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KEIB The Home of Clear Channel Talk Hosts... Not

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Gregg.

I wonder why Clear Channel set up a separate home for its syndicated Talk shows in the LA market, except that several Clear Channel shows are not airing on 1150 or anywhere in LA.

On KEIB, you can hear Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck. Clear Channel wanted KFI to be local all day long and moved Rush to 1150. But several national Premiere/Clear Channel Talk hosts who'd love to have clearance in LA are missing. KEIB is not running America Now with Andy Dean, Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis or The Randi Rhodes Show. So why not in LA?

Clear Channel just gave Rhodes a new contract for the new year, yet she lost her affiliates in NY, LA and SF. OK, she's liberal and you'd say she doesn't fit in with the rest of the KEIB line up. But on Clear Channel's West Palm Beach station, they run her along with Rush.

And why not Andy Dean or Clyde Lewis? Instead KEIB runs non-Clear Channel shows, such as Dave Ramsey and Clark Howard who talk about family finances, not Conservative politics. KEIB also runs America in The Morning with Jim Bohannon, I guess syndicated by Cumulus? They run NBC Sports' Dan Schwartzman, also not a Conservative talker. Does it make sense to call the station Patriot 1150 while running non-Clear Channel Sports and Consumer shows? And they also have Carlos Amezcua and Doc Thompson, who I don't know.

I'm not a big fan of Andy Dean, who sounds like an Alternative Rock DJ doing a Conservative Talk show, peppered with pop culture. Clyde Lewis is similar to Coast to Coast, with conspiracy theories and paranormal topics, mixed with Conservative politics. In NYC, where last year Clear Channel bought WOR, they are running Dean and Lewis, but not Rhodes. So why not KEIB?
 
Maybe they have contracts to ride out with some of the hosts and they'll pick up other CC shows later. But I wouldn't expect Rhodes on that station. Just because someone in Palm Beach doesn't know how to program a station doesn't mean someone in LA would make the same mistake.
 
Gregg. said:
Clear Channel just gave Rhodes a new contract for the new year, yet she lost her affiliates in NY, LA and SF. OK, she's liberal and you'd say she doesn't fit in with the rest of the KEIB line up. But on Clear Channel's West Palm Beach station, they run her along with Rush.
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Randi was a local host in WPB for years before the Air America and syndication period in her career.
 
Gregg. said:
I wonder why Clear Channel set up a separate home for its syndicated Talk shows in the LA market, except that several Clear Channel shows are not airing on 1150 or anywhere in LA.

On KEIB, you can hear Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck. Clear Channel wanted KFI to be local all day long and moved Rush to 1150. But several national Premiere/Clear Channel Talk hosts who'd love to have clearance in LA are missing. KEIB is not running America Now with Andy Dean, Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis or The Randi Rhodes Show. So why not in LA?

Clear Channel just gave Rhodes a new contract for the new year, yet she lost her affiliates in NY, LA and SF. OK, she's liberal and you'd say she doesn't fit in with the rest of the KEIB line up. But on Clear Channel's West Palm Beach station, they run her along with Rush.

And why not Andy Dean or Clyde Lewis? Instead KEIB runs non-Clear Channel shows, such as Dave Ramsey and Clark Howard who talk about family finances, not Conservative politics. KEIB also runs America in The Morning with Jim Bohannon, I guess syndicated by Cumulus? They run NBC Sports' Dan Schwartzman, also not a Conservative talker. Does it make sense to call the station Patriot 1150 while running non-Clear Channel Sports and Consumer shows? And they also have Carlos Amezcua and Doc Thompson, who I don't know.

I'm not a big fan of Andy Dean, who sounds like an Alternative Rock DJ doing a Conservative Talk show, peppered with pop culture. Clyde Lewis is similar to Coast to Coast, with conspiracy theories and paranormal topics, mixed with Conservative politics. In NYC, where last year Clear Channel bought WOR, they are running Dean and Lewis, but not Rhodes. So why not KEIB?
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You really think they will Put Randi Rhodes & Stephanie Miller Both Liberal talk hosts on the same station as Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity all conservative talkers.

Yeah right. that is very anti productive.

That be like having the Hosts on Fox News and the Hosts on MSNBC on the same Cable news outlet.

