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KDGE and KVIL dual city of license

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Radioman100

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Just curious... How did KDGE and KVIL end up with dual cities of license? KDGE is Fort Worth-Dallas and KVIL is Highland Park-Dallas. I've never seen this anywhere before.

In terms of community issues and such, do they have to do work for both cities of license, or do they just do one or the other?
 
KDGE IS Licensed to FortWorth Texas. Their Offices are located in Dallas. Their Transmitter is on Ceder Hill.
THe reason they say both is because Ceder hill is Between Dallas And Ft.Worth. That and Stations aren't loyal to their Cities anymore.
KVIL is Licensed to HIgland Park. And Says both for the same reason as The Edge
 
Just like Kiss FM is "Denton Dallas Ft Worth", KEOM is Mesquite, etc.
The FCC requires a legal ID contain the call letters followed immediately by the city of license. Most of the stations in the metroplex who's COLs aren't either Dallas or Ft Worth usually add those cities in the ID also - which is perfectly legal when they follow the required info.
 
Last time I was in DFW a couple of years ago, I remember hearing,
buried between spots four and five in the :50 stopset, image voice
extraordinare CVD intoning--

"KLUV-FM Dallas/Fort Worth, an Infinity Broadcasting station."

Dallas being the COL, Fort Worth being the "hanger-on." Now I'll
wait for the ghost of Amon Carter to rise up and smite me. ;D

Other than Infinity now being CBS, I also see that in the interim
KLUV has had the "-FM" suffix surgically removed from their calls
(per the FCC FM Query), so one hopes Charlie is now ID tracking
as "KLUV Dallas..." plus whatever else afterwards.
 
Thanks for the replies guys, but you're all missing the mark a bit and may not have even been aware. I know I wasn't.

Per the FCC's database, the LEGAL city of license for KDGE is Fort Worth-Dallas. Not Fort Worth, not Dallas, Fort Worth-Dallas.

It has two cities in its city of license, and unlike KPLX for example which is legally licensed to Fort Worth and chooses to include Dallas afterward in its ID, KDGE absolutely MUST say KDGE Fort Worth-Dallas to be legal.

Query KDGE or KVIL in the FCC's database. You'll see what I'm talking about.
 
I'm not sure where it stands today, but I do recall that KVIL AM was originally licensed ONLY to Highland Park and the FM to "Highland Park-Dallas". For a time they identified as "KVIL FM and AM Highland Park-Dallas". Wanting to show their "Fort Worth", they had to file with the FCC to allow them to add Fort Worth to their city of license ID, which then became the infamous "KVIL Highland Park, KVIL FM Highland Park, Dallas-Fort Worth". The AM could not get a Fort Worth city of license designation since it could not be heard in Fort Worth!

Back then you weren't able to identify legally with additional cities tagged on immediately after the call letters. It is possible that rule has been relaxed but I do recall that years ago the stations had to be identified by call letters immediately followed by city of license.

This was a point of contention with the FCC for two stations in Dallas in the mid 70's. KLIF used to intro their top of the hour news with "...from Dallas, KLIF news is Now!..." similarly KNUS had a jingle at the same time that was played at the top of the hour that said "...Dalllas!...K-N-U-S!"... Both were told by the FCC they could not run those as legal ID's because the requirement was call letters immediately followed by city of license, not the other way around. To get around it, KLIF had the newsman simply open by saying "..this is news from KLIF Dallas...." I think KNUS just changed the jingle around.
 
Steve Eberhart said:
I'm not sure where it stands today, but I do recall that KVIL AM was originally licensed ONLY to Highland Park and the FM to "Highland Park-Dallas". For a time they identified as "KVIL FM and AM Highland Park-Dallas". Wanting to show their "Fort Worth", they had to file with the FCC to allow them to add Fort Worth to their city of license ID, which then became the infamous "KVIL Highland Park, KVIL FM Highland Park, Dallas-Fort Worth". The AM could not get a Fort Worth city of license designation since it could not be heard in Fort Worth!
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Today, a station can put anything after the legal ID it wants... "KDGE Ft Worth Dallas Houston" is fine, as long as the addtional cities are after the legal ID.

Back then you weren't able to identify legally with additional cities tagged on immediately after the call letters. It is possible that rule has been relaxed but I do recall that years ago the stations had to be identified by call letters immediately followed by city of license.
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Yes, the addition of other cities is relatively new. I can not recall when this was first allowed but it has been the better part of two decades. One of the first notable ones was WGTZ in Eaton OH, a rimshot for Dayton. They IDed as "WFTZ, eaton Dayton alive!"
 
