KLOP-FM 88.1 Mhz CP for Class C Granted/Good rimshot into Sea-Tac area

[Bongwater]

hey sir lawrence....Calvary Chapel is non-denominational....shares a good message when I have attended. down to earth...and good practical stuff that really works good in many lives.......



jj

Thanks JJ.

While I'm not disputing Calvary's message, I'm disputing how it's delivered.

My wife pointed out another thing: "If you get too many of these low power translator stations choking out the local independent Christian stations and they have to be sold or taken off the air and then if the networks become a monopoly over Christian radio, that sets a dangerous precedent for Christianity because I would hope that history has taught us by now what happens when you concentrate too much power in any delivery of religious education. And the worst cults started out with the best intentions......."

Power corrupts. Folks in the radio biz know that painfully well. And everybody suffers for it. Everything starts out innocently enough but as the power gets bigger, so do the temptations and when you see the piles of translator apps these people at the FCC have to deal with, on top of lack of actual educational opportunity to the communities they serve as well as local independent programming, you pretty much get the idea.

Not saying Calvary or EMF are cults, but they really need to cool their jets for one damn minute and just be thankful to The Good Lord for what they've already got because at the rate they're going, I'm starting to worry. Why not focus all that energy into construction of proper radio station buildings and offering the local Christian communities air time instead of doing everything from the top down? Because any inverted triangle points in the same direction in radio.........

 

[crainbebo]

Here are ALL the translators I can pick up in Bothell, WA

88.1: K201AB West Seattle. KPLU translator./ K201EB Everett. Relay of The Effect, formely Air 1, a christian rock network.
88.9: K205DD Bremerton. CSN translator.
89.1: K206DL Granite Falls. CSN translator/ K206CJ Issaquah. KTLW translator.
91.1: K216EN Mt. Vernon. Only picked up once. KPLU translator.
91.9: K220HD Fall City. CSN translator.
92.1: CBU-FM 1 Victoria. CBU-FM translator located in Victoria, BC. Does this count, or is this just a booster station?
94.5: K233BU White Center. Relay of KMIH, formely 104.5, now 88.9.

-crainbebo

 

[mimo]

92.1 isn't considered a translator. The CBC is a network that has pretty much the same programming across the entire country, each station (except for the 40 watt AM repeaters) are considered individual stations. There is some differences in programming on each station on the radio 1 network, depending on the "local" blocks of programming. On the radio 2 network, there is no difference at all. All radio 2 stations are exactly the same 24 hours a day, the only difference is the station ID's which tell you what the city of license is.

 

[w9wi]

92.1: CBU-FM 1 Victoria. CBU-FM translator located in Victoria, BC. Does this count, or is this just a booster station?

Legally, there is no such thing as a "translator" in Canada. (though there are certainly plenty of facilities that are technically identical to U.S. translators)

In the U.S., from a legal standpoint, a radio station has only one transmitter. (well, it might have additional backup transmitters - "auxiliary" facilities - but a license only authorizes one transmitter to operate at a time.) If you can't cover the desired area with a single transmitter, you license one or more "translators" (if they're on different frequencies) and/or "boosters". (if they're on the same frequency as the main transmitter) The translators and boosters have their own separate licenses.

In Canada (and most other countries) a given station may have more than one transmitter. The CBC holds a licence for CBU-FM Vancouver, and that licence authorizes several transmitters - 105.7 Vancouver, 92.1 Victoria, if I recall properly there are a few more.

 

[SeattleObserver]

In Canada (and most other countries) a given station may have more than one transmitter. The CBC holds a licence for CBU-FM Vancouver, and that licence authorizes several transmitters - 105.7 Vancouver, 92.1 Victoria, if I recall properly there are a few more.

Wikipedia to the rescue! They are numbered though, similar to FCC (on-channel) boosters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBU-FM

I guess this is why some of the remote parts of BC and other provinces can't take back their "translators" and switch them to an alternate classical service.