I could really See Ed Schultz handing it over to Sean Hannity who then hands it over to Al Sharpton handing it over to Bill O'Rielly handing it over to Rachel Maddow handing it over to Megan Kelly.

putting both sides of the table on the same station that doesnt work

that be like Playing Rap music on a Classic Rock station. or Playing Country on a Rap station
 
Except talk radio, including the biggest talkers like WABC, KFI, WSB, WLS, etc. used to do that exact thing. And do very well with it.

Also, they don't "hand over" anything because the shows are syndicated. Rush doesn't know or care if the station he's on follows him with local news, Dave Ramsey, or Randi Rhodes.
 
Not that long ago talk stations would feature liberals and conservatives on the same station and the contrast made for some great radio. A great example was WMCA which featured Bob Grant and Alex Bennett. Later on Bob went to WABC and Joy Behar and Lynn Samuels worked with him. I'm sure KFI and KABC had their balance of conservative and liberal hosts as well, as every major talk station in the country in the pre syndication days before Beck,Rush and Hannity.
 
benale said:
Not that long ago talk stations would feature liberals and conservatives on the same station and the contrast made for some great radio. A great example was WMCA which featured Bob Grant and Alex Bennett. Later on Bob went to WABC and Joy Behar and Lynn Samuels worked with him. I'm sure KFI and KABC had their balance of conservative and liberal hosts as well, as every major talk station in the country in the pre syndication days before Beck,Rush and Hannity.
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People used to ride horses to work, and count with abacuses, too. Like it or not, talk radio is a niche market now. The stations that succeed market to their niche.
 
benale said:
Not that long ago talk stations would feature liberals and conservatives on the same station and the contrast made for some great radio. A great example was WMCA which featured Bob Grant and Alex Bennett.
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So "Not that long ago" means the 70s?

And to the OP, I, along with many I'm sure, have never heard of Andy Dean or Clyde Lewis. But I have heard of and listened to Dave Ramsey and Clark Howard. I don't see how train-wreck talk stations can be successful these days.
 
Clyde Lewis and Ground Zero are heard nightly on KOGO, 600 in San Diego, (beginning at I believe 7:00 pm) and can be heard in most of Southern California.

Andy Dean is heard on several California stations in the San Joaquin Valley according to his website, but in Southern Californisa you have to be within the signal range of KIXW in Apple Valley/Victorvlle. This former Clear Channel owned station is now part of El Dorado broadcasting. The latter owns three FM ststions in the same market plus eleven others in an arc extending from San Luis Obispo to Yuma. http://edbroadcasters.com/radiostations.html
 
Benale remembers when "talk stations would feature liberals and conservatives on the same station." How about at the same time? In January 1999, former KABC morning show co-host Ken Minyard launched a new afternoon talk show with his son, Rick, on KRLA-1110. Ken was liberal and Rick was conservative. Their show lasted until the end of 2000. KRLA then became ESPN affiliate KSPN.
 
Liberals and conservatives were heard on WABC well into the 90's. Thomps, you mention the Minyards. Even now on WABC there is a right and a left winger on the same show on WABC..Curtis Sliwa and Ron Kuby. It makes for exciting radio. With Beck,Limbaugh,Hannity,Savidge,etc,etc.. it's the same old same old.
 
What in the world? Are you seriously suggedting that it might be smart to actually program talk radio to have contrssting viewpoints, sort of like what KFI had back around 1940 in the days of Harrison Holliway?

The next thing I know someone will be advocating mandated segments of news and public interest programming regardless of demogrsphics - and consolidating stations to avoid interference and allow increased power. Oh wait a muinute - that was done before - during the days of the pre-FCC Federal Radio Commission circa 1923. Several stations in Los Angeles were consolidated to become "Radio Central Superstaton KFI." Similar mergers occurred elsewhere. What happened? It led to varous classes of stations, including the 50,000 watt clear channel giants, and the golden age of radio. Hmmmm ... ,
 
At what rating will KEIB be considered successful on it's own merit from an ability to attract an audience? They are a tad more successful in 6+ numbers than the old lib talk. That's not really saying much.
 
joesbucks said:
At what rating will KEIB be considered successful on it's own merit from an ability to attract an audience? They are a tad more successful in 6+ numbers than the old lib talk. That's not really saying much.
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Well, to start with, maybe they can set their sights on KABC?