At KDNT in the 1980s, we had a lengthy cart of IDs that mentioned just about every little town in the area as part of the legal ID..."The North Texas Information Authority, AM 1440, KDNT, Denton-Lewisville-Krum" or "Denton-Lewisville-The Colony" or "Denton-Lewisville-Ponder," etc etc etc. There was even one that said, "Denton-Lewisville-Dallas." DENTON was the city of license, period, with no add-ons, extensions, etc.

Steve, I learned to rattle off the "KVIL Highland Park, KVIL FM Highland Park Dallas-Fort Worth" long ago because some jock ran a call-in contest where you could win something if you could repeat that ID word for word!
 
Kiss-FM in the 80's was KTKS Denton, Dallas, Ft. Worth

During the days of Y95, theirs was "KHYI Arlington, Ft. Worth, Dallas.

And when KEOM moved to .5, the ID was breifly KEOM Mesquite, Dallas. I don't know how that got started or why it ended.

R
 
The rule changed sometime in the mid 80s. I was at "KLTV Tyler," and we were able to legally say "KLTV Tyler-Longview." Same with our sister station, "KTRE Lufkin (Nacogdoches)."

For a short time, a radio station IDd as "KTYL Tyler, Longview and Dallas."
 
Do the HD stations have to adhere to the same rules? I noticed that KISS FM says KHKS HD-1 "Denton, Dallas, Fort Worth". However, their HD-2 simply ID's as KHKS HD-2 "Denton-Dallas" but they do say Dallas/Fort Worth's Pride... :-\
 
Once again to clarify.

KDGE's city of license is Fort Worth. Their city of license is also Dallas. In this case, Dallas is not merely a hanger-on, it MUST be said along with Fort Worth.

I fully understand that stations can opt to say pretty much anything they want after their city of license, like KCXZ Dallas, The Moon, and the rest of the known universe.

In this particular case, this particular radio station has two real, legitimate, legal cities of license. They CAN NOT simply ID themselves as KDGE Fort Worth and be legal, Fort Worth MUST be followed by Dallas on this particular station and no other.

Does anyone have the faintest clue what I'm saying here?
 
Yes, I understand, and I don't know why they do it that way.
 
Radioman100 said:
Once again to clarify.

KDGE's city of license is Fort Worth. Their city of license is also Dallas. In this case, Dallas is not merely a hanger-on, it MUST be said along with Fort Worth.

I fully understand that stations can opt to say pretty much anything they want after their city of license, like KCXZ Dallas, The Moon, and the rest of the known universe.

In this particular case, this particular radio station has two real, legitimate, legal cities of license. They CAN NOT simply ID themselves as KDGE Fort Worth and be legal, Fort Worth MUST be followed by Dallas on this particular station and no other.

Does anyone have the faintest clue what I'm saying here?
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I believe most of us do understand what you are asking. The problem is, there's not much supporting evidence to suggest the best answer. For all I know, KTKS & KHYI (as I noted earlier) were in fact licensed to cover all the cities mentioned in their respective ID's.

Fast forward to today, and which city or cities is the current KISS (KHKS) licensed to? Are they licensed to Denton, Dallas, Ft. Worth, or just Denton?

R
 
I thought KDGE was liscensed to Gainsville. By the way, we ID now as KLUV and KLUV HD-1 Dallas Fort Worth. The FCC now requires the HD-1 in the legal ID (or HD2 if that is the case)

This is KLUV and KLUV HD1 Dallas Fort Worth broadcasting in high defination digital audio on 98.7 FM and online on your computer at KLUV.com. A CBS radio station (Sung) North Texas Weather...........
 
KDGE moved to 102.1 in 2000 which was the home of rhythmic oldies Magic 102 which in turn moved to the Gainesville licensed 94.5fm. 102.1 was and is still allocated to Fort Worth.
 
Radioman100 said:
Does anyone have the faintest clue what I'm saying here?
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Why, yes. I understand, since I worked at the former occupant of 102.1, Q102 (KTXQ). Early on the station took advantage of what some called the "Phoenix" rule. Actually it was more of an exception, whereby a station could originate entertainment programming from an "auxiliary" studio in another city while maintaining a "main" studio in their actual city ("community") of license. The precedent was set by a Phoenix area move-in, and in allowing the move the FCC ruled that the station had to originate virtually all of its non-entertainment (public affairs) programming from the main studio back in the original [single] city of license. For a number of years, until the rules about studio location changed, Q102 did just that.

And by the way, there are quite a few stations around the country which have "dual city" ID status. To the south, KBBW 1010 is officially licensed to "Waco-Marlin." One station even has a tri-city ID that goes back quite a number of years: up in Washington, KONA 610's legal ID is "Kennewick-Richland-Pasco."
 
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