KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hour)

[dantheman]

Hello All,
I have been picking up the new KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX (Near Bonham, TX) the last few weeks from McKinney to the north to Red River. They are playing test music with no ID at the top of the hour. Signal is strong north of US 380 and US 75 to Sherman, TX. I hope signal be better in McKinney and Collin County. I like the test music. If you are north of McKinney see what you hear on 107.3FM.

Dan-THE-MAN!!
The North Texas Radio MAN!!!

 

[rbrucecarter5]

I have been picking up the new KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX (Near Bonham, TX) the last few weeks from McKinney to the north to Red River. They are playing

Completely obliterated in Plano and Richardson by legal jamming iHash from 107.5 (man I hate this cr@p). What few times the signal did override the jammer, they were optimistically giving Dallas traffic, weather, and commercials. Yeah right - like they have any chance of covering all but the Northern half of Collin County.

 

[txchipk]

I have been picking up the new KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX (Near Bonham, TX) the last few weeks from McKinney to the north to Red River. They are playing

Completely obliterated in Plano and Richardson by legal jamming iHash from 107.5 (man I hate this cr@p). What few times the signal did override the jammer, they were optimistically giving Dallas traffic, weather, and commercials. Yeah right - like they have any chance of covering all but the Northern half of Collin County.

Even if KMVK wasn't running HD, KQDR wouldn't be a Dallas player. It's a class A (163m 2.3 kw) and broadcasting more than 60 miles from Dallas.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Even if KMVK wasn't running HD, KQDR wouldn't be a Dallas player. It's a class A (163m 2.3 kw) and broadcasting more than 60 miles from Dallas.

That would make it only 40 miles from Plano - and an easy catch on a Pioneer Supertuner 3 or Sangean HDT-1X with adaptive IF technology. The new adaptive IF technology changes a lot of rules about what used to be impossible but is now easy. By all accounts, virtually every HD radio uses the chipset with it. And provided there isn't a jamming station operating in the area (harkening back to the cold war era), first adjacents are now the REAL stations between the stations. Something suburban listeners have appreciated for years. Now the technology exists to really do it right.

 

[txchipk]

Even if KMVK wasn't running HD, KQDR wouldn't be a Dallas player. It's a class A (163m 2.3 kw) and broadcasting more than 60 miles from Dallas.

That would make it only 40 miles from Plano - and an easy catch on a Pioneer Supertuner 3 or Sangean HDT-1X with adaptive IF technology. The new adaptive IF technology changes a lot of rules about what used to be impossible but is now easy. By all accounts, virtually every HD radio uses the chipset with it. And provided there isn't a jamming station operating in the area (harkening back to the cold war era), first adjacents are now the REAL stations between the stations. Something suburban listeners have appreciated for years. Now the technology exists to really do it right.

No, suburban listeners haven't been trying to catch first adjacent signals that don't provide anything near a city grade signal. DXers may have appreciated that for years...but 99.99% of the radio listening public is not in the category. In the real world, the reality is the revenue generated by KMKT, KMAD-FM, KOOI, KIKT, KOOI, etc. is a fraction of that of the stations that provide city grade signals over most of the metro area. The reason that it is not even close is that none of those stations have any sort of measurable amount of listeners in the metro area because non-DXers and non-radio hobbyists do not have an interest in listerning to weak, fringe signals of out of town stations. With or without HD on the Cedar Hill facilities, KQDR and those other out-of-market stations will not be players in the Dallas market with their current facilities. If there were people in the suburbs or in the city willing to tolerate weak signals, you wouldn't see the owners of rimshots with much better coverage of the area regularly trying to get the city of Dallas to unload or swap out WRR's 101.1 Cedar Hill facility for one of those signals (i.e. 105.7).

 

[rbrucecarter5]

No, suburban listeners haven't been trying to catch first adjacent signals that don't provide anything near a city grade signal. DXers may have appreciated that for years...but 99.99% of the radio listening public is not in the category. In the real world, the reality is the revenue generated by KMKT, KMAD-FM,

That is still no excuse for arrogant station owners making complete jackasses of themselves by intentionally jamming the signals of their neighbors. If your theory is correct, why are non-music AM stations such as talk and sports so eager to jam the adjacent four frequencies on the dial? They must be afraid of something - like competition!

