KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hour)

[txchipk]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Just yesterday a new sports station was launched in Portland on FM. There seems to be at least one launch of a high-profile FM sports or talk station every month and I believe it will only accelerate going forward. In fact, I have been awaiting the announcement from Cumulus on The Ticket's move to 93.3 for months now.

If ain't broke don't fix it.
Would KTCK moving to 93.3 add more to the 24-27 million a year they are already making on 1310/104.1

I asked this earlier in the thread because with 1310 now at reduced power and 104.1 fairly limited in coverage, will KTCK suffer from people not being able to get it? If enough people have problems getting it, will it cut into their ratings and because of its value, would they want to protect it by moving it to 93.3, especially with KDBN not doing a whole lot?

In general, why move WTOP 1500 Washington DC to WTOP-FM 103.5 or add 100 kw FM simulcasts for WWL 870 New Orleans and KSL 1160 Salt Lake City? There does seem to be some thought about moving programming over to FM of long-time AM powerhouses to keep them powerhouses as the AM band's audience ages and listening declines...

 

[txchipk]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

The rim shots and rural stations make a comfortable living from local advertisers, and could care less whether they show in the ratings from nearby metro areas.

92.1 Hamilton upgrades and moves to Glen Rose and targets Fort Worth

93.7 Healdton OK upgrades and moves to Krum with programming aimed at the D/FW market

94.5 Gainesville abandons targeting the Denton and the Red River counties and shifts to programming towards D/FW in 1987

95.3 Howe signs on in 1994 targeting Sherman/Denison and then sets it sights towards Dallas

95.9 Mineral Wells upgrades and tries to target Fort Worth; now has a more elaborate plan to upgrade further to cover more of the market

96.7 Sherman upgrades and moves to Flower Mound with programming aimed at D/FW

97.7 Durant OK upgrades to 97.5 to target Sherman/Denison and later attempts to be a Collin County local

98.3 Bridgeport upgrades to 100kw and drops Wise Co programming for D/FW

100.7 Bowie upgrades and moves to Highland Village and targets D/FW

101.7 Denison-Sherman upgrades and moves to Azle and targets D/FW

103.3 Commerce upgrades and moves to Allen and targets D/FW

104.1 Sherman upgrades and moves to Sanger and targets suburban Dallas

104.9 Denison upgrades and moves to Pilot Point and targets D/FW

105.7 Stephenville moves to Decatur and targets D/FW

106.5 Muenster upgrades moves to 106.7 and targets D/FW

107.9 Gainesville upgrades and moves to Lewisville and targets D/FW

570 Wichita Falls decades ago moves to Dallas

620 Wichita Falls moves to Plano and targets D/FW

850 Anadarko OK moves almost 200 miles to Carrollton and targets D/FW

910 Sherman moves to Frisco and targets D/FW

940 Belton seeks a move of 150 miles or so to target D/FW

990 Wichita Falls moves to Farmersville and targets D/FW

1120 Mineral Wells moves to 1110 and targets D/FW

1440 Denton upgrades and moves to University Park to reach Dallas

1460 Waco moves to Burleson and targets Fort Worth

1600 Plano moves to Cockrell Hill to cover more of the market

1700 Sherman moves to Richardson and targets D/FW

 

[little1]

Put yourself into the office chair of Lew Dickey or Dan Bennit. If you flip KTCK to 93.3 what do you do with 1310? Put classic rock there? Is there another successful CR station on AM somewhere I don't know about? Because I think it's REAL easy to say "Move the Ticket", it's a lot harder to figure out what you do that replaces the Bone's revenue if you do that.

The Ticket is already one of the top billers, if not #1, in the market, score high in P25-54 and pretty much wins M25-54, etc. If you move it to FM, what do they gain?

And what does Cumulus lose by killing the Bone?

Or to change the focus slightly, anybody notice how well the Eagle did in the last couple of trends? Anybody also notice how much the Edge is down? I think that's called shooting yourself in the foot. Would cumulus be shooting themselves in the same foot by moving KTCK to FM? what do they do with 1310?

 

[little1]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

The rim shots and rural stations make a comfortable living from local advertisers, and could care less whether they show in the ratings from nearby metro areas.

