KLVS and KSTN-FM Call Letters have Traded Places

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

107.3 KLVS Stockton

99.5 KSTN-FM Citrus Heights.



Is EMF going to sell 99.5?

Is that why it was on the air for a day and then turned off again?

 

[Madmansam]

107.3 KLVS Stockton

99.5 KSTN-FM Citrus Heights.



Is EMF going to sell 99.5?

Is that why it was on the air for a day and then turned off again?

So it seems like EMF owns the KSTN calls? So if 1420 returns to the air they will have to get new calls? Knox must REALLY be turning in his grave.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

107.3 KLVS Stockton

99.5 KSTN-FM Citrus Heights.



Is EMF going to sell 99.5?

Is that why it was on the air for a day and then turned off again?

So it seems like EMF owns the KSTN calls? So if 1420 returns to the air they will have to get new calls? Knox must REALLY be turning in his grave.

You can have the same set call letters on other services (AM/FM/TV/LPTV) with different owners as long as there is consent.

EMF is the license of KSTN-FM 99.5 (Grass Valley LIC) (Citrus Heights CP).

San Joaquin Broadcasting is the licensee of KSTN (AM) 1420 Stockton.

San Joaquin Broadcasting is the licensee of KLVS 107.3 Stockton.

The call letters for 1420 are STILL KSTN. The license STILL EXISTS. The station just isn't on the air at the moment.

 

[BossRadioDJ]

It sounds like the LaRues are just waiting for the paperwork to arrive so they can sign 107.3 over to EMF, divide up the money, and be done with radio entirely.

They may not be getting f-you money for 107.3, but it'll be enough that they can say f-you to radio ... and if there are enough zeroes on the check from EMF, who cares if the AM simply disappears?

 

[amisdead]

I don't understand the hypothesis. The city-grade contours for 99.5 and 107.3 don't even come close to overlapping, why would EMF unload 99.5 just because of 107.3?

If anything, there is a little overlap south of Sacramento with 107.3 and 89.7, but it isn't in highly populated areas.

107.3 is much more of a Bay Area play than a Sacramento play. I would not look for EMF to sell 99.5.

I would look for EMF top build out as many on-channel booster stations in the Bay Area on 107.3 as they can. I also suspect there will be a city-of-license change too.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

I don't understand the hypothesis. The city-grade contours for 99.5 and 107.3 don't even come close to overlapping, why would EMF unload 99.5 just because of 107.3?

If anything, there is a little overlap south of Sacramento with 107.3 and 89.7, but it isn't in highly populated areas.

107.3 is much more of a Bay Area play than a Sacramento play. I would not look for EMF to sell 99.5.

I would look for EMF top build out as many on-channel booster stations in the Bay Area on 107.3 as they can. I also suspect there will be a city-of-license change too.

There's a ton of overlap with 99.5 and 89.7. I wasn't even thinking about 107.3 in the case of redundancy. Although, if you pull an Longley Rice Map, 107.3 puts about 65 db over most of Sacramento.

My thought was...why change the call letters of 99.5 to KSTN-FM, if they were going to keep it? I guess they could flip it to Air1.

I do agree that they could improve coverage of 107.3 in the Bay Area with boosters.

 

[RadioStarOne]

Nearly 144,000 residents of the city of Elk Grove, The residents of Lodi, CA. 62,000, and the nearly 37,000 folks in South Sacramento are solidly covered by these signals 107.3, 89.7 and 99.5 when it comes back on! The distance between Citrus Heights and South Sacramento isn't that great! Perhaps if you lived in the area you would know this. EMF is nothing but a frequency hog plain and simple! Get a real map and look up the mileage and population information! Or do you, and the nitwits at the FCC, all need glasses and reading lessons? One 50,000 watt signal would cover the entire area quite nicely! Give some others a piece of the FM spectrum!

