Kid Kraddick/WFMF B.R. on in every La city on LPB DTV

[Emarti]

Yes, while preschoolers are watching Sesame Street they can press the audio button and go to #2audio on your HDTV tuner and hear Kidd Kraddick and WFMF Baton Rouge 24/7 on any LPB DTV-1 channel.

This means Kidd Kraddick and WFMF is being broadcast in cd quality sound on TV stations in Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, Lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge.

It also means that Louisiana Public Broadcasting is airing Clear Channel spots and promos statewide.

LPB-1 is the only DTV station in the state that even has a #2audio channel accessible to viewers.

Public television which relies on viewer contributions and federal funds should not air Clear Channel radio spots. LPB and PBS corporate sponsors should also be informed.

Anyone unhappy with this arrangement may contact LPB and PBS. This week I intend to begin contacting family and religious groups and I invite anyone that feels the same way to spread the word to demand that Louisiana Public Broadcasting cease broadcasting a Clear Channel radio station to all Louisiana cities on their DTV signals.
Correct whatever engineering/technical issues to make it happen.

 

[smashedcd]

i seriously doubt its cd quality. wfmf fm 102 analog isnt even 8 track quality! over processed garbage is what it is! and if the feed going out in hd is over processed also than it will not be cd quality evn if its an hd signal!

 

[mightynine]

Yes, while preschoolers are watching Sesame Street they can press the audio button and go to #2audio on your HDTV tuner and hear Kidd Kraddick and WFMF Baton Rouge 24/7 on any LPB DTV-1 channel.

This means Kidd Kraddick and WFMF is being broadcast in cd quality sound on TV stations in Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, Lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge.

It also means that Louisiana Public Broadcasting is airing Clear Channel spots and promos statewide.

LPB-1 is the only DTV station in the state that even has a #2audio channel accessible to viewers.

Public television which relies on viewer contributions and federal funds should not air Clear Channel radio spots. LPB and PBS corporate sponsors should also be informed.

Anyone unhappy with this arrangement may contact LPB and PBS. This week I intend to begin contacting family and religious groups and I invite anyone that feels the same way to spread the word to demand that Louisiana Public Broadcasting cease broadcasting a Clear Channel radio station to all Louisiana cities on their DTV signals.
Correct whatever engineering/technical issues to make it happen.

I think you really need to get over this.

 

[RFLA]

Basically all they will say is "we are doing what is in an agreement with Louisiana State OEP as WFMF is the primary station of the EAS in the state" and is easiest way to get it to the stations.

BTW here is a link of the EAS info from LPBs own website: http://www.lpb.org/aboutlpb/technology/laeas/index.html

People with sensative ears may complain and LPB might find a way to hide it, but the best bang for the buck in the DTV system is what will be said

RFLA

 

[dicktriccol]

I dared comment on this and Emarti became so enraged that he tried to blast me in two threads b/c I dared question his huffy asertions. This much is true: hdtv penetration in LA is 5% and most folks havent figured out how to access that 2nd audio. If that makes Emarti red faced and angry, then he can blast away, but this is a tempest in a teacup.

 

[Emarti]

This much is true: hdtv penetration in LA is 5% and most folks havent figured out how to access that 2nd audio.

That is not true. By 2009 almost everyone will own at least one HDTV, maybe except for Clear Channel employees and people on SSI. ;D You also don't know that as of now and the rest of this year, the studios are releasing High Definition DVDs and players to grow with the huge, ever increasing demand for HDTVs, which are going down in price. I'm sure you could even afford one of the cheaper ones they sell at Walmart. You don't get it. In less than a year you won't be able to buy a new TV that's not digital--something called a deadline.
Guess you've never heard of LCD monitors either.

Public Televison affliliates broadcasting a Baton Rouge Clear Channel radio station statewide spots and all is an issue that many that $upport LPB and PBS would not agree with. There is a way to resolve this technical issue without screwing up the EAS system.

I have a right to discuss LPB broadcasting WFMF Baton Rouge statewide and don't need the permission of Clear Channel. Yes, I understand why LPB engineers and WFMF or Clear Channel employees wouldn't want LPB to close that audio channel or remove WFMF. Duh?!

You say most people have not figured out how to access that #2audio. You don't know that, you are assuming that everyone who has an HDTV will never hit the audio button--please! Anyone with kids knows they'll hit every button on the remote and that also goes for anyone with the least bit of intelligence that likes to know how to use all the features.

