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KFYI Rebranding To "Fox News Radio 550"?
- Thread starter DToTheJ
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Hey DJ, yep, starting yesterday morning. If you read Joe's comment on this link, I think he's totally right on.
http://www.phoenixairchecks.com/kfyi-changes-their-imaging/
http://www.phoenixairchecks.com/kfyi-changes-their-imaging/
Looks like my "M A Y B E I N 2 0 1 0" post is finally becoming relevant! Look at all the changes and things happening! A lot of action taking place and it's certainly shaking things up on the Phoenix radio dial.
"FAUX not NEWS... Leading the gullible with Rupert Murdoch and the Koch Brothers' money."
Try that one on for truth in advertising.
Try that one on for truth in advertising.
Is Fox News Radio 95.5 in CC's future? We all know it would be a de facto Rush Radio! Will KYOT be the last smooth jazz (or whatever they're now calling the music) station standing? Stay tuned! 
radiobum said:
Exactamente. Because after a short introductory period of simulcasting ("the all-new
95-point-5-50 KFYI...KFYI-dot-com"), we want 550 returned to its rightful place as
55/KOY! (Like that'll ever happen though.
)As the Doc & Nurse Jeff would say - ask the media hut...
"55 In Phoenix - - K - O - Y " sure sounds memorable - -
"55 In Phoenix - - K - O - Y " sure sounds memorable - -
There's plenty of syndicated talkers who'd love to be on in Phoenix on 5~Fifty AM if KFWhyEye moves to 95~Five. But Nurse Jeff and I see the possibility of KGME returning to 5~Fifty and its monster signal. That would allow Kay-Oh-Why to move to 9~Ten, a much better signal than 12~Thirty. But it's only wishful thinking as CC is convinced more vocals is gonna save The Coyote
radiobum said:
I'm not. I like 95.5 and it's been even better lately.
910 KHz. / KGME (KPHO) at Night:
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KGME&service=AM&status=L&hours=N
1230 KHz. / KOY (KRIZ) Day or Night?
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KOY&service=AM&status=L&hours=U
Doc - these coverages must have been done in a lab clean room. They are very optimistic, aren't they? There is so much atmospheric noise that these coverages look like they are sales dept. enhanced.
I was just wondering about your high opinion of the somewhat troublesome 910 AM Channel. In most radio sets the IF circuitry was always 455 KHz. Exactly 1/2 of 910 KHz. The annoying whistle that was created drove dogs to howl...
Can oldiesfan and I please get the rightful occupant back to 550? K-O-Y.
If we are talking lab clean room ideals... let your best dreams take shape. We "oldies" like the Danny Davis radio. It would seem thousands of Sun City and Apache Junction retirees would love 550's KOY musical monster signal. That would be a money maker, wouldn't it?
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KGME&service=AM&status=L&hours=N
1230 KHz. / KOY (KRIZ) Day or Night?
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KOY&service=AM&status=L&hours=U
Doc - these coverages must have been done in a lab clean room. They are very optimistic, aren't they? There is so much atmospheric noise that these coverages look like they are sales dept. enhanced.
I was just wondering about your high opinion of the somewhat troublesome 910 AM Channel. In most radio sets the IF circuitry was always 455 KHz. Exactly 1/2 of 910 KHz. The annoying whistle that was created drove dogs to howl...
Can oldiesfan and I please get the rightful occupant back to 550? K-O-Y.
If we are talking lab clean room ideals... let your best dreams take shape. We "oldies" like the Danny Davis radio. It would seem thousands of Sun City and Apache Junction retirees would love 550's KOY musical monster signal. That would be a money maker, wouldn't it?
fusejockey said:
That 910 AM signal map looks about right, but there’s no way that the AM 1230 map is correct. According to that map, AM 1230 should be coming in like a local down here in Gilbert at night. Instead, most of the time, KOY is a weak signal with interference from other 1230 stations and static. Once you travel outside the Phoenix metro area at night, 1230 KOY is not at all listenable.
I think 910 AM has a much better signal and a move to 910 AM would be a wonderful upgrade for KOY. It is true that KOY should be back on 550, but I think the only way that will happen is if they re-brand KOY into an oldies station that can attract more listeners.
This whole argument about KOY moving to another AM is moot anyway until KFYI makes the jump to FM. I still wonder if all this talk about moving KFYI to 95.5 KYOT is wishful thinking. After all, isn’t KFYI on KNIX HD-2? Wouldn’t they flip 102.5 FM before KYOT? Just a thought! ;D
The IBOC signal of KOY 1230 is pretty good but limited. Still a lot of artifacs. The KFYI IBOC can be heard clearly to Wickenburg and beyond. It would be very logical to put a music oriented station on that 550 signal. It may even be a boost for IBOC AM. Maybe its time to bring back 55 KOY, where it really belongs.
asugeorge1 said:
HD-2? Those 12 people with HD receivers will really enjoy the fake studio audience of the Nearly Bald One
KNIX has far more upside ratings potential than the Coyote, so 102~Five is safe. And as far as moving KayOhWhy back to 5~Fifty, the Nurse and I'll approve the move as long as we can go back in time to the 1970s when playing music on Ancient Modulation worked.
The Radio-Locator maps are quite accurate, if one understands what they are and aren't supposed to be. If R-L says 12~Thirty puts "x" amount of signal over Gilbert at night (2.5 mV/m, in this case), KOY probably really does put that much signal over Gilbert at night.
But...and this is a huge "but"...the R-L maps don't include several other factors that make a huge difference in one's ability to receive a signal. In particular, they don't show you what else is happening on that frequency, and that makes an enormous difference at night, when the skywave picks up on AM.