 

[txchipk]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

No, suburban listeners haven't been trying to catch first adjacent signals that don't provide anything near a city grade signal. DXers may have appreciated that for years...but 99.99% of the radio listening public is not in the category. In the real world, the reality is the revenue generated by KMKT, KMAD-FM,

That is still no excuse for arrogant station owners making complete jackasses of themselves by intentionally jamming the signals of their neighbors. If your theory is correct, why are non-music AM stations such as talk and sports so eager to jam the adjacent four frequencies on the dial? They must be afraid of something - like competition!

"Afraid" of what? There are 31 AM signals covering either Tarrant or Dallas County or both. 21 of them have no measurable amount of listeners. It's 2008, not 1968...new AM signals don't cause anyone to tremble in fear.

Most people do not listen to the AM dial...and most AM stations don't have much in the way of listeners. I think most of the big operators are starting to figure out AM isn't the future which is why you are seeing some big-time AM outlets being moved to FM facilities (i.e. WTOP 1500 Washington to what was WGMS 103.5; KTAR 620 Phoenix to what was KKFR 92.3; KSL 1160 Salt Lake City to 102.7; WWL 870 New Orleans to 105.3; etc.). With the exception of a few stations like KTCK, the AM dial has largely become home to old (55+) audiences or ethnic audiences. I think more operators are becoming more afraid of the future of stations like WBAP as the available pool of audience on the AM dial continues to age and diminish. On that topic, I'm generally surprised KTCK hasn't been moved to 93.3 yet...particularly with the 1310 signal now marginalized by the loss of 3 towers. It's now virtually inaudible at my workplace...the 1700 signal likewise can't cut through all the computers, wiring, electronic noise, and concrete in the building despite the fact the office complex is in its city of license...

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Most people do not listen to the AM dial...and most AM stations don't have much in the way of listeners. I think most of the big operators are starting to figure out AM isn't the future which is why you are seeing some big-time AM outlets being moved to FM facilities (i.e. WTOP 1500 Washington to what was WGMS 103.5; KTAR 620 Phoenix to what was KKFR 92.3; KSL 1160 Salt Lake City to 102.7; WWL 870 New Orleans to 105.3; etc.). With the exception of a few stations like KTCK, the AM dial has largely become home to old (55+) audiences or ethnic audiences. I think more operators are becoming more afraid of the future of stations like WBAP as the available pool of audience on the AM dial continues to age and diminish. On that topic, I'm generally surprised KTCK hasn't been moved to 93.3 yet...particularly with the 1310 signal now marginalized by the loss of 3 towers. It's now virtually inaudible at my workplace...the 1700 signal likewise can't cut through all the computers, wiring, electronic noise, and concrete in the building despite the fact the office complex is in its city of license...

And increasing the level of interference on the AM band is going to help - HOW?!

Hobbling the frequency response for 99.99% of the listeners is going to help - HOW?!

Implementing a system that has absolutely no chance of penetrating buildings is going to help - HOW?!

It seems to me that AM HD is an act of pure desperation, nothing is working, so lets do something - even if it doesn't help anything at all.

I agree that the AM band is all but irrelevant these days. About all it had going for it was propagation outside of the range of FM, nighttime skywave. Now both of those advantages are simultaneously erased - both by an FCC putting too many signals on the dial, and by allowing an interference generating system to erase whatever sound quality was possible on the band. What needed to happen - 25 years ago - was AMAX standards mandated on receivers. We would have some sort of fidelity parity between the bands now, with profitable music formats having a chance on AM. Instead, the useless, anemic FCC at the time refused to act and the band was sabotaged.

I'm glad somebody actually like sports formats - I wondered if anybody would even care less what some beer guzzling ignoramus's thought of a losing or winning team. BOR-RING! To me --- I guess everybody has their own taste. But your favorite station - it is violating the law on 1700. Expanded band is supposed to be C-Quam ONLY. Look it up!

 

[txchipk]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

I'm glad somebody actually like sports formats - I wondered if anybody would even care less what some beer guzzling ignoramus's thought of a losing or winning team. BOR-RING!

Sports stations generate a pile of revenue since the audience they draw is well-educated and affluent, which is why KTCK is one of the top billers in this market and why there has been an explosion in the number of sports stations across the country over the last 10 years. It took about 2 minutes of poking around the Internet to find the latest audience breakdown in detail of each format: http://www.arbitron.com/downloads/radiotoday08.pdf. Sports ranked #2 of all formats in the percentage of listeners holding a college degree. 80% of listeners have attended or graduated from college. The sports format is #1 in the percentage of its listeners in households earning $25k+, $50k+, and $75k+ annually, with 3 out of 4 of its listeners in the $50k+ range and 1 out of 2 in the $75k+ category. Sports audiences also rank #1 in home ownership (81%), and so on.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Sports stations generate a pile of revenue since the audience they draw is well-educated and affluent, which is why KTCK is one of the top billers in this market and why there has been an explosion in the

Whatev - I'm both well educated and affluent, and could give a _____ about steroid body overdose football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and the rest of the cr@p. Total complete bore and waste of time, absolutely nothing noble or of note about it, pure gladiatorial derivation, glorifying the very worst aspects of western civilization.