 

[mightynine]

Anyone with kids knows they'll hit every button on the remote and that also goes for anyone with the least bit of intelligence that likes to know how to use all the features.

Oh my goodness! I have WFMF as one of my presets in my car - a child could hit every button and stumble across it! And since there are more people with radios than TVs I think WFMF should be taken off the air - just in case my child could stumble across it!

You keep saying there's a technical way to get the audio off that channel - explain it or move on. Unless I see a :10 spot on a Louisiana Public Broadcasting station promoting the fact that WFMF is available by pressing the audio button, this is, as someone said before, a tempest in a teacup - maybe even a thimble.

 

[Emarti]

Anyone with kids knows they'll hit every button on the remote and that also goes for anyone with the least bit of intelligence that likes to know how to use all the features.

Oh my goodness! I have WFMF as one of my presets in my car - a child could hit every button and stumble across it! And since there are more people with radios than TVs I think WFMF should be taken off the air - just in case my child could stumble across it! That's a stupid comparison, but then again since you are a WFMF fan you have an interest in their success and would not like to see them off LPB's TV stations statewide.

You keep saying there's a technical way to get the audio off that channel - explain it or move on. Is that an order from a Clear Channel/WFMF cheerleader? MAKE ME STOP DISCUSSING IT.
Unless I see a :10 spot on a Louisiana Public Broadcasting station promoting the fact that WFMF is available by pressing the audio button, this is, as someone said before, a tempest in a teacup - maybe even a thimble.

I suspect that your opinion would be shared by Kid Kraddick, Clear Channel sales, promotions and BR programming. So in other words, your opinion and advice mean nothing to me. When I read someone telling me to move on and they have 5 times the number of posts on this website that I do, I ignore them. Yes, I understand how you and CC do not want me to put out this info in the manner that I have. I DON'T CARE.

 

[RFLA]

I think you have more issues with the CC promotions and ads than the actual music content possibly going over the link since LPB is a non-profit.

Kidd Kraddick is formatted to CHR and a/c stations so most of his material is aimed at late teens to thirtysomething females (the ones I figure you would use as a example of being offended)

they could silence it, but putting it over unedited is cheaper than having to get a direct feed from Clear Channel (that is minus the local ads and is usually used for internet streaming)... Plus having the audio on all the time makes sure the link is always on..cheap insurance than some crappy loop tape

Most people couldn't figure out how to find audio 2 on a TV cause most can't read the instructions to set the clock let alone what is usually a multi step deal (I don't have a DTV but anything like most TVs, it's a bear to get at the menu to turn it on)

If it was the all porn station like in California, I would agree 100%, but with the same music as FMF in all major cities in Louisiana (WEZB,KSMB,KRUF,KNOE,KQID,KQLK,KQXY among others) I wouldn't say it will corrupt any young ones

But each person has his own opinion, you have the right to air yours on here as much as I do
But my opinion is this is cheaper in a cash poor state than sat feeding the same info to everyone

RFLA

 

[Emarti]

I think you have more issues with the CC promotions and ads than the actual music content possibly going over the link since LPB is a non-profit.

Well, that's it. It doesn't matter if it's Kidd Kraddick or Big D&Bubba. Clear Channel radio on LPB DTV audio is offensive to the sensibilities of true radio people and having Clear Channel spots and promos airing statewide on PBS affiliates is outrageous.

For those that have said, no one knows how to find it or no one cares... I bet Fort Knox that no one at WFMF or Clear Channel Baton Rouge would be happy if WFMF would suddenly be removed from LPB DTV stations statewide.

Kidd Kraddick is formatted to CHR and a/c stations so most of his material is aimed at late teens to thirtysomething females (the ones I figure you would use as a example of being offended) I just think parents that want their kids to watch a certain educational program shouldn't have to worry about preschoolers flipping over by hitting a button.

they could silence it, but putting it over unedited is cheaper than having to get a direct feed from Clear Channel (that is minus the local ads and is usually used for internet streaming)... Plus having the audio on all the time makes sure the link is always on..cheap insurance than some crappy loop tape

Most people couldn't figure out how to find audio 2 on a TV cause most can't read the instructions to set the clock let alone what is usually a multi step deal (I don't have a DTV but anything like most TVs, it's a bear to get at the menu to turn it on)
Okay, there you go. HDTV IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE MOST TVS--they are easier to operate.
The fact is that most people even in Louisiana can read and I just don't buy the arguement that people are too dumb to operate their TVs.

