick Rose 2.0

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93.3 appears to have been owned by Provident simply because it has been ran commercially and Radio Training Network is non commercial. RTN owns His Radio out of the Carolinas and Joy FM in west central Florida. Now RTN is paying Provident 4 million to pick up the 93.3 signal so i guess that means 93.3 will go listener supported and possibly became a his radio repeater. RTN owns stations in Augusta and Savannah and Dothan that reach chunks of Georgia. They already use voicetracking of RTN talent so i doubt much will change.
 
I saw this sale as well and do not understand the 4 million price tag if the owner of Provident and Radio Training Network is the same person JAMES L. CAMPBELL. Could the 4 million be going to JAMES L. CAMPBELL from Radio Training Network so that he makes a personal profit? If not then I do not understand. Why not just transfer the station without and money involved?
 
Total bottomless pockets. "His Radio" is never satisfied. In Western NC and SC they own every LPFM and translator.
 
Z-100 said:
Total bottomless pockets. "His Radio" is never satisfied. In Western NC and SC they own every LPFM and translator.
I've never quite understood these religious operations that seek to cover every square inch of the country with a signal that may or may not be listenable with programming that may or may not be listenable.

Toccoa Falls has been doing it since Marconi was a boy, and Moody tried it for a while. I don't begrudge a church running their one little LPFM to reach their local community, but how many repeaters, translators, and LPFMs does it take before you wind up blowing a fortune?

I understand the Great Commission, but is covering an area with a crazy quilt of signals the most efficient way to do that?
 
Jim Campbell is not the"owner" of either Provident or RTN. He is president of the organization.
Watkins Industries, the mega-trucking/transportation company is the money behind both organizations. Mr. Watkins founded both as ministries - these folks are sincere in there efforts unlike most other religious broadcasters.
I would think this is a simple reorganization of assets between the two for tax purposes. I do wonder if J93 will go non commercial or maybe a hybrid of commercial and listener supported.
Rick Davidson, longtime manager of J93, must be close to retirement - or at least thinking about it. Preparing for this inevitable transition may also be a factor.
 
jabba17 said:
I've never quite understood these religious operations that seek to cover every square inch of the country with a signal that may or may not be listenable with programming that may or may not be listenable.

Toccoa Falls has been doing it since Marconi was a boy, and Moody tried it for a while. I don't begrudge a church running their one little LPFM to reach their local community, but how many repeaters, translators, and LPFMs does it take before you wind up blowing a fortune?

I understand the Great Commission, but is covering an area with a crazy quilt of signals the most efficient way to do that?

This post could be a whole new thread on its own. Like trying to have an intelligent thread on how radio deals with political content broadcasting (a.k.a. Talk Radio), trying to nurture this thread along may be like riding herd over the crusades. ;D

I suspect you and I share a concept here: Religious broadcasters get the mechanics of broadcasting and the mechanics of "spreading the faith" all tangled up... so it appears.

It is interesting to observe that Catholic broadcasting is on the increase. I don't pick up one of their stations here so I don't know what is their typical content. But almost all other religious broadcasting is carried out by Christian groups that are Evangelical, focused on delivering a "transaction based faith" to the masses.

Well, Duh! you say. But the second half of that thought is seldom stated or pondered by people interested in broadcasting. The Christian groups that are..... what can we use to describe them?... Mainline, traditional, liberal, social-action oriented.... take your choice... have pretty much no, nada, zilch interest in putting money or time or energy into radio broadcasting. They would not be opposed to making some use of the medium, but it is way, way, way down on the priority list.

There does seem to be some variety in religious radio broadcasting, and that is built around interpretation of the religious message, but they all come out of the evangelical mold. And most Evangelicals are not keen on listening to another Evangelical with a different version of the story. And the non-evangelicals have little or no interest in ANY form of the Evangelical story.

So. If you and I and 10 of our close friends were invited to sit down with the FCC or some study committee within the FCC and try to work out a broadcasting policy on what is a reasonable regulatory way to "divvy" up a certain amount of the spectrum for religious broadcasting, what would be our contribution to the conversation?

How much spectrum should be devoted to religious programming. Since our form of government from the get-go was ordered to keep its hands off "established religion", what non-governmental entity is going to play referee and decide when on stream of faith-tradition is hogging to much spectrum at the expense of other streams.... and what is the missing faith-stream has no players that want to form a team?

Religious radio currently works under "The Golden Rule": They who can scratch up the gold to buy the time will be heard.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
How much spectrum should be devoted to religious programming. Since our form of government from the get-go was ordered to keep its hands off "established religion", what non-governmental entity is going to play referee and decide when on stream of faith-tradition is hogging to much spectrum at the expense of other streams.... and what is the missing faith-stream has no players that want to form a team?

Religious radio currently works under "The Golden Rule": They who can scratch up the gold to buy the time will be heard.
I'm not saying that these spectrum hogs should be forced off the air or regulated in any other fashion not done to other broadcasters, at all. I'm just questioning the wisdom of rebroadcasting what amounts to niche programming on a network of tiny stations. At least someone like Salem puts a signal up on one or two stations and aims for broad appeal, or at least a brokerable signal (e.g., WNIV/WLTA). Not everyone cares what's going on at First Fillintheblank Church in the next county over--let alone one out of state. That's what the Internet is for--not to get them off of the public airwaves, but to make a wiser and more cost-effective choice for getting one's Message out.

In my experience a lot of churches and preachers have an inflated sense of their own importance (vs. the importance of their Message), which leads them to overspend and then hit their flock over the head with an offering plate when times are tough, or develop an Edifice Complex which goads them to build bigger and bigger buildings and campuses for all the wrong reasons. I guess radio spectrum "real estate" and Big Tall Towers are just another kind of Edifice Complex. If you don't think preachers can and do succumb to envy and pride you've got another thing coming.
 
