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Joe Backer, formerly of WILM, on this week's Radio Racket

Joe was let go in the recent slew of firings at the now former news station owned by Clear Channel, and he's coming on the Racket to talk about the experience. We plan to talk to him about what is was like at the station after CC purchased it from the Hawkins Family, the move to the new building, which was followed by the firings just days later.

Backer has spent a lot of time in Delaware radio, and he says he's ready to talk about everything. This is definitely a don't miss chat! Joe will be with us at the beginning of the show and is ready to take your phone calls. If you can't call in, feel free to e-mail any questions directly to us.

Hope to see you all tomorrow night at 10pm for The Radio Racket!
 
Backer canceled because of the weather. Kyle says he will attempt to reschedule.

After firing most of the news staff (five full timers and all but one part-timer) WILM is advertising for part-timers. The on-air news product sounds very - very - thin. As Brusstar said, the PD reading wire copy sounds very "lonely." One possible solution: Hire part-timers - maybe even some of the people just let go; a common tactic when companies "down-size." Pay them even less (although there is not a lot of room between what WILM did pay and the minimum wage), and don't provide any benefits (more savings there). All you have to do is keep them under 30 hours a week.

Too bad Metro Networks doesn't operate in Wilmington. Then they could fire everybody and out-source the news (just like every station in Philly except KYW). Maybe some entrepreneur could start an outsourced news service? Maybe Sonicset Networks?
 
We should have Joe on sometime in the near future. Not much we could do about that weather on Friday! Plus, we really want to have Joe "in-studio" as opposed to on the phone.

I'll let everyone know when it's rescheduled.
 
Kyle D said:
Plus, we really want to have Joe "in-studio" as opposed to on the phone.

That makes no sense at all.

But then so does insisting these "conversations" be live.

The show was promoted. A lot of people staying at home due to the weather. What's wrong with the phone? Or recorded?

Don't say live is better because people can call/IM questions. Those tend to be pretty lame.
 
It's very simple Fred. George and I prefer to talk to folks face to face.

Plus, neither of us has seen Joe in quite some time and it will be nice to be able to get together with him again.

And yes, since we don't have the ability to conference calls together, we like to have guests with us so they can take calls. You can say the questions are lame all you want, we still like to provide people the opportunity.
 
Re: Joe Backer, formerly of WILM, on this week's Radio Racket - NOT

Sorry, I don't buy it.

Face to face? I thought this was radio, an audio medium.

What's this George and I? When I brought up having Backer on the phone, George said he hadn't thought of that. You were the one who said you preferred in studio.

This face to face business seems fairly recent. Originally, most of the guests were on the phone. Tell the truth. Is this really about all the problems you guys have with phone connections?

You guys talk about your call screener, but I have never once talked to one when I've called. Mostly the calls during guest segments are off topic and flow kills. Some callers clearly have not even been listening to the segment. If you insist on doing guest segments live - live - LIVE, at least screen the calls. Weed out all the hi - how ya doin' - just got home - love the show BS.

On Philly's own "Fresh Air," all segments are recorded (on reel to reel tape), edited (with razor blades) and are NOT face to face (even when the guest is local). Terry Gross reportedly prefers to focus completely on what the guest is saying. Same is true for most talk shows (except the part about reel to reel).

I don't get radio's (and TV's) obsession with live-live-LIVE and face to face on the radio makes even less sense, especially since I can't think of any guests since week one worth looking at (and she was on the phone).

Even granting that you prefer face to face, a telephone guest is better than no guest at all. Again, you had promised this guest and you said you had a large than usual live audience because of the weather. But who cares about the audience? You guys haven't seen Backer in a while.

What's curious is from the jokes and other comments made about Backer on the show, it hasn't even sounded like you guys much liked or respected the guy when you worked with him. Then again, when Fatso showed up live and in person you all did a 180 from what had been said about him before. If RJ came on the show, would you change your tune about him?
 
Face to face? I thought this was radio, an audio medium.

Of course it'a an audio medium Fred. We, when possible, like to be looking at the folks we're talking to. Why is that so hard to understand?

What's this George and I? When I brought up having Backer on the phone, George said he hadn't thought of that. You were the one who said you preferred in studio.