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Nearly 144,000 residents of the city of Elk Grove, The residents of Lodi, CA. 62,000, and the nearly 37,000 folks in South Sacramento are solidly covered by these signals 107.3, 89.7 and 99.5 when it comes back on! The distance between Citrus Heights and South Sacramento isn't that great! Perhaps if you lived in the area you would know this. EMF is nothing but a frequency hog plain and simple! Get a real map and look up the mileage and population information! Or do you, and the nitwits at the FCC, all need glasses and reading lessons? One 50,000 watt signal would cover the entire area quite nicely! Give some others a piece of the FM spectrum!

Who are you talking to? I used to live in the area for years.

I do agree that EMF is redundant. with signals.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Nearly 144,000 residents of the city of Elk Grove, The residents of Lodi, CA. 62,000, and the nearly 37,000 folks in South Sacramento are solidly covered by these signals 107.3, 89.7 and 99.5 when it comes back on! The distance between Citrus Heights and South Sacramento isn't that great! Perhaps if you lived in the area you would know this. EMF is nothing but a frequency hog plain and simple! Get a real map and look up the mileage and population information! Or do you, and the nitwits at the FCC, all need glasses and reading lessons? One 50,000 watt signal would cover the entire area quite nicely! Give some others a piece of the FM spectrum!

Who are you talking to? I lived in the area from 1983-2000.

I do agree that EMF is redundant. with signals.

 

[BossRadioDJ]

In Tom Taylor's terrific column today here on Radio-Info.com:

The FAA hangup goes back to the Spring of 2008. EMF told the FCC that when it built out its facility for 99.5, the Federal Aviation Administrationreported interference with a frequency used by a local airport. The 99.5 was interacting with a second signal to cause "intermodulation."

Nearly a year later, EMF got permission from the FAA to operate 99.5 for just two hours to keep the license valid, then it signed it off.

The whole shebang at http://www.radio-info.com/newsletters/3-taylor-on-radio-info

 

[amisdead]

Nearly 144,000 residents of the city of Elk Grove, The residents of Lodi, CA. 62,000, and the nearly 37,000 folks in South Sacramento are solidly covered by these signals 107.3, 89.7 and 99.5 when it comes back on! The distance between Citrus Heights and South Sacramento isn't that great!

Miles wise it isn't very far, but 99.5 will not serve the communities south of Sacramento and 89.7 will not serve the northern and northeastern communities in the metro, so they are both necessary to fully cover the market. Remember, in real-world listening you need about 70dBu to get clean, consistent signals to indoor radios, which is two-thirds of listening.

EMF is nothing but a frequency hog plain and simple! Get a real map and look up the mileage and population information! Or do you, and the nitwits at the FCC, all need glasses and reading lessons? One 50,000 watt signal would cover the entire area quite nicely! Give some others a piece of the FM spectrum!

I would suspect that given a choice, EMF would gladly exchange 89.7 and 99.5 for a full market Class B like The Eagle's if they could. But who is offering that deal?

Life is too short to be so bitter. Maybe it's time to take a break from radio?

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

Nearly 144,000 residents of the city of Elk Grove, The residents of Lodi, CA. 62,000, and the nearly 37,000 folks in South Sacramento are solidly covered by these signals 107.3, 89.7 and 99.5 when it comes back on! The distance between Citrus Heights and South Sacramento isn't that great!

Miles wise it isn't very far, but 99.5 will not serve the communities south of Sacramento and 89.7 will not serve the northern and northeastern communities in the metro, so they are both necessary to fully cover the market. Remember, in real-world listening you need about 70dBu to get clean, consistent signals to indoor radios, which is two-thirds of listening.

EMF is nothing but a frequency hog plain and simple! Get a real map and look up the mileage and population information! Or do you, and the nitwits at the FCC, all need glasses and reading lessons? One 50,000 watt signal would cover the entire area quite nicely! Give some others a piece of the FM spectrum!

I would suspect that given a choice, EMF would gladly exchange 89.7 and 99.5 for a full market Class B like The Eagle's if they could. But who is offering that deal?

Life is too short to be so bitter. Maybe it's time to take a break from radio?

Actually, According to the Longly-Rice model. 99.5 is enough for most of the urbanized metro with a 70 dbu. 89.7 is clearly redundant in Sacramento. Perhaps they could use the station for Air1 altohugh they get a 1 share with KARA that uses translators to get a 70 dbu in a couple small places in Sacramento including 93.3 which as far as I know is still operating inside the protected contour of KHLX. BTW: Even with Longly-Rice, KARA does not put a 70 or even a 64 dbu in Sacramento.

