L.A. PPM RATINGS RELEASED-HOLIDAY BOOK PERIOD 12/11/08-1/7/09

[SuperRadioFan]

I'd program a song someone is tired of over something unfamiliar in a heartbeat on a gold-based station.

One of the reason "Jack" works is while they playlist is broad, it is very familiar.

God, I feel like such an anamoly. I even find JACK more adventurous than The Sound, even though the statistics don't support that, it's just the impression I get. Almost everything I see on The Sound's playlist is stale to my ears or mind. Oh well. I'd love to see how they compare with WXPK (New York suburb) or KINK-FM two stations I find refreshing when compared with The Sound.

 

[oldies76]

No, not true. You are exaggerating. At one time, KRTH was around 375 to 400 titles, sans the weekend things. But never 250. And yes, we can go way back on BDS or Mediabase.

In the 1990's, under Jay Coffey, KRTH rotation was extremely limited. Pretty sure playlists were under 400 titles then, maybe lower. Things have improved since Kaye took over in 2005, but not the caliber of other C/H stations.

 

[scooty430]

Again you miss the point. I say 750, and you say, "no, no, no "700-800." Hilarious.

Learn to quote.... if you say "he said" than what you state or paraphrase should be exactly what the person said. You, instead, take a range and make it a single number. That is not "you said..." but "I interpreted." There is a huge difference, particularly since you interpret so many things incorrectly.

Anyway, both the NY and LA oldies stations used to be 250 song monotonous bores.

No, not true. You are exaggerating. At one time, KRTH was around 375 to 400 titles, sans the weekend things. But never 250. And yes, we can go way back on BDS or Mediabase.

Now they are up around 900 or more, with lots more specialty shows. (Though it is still not enough yet.)

They are less, but you would not believe any of us even if we showed you the logs.

JACK is around 2000, (or 1000 in your bizarro alternate universe.)

Jack is around 800 on a weekly basis, and maybe another 200 fills and lunars... under 1000 on an ongoing basis. The "2000" as I said was PD hyperbole and obfuscation in an interview.

If the PDs obfuscate, who is to say that you don't?

Personally, I'd believe Kevin Weatherly before you any day of the week. But if you want to call him a liar, feel free. I'm sure he appreciates it.

By the way, it takes two weeks to play 2000 songs, so your one week tally is somewhat pointless.

It might help if you actually listened to the stations about which you pontificate. That might help you to actually know what you are talking about. Put down the spreadsheets and turn on the radio. (Bring a book - you'll be bored out of your mind.)

 

[scooty430]

I'd program a song someone is tired of over something unfamiliar in a heartbeat on a gold-based station.

One of the reason "Jack" works is while they playlist is broad, it is very familiar.

God, I feel like such an anamoly. I even find JACK more adventurous than The Sound, even though the statistics don't support that, it's just the impression I get. Almost everything I see on The Sound's playlist is stale to my ears or mind. Oh well. I'd love to see how they compare with WXPK (New York suburb) or KINK-FM two stations I find refreshing when compared with The Sound.

Playing a large number of songs is not enough. They need to be good ones, interesting ones.

 

[scooty430]

You also forget that Kaye is rotating songs in and out. That is significant. For instance, I hadn't heard "Happy Together" or "Can't Take My Eyes Off You" for a long time on K-Earth. Heard 'em both recently.

Except for the two weeks before Christmas, Happy Together has played 9 to 12 times in each of the last 12 weeds. It has not been off, ever, in the last several years.

Similarly, "Can't" has played 4 to 7 times a week except the week of 12/20 for the last 12 weeks, and has similarly not been off rotation.

Could you perhaps also learn to trim or trunkate the post you are answering unless you are addressing specifics? You have created two-screen posts for 8 lines of copy. Not good netiquette.

No offense, but your style of responding to each part of a person's quote, taking it apart bit by bit, is about ten years out of date.

Your nitpicking response style reflects the fact that you are more interested in arguing than having a conversation or expanding your world view. You find minute, often trivial facts to dispute, with the goal of demonstrating your superiority, and discrediting others.