I don't recall George saying that on Friday, but he may very well have done so. We have said consistently on the show that we like to have guests in studio. If Joe had said "let's do it over the phone", we would have done so. He wants to come to the studio, so I told him we would reschedule.

You guys talk about your call screener, but I have never once talked to one when I've called.

Maybe you've only called on nights when Walter wasn't in...

Mostly the calls during guest segments are off topic and flow kills.

You're entitled to your opinion Fred. This is another thing we talk about a lot on the show. On nights when we have guests (whether in-studio or on the phone), our call volume is much, much lower. Again, I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill. If one or two calls from Colonel Bloom (which is who I believe you are alluding to with your comment) equates to "most of the calls during guest segments" being off topic, then, so be it.

If you insist on doing guest segments live - live - LIVE, at least screen the calls. Weed out all the hi - how ya doin' - just got home - love the show BS.

We don't insist on doing stuff "live" Fred, it's pretty much a necessity. The 3 of us have jobs with busy schedules during the week. Unfortunately, this doesn't leave us with any time to record an interview usually. We have done a recorded interview in the past (Jody Mac) and would do it again if time permitted.

This face to face business seems fairly recent. Originally, most of the guests were on the phone. Tell the truth. Is this really about all the problems you guys have with phone connections?

The phones have absolutely nothing to do with it. That's the truth. It is not recent Fred. You're now making things up to support yourself. We have ALWAYS had a guest in person if it's at all possible. Most of the folks we have had on the phone are either in a different part of the country (Rollye), or were "breaking news" type situations (Phil Neuman, Katy Bachman from Media Week about CC & PPM). Others that have been on the phone, like Michael Tozzi, Roger LaMay, Jim McGuinn and Jay Sorenson simply couldn't make it in to the studio, so we gladly accomodated them via the telephone. I always tell the guest that we'd love to have them in studio if it's possible. We always take it from there.

I don't get radio's (and TV's) obsession with live-live-LIVE and face to face on the radio makes even less sense

Again Fred, you're more than welcome to your opinion. We're hardly obsessed about it. If we were, we wouldn't do phone guests.

Even granting that you prefer face to face, a telephone guest is better than no guest at all. Again, you had promised this guest and you said you had a large than usual live audience because of the weather. But who cares about the audience? You guys haven't seen Backer in a while.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Some of our best shows have occurred when we haven't had any guests. Guests are great, but they don't make our show. Guests can often be a compliment to it, but they aren't the only reason we do this show. All 3 of us are broadcasters and are more than capable of being entertaining whether we have a guest or not.

Every single person that tuned in on Friday night had the opportunity to turn us off after we announced that Backer wouldn't be on, and trust me, there was no mass exodus.

Again Fred, with this comment above you have been totally reckless. How could you ever allude to the fact that we don't care about our audience??? I would probably say that there aren't many shows out there that care more for its audience than we do. Be serious. We decided to reschedule a guest, and with all due respect to Joe, it's not like we promised the Pope and didn't deliver.

What's curious is from the jokes and other comments made about Backer on the show, it hasn't even sounded like you guys much liked or respected the guy when you worked with him.

Where do you come off saying that? There was nothing said on Friday night that we haven't said to Joe's face. You are the one that has publicly stated your hatred for him, so I hardly think that Joe is going to believe you over George or I.

Then again, when Fatso showed up live and in person you all did a 180 from what had been said about him before.

I did nothing of the such. I never really had a problem with Allan. Again, anything that I've said about Allan, I've said in front of him. As for George, he has publicly stated that he had wished the chat with Allan had gone differently. He asked many hard questions of Allan, some of which had him squirmming in his seat.

If treating someone with respect is "selling out" in your book, then so be it. We happen to appreciate that "Fatso" took the time to come up to the studio and chat with us. What were we supposed to do, berate him and call him names???

If RJ came on the show, would you change your tune about him?

No.

RJ has an open invitation to come on the show anytime he likes. Unfortunately, to this point he hasn't had the intestinal fortitude to do so, and I doubt he ever will.


Well Fred, your Jeckyl and Hyde act with our show continues. Why you have chosen to harp on the issues contained in this thread, I don't know.
 
If RJ came on the show, would you change your tune about him?

No.

RJ has an open invitation to come on the show anytime he likes. Unfortunately, to this point he hasn't had the intestinal fortitude to do so, and I doubt he ever will.



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I think you mean testicular fortitude.
 