I still maintain that if they were going to keep 99.5, why swap the call letters. They could use the money to build more stations and continue to increase the size of their empire.

And why tollerate a sub-par signal for Air1 in Sacramento and have so much redundancy for K-Love with both 89.7 and 99.5.

 

[amisdead]

My thought was...why change the call letters of 99.5 to KSTN-FM, if they were going to keep it? I guess they could flip it to Air1.

I simply can't imagine EMF unloading 99.5. They have no other signals on that side of the market and it would essentially be the flagship station since their headquarters are in Rocklin. They are not in financial distress. In 2008, EMF cleared more than $90 million in revenue with a $23 million profit.

Who is going to offer a premium bid for 99.5?

Perhaps it is easier to swap calls between two stations at the same time and new calls for 99.5 are forthcoming.

 

[amisdead]

And why tollerate a sub-par signal for Air1 in Sacramento and have so much redundancy for K-Love with both 89.7 and 99.5.

That's a fair question, but maybe EMF's thinking is to make sure that every pocket of the metro can hear K-Love on any type of radio. I do think if anything is changing, it will be 89.7 to Air1, but I am not sure even that is a lock.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

And why tollerate a sub-par signal for Air1 in Sacramento and have so much redundancy for K-Love with both 89.7 and 99.5.

That's a fair question, but maybe EMF's thinking is to make sure that every pocket of the metro can hear K-Love on any type of radio. I do think if anything is changing, it will be 89.7 to Air1, but I am not sure even that is a lock.

They don't cover all ends of any metro

 

[bkress]

EMF cleared more than $90 million in revenue with a $23 million profit.

I may be wrong but "PROFIT" on "Non Commerical" stations :-\

 

[amisdead]

I may be wrong but "PROFIT" on "Non Commerical" stations :-\

Profit in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every organization (business, school, charity or even a church) needs to make a profit, in the sense that they take in more money than they spend. You can't spend more money than you make forever. The difference in this case is that a) almost all of that revenue is from charitable contributions (i.e. they are not selling goods or services) and b) EMF is doing this on an enormous scale so the figures are huge.

I'd say EMF does a very good job of honoring their non-commercial licenses, much better than many other non-commercial licensees (specially the mom-and-pops) in that they don't do underwriting announcements that are commercials by another name.

Non-commercial does not mean money-losing.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

I may be wrong but "PROFIT" on "Non Commerical" stations :-\

Profit in and of itself isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every organization (business, school, charity or even a church) needs to make a profit, in the sense that they take in more money than they spend. You can't spend more money than you make forever. The difference in this case is that a) almost all of that revenue is from charitable contributions (i.e. they are not selling goods or services) and b) EMF is doing this on an enormous scale so the figures are huge.

I'd say EMF does a very good job of honoring their non-commercial licenses, much better than many other non-commercial licensees (specially the mom-and-pops) in that they don't do underwriting announcements that are commercials by another name.

Non-commercial does not mean money-losing.

But they completely avoid broadcasting anything local. No Public Affairs programming. At least Family Radio does local public affairs programming.

True, you can turn a profit with a non-profit. Individuals just can't benefit from the profit. The money goes back into the organization. However, EMF has a reputation of giving excellent compensation to the point of the ability of hiring employees away from other stations with ease. Even "God for Profit" Salem doesn't pay that well.

Anyway, EMF is an efficient operator.

 

[bkress]

With all due respect and I do admire what EMF does, I have serious issues dealing with any organizations or individuals that profit from "The Word of God"

this is not the forum to debate the issue's with my idea's about God and these organizations
the bottom line if they indeed made 23 million - It better be taxed then !!

Hey that would solve the the State Budget crisis TAX THE CHURCH'S

 

[DJBigOne]

EMF

I don't have a problem with their message, or their financial situation. Since their studios are 45 minutes from where I live, I would work there. Unfortunately, I think you have to know someone to get in the door. Just sayin'.