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KFSH Anaheim/Los Angeles music change discovered

> Ahh...the age old "JPM" argument.
>
> The "Jesus Per minute" factor.
>
> Hang on, let me take the stick out of my eye and I'll answer
> that one. =)
>
> But seriously. It's not really any of my business what Salem
> puts in their mix if I'm not on staff there.
>
> They've got their vision and mission that they're fulfilling
> in the way they feel they've been called to it.
>
> So beyond that...the rest of us should just worry about our
> own vision, mission and calling and frankly...stay out of
> it.

Isn't it kind of strange, however, that the FISH staff doesn't read out of the Bible over the air? One way to get more Jesus into the mix.<P ID="signature">______________

Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
 
>
> Isn't it kind of strange, however, that the FISH staff
> doesn't read out of the Bible over the air? One way to get
> more Jesus into the mix.
>

"Jesus in the mix" is a phrase that I see as fundamentally flawed when it comes to formatics and theology. He's a person. Not a cake recipe. Theologically, if you've got Christ in your life...then you've got all of him. Not just his arm or his ears. So if Jesus is in you (or your station) you don't need to "add more of him." He's there. All of him.

Factually, elementally, and theologically I think the problem you have with Salem probably isn't a problem with them needing to get more "Jesus into the mix." I think you probably just prefer more religious rhetoric in your Christian radio. And that's fine. There are more religious-sounding stations out there for people with your taste. However, remember that just because the conversation mentions Jesus more or contains more scripture doesn't necessarily make it a more "Jesus filled" conversation. Some of the most Christ-centered conversations many of us have are rooted in the day to day, completely mundane, or apparently non spiritual. Just because someone mentions Jesus doesn't necessarily make their conversation "Christian".

Now when it comes to reading scripture on the air...well, I guess it depends on what you think your station's mission is.

If you're trying to be an on-air Sunday school or be a station who says their target is "Christians", this could possibly be a good approach.

But I think that groups like Salem have a different philosophy on radio. I don't think Salem is trying "evangelize" the world with their music stations. They don't see themselves as an extension of the church. And that's fine.

Frankly, they're NOT an extension of the church. If a station is owned by a church (as many early CCM's were) then, that station MAY be an extension of that church. But Salem (and many commercial CCM's)have no qualms with the fact that their objective is to be in the business of doing great radio by playing positive music that highly appeals to a specific demographic. And the demographic they're shooting for isn't expressly "Christians." It's Women (Christian or not) aged 25-54.

So your concern with "Getting more Jesus into the mix" is probably not shared by them and others like them. They probably figure that he's already in the mix. Because if you've got any of him...you've got all of him. You may not agree. But they're probably ok with that. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by GaryThompson on 09/08/05 03:33 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Well said.

> > Isn't it kind of strange, however, that the FISH staff
> > doesn't read out of the Bible over the air? One way to
> get
> > more Jesus into the mix.
> >
>
> "Jesus in the mix" is a phrase that I see as fundamentally
> flawed when it comes to formatics and theology. He's a
> person. Not a cake recipe. Theologically, if you're got
> Christ in your life...then you've got all of him. Not just
> his arm or his ears. So if Jesus in you (or your station)
> you don't need to "add more of him." He's there. All of him.
>
>
> Factually, elementally, and theologically I think the
> problem you have with Salem probably isn't a problem with
> them needing to get more "Jesus into the mix." I think you
> probably just prefer more religious rhetoric in your
> Christian radio. And that's fine. There are more
> religious-sounding stations out there for people with your
> taste. However, remember that just because the conversation
> mentions Jesus more or contains more scripture doesn't
> necessarily make it a more "Jesus filled" conversation. Some
> of the most Christ-centered conversations many of us have
> are rooted in the day to day, completely mundane, or
> apparently non spiritual. Just because someone mentions
> Jesus doesn't necessarily make their conversation
> "Christian".
>
> Now when it comes to reading scripture on the air...well, I
> guess it depends on what you think your station's mission
> is.
>
> If you're trying to be an on-air Sunday school or be a
> station who says their target is "Christians", this could
> possibly be a good approach.
>
> But I think that groups like Salem have a different
> philosophy on radio. I don't think Salem is trying
> "evangelize" the world with their music stations. They don't
> see themselves as an extension of the church. And that's
> fine.
>
> Frankly, they're NOT an extension of the church. If a
> station is owned by a church (as many early CCM's were)
> then, that station MAY be an extension of that church. But
> Salem (and many commercial CCM's)have no qualms with the
> fact that their objective is to be in the business of doing
> great radio by playing positive music that highly appeals to
> a specific demographic. And the demographic they're shooting
> for isn't expressly "Christians." It's Women (Christian or
> not) aged 25-54.
>
> So your concern with "Getting more Jesus into the mix" is
> probably not shared by them and others like them. They
> probably figure that he's already in the mix. Because if
> you've got any of him...you've got all of him. You may not
> agree. But they're probably ok with that.
>
 
