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KYW no longer farthest EAST TV/Radio station with a K callsign...

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TXengineer

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Yup,
KYW is no longer the farthest east TV/Radio pair with a K call sign.
A LPTV in Hudson, NY just changed their calls from W21BU to KHVB-LP!
This will make this LPTV the farthest eastern call sign to begin with the letter K in the US.

(Amazing they got away with it too)

(( I posted this on the TV board due to the fact that the station that has the new honor is TV))
 
> A LPTV in Hudson, NY just changed their calls from W21BU to
> KHVB-LP!
> This will make this LPTV the farthest eastern call sign to
> begin with the letter K in the US.
> (Amazing they got away with it too)

I think the need for the distinction between K and W calls is antiquated, and would not be surprised if we see more "K" TV east of the Mississippi before too long.

Considering so few TV stations use their calls at all any more, I doubt most people will ever notice if it DOES happen.

Now the question is, when are we going to see some LPTV in New York State apply for the NYTV-LP calls? THAT would certainly attract some attention at the FCC. Either that or, if they allow it, start a mini-rush for N calls.
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I know that call letters beginning with "N" have been allocated to the United States, but does the FCC allow TV (or radio) stations to ask for call letters that start with "N"??

If they do, there will be quite a few New York (City and State) stations who will want to change their call letters to combinations beginning with "NY".

As an example, if WPIX-11 New York owner Tribune still owns the New York Daily News, I could see the call letters changed to NYDN-TV. Otherwise, it might become NYWB-TV (to plug the WB Network).

WWOR-9 could become NUPN-TV (New york UPN).
 
> I think the need for the distinction between K and W calls
> is antiquated, and would not be surprised if we see more "K"
> TV east of the Mississippi before too long.

I think there are more W-calls in use than K-calls so this may happen more often. Maybe the FCC is running out of W-calls. They refuse to go to 5 letters unless it's a 3-letter-plus-FM/TV/DT combo. Dunno why.

> Considering so few TV stations use their calls at all any
> more, I doubt most people will ever notice if it DOES
> happen.

> Now the question is, when are we going to see some LPTV in
> New York State apply for the NYTV-LP calls? THAT would
> certainly attract some attention at the FCC. Either that
> or, if they allow it, start a mini-rush for N calls.

N-calls are for amateur radio, civillian aircraft (the N-number on the tail of an airplane can legally be used as a radio callsign, AFAIK) and military use only. The only exception that I'm aware of was an '80s CP for NDXE, a shortwave station in Alabama that never made it on the air.

Originally, N-calls were assigned strictly to the US Navy and Coast Guard. AA-AL calls were for the Army & (later) Air Force, while civillian radio (both government and non-government) got K & W.
 
> Yup,
> KYW is no longer the farthest east TV/Radio pair with a K
> call sign.

The stations in Guam might want to make a claim here.
 
No one's explained yet how they got away with this. Did the FCC goof? Will it be corrected?

And what's the furthest west "W" sign? I assume it's probably in either Texas or Oklahoma...

> Yup,
> KYW is no longer the farthest east TV/Radio pair with a K
> call sign.
> A LPTV in Hudson, NY just changed their calls from W21BU to
> KHVB-LP!
> This will make this LPTV the farthest eastern call sign to
> begin with the letter K in the US.
>
> (Amazing they got away with it too)
>
> (( I posted this on the TV board due to the fact that the
> station that has the new honor is TV))
>
 
> No one's explained yet how they got away with this. Did the
> FCC goof? Will it be corrected?
>
> And what's the furthest west "W" sign? I assume it's
> probably in either Texas or Oklahoma...
>
> > It may be WBAP radio in Ft. Worth or WKY radio
in Oklahoma City. As for television
stations west of the Mississippi whose call letters begin
with "W" I can think of these:

WHO and WOI Des Moines, IA
WIBW Topeka, KS
WDAF Kansas City, MO
WOWT Omaha, NE
WDAY Fargo, ND/WDAZ Devils Lake, ND
WFAA Dallas
WOAI San Antonio
>
 
> No one's explained yet how they got away with this. Did the
> FCC goof? Will it be corrected?

To correct would be to admit having a mistake.

Not on.

I was once involved in a deal where a power increase CP was denied
because it had not been approved by a USSR government agency under
terms of a treaty which had never been ratified. In addition, the
agency proposed for creation by The USSR had never been created, so
could not be applied to.

When this was forcibly and repeatedly brought (by a U.S. Senator) to
the attention of The FCC they issued the CP but with a clause that
the station would have to reduce power if, someday, the treaty were
ratified and if The USSR created the agency and if that agency
objected.