No, I have called on nights when you all have mentioned the call screener was there. One time George said the call screener was pointing at the phone indicating a caller was waiting, but I never spoke to anyone before George picked up. Or are you saying now that there was a call screener when there wasn't?

I wasn't thinking of Colonel Bloom's calls the night Fatso was on, but those would be good examples.

All things being equal, I'd say why not have a guest in studio? To me it doesn't matter much, but it couldn't hurt. Friday night, all things were not equal. Backer flaked out on you, ostensibly because of the weather and instead of a phone appearance, you opted for none at all. Of course, this isn't the first time Backer has been a weather wimp.

And what's the value of getting Backer on (if he agrees again) in two-three-four weeks. By then, the WILM firings are old news. The story is even a little stale now. Like Fatso and his live lines, sometimes it seems like you are picking the low-hanging fruit; booking the obvious and easy-to-get guests.

George said he was going to start caring about the show. Caring about the show implies caring about the audience, and not just having fun yourselves. The definition of a professional broadcaster is not whether he's being paid - it's whether he does the show for the audience, not for his own amusement or artistic self expression. I have always considered you guys professional broadcasters and it is beneath you to act like radio geeks (or "enthusiasts") on some 100 watt community college student radio station.

RJ may have the worst show in radio, and you all should be ashamed of how you treated him when he phoned in - and ever since. Just as you all should be ashamed of the jokes you all have made suggesting Backer is a pedophile. I can't stand the man and even I think that crosses the line. Making that kind suggestion today is like calling somebody a communist in the 50s; it can ruin somebody's life.
 
Doesn't the Radio Racket have its own message board system for conversations like this?

I would prefer that this board be left to real radio and real radio programming discussions - things like what overnight brokered shows on WCOJ people like the least and WPEN carrying independent league women's jai-alai from from Arizona (daylight savings time has screwed up that league!).

:p
 
Backer flaked out on you, ostensibly because of the weather and instead of a phone appearance, you opted for none at all. Of course, this isn't the first time Backer has been a weather wimp.

And again Fred, no one seemed to care. The "hit counter" didn't budge. You are the only one complaining.

As for you calling Joe a "weather wimp", did you try to get around on Friday night? It wasn't easy. Going home at 4am the roads still weren't clear. I live 20 minutes from the studio, Backer lives more than an hour away. I wouldn't have been there on Friday night if I lived that far away either.

And what's the value of getting Backer on (if he agrees again) in two-three-four weeks. By then, the WILM firings are old news. The story is even a little stale now. Like Fatso and his live lines, sometimes it seems like you are picking the low-hanging fruit; booking the obvious and easy-to-get guests.

Sure the story is getting old, but I still think Joe will be an interesting guest to have on the show. If you want to look at it as "low-hanging fruit", that's fine with me Mike.

George said he was going to start caring about the show. Caring about the show implies caring about the audience, and not just having fun yourselves. The definition of a professional broadcaster is not whether he's being paid - it's whether he does the show for the audience, not for his own amusement or artistic self expression. I have always considered you guys professional broadcasters and it is beneath you to act like radio geeks (or "enthusiasts") on some 100 watt community college student radio station.

And how exactly is deciding to reschedule a guest because of weather acting like a "radio geek (or enthusiast) on some 100 watt community college student radio station"??? You've totally lost me...

Also, how does rescheduling a guest show that we don't care about our audience? It seems you're grasping at straws at this point...

RJ may have the worst show in radio, and you all should be ashamed of how you treated him when he phoned in - and ever since.

Again, you're welcome to your opinion, but I totally disagree. RJ is an adult that acted like a complete child on our show, so we've treated him as such. Once again, you're the only one complaining.

as you all should be ashamed of the jokes you all have made suggesting Backer is a pedophile.

THAT IS A BOLD-FACE LIE MIKE, AND YOU KNOW IT!!!

Jokingly referring to someone as "WILM's Children's corespondent" is hardly doing what you've said. Again, we used to joke about that all the time with Joe. He enjoyed covering stories relating to the welfare of Delaware's children.

What you have done here is flat out reckless Mike. You should absolutely be ashamed of yourself.
 
If I am the only one "complaining," that says something about the show's audience. So does all the abject flattery posted online.