I discovered the #2audio a few months ago and maybe most people didn't know about it, but since I've started writing about it here, about 200 people have become informed of this situation on this site alone.


If it was the all porn station like in California, I would agree 100%, but with the same music as FMF in all major cities in Louisiana (WEZB,KSMB,KRUF,KNOE,KQID,KQLK,KQXY among others) I wouldn't say it will corrupt any young ones

Kidd Kraddick is too lame to corrupt anyone. I'm just saying that there are some people who would not want their young kids to listen. Believe me, if it was porn on audio 2 it would be an improvement. I don't want any Clear Channel, Entercom, Citadel station or any COMMERCIAL STATION ON PUBLIC BROADCASTING AFFILIATES.

But each person has his own opinion, you have the right to air yours on here as much as I do
But my opinion is this is cheaper in a cash poor state than sat feeding the same info to everyone

LPB is rolling in federal money and viewer contributions. I was visiting LPB Baton Rouge in 1998 and they had their huge HDTV in the lobby. I don't blame Clear Channel one bit for taking advantage of this situation.

The following is aimed at people other than RFLA who don't like what I've said about this topic:

Any so called radio person that makes statements such as " I don't know how to find the audio button" or can't easily figure out advanced settings, shouldn't work in a radio control or production room.

Any radio person who doesn't understand about HD radio or TV is like those people that need "the Video Professor" to learn how to use the mouse on a p.c. They are the same folks who got their first DVD player last Christmas and are upset about the death of VHS.
They obviously haven't seen the majority of radio and TV stations with "Plasma" TV giveaways, including WFMF's current website where you can register to win a HDTV. On top of that, yesterday on CNN there was a scroll which read,"most young women surveyed said they would prefer to receive a plasma TV instead of a diamond necklace." I'm sure that also includes a pearl necklace.

 

[mightynine]

Let's take this from the top, shall we?

For those that have said, no one knows how to find it or no one cares... I bet Fort Knox that no one at WFMF or Clear Channel Baton Rouge would be happy if WFMF would suddenly be removed from LPB DTV stations statewide.[/color]

I'm trying to figure out what they could possibly gain from it. It's not their main source of transmitting the signal - it's not even the secondary method. I'd be willing to bet Fort Knox that most, if not all, of WFMF's P1s have no idea this exists - and won't unless WFMF and LPB promote it. And since that's not the reasoning behind their relationship, I doubt it would happen anytime soon. But if it were, I'd be very unhappy.

Kidd Kraddick is formatted to CHR and a/c stations so most of his material is aimed at late teens to thirtysomething females (the ones I figure you would use as a example of being offended) I just think parents that want their kids to watch a certain educational program shouldn't have to worry about preschoolers flipping over by hitting a button.

I would hope the preschoolers were under their parents' supervision at the time they are watching Sesame Street. If they're not, well, there's a lot of things that preschooler could stumble across by hitting buttons on the TV.

Okay, there you go. HDTV IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE MOST TVS--they are easier to operate.
The fact is that most people even in Louisiana can read and I just don't buy the arguement that people are too dumb to operate their TVs.

I discovered the #2audio a few months ago and maybe most people didn't know about it, but since I've started writing about it here, about 200 people have become informed of this situation on this site alone.
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In terms of listenership, 200 people is less than a drop in the bucket. And how many of those are preschoolers, after all?

Believe me, if it was porn on audio 2 it would be an improvement. I don't want any Clear Channel, Entercom, Citadel station or any COMMERCIAL STATION ON PUBLIC BROADCASTING AFFILIATES.[/color]

Actually, using your argument, complete silence would be an improvement. You just seem to have some sort of deep hate for commerical radio. Maybe they should put an XM or Sirius channel on that audio feed instead and you'll be happy.

LPB is rolling in federal money and viewer contributions. I was visiting LPB Baton Rouge in 1998 and they had their huge HDTV in the lobby. I don't blame Clear Channel one bit for taking advantage of this situation.

Once again - explain EXACTLY how CC is "taking advantage" of anything. If they can't make any money off of this, then what are they "taking advantage" of?

Any so called radio person that makes statements such as " I don't know how to find the audio button" or can't easily figure out advanced settings, shouldn't work in a radio control or production room.