92.1 Hamilton upgrades and moves to Glen Rose and targets Fort Worth
93.7 Healdton OK upgrades and moves to Krum with programming aimed at the D/FW market
94.5 Gainesville abandons targeting the Denton and the Red River counties and shifts to programming towards D/FW in 1987
95.3 Howe signs on in 1994 targeting Sherman/Denison and then sets it sights towards Dallas
95.9 Mineral Wells upgrades and tries to target Fort Worth; now has a more elaborate plan to upgrade further to cover more of the market
96.7 Sherman upgrades and moves to Flower Mound with programming aimed at D/FW
97.7 Durant OK upgrades to 97.5 to target Sherman/Denison and later attempts to be a Collin County local
98.3 Bridgeport upgrades to 100kw and drops Wise Co programming for D/FW
100.7 Bowie upgrades and moves to Highland Village and targets D/FW
101.7 Denison-Sherman upgrades and moves to Azle and targets D/FW
103.3 Commerce upgrades and moves to Allen and targets D/FW
104.1 Sherman upgrades and moves to Sanger and targets suburban Dallas
104.9 Denison upgrades and moves to Pilot Point and targets D/FW
105.7 Stephenville moves to Decatur and targets D/FW
106.5 Muenster upgrades moves to 106.7 and targets D/FW
107.9 Gainesville upgrades and moves to Lewisville and targets D/FW
570 Wichita Falls decades ago moves to Dallas
620 Wichita Falls moves to Plano and targets D/FW
850 Anadarko OK moves almost 200 miles to Carrollton and targets D/FW
910 Sherman moves to Frisco and targets D/FW
940 Belton seeks a move of 150 miles or so to target D/FW
990 Wichita Falls moves to Farmersville and targets D/FW
1120 Mineral Wells moves to 1110 and targets D/FW
1440 Denton upgrades and moves to University Park to reach Dallas
1460 Waco moves to Burleson and targets Fort Worth
1600 Plano moves to Cockrell Hill to cover more of the market
1700 Sherman moves to Richardson and targets D/FW

C'mon ChipK. Don't you understand how the internet is supposed to work? What the HECK are you doing bringing 'facts' into the argument to disprove RBC's unsupported allegation that those stations don't care if they show up in the metro area....

Facts. Actual points. What are you thinking???

 

[Mediafrog+]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

will KTCK suffer from people not being able to get it?

Any word out of KTCK as to a timetable for the tower(s) rebuild?

 

[LibertyNT]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Is this the 107.3 i keep getting?
Man i thought it was a part 15 in my Neighborhood
Defiantly does NOT sound like a professional station
Sounded to me like an IPOD. Lots of dead air too...

 

[LibertyNT]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Put yourself into the office chair of Lew Dickey or Dan Bennit. If you flip KTCK to 93.3 what do you do with 1310? Put classic rock there? Is there another successful CR station on AM somewhere I don't know about? Because I think it's REAL easy to say "Move the Ticket", it's a lot harder to figure out what you do that replaces the Bone's revenue if you do that.

The Ticket is already one of the top billers, if not #1, in the market, score high in P25-54 and pretty much wins M25-54, etc. If you move it to FM, what do they gain?

And what does Cumulus lose by killing the Bone?

Or to change the focus slightly, anybody notice how well the Eagle did in the last couple of trends? Anybody also notice how much the Edge is down? I think that's called shooting yourself in the foot. Would cumulus be shooting themselves in the same foot by moving KTCK to FM? what do they do with 1310?

675 Arrow Classic Rock. Europe

 

[little1]

okay, let me rephrase. Is there a successful classic rock station on AM on this continent? Or at least in this hemisphere?

 

[txchipk]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

okay, let me rephrase. Is there a successful classic rock station on AM on this continent? Or at least in this hemisphere?

I suggested moving KTCK to 93.3 since I'm assuming restoring KTCK's signal is not going to be a quick process. So, if it lost coverage -- and will lose some listeners as a result -- would moving it to 93.3 be the wise thing to do? 1310 could just run Sporting News Network as "KTCK 2" (Cumulus does something similar in San Francisco with KNBR 680/KTCT 1050 "KNBR 2"; WWL 870/105.3 New Orleans does something similar by branding co-owned WWWL 1350 as "WWL on Demand" with syndicated talk and best-of WWL programming). KTCK on 93.3 could pick up listeners who may be listening to KESN out of lack of options (AM signal to weak to get inside office buildings, etc.). Even if there wasn't a big gain in listenership, I would suspect with its demos and heavy spot load, a move to 93.3 and something on 1310 that would draw some a .5 rating would more than offset losing KDBN...