Kyle_Hojem wrote:
"Isn't it kind of strange, however, that the FISH staff doesn't read out of the Bible over the air? One way to get more Jesus into the mix."

Getting more Jesus into the mix"??? Oh my, how offensive those words must be to the One who endured the Cross so we could KNOW Him...ALL of Him, not just pieces of parts or amounts that make us seem "Godly enough".

If I've got to quote scripture for people to know I'm in love with my Lord, I've got bigger hurdles than running a radio station.

"Jesus into the mix"? :(

I can't even begin to say it better than Gary in his threads. Why did I even try.

I will beg and plead with colleagues and peers AGAIN that we don't use these boards as opportunities to bash Salem or any other station that isn't doing radio the way "you" or "they" or "he/she" thinks it ought to be done.

Why do we keep coming back to these topics? What can they possibly accomplish to us as broadcasters? And what message are we sending those lurking on our little religious board about what is or isn't "correct" Christian radio.
<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
> KFSH (the fish) is a Christian AC station owned by Salem at
> 95.9 FM
>
> COL is Anaheim/Los Angeles
>
> Not that long ago, a woman named Lauren Kitchens said she
> would step down from here position on the morning show
> because she didn't like the way things where headed. Well I
> think I may know why Lauren Kitchens quit the fish. While
> driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on duty
> (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one" referred
> to a song I would think I would never hear on a Christian AC
> station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a sneaking
> suspicion that they are going to start adding secular songs
> into their music mix.
>
> I see from their website that Night Praisin' is now only on
> the weeknights. Weekends from 7pm-12 midnight are now
> listed as FISH music.
>
Was it kyrie? son, a LOT of christian AC's play that tune.
 
> > Ahh...the age old "JPM" argument.
> >
> > The "Jesus Per minute" factor.
> >
> > Hang on, let me take the stick out of my eye and I'll
> answer
> > that one. =)
> >
> > But seriously. It's not really any of my business what
> Salem
> > puts in their mix if I'm not on staff there.
> >
> > They've got their vision and mission that they're
> fulfilling
> > in the way they feel they've been called to it.
> >
> > So beyond that...the rest of us should just worry about
> our
> > own vision, mission and calling and frankly...stay out of
> > it.
>
> Isn't it kind of strange, however, that the FISH staff
> doesn't read out of the Bible over the air? One way to get
> more Jesus into the mix.
>

Another "JPM-esque" school of thought...What is wrong with letting the music do the spiritual talking? here is a station you should check out and listen online to: http://www.977thefire.com/thefire.asx
 