Let me give you you a chance to actually agree with something and not argue. It's a chance for growth, David.

True or false? K-Earth plays more songs than they used to. C'mon, you can do it. (Hint: Answer is "true.")

 

[surfdude]

It takes six days to play 2000 songs.

At one time, late 90s early 2K, K-Earth was playing 280 different titles a week.
They were rotating a few different songs in and out weekly, though.

 

[davideduardo]

True or false? K-Earth plays more songs than they used to. C'mon, you can do it. (Hint: Answer is "true.")

False. KRTH has a 36 year history, and they have played both more and less songs in the past than they do today.

For example, in the era you guys say they played 250 songs, such as 2000, they actually played about 600 titles a week, and did, truly, lots more platooning in an out of titles.

Just as you said that KRTh had been resting Happpy Together and another tune, which was proven totally false, your assumptions about the playlist in the past are also drearily wrong.

 

[davideduardo]

It takes six days to play 2000 songs.

But nobody would play them in a "strem" from 1 to 2000. A station with 1000 songs might have some that play 5 to 6 times a week, another of 3 to 4, another of 2 to 3, etc.

With mostly 70's oldies, about 11 to 12 play in an hour, for about 250 to 275 titles a day... it would take over a week to play 2000 songs.

At one time, late 90s early 2K, K-Earth was playing 280 different titles a week.
They were rotating a few different songs in and out weekly, though.

Try 500 to 600 songs in any week, with lots of cycling in an out for year 2000.

 

[robnokshus06]

DE: Could you perhaps also learn to trim or trunkate the post you are answering unless you are addressing specifics? You have created two-screen posts for 8 lines of copy. Not good netiquette.

DE: I'm able to skim threads pretty easily and tune out what is not of interest. Can't you?

Make up your mind.

 

[davideduardo]

DE: Could you perhaps also learn to trim or trunkate the post you are answering unless you are addressing specifics? You have created two-screen posts for 8 lines of copy. Not good netiquette.

DE: I'm able to skim threads pretty easily and tune out what is not of interest. Can't you?

Make up your mind.

One thing is to skim HEADERS, and another is to have to scroll down screen after screen to see the actual message.

 

[scooty430]

True or false? K-Earth plays more songs than they used to. C'mon, you can do it. (Hint: Answer is "true.")

False. KRTH has a 36 year history, and they have played both more and less songs in the past than they do today.

For example, in the era you guys say they played 250 songs, such as 2000, they actually played about 600 titles a week, and did, truly, lots more platooning in an out of titles.

Just as you said that KRTh had been resting Happpy Together and another tune, which was proven totally false, your assumptions about the playlist in the past are also drearily wrong.

I'm disappointed, David. All you had to say was "true" and it would have been a big breakthrough for you. *Sigh*

 

[scooty430]

It takes six days to play 2000 songs.

But nobody would play them in a "strem" from 1 to 2000. A station with 1000 songs might have some that play 5 to 6 times a week, another of 3 to 4, another of 2 to 3, etc.

With mostly 70's oldies, about 11 to 12 play in an hour, for about 250 to 275 titles a day... it would take over a week to play 2000 songs.

At one time, late 90s early 2K, K-Earth was playing 280 different titles a week.
They were rotating a few different songs in and out weekly, though.

Try 500 to 600 songs in any week, with lots of cycling in an out for year 2000.

You're forgetting that K-Earth has specialty and morning shows that take up time.

KLOS did a 2500 A to Z that took over 2 weeks. Ditto CBS-FM.

So here's another chance, David. C'mon, you can DO it.

Say: "That's true, you're right! I forgot about specialty shows! And CBS-FM DID take that long to do their A to Z. Wow, you have made a good point!"

That would be admitting you are wrong. It's OK, we're ALL wrong SOMEtimes. Even YOU. I know, not very much, or maybe even EVER, but here ya go. It'll feel soooooo good to just finally admit it.

 

[Zeb Norris]

Scooty and Scooty sympathizers,

Look. As a music fan I completely understand where you're coming from. But look; KLOS did an A to z. It clearly was a ratings disaster.