Being adept in one area doesn't make you adept in another. Yes, I know my way around a control room and a production room, but that doesn't mean I can go work at NASA's Mission Control tomorrow. And you're also making a heck of a leap of faith thinking many radio people have any technical skills beyond turning a mic on and off.

On top of that, yesterday on CNN there was a scroll which read,"most young women surveyed said they would prefer to receive a plasma TV instead of a diamond necklace." I'm sure that also includes a pearl necklace.

Also, leave the humor to the pros, ok?

And the dig at my post count? I've been a member of this board longer than you, therefore, I have more posts. Deal with it.

 

[Emarti]

Let's take this from the top, shall we?

For those that have said, no one knows how to find it or no one cares... I bet Fort Knox that no one at WFMF or Clear Channel Baton Rouge would be happy if WFMF would suddenly be removed from LPB DTV stations statewide.[/color]

I'm trying to figure out what they could possibly gain from it.

Anyone who works on the air at WFMF benefits by having their voice broadcast in every city in the state. That's not really difficult to understand. Having Baton Rouge spots and promos airing on TV stations statewide benefits WFMF and Clear Channel Baton Rouge and Kidd Kraddick. If I worked at WFMF I would be thrilled at this arrangement. Common sense.

I would hope the preschoolers were under their parents' supervision at the time they are watching Sesame Street. If they're not, well, there's a lot of things that preschooler could stumble across by hitting buttons on the TV.

Parental supervision during Sesame Street, please. Yes, a preschooler could easily change channels, unless the parents choose to use something called the VCHIP--hello? The #2audio channel wouldn't be blocked by parents unless they block LPB-1.

In terms of listenership, 200 people is less than a drop in the bucket. And how many of those are preschoolers, after all?

None. Since you need things spelled out, here we go: If I was one of the few people last week who knew about WFMF on LPB DTV stations #2audio, then just by posting on this website I have informed at least 200 different individuals, most who work in radio or wish they did. You were someone ignorant about this topic and didn't know about it until this topic appeared. I already know that this website doesn't have a lot of traffic, that's why this isn't the only place this issue is being discussed. You are welcome to chase me around the internet.

Believe me, if it was porn on audio 2 it would be an improvement. I don't want any Clear Channel, Entercom, Citadel station or any COMMERCIAL STATION ON PUBLIC BROADCASTING AFFILIATES.[/color]

Actually, using your argument, complete silence would be an improvement. You just seem to have some sort of deep hate for commerical radio. Maybe they should put an XM or Sirius channel on that audio feed instead and you'll be happy.

My feelings are irrelevant. Silence would be better than WFMF on LPB DTV stations. I don't hate commercial radio--Clear Channel is the worst radio company in America in my opinion. I DON'T WANT EVEN MY FAVORITE COMMERCIAL STATIONS AIRING SPOTS, PROMOS AND PROGRAMMING ON PBS AFFILIATES. No, XM or Sirius would also be unacceptable.

Once again - explain EXACTLY how CC is "taking advantage" of anything. If they can't make any money off of this, then what are they "taking advantage" of?

Again, you need things explained to you: If you worked on-air at WFMF Baton Rouge, you would be happy that you are heard in Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, Lake Charles, Lafayette and on Baton Rouge's PBS station. Name recognition alone is a benefit. Statewide airplay of spots and promos is an additional selling point.
You tell me how going from just Baton Rouge to being heard in every corner of the state is nothing.

Don't tell me that WFMF employees wouldn't care about not being on the #2audio channel. That's b.s. If they were smart, they would want this arrangement as long as possible and would respond the way you do. If you and others think that no one can find this audio channel, then you shouldn't have a problem with having WFMF removed from it. Duh!

Being adept in one area doesn't make you adept in another. Yes, I know my way around a control room and a production room, but that doesn't mean I can go work at NASA's Mission Control tomorrow. And you're also making a heck of a leap of faith thinking many radio people have any technical skills beyond turning a mic on and off.

That's the problem with companies like Clear Channel. They get rid of qualified employees and hire minimum wage cash register Quicky Mart employees to run a board or do production.

Radio people should be intelligent and have technical skills, not everyone takes pride in their ignorance as you do.

Also, leave the humor to the pros, ok?

I only accept criticism from the moderator about my posts, not some CC mouth.

And the dig at my post count? I've been a member of this board longer than you, therefore, I have more posts. Deal with it.