> > > There were actually a few CCM stations that played
> "Kyrie
> > > Eleison" when it first was released, even before it was
> > cool
> > > to play crossover songs. Mark Schultz also did a cover
> of
> >
> > > it on his Song Cinema album, although it was not that
> big
> > of
> > > a hit at Christian radio.
> >
> > This happened to me every time I played a "secular" song
> > that had scriptural content or intent. If the artists had
> a
> > good lifestyle, and the lyrics fit, I played it. You
> > wouldn't believe the hatred I got from some dogmatic
> people
> > over it. It just fueled my determination to play even
> more
> > crossovers. I got really daring and played some
> Collective
> > Soul songs - the audience for the most part loved it and
> > "got it". I even threatened to play "Hold On Loosely" by
> > .38 Special (you will never find a better application of I
>
> > Cor. 13). But I chickened out.
> >
>
> Play a Collective Soul song on a Christian station and I
> would have to protest it. The reason being on the grounds
> that they are not a Christian band.
>

They most certianly are...or were at one time anyway. Besides, if a song has a spiritual message, what DIFFERENCE does it make? Are you a perfectly sinless saint? WE ARE ALL BORN INTO SIN. Get over yourself.
 
>
> I will beg and plead with colleagues and peers AGAIN that we
> don't use these boards as opportunities to bash Salem or any
> other station that isn't doing radio the way "you" or "they"
> or "he/she" thinks it ought to be done.
>
What's the point of this board then? IMO your sentiment helps make this board boring. Can you point me to a more interesting board where people can actually express their opinions about religous broadcasting?

BTW I am a big fan of Salem conservative talk stations. Its disappointing though that the company seems happy with the ratings progress of LA and Milwaukee fish stations.

I apologize if you think this is a rude message. Please just tell me were people can actually give opinions. I will go on my way.
 
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Link wrote:
"IMO your sentiment helps make this board boring. Can you point me to a more interesting board where people can actually express their opinions about religous broadcasting? Please just tell me were people can actually give opinions. I will go on my way."


I'm not sure how my sentiment causes boredom, but then again, to each his own.

I'm not advocating switching boards or moving on. Expressing opinions is great. But then let's just call it that and not hide under some illusion of facilitating better religious radio. Which some posts do.

If the only purpose is to vent. Then can't we at least do some productive venting that points us in a direction and doesn't just spin our wheels?

We circle the same topics thread after thread after thread on this board. We're due for a music vs. teaching thread I imagine any day now.

I would like to see less uneducated opinion and more concrete discussion. Maybe those lurking agree? Maybe those enjoying having a forum to vent their personal frustrations disagree.

Again, to each his own. Personally, I'm bored knowing what I'll find when I come here most days. There are only select posts I even read anymore...

but that is just me...

e<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
My post should have said "getting more OF Jesus into the mix." I reread the post and did make the error. I am sorry.


> Getting more Jesus into the mix"??? Oh my, how offensive
> those words must be to the One who endured the Cross so we
> could KNOW Him...ALL of Him, not just pieces of parts or
> amounts that make us seem "Godly enough".

Once again, see the above
I'm just a bit confused by your statement. I'm not trying to offend anyone here or Jesus Christ by posting these messages. This is what I observe and what is my opinion. Will everyone agree with my opinions? No. I'm sorry if anyone has been offended by these postings.


> If I've got to quote scripture for people to know I'm in
> love with my Lord, I've got bigger hurdles than running a
> radio station.

Other people know that your in love with the Lord by several things, including being an example to other people and to other Christians; plus a Christians' actions toward other non-Christian people. The last thing we want people calling us Christians is the term hypocrite. I can tell you a true story about that, but it does not pertain to radio.

>
> "Jesus into the mix"? :(
>
> I can't even begin to say it better than Gary in his
> threads. Why did I even try.
>
> I will beg and plead with colleagues and peers AGAIN that we
> don't use these boards as opportunities to bash Salem or any
> other station that isn't doing radio the way "you" or "they"
> or "he/she" thinks it ought to be done.