See...no mistake was ever made! At least from The FCC perspective.<P ID="signature">______________
Misanthropy:

The only religion that truly comes from within!</P>
 
> I know that call letters beginning with "N" have been
> allocated to the United States, but does the FCC allow TV
> (or radio) stations to ask for call letters that start with
> "N"??
>
> If they do, there will be quite a few New York (City and
> State) stations who will want to change their call letters
> to combinations beginning with "NY".
>
> As an example, if WPIX-11 New York owner Tribune still owns
> the New York Daily News, I could see the call letters
> changed to NYDN-TV. Otherwise, it might become NYWB-TV (to
> plug the WB Network).
>
> WWOR-9 could become NUPN-TV (New york UPN).
>

The Tribune company hasn't owned the Daily News for over 15 years. But they do own Newsday in the NYC market.
 
> No one's explained yet how they got away with this. Did the
> FCC goof? Will it be corrected?
>
If they did goof, it wouldn't be the first time -- in Spring Arbor, Michigan (near Jackson), there's a college-run AM station with the calls "KTGG". All Michigan stations were supposed to begin with "W".

Rumor has it that the registrar at the FCC probably misinterpreted "MI" as "Missouri" instead of "Michigan", and gave the station a "K" call instead of "W". Apparently, Spring Arbor College didn't contest, and the FCC all but ignored the error.
 
Westernmost "W" calls - the winner is...

Based on official transmitter location:

LPTV: WSWS-CA 13 North Platte NE (W 100-45-30)

TV: WOAI-TV 4 San Antonio TX (W 98-15-55)
AM: WOAI 1200 San Antonio TX (W 98-07-43)
FM: WWLS-FM 104.9 Bethany OK (W 97-37-10)
LPFM: W215AI 90.9 Roseau MN (W 95-46-13)<P ID="signature">______________
Dave</P>
 
Re: Westernmost "W" calls - the winner is...

> Based on official transmitter location:
>
> LPTV: WSWS-CA 13 North Platte NE (W 100-45-30)
>
> TV: WOAI-TV 4 San Antonio TX (W 98-15-55)
> AM: WOAI 1200 San Antonio TX (W 98-07-43)
> FM: WWLS-FM 104.9 Bethany OK (W 97-37-10)
> LPFM: W215AI 90.9 Roseau MN (W 95-46-13)
>


Sorry, but the winner for LPTV is W64FX in Twin Falls, ID.
 
Re: Westernmost "W" calls - the winner is...

> > Based on official transmitter location:
> >
> > LPTV: WSWS-CA 13 North Platte NE (W 100-45-30)
> >
> > TV: WOAI-TV 4 San Antonio TX (W 98-15-55)
> > AM: WOAI 1200 San Antonio TX (W 98-07-43)
> > FM: WWLS-FM 104.9 Bethany OK (W 97-37-10)
> > LPFM: W215AI 90.9 Roseau MN (W 95-46-13)
> >
>
>
> Sorry, but the winner for LPTV is W64FX in Twin Falls, ID.
>
Too bad we weren't looking for the westernmost "W" call
of all time; it was probably W6XAO, Don Lee's experimental
station in L.A. back in the 1930s (KCBS/2 today).
 
It gets EVEN further west...

The real winner is the US government(NIST) shortwave station WWVH in Hawaii. It is the sister to WWV in Fort Collins, CO and gives the official time. So it really doesn't count, but it is of intrest.



> > > Based on official transmitter location:
> > >
> > > LPTV: WSWS-CA 13 North Platte NE (W 100-45-30)
> > >
> > > TV: WOAI-TV 4 San Antonio TX (W 98-15-55)
> > > AM: WOAI 1200 San Antonio TX (W 98-07-43)
> > > FM: WWLS-FM 104.9 Bethany OK (W 97-37-10)
> > > LPFM: W215AI 90.9 Roseau MN (W 95-46-13)
> > >
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but the winner for LPTV is W64FX in Twin Falls, ID.
>
> >
> Too bad we weren't looking for the westernmost "W" call
> of all time; it was probably W6XAO, Don Lee's experimental
> station in L.A. back in the 1930s (KCBS/2 today).
>
 
Re: Westernmost "W" calls - the winner is...