On classic rock on AM (no, I don't think that would work here today), there are a few around...one in New Mexico even (and I think KZZN 1490 Littlefield in West Texas also does classic rock as well). Heck, there are still 2 AM top 40 stations broadcasting today (one in Coos Bay OR and one in Ocean City MD)... So, a few AMs still try music formats that aren't gospel, adult standards, or Spanish-language...

 

[Texaz]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Is this the 107.3 i keep getting?
Man i thought it was a part 15 in my Neighborhood
Defiantly does NOT sound like a professional station
Sounded to me like an IPOD. Lots of dead air too...

Tune the station in on your car and see how long it comes in. That should tell you if it's a part 15 or not. Part 15 fm's won't go much further than 200 ft.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

So, a few AMs still try music formats that aren't gospel, adult standards, or Spanish-language...

KMKI 620 family hits
KSST 1230 oldies
KVSO 1240 oldies
KNTX 1410 oldies

All rim shots, the last three make a comfortable living from local listeners. I haven't listed the country stations that are rim shots, but there are probably half a dozen or more.

 

[little1]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

I suggested moving KTCK to 93.3 since I'm assuming restoring KTCK's signal is not going to be a quick process. So, if it lost coverage -- and will lose some listeners as a result -- would moving it to 93.3 be the wise thing to do?

I don't listen to the bone much, but when I do fly by, they seem to have a decent spot load- I'd be curious to see how they're doing monetarily- because it's entirely possible that we all think they're doing terrible, and that may not be the case.

And as for losing listeners- I saw on one of these boards that the KTCK signal is now actually non-directional (because they're down to 1 tower) but at a lower wattage. So They lose some signal strength. But remember that the VAST majority of listeners are in Dallas, Tarrant Collin and Denton County and the vast majority of listening happens 6a-7p. If they're still putting out a listenable signal to those counties (and I don't seem to have a problem getting them still) what they may be losing is the fringe areas that have few people anyway...

(And if you think those areas are real important, do the math. Approx 5mil in the metro area? a million in dallas, 600K in FW, 300k in Arlington, 250K in Plano, 200 k in Mesquite and Garland, 150K in Grand Prairie, 100K in Lewisville, Mckinney, 75K each in H and E and B (another 225K IOW) and the list goes on, Denton, Mansfield, Southlake, Coppell, Grapevine, rockwall, Sachse, Allen, Frisco, etc etc etc. Contrast that with a couple of thousand here, a couple of thousand there in Van Zandt, Palo Pinto, Navarro counties, etc... odds are there's more people in the average apartment complex in Dallas then in your average small Texas town...)

 

[LibertyNT]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

okay, let me rephrase. Is there a successful classic rock station on AM on this continent? Or at least in this hemisphere?

1300 AM. Never Can Get a Call Letter.
All announcements in Spanish. But it plays English language Classic Rock
I think its in Mexico

 

[txchipk]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

KMKI 620 family hits
KSST 1230 oldies
KVSO 1240 oldies
KNTX 1410 oldies

All rim shots, the last three make a comfortable living from local listeners. I haven't listed the country stations that are rim shots, but there are probably half a dozen or more.

Your previous claim was that all "rim shots and rural stations make a comfortable living from local advertisers, and could care less whether they show in the ratings from nearby metro areas." KMKI, which you listed above, disproves that since they ditched Wichita Falls to move right into D/FW. I also listed, not one, not two, not five, not 10, but more than two dozen other stations that were rural who ditched their local listeners for facilities that cover part of D/FW.

Sure there are a few who are going to stay in rural places...some by choice, some because they can't move into a nearby metro since others have moved ahead of them and there isn't an open slot.

I'm also not sure you have any sort of facts that the owners of rural stations make a comfortable living. When it sold a couple of years ago, KNTX sold for $118k. Since that price would be a combination of assets (land, property, tower, etc.) and value based on its cash flow, I suspect its not generating a whole lot (less than $20k/year based on that price?).

 

[little1]

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I'm also not sure you have any sort of facts that the owners of rural stations make a comfortable living. When it sold a couple of years ago, KNTX sold for $118k. Since that price would be a combination of assets (land, property, tower, etc.) and value based on its cash flow, I suspect its not generating a whole lot (less than $20k/year based on that price?).

There you go again, expecting 'facts' in an internet argument.
But good point. I'm sure someone like DE who follows the buisness side of thing smore closely can tell us more, but the figure that I've often heard quoted was sales are based on a multiplte, usually 10X (+) of cash flow. If that's true, KNTX MIGHT have been making a profit of 11-12 thousand a year or so.