 

[little1]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Sports stations generate a pile of revenue since the audience they draw is well-educated and affluent, which is why KTCK is one of the top billers in this market and why there has been an explosion in the

Whatev - I'm both well educated and affluent, and could give a _____ about steroid body overdose football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and the rest of the cr@p. Total complete bore and waste of time, absolutely nothing noble or of note about it, pure gladiatorial derivation, glorifying the very worst aspects of western civilization.

WELL, as long as YOU don't like it, you're right, why don't we just take them off the air. :

KTCK is one of the top 2 billers in the market, a Marconi winner, etc etc. It's not like they completely suck. But obviously you haven't figured out to how to detach your personal feelings from quantifiable facts.

I'd LOVE to see people like you in charge of a station: "They're making tons of money, but they're sports, and I don't like sports, let's change the format'.

And the thing that you don't just seem to get- as chipk points out, the VAST VAST majority of listenrs don't care about some rimshot signal. They don't know or care who WBAP or KRLD or KTCK are interfering with, they just want to know where to get Rush Sean and the Stars, where to get the Rangers game, or where to talk sports.

If these rimshots were providing a format that even some people in the metroplex were interested in, they'd at least get enough listenership to make the book. But they don't. So we're complaining about them being "jammed" (legally BTW) why? So all those people that weren't listening to them before will have the chance to not listen to them now?

 

[salemjedi54]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Sports stations generate a pile of revenue since the audience they draw is well-educated and affluent, which is why KTCK is one of the top billers in this market and why there has been an explosion in the

Whatev - I'm both well educated and affluent, and could give a _____ about steroid body overdose football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and the rest of the cr@p. Total complete bore and waste of time, absolutely nothing noble or of note about it, pure gladiatorial derivation, glorifying the very worst aspects of western civilization.

Wow I'm glad that is an OPINION.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

I'd LOVE to see people like you in charge of a station: "They're making tons of money, but they're sports, and I don't like sports, let's change the format'.

And the thing that you don't just seem to get- as chipk points out, the VAST VAST majority of listenrs don't care about some rimshot signal. They don't know or care who WBAP or KRLD or KTCK are interfering with, they just want to know where to get Rush Sean and the Stars, where to get the Rangers game, or where to talk sports.

That type of programming decision usually shows up in Christian radio.

As far as rim shots - you are talking like a downtown dweller. You would be surprised how many first adjacents exist, and how close they are to the area. And there are ten times that many in the densely populated East. If you live in - say McKinney (NOT a small town any more), you are beginnning to get into the area where the going's on in downtown Dallas don't affect you from one day to the next. Sure - you are getting out into the smaller towns, but I am sure folks in places like Anna, Melissa, and Van Alstyne - not to mention McKinney - are listening to what you would call "out of market" stations a substantial amount of time. And they are having to put up with jamming in some cases. It is VERY arrogant of large stations in big cities to simply not care about smaller towns in the area and subject them to jamming, cutting them off from sources of local news and information. Sure - the population of those areas isn't significant, and it is easy to stomp all over their rights - that doesn't make it right. It may be legal, but it is mean spirited and wrong. Stations like WBAP, KLIF, and KRLD throw those blasted sidebands hundreds of miles, and for WHAT? So stupid talk, musical beds, and commercials can be in artifact tainted, synthesized stereo? The cost to the band, and to rural and suburban dwellers is just too high. The AM band is dying, and increased interference and decreased fidelity are driving the final nails in the coffin. The best thing that could happen to the AM band now is a really quick end to IBOC and a return to decent mono fidelity. Another poster on here proved that by a fortunate accident, the very things that make AM radios cheap also makes them wideband, so wideband mono on talk stations would sound great!

 

[little1]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

. If you live in - say McKinney (NOT a small town any more), you are beginnning to get into the area where the going's on in downtown Dallas don't affect you from one day to the next. Sure - you are getting out into the smaller towns, but I am sure folks in places like Anna, Melissa, and Van Alstyne - not to mention McKinney - are listening to what you would call "out of market" stations a substantial amount of time.