You may also recall that in spite of my personal grievances with Mr. Backer, I repeatedly came to his defense on the unmoderated EZ Boards when posters outright called him a pedophile. I said in my posts that such statements were completely baseless, unfounded and unjustified, in addition to being reprehensible and dangerous. In that context, I consider the "children's correspondent" comments (without any qualifying context like you just provided) also irresponsible.

RJ was deliberately provoked on your show last spring and, yes, he lost his temper. And you've been going after the guy ever since. Unlike RJ, you can not say your repeated jibes at his expense were in the heat of the moment. What you're doing with RJ is wrong and not in good taste. If I'm the only one saying so, that is also a sad comment on the cult-like devotion of the member's of your show's circle. I have rarely listened to RJ's talk show or his disco show. But outside of an unspecific reference when he gets what he considers a crank call from one of the Radio Racket circle, I have not heard him return fire at you all. This is a one-sided feud and that only makes him look classy by comparison.

Of course, the hit counter did not budge when Backer didn't show. You had me, instead. ;D

Paste, the Radio Racket does not have it's own message board. Instead it is affiliated with an extreme right-wing board characterized by vicious personal attacks on those with whom a circle of insiders do not agree and censorship of any dissenting viewpoints. This board is Hyde Park in comparison. And Internet radio is radio, as much as satellite radio is radio - audio content, widely disseminated and generally available.
 
This whole argument is so ridiculous.

It snowed on Friday. Backer was to appear in studio. Weather prevented him from showing up. George and Kyle wanted to do the interview in-studio because, in part, they thought it would be good to see him in person. Kyle and Backer will agree on another date to conduct the interview from the Sonicset Building as was originally planned. What's the big friggin' deal? Seriously.

As for RJ, there is no defening the indefensible. The way he behaved on show #2, was completely and unabashedly unprofessional in every sense of the word. Would his hero John Facenda have reacted that way? Very unlikely. RJ is a well known joke inside local media circles, and being a show that caters mainly to local media, we have made him our whipping boy... and we make no bones about it. His idiocy makes for great entertainment.

And Fred, for someone who's crowing about professionalism, you have a funny way of showing it. I think Sam Lit, EB Hawkins and Brian Roberts would all agree.
 
Sam Lit said:
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I will say this for Backer, his career is his own. He doesn't ride his old man's coattails.
And can we be spared your off topic attachments about a certain 50s top 40 jock to every possible post in existence?
 
So it's perfectly acceptable here for someone to publicly, out of thin air, plant the idea that a loving dad and husband (who just lost his job) is a pedophile-- that's deemed to "not be a violation of our TOS"-- yet someone who calls him a "punk", or someone else who says the post is garbage, and "hopefully he'll be banned again" gets deleted... Then when the original offender attacks one of his critics' entire radio career, the victim's response gets deleted while the attack remains... To partially Dr. Johnny Fever, "This is so warped even I'm starting to get it."

Not that it needed to be said, but since we were told to say it here, please be assured that NEVER was such a despicable allegation or suggestion made on the Racket... I wish I could write another dozen paragraphs here in response, but was instructed not to...

Shall I suppose this message too will be shown the cutting room floor?
 
Joe Backer's work was excellent on WILM. With his kind of talent, hopefully he'll be off the beach in short order.
 
George Brusstar said:
So it's perfectly acceptable here for someone to publicly, out of thin air, plant the idea that a loving dad and husband (who just lost his job) is a pedophile-- that's deemed to "not be a violation of our TOS"-- yet someone who calls him a "punk", or someone else who says the post is garbage, and "hopefully he'll be banned again" gets deleted... Then when the original offender attacks one of his critics' entire radio career, the victim's response gets deleted while the attack remains... To partially Dr. Johnny Fever, "This is so warped even I'm starting to get it."

Not that it needed to be said, but since we were told to say it here, please be assured that NEVER was such a despicable allegation or suggestion made on the Racket... I wish I could write another dozen paragraphs here in response, but was instructed not to...

Shall I suppose this message too will be shown the cutting room floor?
To even float that word out there, regardless of who said it first and who's the alleged messenger, is wrong. It doesn't violate Freedom of Speech to exert a little responsibility, common sense and decency. In fact, Freedom of Speech is not an absloute and it comes with a boatload of responsibility.

I am asking the moderator to eliminate this entire thread. That would be the decent thing to do.
 
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