I like the church with the transmitter in the parking lot on Lawrenceville Highway in Lilburn. It's for 92.1, which is a translator for a religious non-comm in North Georgia.
 
I do not understand the direction this thread has gone. WVFJ 93.3 has a large coverage area and is a class C1 with a CP for a class CO. And they play ccm music which is pretty popular and usually gets good ratings if on a good signal in many markets. Instead this thread has turned into a discussion of low power religious stations where a local preacher is preaching some crazy message or some religious stations that are stuck playing old time music lice Toccoa. What does that have to do with WVFJ? Radio Training Network also has mostly strong signals in most cities they are in as well. My question was only why do they need to exchange 4 million between 2 branches of the same tree so to speak between 2 companies owned by the same people. I did not know about Watkins Industries that is interesting. About the only complaint anyone could have with overlap with WVFJ is that WVFJ plays the same format as Salem's the Fish in Atlanta but with a weaker signal. But that is up to them there is no format police here like Canada. WVFJ does cover area's the Fish does not reach however.
 
Rick Rose 2.0 said:
93.3 appears to have been owned by Provident simply because it has been ran commercially and Radio Training Network is non commercial. RTN owns His Radio out of the Carolinas and Joy FM in west central Florida. Now RTN is paying Provident 4 million to pick up the 93.3 signal so i guess that means 93.3 will go listener supported and possibly became a his radio repeater. RTN owns stations in Augusta and Savannah and Dothan that reach chunks of Georgia. They already use voicetracking of RTN talent so i doubt much will change.

They also own KWND 88.3 "The Wind" in Springfield, MO. In the 12+ ratings, it usually finishes either #3 or #4 with only KTTS and KGBX consistently beating it. I don't listen to it, however, and am not familiar with who the announcers are. So, I couldn't tell you if they use other RTN talent to voicetrack the station, though I wouldn't be surprised if they did. I know they were running a Delilah-like program with all Christian music in the evening hours as I've seen several billboards for it. I won't be listening to The Wind anytime soon to find out either because it just switched to all Christmas music through the holiday season.
 
brian.marchand said:
My question was only why do they need to exchange 4 million between 2 branches of the same tree so to speak between 2 companies owned by the same people.

Your question tells me that you are probably not an accountant. Not-For-Profit organizations do have to maintain adequate records that demonstrate to the tax people (IRS primarily) that they are operating within the rules for NFP organizations. And when you get into NFP organizations a large as Provident and Radio Training Network you may be working with banks and other lenders who want to see financial data they can understand. Sometimes a new NFP gets its start-up money as a loan from one of the founding officers. Someday that officer or his/her heirs will want the loan repaid. Without transactions like this one, how does the IRS know the difference between loan repayments and unreasonable personal compensation?

brian.marchand said:
I do not understand the direction this thread has gone.

It has become two threads in one. The original question was simple. Look, a sale. Followed by: Why put a value on such a transfer.

Several people jumped with with an obligatory: I don't like not-for-profits; I don't like religion; and I don't like religion on the radio.

Jabba17 and I took this second thread off in some kind of doctoral thesis on how many kinds of religious broadcasting exist, and who decides which ones get air time.

Sorry of thread number two caused you some anxiety. ;D

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I guess the sale happened, cause 93.3 was playing METAL tonight - it was really shocking lol, just cause I've never heard stuff like that on the radio (and cause I can't think of anything more opposite from Christian AC) - it was pretty intense

This wasn't just Active Rock, it was DEATH METAL :eek:
 
atlantaboy said:
I guess the sale happened, cause 93.3 was playing METAL tonight - it was really shocking lol, just cause I've never heard stuff like that on the radio (and cause I can't think of anything more opposite from Christian AC) - it was pretty intense

This wasn't just Active Rock, it was DEATH METAL :eek:
I take it wasn't AlternaFISH (http://www.alternafishradio.com)?
 
atlantaboy said:
I guess the sale happened, cause 93.3 was playing METAL tonight - it was really shocking lol, just cause I've never heard stuff like that on the radio (and cause I can't think of anything more opposite from Christian AC) - it was pretty intense

This wasn't just Active Rock, it was DEATH METAL :eek:
I'll bet it's their Saturday night alternative Christian music show that they've had on for years. I have it on good word from one of the folks on the inside that not much is gonna change there in terms of music.
 
Wow I guess it must've been the Alternative show - I just can't believe that stuff I heard was Christian (it was one of those screaming satanic-sounding rants songs), but I guess it was lol
 
atlantaboy said:
Wow I guess it must've been the Alternative show - I just can't believe that stuff I heard was Christian (it was one of those screaming satanic-sounding rants songs), but I guess it was lol

The thing is, what makes a song "Christian" is the lyrics, not the tone of the guitars or vocals.
 
Well I think they should have a mix show playing some Christian Booty Bass and Christian electro hip hop and Baltimore Club dance with some Pitbull (sorry, but I figured if there are B98.5 jokes, then that gives me the legal right to provide a dumb joke of my own).  :D
 
To Brian.Marchand -- Jim Campbell does not OWN Provident or Radio Training Network. Provident Broadcasting is a division of Watkins Associated Industries, in Atlanta. Jim is the President of that division. Radio Training Network is Non-Profit 501(C)3 and no one can OWN a non-profit. It is governed by a board of directors and Jim is the President of that organization. So he profits NOTHING. Your post was totally ignorant and without merit.
 
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