I didn't say I was bashing Salem. I was simply noticing that changes were afoot (or so I thought) at KFSH in Anaheim/Los Angeles. I said nothing about Salem as a whole. Salem as put together some great conservative and Christian talk stations. Two of which we have here in Los Angeles (KRLA, KKLA, KFSH).
The thing about KRLA is that they need more power. I was even an intern on a KRLA program several years ago.


> Why do we keep coming back to these topics? What can they
> possibly accomplish to us as broadcasters? And what message
> are we sending those lurking on our little religious board
> about what is or isn't "correct" Christian radio.

Maybe this is a sign that Salem needs to change something with their Christian AC stations or Christian radio needing to change as a whole? Once again, an observation.<P ID="signature">______________

Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
 
radioelizabeth wrote:
"Why do we keep coming back to these topics? What can they possibly accomplish to us as broadcasters? And what message are we sending those lurking on our little religious board about what is or isn't "correct" Christian radio.

Kyle_Hojem wrote:
"Maybe this is a sign that Salem needs to change something with their Christian AC stations or Christian radio needing to change as a whole? Once again, an observation."


The #1 Religious Broadcasting Company has to change something because some continue to rehash the same complaints over and over on a board?

There is no doubt in my mind that there is a SMALL vocal minority that thinks that Salem's music stations aren't "Christian enough" or don't have enough "Jesus in the mix" or "of Jesus in the mix" (same thing)...it's a discussion without legs. It can't go anywhere.

<P ID="signature">______________
RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
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>
> I'm not sure how my sentiment causes boredom, but then
> again, to each his own.
>
Thank you for responding to my email.
I don't agree with discouraging people from posting opinons. Perhaps that was not what you were doing in the original email. I think that everyone deserves the bandwidth of a opinion within the moderators limits. In regards to creating better discussions, most professionals will not post for competitive and employment reasons. I don't believe that group of people will be available for better discussions.

Some opinons you have expressed.

"The #1 Religious Broadcasting Company has to change something because some continue to rehash the same complaints over and over on a board?"

Is Salem really the #1 CCM company in America today? I suspect EMF may have more listeners to their CCM stations. I don't believe anyone expects that Salem will change their programming because of a message board. I see that you said "#1 religious company" but isn't the original topic really about the ccm format?

"The assumption is that this is the only format that spins remakes? Mediocre and otherwise. EVERY format has them."

Is spinning remakes really that common in CCM stations other than the Salem ones? I don't hear them on EMF, or WBGL or the christian college stations I listen to. I understand the fish and song seem to be doing that. But do the successful fishes (atlanta and dallas) play those songs?

My opinions are different than yours. They may not be correct, but why should they not be aired? I am interested in gaining more information not less from this board.
 
> Kyle_Holjem wrote:
> "I have a sneaking suspicion that they are going to start
> adding secular songs into their music mix."
>
>
>
> Secular: Not religious.
>
> So, I am not exactly sure how a spin or two or three from
> Mr. Mister fits your theory. Fish stations have been playing
> this song for a while.
>
ok young folks...in the 1980s mr mister and simple minds were both played on christian stations. both made the charts. mr mister with kyrie..and simple minds with sanctify yourself...nothing new here...plus we played jon gibson..yo mo be there..(michael mcdonald)<P ID="signature">______________
note to tvland...bring back wkrp!!!</P>
 
secular artists that were at one time on christian radio:

U2
simple minds
mr mister
reo speedwagon (1996)--building the bridge
journey (also 1996)
van morrison
cliff richards
amy grant :)
kathy lee gifford
alice cooper (way fm 1994)
pod



there have been artists that were on both secular and christian stations before. so whats the big deal?