> > Based on official transmitter location:
> >
> > LPTV: WSWS-CA 13 North Platte NE (W 100-45-30)
> >
> > TV: WOAI-TV 4 San Antonio TX (W 98-15-55)
> > AM: WOAI 1200 San Antonio TX (W 98-07-43)
> > FM: WWLS-FM 104.9 Bethany OK (W 97-37-10)
> > LPFM: W215AI 90.9 Roseau MN (W 95-46-13)
> >
>
>
> Sorry, but the winner for LPTV is W64FX in Twin Falls, ID.
>

I had only queried licensed stations. Add CP's and you are correct.<P ID="signature">______________
Dave</P>
 
Click here ---><a target="_blank" href=http://earlyradiohistory.us/3myst.htm#kw> K/W Call Sign History</a>

It's a pretty cool website<P ID="signature">______________
Once I figured out the meaning of life....Then I forgot to write it down.</P>
 
Something Similar in Mississippi

> > No one's explained yet how they got away with this. Did
> the
> > FCC goof? Will it be corrected?
> >
> If they did goof, it wouldn't be the first time -- in Spring
> Arbor, Michigan (near Jackson), there's a college-run AM
> station with the calls "KTGG". All Michigan stations were
> supposed to begin with "W".
>
> Rumor has it that the registrar at the FCC probably
> misinterpreted "MI" as "Missouri" instead of "Michigan", and
> gave the station a "K" call instead of "W". Apparently,
> Spring Arbor College didn't contest, and the FCC all but
> ignored the error.

At one point last year, something similar happened in Mississippi. Channel 34 in Magee, MS applied for call letters and apparently someone though MS meant Missouri and they wound up with the KRBU calls (co-owned with channel 47 in Columbia, SC and WRBU-46 in St. Louis).

They later got the KRBU calls changed to WRBJ, which had been assigned to channel 47 in Columbia. Channel 47 became WZRB.

- Trip<P ID="signature">______________
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> N-calls are for amateur radio, civillian aircraft (the
> N-number on the tail of an airplane can legally be used as a
> radio callsign, AFAIK) and military use only. The only
> exception that I'm aware of was an '80s CP for NDXE, a
> shortwave station in Alabama that never made it on the air.

Back in the 80s when there was a lot of talk about proposed shortwave station "NDXE" someone checked with the FCC, who said those calls would not be issued for a shortwave station, although the station could use "NDXE" as a slogan if they wanted. I'm not sure there ever was a CP issued for the station, it was mostly hype.


In 2002, the FCC did issue a W-call for the AM on 1700 in Des Moines.
The owner had a station somewhere with the calls WSJZ. They changed the calls on that station, but wanted to hold on to the call. So they parked it on 1700.
Two weeks later, the calls changed back to the previous call of KBGG. I don't recall any offical reason given, so can only assume the FCC discovered the error and rescinded the call letter change.
 
Sounds like that UN station that can never go on the air. I read about this on NERW once...

> I was once involved in a deal where a power increase CP was
> denied
> because it had not been approved by a USSR government agency
> under
> terms of a treaty which had never been ratified. In
> addition, the
> agency proposed for creation by The USSR had never been
> created, so
> could not be applied to.
>
> When this was forcibly and repeatedly brought (by a U.S.
> Senator) to
> the attention of The FCC they issued the CP but with a
> clause that
> the station would have to reduce power if, someday, the
> treaty were
> ratified and if The USSR created the agency and if that
> agency
> objected.
>
> See...no mistake was ever made! At least from The FCC
> perspective.
>
 
Re: It gets EVEN further west...

> The real winner is the US government(NIST) shortwave station
> WWVH in Hawaii. It is the sister to WWV in Fort Collins, CO
> and gives the official time. So it really doesn't count, but
> it is of intrest.
>




The REAL REAL REAL winner is WVUV Leone/Pago Pago, American Samoa!
Latitude 14-21-28 SOUTH; 170-46-36 WEST. And even better: They are on a split AM frequency 648 khz (But with a CP to go to 720, according to FCC Website database)...This station is kinda special to me. I visited it back in the 80s when the ship I was stationed onboard was on patrol-break at Pago Pago. Had a rental car for a couple of days, drove out to check their tower, Board op saw me taking pictures, and invited me in for the grand tour!! I think I even have a few airchecks stashed away somewhere. They blasted out a great signal, and could easily be picked up at night on Oahu and Maui when Honolulu's 650, KORL back then, was off.


>
>
> > > > Based on official transmitter location:
> > > >
> > > > LPTV: WSWS-CA 13 North Platte NE (W 100-45-30)
> > > >
> > > > TV: WOAI-TV 4 San Antonio TX (W 98-15-55)
> > > > AM: WOAI 1200 San Antonio TX (W 98-07-43)
> > > > FM: WWLS-FM 104.9 Bethany OK (W 97-37-10)
> > > > LPFM: W215AI 90.9 Roseau MN (W 95-46-13)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, but the winner for LPTV is W64FX in Twin Falls,
> ID.
> >
> > >
> > Too bad we weren't looking for the westernmost "W" call
> > of all time; it was probably W6XAO, Don Lee's experimental
>
> > station in L.A. back in the 1930s (KCBS/2 today).
> >
>
 
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