I was just saying that in your first response you said something like get over it, with no explanation why. You were just telling me I should shut up about this topic.

I don't care if you have a trillion posts, you have kept this topic alive longer than it would have been. Post away! I just glad you are not someone intelligent who could refute my posts. I actually want you to keep posting about this subject, you are doing me a favor.;D

 

[mightynine]

For the record, this system is in place for AMBER Alerts, not to provide WFMF audio.

 

[Fieldtech1]

I noticed WFMF on LPB HDs second audio well over a year ago and posted about it on here out of curiousity. No one knew why or cared about it then, so another words its been this way for a good while and is apparently done for a reason.

BTW I can now catch more HDTV Channels OTA than analog channels OTA in Lafayette LA

 

[RFLA]

Most people couldn't figure out how to find audio 2 on a TV cause most can't read the instructions to set the clock let alone what is usually a multi step deal (I don't have a DTV but anything like most TVs, it's a bear to get at the menu to turn it on)
Okay, there you go. HDTV IS NOT ANYTHING LIKE MOST TVS--they are easier to operate.
The fact is that most people even in Louisiana can read and I just don't buy the arguement that people are too dumb to operate their TVs.

I discovered the #2audio a few months ago and maybe most people didn't know about it, but since I've started writing about it here, about 200 people have become informed of this situation on this site alone.

You'd be surprised at the number of people who don't want to learn anything or read... They want the info handed to them.

But I am a technical person but $1000 for a television I barely watch is not worth it to me right now. When the price on the set top boxes comes down, I'll probably get one....

I actually had to look on the internet at a DTV owners manual to see what you said, but I can see how someone can access it.. maybe not the 3 and 4 YO of sessame street but by 5 and 6 I'd say yeah.

I know when stereo first came out on TV, audio was broadcast on the sap channels that used to be a button push is now buried about 3 menus deep on my TV right now I got (which is about a 5YO RCA)

I would have to go research the subchannel technical issues more but wouldn't a fast fix be the eliminate the station from the automatic menus of TVs and force the radio stations to add it manually?


RFLA

 

[smashedcd]

i have 3 tvs..my maint tv cost 138.00 on clearance at wal mart..(25 inch)..and 2 i got for FREE ..i will never pay 1000 bucks for a tv..i have debt.i would rather pay that off than buy a tv that i will never watch. even if it becomes required to watch tv..i will just quit watching tv and go back to just radio..and no i am not kidding..

 

[RFLA]

That price is for the high definition TVs for sale... There is a difference between digital and Hi-def .... Digital allowed the bandwidth for High Definition, but any old TV wil catch the DTV signal with a tuner. All TVs sold by next year are supposed to have Digital receivers in them to catch the DTV signals including the WFMF signal talked about.

Convertors to catch the DTV signal are being sold right now but still over $200 last time I looked. By 2009 the price is expected to be about $50 and most poor people will have those subsidized somehow (there is talk about it, but the extent is unknown at this time). People with cable TV won't have to worry as the cable operator will automatically do it for them but those without the set top boxes will be stuck paying for tv

RFLA

 

[jserigny]

"People with cable TV won't have to worry as the cable operator will automatically do it for them"

Yeah sure! I remember reading some where cable operators are salivating over the bandwith they can gain by taking all the analog cable channels and making them all digital. Also, the revenue they can bring in by forced leasing of boxes to recieve their programming, and the gains on advertising revenue through an accurate ratings system for local cable via the boxes. Of course they also need the bandwith for more high definition channels and ever faster cable modem and telephone services.

 

[RFLA]

What I meant was not having to get a convertor box for the DTV as most are oblivious to the changes already but I agree that the cable companies will try as fast as they can to force people into convertor boxes. But the price of a basic convertor box will have to be cheap as if I remember they are forced to offer a basic package (By the local governments thru the LMA agreements they sign ) to people (mostly right now it's the local channels and the religious/shopping channels for about $15/month) and will be have to be factored into this low blow cable or all channels say above 14 will become DTV.

RFLA

 

[stevenNOLA]

I moved to Houston in March from Lafayette (post K) and Metairie (pre K) and have Time Warner, they recently started simulcasting all channels in digital.  My HDTV cable box has all channels in a digital format and they are
sharp  My bedroom TV is a standard TV and looks like crap compared to the digital channels.
(Yes, I realize we are getting off topic...)

Steven