 

[fybush]

In Canada (and most other countries) a given station may have more than one transmitter. The CBC holds a licence for CBU-FM Vancouver, and that licence authorizes several transmitters - 105.7 Vancouver, 92.1 Victoria, if I recall properly there are a few more.

It's so rare that I get a chance to correct Doug...

(Actually, this is more of an amplification than a correction...)

The presence of a suffix number in the callsign usually - but NOT always - indicates that the license is for a "transmitter" rather than for a separate station. I'm pretty sure CBU-FM-1 in Victoria, while it may have started as a transmitter of CBU-FM Vancouver, now holds its own license.

Here's the difference: a transmitter is nothing but a 100% relay of the main station. But a license brings with it both programming commitments - CanCon, talent development payments, logger tapes and all those other quirks of the Canadian system - and the ability to originate programming and to sell separate advertising. Many licensed stations are in practice mostly relays of a bigger station, but with a small amount (as little as a few hours a week, in some cases) of local ads and programs.

In the CBC's particular case, a separate license for CBU-FM-1 (if in fact that's how it's licensed) allows it to run community calendar announcements and weather forecasts specific to Vancouver Island.

I seem to recall that the change from transmitter to separate license status happened around the time CBCV signed on.

 

[Mack Daddy]

Well, your friends at "K-Love" EMF finally received their 84,000 watt Construction Permit to operate a robot Class C station that should punch a nice signal into half of the Seattle-Tacoma Urbanized area. Funny thing, though. They received a waiver to broadcast from.......get this......Santa Rosa, California. What a crock of Sh......... In other words, it's just an 84,000 watt...yes.....you can form the words........Translator. And absolutely no local ownership.

Looks like the facility is maybe at Capitol Peak? South Mountain? It's contingent upon EMF's KSBC, Nile, WA. (NW of Yakima) facility moving from 88.1 to 88.3, which has been approved. Both apps were approved a few days ago, on December 19th, 2008.

Here's the CP: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1136995.pdf

and coverage: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=FM1136995.html

Local FM stations to be hurt in this "move-in" will be KPLU and KCMS. KPLU has a 120 watt FM translator on 88.1 near Port Orchard serving West Seattle and Vashon island. That get's blown up as that translator will be required to be turned off.
KCMS will have a second Christian radio station in the market, though not local. Still, 88.1 KLOP will be problematic to KCMS in this highly competitive radio market.

Here's K-Love's website, "Positive and Encouraging" : http://www.klove.com/

My question to the board: How could the FCC allow an 84,000 watt translator? That's just wrong, very wrong.

I agree there! Total crock of stuff! 84,000 watts is more than many actual stations, that aint no translator!

 

[FMSteve]

Well, all I will say is that I am sick and tired of the out of town satellite-fed religious broadcasters having carte blanche 'round here hiding behind George Bush's evangelical fanatics.

There's a new Sheriff in town and his name Michael Copps, now the acting director of the FCC. A democrat. The battle begins.

Click here: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-288068A1.pdf

 

[bossbill]

You need to remember that the multiple ownership activity got hot and heavy after the passing of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Can't remember who the president was then.

 

[TVradioguru]

There's a new Sheriff in town and his name Michael Copps, now the acting director of the FCC. A democrat. The battle begins.

Hmm.. With all the far more pressing matters involving communications and media, somehow I don't think ownership rules involving the tiny NCE band will appear on the commission radar in the next four, let alone eight years. Dividing up the various analog TV spectrum and auctioning it all off to fill the congressional coffers past this February will be job one.

Perhaps if you all here who are so appalled at the abuse of the allocation and ownership process by groups like K-Love, then I suggest you take up a collection. When you get up to about fifteen million dollars collected, then hire an insider lobby group to lobby various congresspersons, senators, and FCC officials to repeal the existing rules.

Just a thought...

 

[IndigoCoyote]

Well, since most of us don't have 15 large floating around, we just have to take the high road and hope that Copps puts his money where he has staked his rep. I hope FMSteve is right on this one.

NCE FM represents 20 % of the most important band of the audio spectrum, at least in terms of constituents affected. You have to think there would be some love there. Or maybe I am just dreamin'....