During the day, after all, KOY (and pretty much every other AM in the valley) has its frequency entirely to itself. Phoenix has the advantage of being a fairly isolated city, geographically; you have to go hundreds of miles to find any other co-channel AMs to most Phoenix signals. The nearest 1230s, if I'm not mistaken, are in Kingman, Safford, Winslow and Las Vegas. During the day, the poor ground conductivity of Arizona means those signals are effectively gone long before they can ever get to Phoenix, so KOY's own signal can go until it peters out of its own accord.
But at night, when the skywave kicks up, all of the hundreds of stations on 1230 are each contributing their 1000 watts to the ambient noise level on that "graveyard" channel. If KOY went off the air, you wouldn't be able to pick out much of any individual station, but they're all in there at low levels, creating a huge noise floor that KOY has to overcome to be heard.
It's possible to calculate just how much signal KOY (or any other station) has to deliver to your receiver at night to be clearly heard over all the incoming skywave interference. This is called the "nighttime interference-free" (NIF) level, and it's an important tool engineers and station owners use to determine what their real-world coverage is at night.
So how bad is it for Kay-Oh-Why? That red line on the Radio-Locator map is the 2.5 mV/m contour, which looks nice on a map but is actually a rather weaker signal than most engineers believe is needed to be clearly heard even by day over the din of all the electrical noise out there now. If Sr. Gleason chimes in here, he'll tell you that an urban AM signal now needs somewhere between 10-15 mV/m to punch through the noise and get listeners...so imagine that inner red contour reduced by half or so to get the real-world daytime useful signal for KOY.
But at night, with all the skywave noise on its "graveyard" channel, 1230 has an even harder task: it has to deliver something in the neighborhood of 30-40 mV/m to shout over the din. That contour, if R-L showed it, would about encompass downtown Phoenix and might get as far as the airport, but that's about it.
Now 5~Fifty, that's a different story! There are far fewer stations operating on 550 at night, and because the Phoenix allocation on that frequency is so old, most of the other 550s in the west (Bakersfield, Craig CO, Corvallis OR and so on) have to use directional antennas to reduce the amount of skywave they send toward Phoenix.
So KFYI not only puts out more signal on its own at night than KOY, but it also has much less incoming interference to overcome. I don't have KFYI's NIF number immediately at hand, but it shouldn't need much more than 2 or 3 mV/m to overcome what minimal nighttime interference comes in via skywave - so that red line on the 550 Radio-Locator map should be just about right in the real world.
Hope that helps...class dismissed!
But...and this is a huge "but"...the R-L maps don't include several other factors that make a huge difference in one's ability to receive a signal. In particular, they don't show you what else is happening on that frequency, and that makes an enormous difference at night, when the skywave picks up on AM.
During the day, after all, KOY (and pretty much every other AM in the valley) has its frequency entirely to itself. Phoenix has the advantage of being a fairly isolated city, geographically; you have to go hundreds of miles to find any other co-channel AMs to most Phoenix signals. The nearest 1230s, if I'm not mistaken, are in Kingman, Safford, Winslow and Las Vegas. During the day, the poor ground conductivity of Arizona means those signals are effectively gone long before they can ever get to Phoenix, so KOY's own signal can go until it peters out of its own accord.
But at night, when the skywave kicks up, all of the hundreds of stations on 1230 are each contributing their 1000 watts to the ambient noise level on that "graveyard" channel. If KOY went off the air, you wouldn't be able to pick out much of any individual station, but they're all in there at low levels, creating a huge noise floor that KOY has to overcome to be heard.
It's possible to calculate just how much signal KOY (or any other station) has to deliver to your receiver at night to be clearly heard over all the incoming skywave interference. This is called the "nighttime interference-free" (NIF) level, and it's an important tool engineers and station owners use to determine what their real-world coverage is at night.
So how bad is it for Kay-Oh-Why? That red line on the Radio-Locator map is the 2.5 mV/m contour, which looks nice on a map but is actually a rather weaker signal than most engineers believe is needed to be clearly heard even by day over the din of all the electrical noise out there now. If Sr. Gleason chimes in here, he'll tell you that an urban AM signal now needs somewhere between 10-15 mV/m to punch through the noise and get listeners...so imagine that inner red contour reduced by half or so to get the real-world daytime useful signal for KOY.
But at night, with all the skywave noise on its "graveyard" channel, 1230 has an even harder task: it has to deliver something in the neighborhood of 30-40 mV/m to shout over the din. That contour, if R-L showed it, would about encompass downtown Phoenix and might get as far as the airport, but that's about it.
Now 5~Fifty, that's a different story! There are far fewer stations operating on 550 at night, and because the Phoenix allocation on that frequency is so old, most of the other 550s in the west (Bakersfield, Craig CO, Corvallis OR and so on) have to use directional antennas to reduce the amount of skywave they send toward Phoenix.
So KFYI not only puts out more signal on its own at night than KOY, but it also has much less incoming interference to overcome. I don't have KFYI's NIF number immediately at hand, but it shouldn't need much more than 2 or 3 mV/m to overcome what minimal nighttime interference comes in via skywave - so that red line on the 550 Radio-Locator map should be just about right in the real world.
Hope that helps...class dismissed!
Scott Fybush said:
Thanks Professor Fybush for that thorough explanation as to why listening to Ancient Modulation at night is not for the faint of heart! Even though Nurse Jeff and I know KayOhWhy struggles to get into Scottsdale after dark, you've given them the benefit of the doubt and reason to think someone actually listens to that noise! A box of donuts and hot coffee await in the Media Hut teachers' lounge. And fyi - your class on Why Lumberyard 14~Forty Can't Stay On At Night in the spring semester is full with a long waiting list.
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