The launch has been a disappointment, but consider that they did next to no promotion for it and it is on a station with very limited signal, even during the day when they are supposed to be at 50,000 watts. Comparing them to Air America though - Air America was on the same frequency with the same signal issues, but they received boatloads of free publicity and constant cheering from the local press for the three years they were on. That will not be happening for KEIB. Also, KEIB has two other small stations, KRLA and KABC, and three if you still count KFI, that are playing for the essentially the same listener demo, thus they have more competition than Air America had.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
Well, to start with, maybe they can set their sights on KABC?

The launch has been a disappointment, but consider that they did next to no promotion for it and it is on a station with very limited signal, even during the day when they are supposed to be at 50,000 watts. Comparing them to Air America though - Air America was on the same frequency with the same signal issues, but they received boatloads of free publicity and constant cheering from the local press for the three years they were on. That will not be happening for KEIB. Also, KEIB has two other small stations, KRLA and KABC, and three if you still count KFI, that are playing for the essentially the same listener demo, thus they have more competition than Air America had.
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The launch, which really did not even begin to play out until the February book, is certainly not a failure. The shares have more than doubled across the board from the previous format. In 10 AM to 3 PM the numbers are in the mid-1's and now up to about half the level of KFI in just 30 days.

The KEIB signal is hardly "very limited" as it covers 85% of the LA MSA daytime, missing only southern Orange County and the High Desert areas. It's not KFI, but in the LA metro, it's quite competitive.
 
Yes, and KFI "live and local" is holding its own, which means CC has a net gain in the AM market while its FM stations continue to domiate in FM.

Meanwhile Rush has gone onto KTIE in the inland empire and was already on in Victorville/Apple Valley, Ventura, San Diego and Palm Springs so loss of KFI coverage in those areas means nothing. Sean Hannity, Glen Beck and Dave Ramsey never had coverge in most of those markets either locally or from KFI so it is status quo for them.

What will be interesting to me is whether KFI can expand its audience share with the "live and local" approach in cooperation with its expanded news team. The news guys are certainly trying but the hosts seem to till be a bit "unclear on the concept." This past week's obsession with a twitter feed of a male sex organ that slipped into a Denver newscast about a Seattle copter crash is titillating but in my opinion was overdone this past week. Denver and Seattle are not local nor of great interest to the SoCal audience.
 
I think Joesbucks was looking at the issue from a stand alone perspective. At what point does KEIB in a traditional sense become what would be considered a success? More than a 1 share? A 2 share?

Also, I'm not sure about Beck, but Hannity was cleared on KABC and Ramsey was on KFWB. So 2 of those 3 and possibly all three had LA clearance.
 
Yes, KEIB occupies the frequency of one time Los Angeles radio icon KRKD, with transmitter towers overlooking downtown Los Angeles (after being transferred from Inglewood and changing its call sign from KMIC) in 1932. They were only actually used for five years (until 1937) before being moved to Angelus Temple. The station shared the frequency with the Temple's KFSG until 1961, or in other words throughout radio's "golden age."

Angelus Temple was nerve center for the Four Square Gospel Church and was never considered by anyone in that era of being hard to hear! It was the radio voice of the station where Norma Jean Baker (Marilyn Monroe) was baptized and actor Anthony Quinn played in the temple band, according to Jim Hilliker's history of the station:

http://jeff560.tripod.com/kfsg.html

In 1961 Angelus Temple bought KRKD and ran it as a secular station by day with religion at night while using KFSG as call signs on FM. After twenty some years Angelus Temple sold the station and it became KPRZ with a religious format and later KIIS AM. Hardly a frequency no one was listening to! CC bought KISS and kept the call letters for the FM side but converted 1150 to KTLK as part of its effort to popularize Air America on some of its stations.

Here is a series of four photos of the towers, now over eighty years old, and a little history:

http://blogdowntown.com/2011/06/6262-nearing-80-krkds-twin-towers-still-a-landmark

They are fortunately being restored as a landmark even though they'll likely never transmit another word:

http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/...cle_66e4f542-89d6-11e3-b3e2-0019bb2963f4.html
 
DavidEduardo said:
The KEIB signal is hardly "very limited" as it covers 85% of the LA MSA daytime, missing only southern Orange County and the High Desert areas. It's not KFI, but in the LA metro, it's quite competitive.
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And anywhere along the 210 from the 5 all the way to Redlands. Was easier to get KFMB 760 out of San Diego.
 
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