KSAZ copy there history from Wikipedia and added it to there own site

[powergate92]

KSAZ history on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSAZ-TV#History
KSAZ history on myfoxphoenix: http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/about_us/station_history/station_history

 

[landtuna]

KSAZ is a Fox O&O. What's the surprise?

 

[dhett]

Normally, that's not a problem. Wikipedia articles are free to copy, however, the copier bears certain responsibilities under the GNU Free Documentation License, under which all Wikipedia articles are published.

I sent KSAZ the following correspondence:

It has been noted that your station history web page is an almost verbatim copy of the history section of your station's Wikipedia article, as existed at the time that your history page was created. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=KSAZ-TV&oldid=264604112). While copying a Wikipedia page is not a violation - on the contrary, it is encouraged - it is also not without responsibility to the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) under which it was published. In short, the GFDL must accompany any copy of a Wikipedia article, even if modified, and the original authors of the article must be credited, which can be done by providing a link to the Wikipedia article. Please see Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights#Reusers.27_rights_and_obligations) for further details.

As a contributor to Wikipedia, and to the KSAZ-TV article in particular, I consider it an honor to have our work used in such a fashion. I only ask that you provide the proper attribution.

Thank you.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

But no mention about the evening of May 28, 1982 in the
history section? (Don't mention Johnny Cash though. ;D)

In the "newscast titles" section near the end, I don't think
they would have run a 'cast branded The Esso Reporter
since Standard Oil NJ was not permitted to use the Esso
name in the midwest/west. Here it was branded as Humble,
then Enco, prior to the current Exxon.

Also, in the 1960s era (and into the 1970s) the KOOLcasts
were branded as The Big News (at 6), Niteline News (at 10),
along with Morningline News (11am/10am).

 

[formeraa]

Normally, that's not a problem. Wikipedia articles are free to copy, however, the copier bears certain responsibilities under the GNU Free Documentation License, under which all Wikipedia articles are published.

I sent KSAZ the following correspondence:

It has been noted that your station history web page is an almost verbatim copy of the history section of your station's Wikipedia article, as existed at the time that your history page was created. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=KSAZ-TV&oldid=264604112). While copying a Wikipedia page is not a violation - on the contrary, it is encouraged - it is also not without responsibility to the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) under which it was published. In short, the GFDL must accompany any copy of a Wikipedia article, even if modified, and the original authors of the article must be credited, which can be done by providing a link to the Wikipedia article. Please see Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights#Reusers.27_rights_and_obligations) for further details.

As a contributor to Wikipedia, and to the KSAZ-TV article in particular, I consider it an honor to have our work used in such a fashion. I only ask that you provide the proper attribution.

Thank you.

Dave --

I had the same thing happen with a shopping mall in Seattle (where I grew up). I wrote the history into the mall's wikipedia site. Within a couple of weeks, it appeared verbatim on the mall's website. While I'm not terribly concerned about a shopping mall copying content, a prominent television news outlet should be much more careful and privy to the rules of citation. Keep us posted on KSAZ's response.

 

[abw2002]

That is so cheesy and unethical to cut/paste from Wikipedia to station's website. :-O Brutal... :-/

 

[dhett]

That is so cheesy and unethical to cut/paste from Wikipedia to station's website. :-O Brutal... :-/

Cheesy? Perhaps - that's in the eye of the beholder. Unethical? Not a chance. Not the cutting and pasting part. Wikipedia, as with any other encyclopedia, is a collection of other people's research. Original research is not only discouraged, it is against policy. Even if a contributor is a subject matter expert, his or her findings should first be published in a reliable source before inclusion in Wikipedia. Of course, that's the standard - it's not always followed - but KSAZ has done no harm to any author by including the text. Where they go afoul is in not attaching the proper licensing to the material and not properly attributing the source. They're in essence claiming the work as their own, which is unethical.

 

[dhett]

I had the same thing happen with a shopping mall in Seattle (where I grew up). I wrote the history into the mall's wikipedia site. Within a couple of weeks, it appeared verbatim on the mall's website. While I'm not terribly concerned about a shopping mall copying content, a prominent television news outlet should be much more careful and privy to the rules of citation. Keep us posted on KSAZ's response.

I got a terse reply from Rod Haberer: "OK - it's on the page now." And the attribution is there with a link to the article as it existed on January 17. Why they didn't see fit to link to the current article is beyond me. Guess they weren't putting too much thought into it. I still don't see the GNU Free Documentation License, though.

 

[Market15Schmifteen]

But the REAL travesties here are the grammatical skills of powergate92..."KSAZ copy there history from Wiki and added it to there own site" ??!!

Shame on you, powergate...you have detention every day this week!

 

[azumanga]

In the "newscast titles" section near the end, I don't think
they would have run a 'cast branded The Esso Reporter
since Standard Oil NJ was not permitted to use the Esso
name in the midwest/west. Here it was branded as Humble,
then Enco, prior to the current Exxon.

And therein lies the problem with Wikipedia -- people can practically put in anything they want, hoping that they wouldn't get caught.

Also in the line of newscast titles on Wikipedia, did you know many Central Time Zone stations had a newscast called "Eleventh Hour News" (no doubt when Johnny Carson was on)? Or that WESH in Orlando had a newscast sponsored by Marlboro Cigarettes that lasted through 1968 (despite the fact that, by then, title sponsorship was passe and cigarettes were proven to wreck your health)?

Yes, they never happened. But there are some that want you to believe that they did.

 

[formeraa]

In the "newscast titles" section near the end, I don't think
they would have run a 'cast branded The Esso Reporter
since Standard Oil NJ was not permitted to use the Esso
name in the midwest/west. Here it was branded as Humble,
then Enco, prior to the current Exxon.

And therein lies the problem with Wikipedia -- people can practically put in anything they want, hoping that they wouldn't get caught.

Also in the line of newscast titles on Wikipedia, did you know many Central Time Zone stations had a newscast called "Eleventh Hour News" (no doubt when Johnny Carson was on)? Or that WESH in Orlando had a newscast sponsored by Marlboro Cigarettes that lasted through 1968 (despite the fact that, by then, title sponsorship was passe and cigarettes were proven to wreck your health)?

Yes, they never happened. But there are some that want you to believe that they did.

Hopefully, most of the errors on wikipedia are due to faulty memories. Certainly, I was proven wrong on another thread on my memory of Seattle newscast start times (I would have sworn on a Bible that I was right, but public records proved me wrong).