Then why doesn't that "substantial" amount of time show up in Arbitron? Unfortunately, it's the only game in town, but Arbitron measures those outlying areas and sorry, there's no listening registering high enough to qualify for inclusion...So on one hand we have a system, broadly accepted throughoutvthe broadcast industry that says there is NOT substantial listening going on to fringe stations in a market, and we have you, with a chip on your shoulder, saying there is...oh, who to believe, who to believe...

The AM band is dying,

The top 2 billing stations in the market are AM stations. Define dying. Because if dying means making money hand over fist, I bet all of us wish we were working for dying stations.

 

[War Of Attrition]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

The top 2 billing stations in the market are AM stations. Define dying. Because if dying means making money hand over fist, I bet all of us wish we were working for dying stations.

Okay, you are a being absurd, if not disingenuous. Obviously WBAP and KTCK are not hurting too badly...yet. But after those two stations, you have KRLD and KLIF and then...not much else in the way of listeners or revenue. Like it falls off of a cliff into a wasteland.

On the other hand, there are at least 17 FM stations in this market that bill at least 10 million a year (most of those bill a lot more than 10).

Have you noticed that you can not buy a portable music player that has an AM radio. They (or in the case of the iPod, the Radio Remote) all have FM, but no AM. It's because they do not exist (not even special order).

Have you noticed that no one under 40 even knows what AM is or how to get there from their FM radio? Seriously, ask you kids (and their friends) what they know or think of AM.

Just yesterday a new sports station was launched in Portland on FM. There seems to be at least one launch of a high-profile FM sports or talk station every month and I believe it will only accelerate going forward. In fact, I have been awaiting the announcement from Cumulus on The Ticket's move to 93.3 for months now.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

there's no listening registering high enough to qualify for inclusion

Well - DUH - numbers from outlying areas are swamped by the numbers from the city. The ratings don't matter to people in the outlying areas - nor to their advertisers. The rim shots and rural stations make a comfortable living from local advertisers, and could care less whether they show in the ratings from nearby metro areas.

As for the AM band dying - I think it has already been said well by the previous poster. I'll add this - while we see incredible advances in technology for FM radio - like adaptive IF bandwidth - AM receiver design is being done as cheaply as possible. Didn't one poster find that all the AM section was in one radio was the equivalent of a crystal set fed into an amplifier? Of course any non-IBOC AM station is going to sound GREAT on a crystal set!

 

[salemjedi54]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

The top 2 billing stations in the market are AM stations. Define dying. Because if dying means making money hand over fist, I bet all of us wish we were working for dying stations.

Okay, you are a being absurd, if not disingenuous. Obviously WBAP and KTCK are not hurting too badly...yet. But after those two stations, you have KRLD and KLIF and then...not much else in the way of listeners or revenue. Like it falls off of a cliff into a wasteland.

On the other hand, there are at least 17 FM stations in this market that bill at least 10 million a year (most of those bill a lot more than 10).

Have you noticed that you can not buy a portable music player that has an AM radio. They (or in the case of the iPod, the Radio Remote) all have FM, but no AM. It's because they do not exist (not even special order).

Have you noticed that no one under 40 even knows what AM is or how to get there from their FM radio? Seriously, ask you kids (and their friends) what they know or think of AM.

Just yesterday a new sports station was launched in Portland on FM. There seems to be at least one launch of a high-profile FM sports or talk station every month and I believe it will only accelerate going forward. In fact, I have been awaiting the announcement from Cumulus on The Ticket's move to 93.3 for months now.

If ain't broke don't fix it.
Would KTCK moving to 93.3 add more to the 24-27 million a year they are already making on 1310/104.1

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Would KTCK moving to 93.3 add more to the 24-27 million a year they are already making on 1310/104.1

I wish they would move to 93.3, so they could sign off 104.1 and I could hear KRBE again!

 

[salemjedi54]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

Would KTCK moving to 93.3 add more to the 24-27 million a year they are already making on 1310/104.1

I wish they would move to 93.3, so they could sign off 104.1 and I could hear KRBE again!

What makes you think they will let go of the 104.1 facility. If I remember correctly, 93.3 and 104.1 were a simulcast at one time for either KKZN or Merge 93.3.net. If you want to listen to KRBE, the try KRBE.com.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Re: KQDR 107.3 Savoy, TX is TESTING with CHR-Top 40 music (No ID's at top of hou

If you want to listen to KRBE, the try KRBE.com.

I definitely will the moment I can get reliable streaming into my car.