> KFSH (the fish) is a Christian AC station owned by Salem at
> 95.9 FM
>
> COL is Anaheim/Los Angeles
>
> Not that long ago, a woman named Lauren Kitchens said she
> would step down from here position on the morning show
> because she didn't like the way things where headed. Well I
> think I may know why Lauren Kitchens quit the fish. While
> driving home tonight around 11pm on 9/4/05, the DJ on duty
> (or VTer) said "here's and old one." The "old one" referred
> to a song I would think I would never hear on a Christian AC
> station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a sneaking
> suspicion that they are going to start adding secular songs
> into their music mix.
>
> I see from their website that Night Praisin' is now only on
> the weeknights. Weekends from 7pm-12 midnight are now
> listed as FISH music.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
note to tvland...bring back wkrp!!!</P>
 
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> But do the successful fishes (atlanta and dallas) play those songs?>

Yes.
 
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Links wrote:
"In regards to creating better discussions, most professionals will not post for competitive and employment reasons. I don't believe that group of people will be available for better discussions."

Excuse me, but I'm a professional. Although, perhaps that is why I'm yearning for better discussions.

radioelizabeth wrote in response to post on Salem changing how they program:
"The #1 Religious Broadcasting Company has to change something because some continue to rehash the same complaints over and over on a board?"


Link wrote:
"Is Salem really the #1 CCM company in America today? I suspect EMF may have more listeners to their CCM stations. I don't believe anyone expects that Salem will change their programming because of a message board. I see that you said "#1 religious company" but isn't the original topic really about the ccm format?"

Check your facts.

Salem leads in religious radio and to suggest they ought to rethink their programming because a few on a board disagree is nuts. CCM or Talk, we aren't talking about a start-up/mom & pop/college radio station. We are talking about a public owned company with revenues and resources to compete with the big boys. Professional broadcasters who know what they are doing, regardless of what a few of these threads presume.


"Is spinning remakes really that common in CCM stations other than the Salem ones? I don't hear them on EMF, or WBGL or the christian college stations I listen to. "

Um, spinning remakes is done on formats across the board...has been for a long long while...successful stations have been doing it for years.


Links wrote:
"I am interested in gaining more information not less from this board."

Not exactly sure how much "information" you are gaining from this thread.

Which is the point of my post.
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RADIOELIZABETH
Pleasant, Passionate, Persuasive
www.radioelizabeth.com</P>
 
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> > But do the successful fishes (atlanta and dallas) play
> those songs?>
>
> Yes.
>
Thanks for the info. I always assumed they would skip the remakes because of the "heritage" nature of ccm in those markets. I would be interesting to see hourly comparisons between the fishes to see if they are different.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Link on 09/11/05 12:08 AM.</FONT></P>
 
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> Thanks for the info. I always assumed they would skip the
> remakes because of the "heritage" nature of ccm in those
> markets. I would be interesting to see hourly comparisons
> between the fishes to see if they are different.
>

This month Atlanta's Fish turns 5 years old so they do not have the heritage that KLTY Dallas has since they were first launched in the mid-80s. I would say KLTY still offers more gold than the Atlanta Fish since they played many 80s and 90s songs when they were new releases. Atlanta did not have a full signaled CCM until September 2000. We had two suburban signals that played the music but no one gave it 24/7 coverage on a good FM stick until Salem. KLTY had already acheived success before Salem even bought them for years. I remember when KLTY played cross-over Christian country back in the mid 90s. I live in Atlanta and have a FISH and KLTY sticker on my car so KLTY sold me on CCM being a full time viable format when I first listened to it in 1993 and even though it took us 7 more years to get such a quality station here in Atlanta.
 
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>WCRM 103.9 in the Northwest suburbs of chicago in the early 80's was my first taste of CCM. I think the rimshots and part timers have a big impact in a wasteland. I can't even get my current favorite station inside my house (outside of a computer stream). Only listen in the car.
 
The "old one" referred
> to a song I would think I would never hear on a Christian AC
> station. A song by Mr. Mister!! I have a sneaking
> suspicion that they are going to start adding secular songs
> into their music mix.
>
I heard that song years ago on Christian Radio among a few other secular songs. I didn't like it then but then we play 4Him w/ Jon Anderson of "Yes" - which has a very "Yes" sound to it. Everything is getting a little crazy :)
 
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