How can you continue to claim going deep is a good idea?

Yeah, I heard you say more "good" songs. But the deeper you go, the less likely that a GROUP of people will agree that it's a good song.

The first thing a Programmer learns is that the taste of one person is NOT a reflection of the tastes of a group of people. You guys need to contemplate that. You're posting on a radio board. That act alone proves that you aren't typical listeners.

Sorry, but look at those PPM number again. You want to try to tell a GM that A to Z is a good is after seeing those?

 

[scooty430]

ALL of the CBS-FM A to Zs occurred during the PPM era.

One in July.

One in November.

One in December.

Need we say more?

ALL of the A to Zs that popped up around the country were during the PPM era.

Either the people at CBS-FM, and JET, and in Portland, and KFOG, are fools, or A to Z was a success.

 

[Zeb Norris]

No PPM results from KFOG yet. It's an experiment.

KCBS-FM isn't a Classic Rock. They probably used something very close to their regular library, but that's all hits.

Classic Hits is all hits. Classic Rock and AAA include album tracks. Playing all hits is safer than playing album tracks. But more hits isn't the same thing as deeper.

Even deeper than normal album tracks go into A to Zs for Classic Rock and AAA. Results for KLOS? From a 2.8 to a 2.3. That's not something you can dispute.

Putting in depth for Classic Rock and AAAs requires great production. That's how come 10 at 10 works for KFOG. The music alone would bomb. The production sells it. That's also what makes The Drive in Chicago work.

There's a way to argue for depth. But 2.8 to 2.3 tells us that just doing an A to Z isn't the way to make depth work.

 

[oldies76]

ALL of the A to Zs that popped up around the country were during the PPM era.

Either the people at CBS-FM, and JET, and in Portland, and KFOG, are fools, or A to Z was a success.

The A to Z's were huge successes, across the board. Like we've said many times now, on many posts, dating back more than a year, most listeners enjoy "something new" on the radio, NOT the same redundancies. People get tired of the same old thing, over and over.

10 straight days of rain in L.A., people would gripe right and left about the lack of sun. 10 straight days of the same music, give or take, would be a turn-off and drive away your audience.

Obviously if CBS-FM did two (2500 song A to Z's) in six months, something must have worked. Last I checked, they were still on-the-air. Listener feedback was incredible. CBS-FM continues to produce specialty shows every weekend. Jet 107.9 did two A to Z's also within 6 months in 2008, the later being a Z to A (over 2000 songs each run). They also aired a Top 70 of the 70's weekend, basically playing their top 70 songs of each year.

The second time arounds would have never aired if the first ones were a bust. A station would not risk its own operations if the PD's were "fools".

Hopefully more A to Z's and other specials continue their stay on these stations.

Now only if D.E. and others could only understand this basic "customer demand" concept. It's working!

 

[oldies76]

But nobody would play them in a "strem" from 1 to 2000.

An A to Z, involves playing 2000 or 3000 songs in a row, without repetition. Several stations have done this already, as we've pointed out.

There is nothing wrong with specialties. Why do you think many contemporary and cl. hits stations are airing "American Top 40" re-runs, loaded with "stiffs"?? Many songs that did not peak beyond the 30's are being aired.

If these were failures to begin with, then or now, why would today's stations be airing these shows? Must be demand..right?

 

[davideduardo]

ALL of the CBS-FM A to Zs occurred during the PPM era.
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A to Z is a decades old Classic ROck attention getter, and it worked well in the diary system. I remember hearing Andy Bloom doing it in Philly back when Stern was being added to his first syndication station... and we did it in Argentina about 8 years ago....

 

[davideduardo]

I'm disappointed, David. All you had to say was "true" and it would have been a big breakthrough for you. *Sigh*

But I don't make up the truth at my convenience as you constantly do... again, the HappyTogether claim clamors for a headline... and your statement is not true. Therefore, it is false.

 

[davideduardo]

No PPM results from KFOG yet. It's an experiment.

When did it run? W just got Jan 15 to Jan 21 today, so maybe we do have numbers.