I guess if the owner is paying himself a handsome salary, that PLUS 12K a year in profit might be a comfortable living, but if it's a rural station, I'm betting the owner along with everyone else is out there beating the bushes trying to find more advertisers to keep that 12K a year profit rolling in.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

KMKI, which you listed above, disproves that since they ditched Wichita Falls to move right into D/FW.

Sure there are a few who are going to stay in rural places...some by choice, some because they can't move into a nearby metro since others have moved ahead of them and there isn't an open slot.

Actually, I was replying to another post about stations not playing music.

I am not as cynical as you. I still believe that some of those station owners are in it for the love of the business, for the love of their local communities, and content to make a comfortable living doing so. And the rural populations are richer for it. The three oldies stations I mentioned would probably do quite well if they were to move into the area. As it is, no doubt they have listeners in portions of the area, because the programming is creative, has items of local interest to nearby communities that don't really care about downtown Dallas, and is entertaining.

So, lets make absolutely sure that all DFW stations run IBOC and CRUSH the little suburban and rural stations nearby. KAAM already stomps on KSEO. NO doubt their listenership is down the further south their signal goes. By the time it gets to Plano you have to null KAAM. I don't, and their listeners don't give a ____ about ratings. Stomping on someone's signal is just plain wrong. The rights of those few hundred listeners are just as important as the rights of the thousands of KAAM listeners. KAAM doesn't have the moral right to unilaterally decide "I'm going to jam KSEO because I am in the city and have more listeners".

 

[txchipk]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

So, lets make absolutely sure that all DFW stations run IBOC and CRUSH the little suburban and rural stations nearby. KAAM already stomps on KSEO. NO doubt their listenership is down the further south their signal goes. By the time it gets to Plano you have to null KAAM. I don't, and their listeners don't give a ____ about ratings. Stomping on someone's signal is just plain wrong. The rights of those few hundred listeners are just as important as the rights of the thousands of KAAM listeners. KAAM doesn't have the moral right to unilaterally decide "I'm going to jam KSEO because I am in the city and have more listeners".

So, can you produce just one tiny bit of proof that KSEO had any sort of listenership in Collin County? Arbitron has been rating the area for decades...the ratings data is broken out by geography. What was KSEO's measurable number of listeners anywhere in Collin County before KAAM turned on HD? Or was it none ... and your claim that KSEO's listenership in the Dallas area is "down" is made up?

As has already been established...normal radio listeners only listen to stations they can receive strongly (a point of which you agreed to in the "TWISTER" thread, I might add). KSEO only provides a city grade signal to Sherman and not any farther south. KAAM does not interfere with any of that coverage. So, KSEO is not "jammed" by the "immoral" people running KAAM as the area it is licensed to serve and the area where it has businesses that runs ads on it is still getting its signal.

So, this is another false argument...KAAM is not "jamming" KSEO in the areas KSEO is licensed to serve (Durant, northern Grayson County). You can't "immorally" "jam" a radio station from Plano listeners when no one there was listening to it to begin with.

Also, it's been a while since I even checked (and I guess I shouldn't try since it is "jammed" now), doesn't KSEO still run sports as a format? In your previous hate-filled tirades, you said sports formats were for 'roided-up idiots. Why are you worried about getting KSEO if you are so bitter about anything sports-related? I would think the only thing worse for you to hear would be if its was sports talk about Mexican soccer leagues with country music or R&B beds coming in and out of commercials...

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

So, this is another false argument...KAAM is not "jamming" KSEO in the areas KSEO is licensed to serve (Durant, northern Grayson County). You can't "immorally" "jam" a radio station from Plano listeners when no one there was listening to it to begin with.

Also, it's been a while since I even checked (and I guess I shouldn't try since it is "jammed" now), doesn't KSEO still run sports as a format? In your previous hate-filled tirades, you said sports formats were for 'roided-up idiots. Why are you worried about getting KSEO if you are so bitter about anything sports-related? I would think the only thing worse for you to hear would be if its was sports talk about Mexican soccer leagues with country music or R&B beds coming in and out of commercials...

Nobody I know of listens to KSEO in Collin County. Although the signal is very strong by the time you get to McKinney and North.

KAAM sidebands are audible for at least a couple of hundred miles, more than enough to cause trouble for KSEO in its area of service further North. KAAM doesn't care. They don't have to. They arrogantly spew sidebands without thinking of the stations they are affecting on either side.

KSEO plays contemporary Christian.

 

[CCEX]

Arrbitron rates the market twice a year ... Spring and Fall.

 

[Texaz]

How do they do so?