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Larger/midsized markets where a big owner has more AM’s than FM’s?

How many top 50 markets are there (or maybe I should give more room and say top 100) where a national owner (iHeart, Cumulus, Audacy, Saga, etc) owns More AM signals than FM’s?

I bring this up because looking at iHeart’s Cincinnati cluster, they’re sitting at 4 AM’s and 2 FM’s. As ancient modulation continues to degrade and die out, this will be an interesting scenario on the future for AM’s in markets like these. iHeart is currently running WKRC, WLW, WCKY, and WSAI in Cincy, with a rocker and a CHR on FM. Probably a better topic for the Cincinnati board, but I do wonder what will eventually happen there as iHeart will have to make some tough choices eventually.

That’s definitely a rare scenario in a larger market and especially by a large operator. Are there any other clusters that are dominated by AM, with fewer FM’s?
 
There also is the possibility of the FM band "thinning out", as we see the AM band starting to do. This will make more marginal FM stations available for AM stations to move to, and dead frequencies might allow for more translators on FM.

Interesting topic, though. The Bay Area used to be AM heavy (even into the 80s and 90s) because of the topography. Or so it was said. That changed, obviously.
 
There also is the possibility of the FM band "thinning out", as we see the AM band starting to do. This will make more marginal FM stations available for AM stations to move to, and dead frequencies might allow for more translators on FM.
With the exception of less-than-financially-successful rimshots into larger markets, there are no such things as 'marginal FM' stations.
Translators have not become the salvation of AM stations after all. Their coverage is generally marginal, and considered "secondary service". Because translators are considered to be lesser stations to full-class stations, the risk of displacement is always there.
 
The one that immediately comes to mind is Cumulus in San Francisco, with four AMs and two FMs. One of the FMs is KNBR, which probably makes up for the other stations in the cluster.
And interestingly 3 stations for Cumulus San Francisco use the KNBR branding for Sports/Talk they are KNBR-AM, KNBR-FM,and KTCT-AM. Note KTCT-AM carries some of the sports/talk shows in the event 680AM and 104.5 FM has to go to live sports.

The rest are KSAN-FM, KGO-AM and KSFO-AM.
 
There also is the possibility of the FM band "thinning out", as we see the AM band starting to do. This will make more marginal FM stations available for AM stations to move to, and dead frequencies might allow for more translators on FM.

Interesting topic, though. The Bay Area used to be AM heavy (even into the 80s and 90s) because of the topography. Or so it was said. That changed, obviously.
If this is the case then that thinning out scenario has to do with the automakers considering or have deals with Apple or Google to be in the Dashboard system of newer cars.


 
With the exception of less-than-financially-successful rimshots into larger markets, there are no such things as 'marginal FM' stations.
Translators have not become the salvation of AM stations after all. Their coverage is generally marginal, and considered "secondary service". Because translators are considered to be lesser stations to full-class stations, the risk of displacement is always there.
Translators fed from HD2 and HD3 signals, as well as religious translators, have trashed the FM dial in markets like Atlanta. In more cases than not, translators aren’t rebroadcasting an AM signal or even boosting another signal, they’re rebroadcasting content originated on HD channels and operating as independent stations.
 
Translators fed from HD2 and HD3 signals, as well as religious translators, have trashed the FM dial in markets like Atlanta. In more cases than not, translators aren’t rebroadcasting an AM signal or even boosting another signal, they’re rebroadcasting content originated on HD channels and operating as independent stations.
Asheville NC has a lot of those.
 
There also is the possibility of the FM band "thinning out", as we see the AM band starting to do. This will make more marginal FM stations available for AM stations to move to, and dead frequencies might allow for more translators on FM.

Interesting topic, though. The Bay Area used to be AM heavy (even into the 80s and 90s) because of the topography. Or so it was said. That changed, obviously.
As long as EMF, BBM, AFR, and the Catholic broadcasters have cash, FM won't be thinning out.
 
With the exception of less-than-financially-successful rimshots into larger markets, there are no such things as 'marginal FM' stations.
Translators have not become the salvation of AM stations after all. Their coverage is generally marginal, and considered "secondary service". Because translators are considered to be lesser stations to full-class stations, the risk of displacement is always there.
OK, let me define what I meant by the word "marginal". An example would be when EMF bought WPLJ, a station in NYC that in the was worth a lot more in the 1980's than it was when EMF bought it 30-odd years later. How could EMF manage to bag a top signal in market #1? Why were there no other radio companies stepping in to buy WPLJ so they could make millions? Maybe they didn't see the ROI?

FM isn't the monster media it was in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.

A lot of commentators here think the FM band in most metros has too many stations for all of them to stay solvent. The cluster model seems to be keeping a lot of them afloat. But how long is that going to work? Ten more years? 20 more years?

Understand the rest of your point, though.
 
OK, let me define what I meant by the word "marginal". An example would be when EMF bought WPLJ, a station in NYC that in the was worth a lot more in the 1980's than it was when EMF bought it 30-odd years later.
The same could be said for any radio or TV property. The bottom fell out of overall valuations back in the 2008 recession. By your definition, that means every FM station could be considered marginal, at least by comparison with those decades.
How could EMF manage to bag a top signal in market #1? Why were there no other radio companies stepping in to buy WPLJ so they could make millions?
Because: 1. EMF is one of the few broadcast organizations with a lot of cash available. 2. EMF is a non-profit that carries little to no debt, and because of that, isn't constrained with having to sell traditional lenders or investors on loaning money to grow. 3. EMF doesn't rely on the advertising environment. It makes money by being available to 'spread the word'. The way you make yourself available is by being everywhere.
FM isn't the monster media it was in the 70s, 80s, and 90s.
Well duh. The same could be said for radio in general. Lot's more competition than back in those decades.
A lot of commentators here think the FM band in most metros has too many stations for all of them to stay solvent.
And to an extent, I would agree. Although I wouldn't use the term staying solvent.
Starting back in the late 90's, it became apparent that if you wanted to be a successful publicly traded company in the radio/media biz, you'd better give the advertiser's what they want in every market you can. That includes a wide spread of sought-after demographic reach. And in turn that means maxing-out station ownership count within multiple markets in an attempt to own the radio listening demo spread. Being limited to onezy-twozy AM-FM station ownership meant you were about to get run over.
Fast forward to 2008, and the access to investors or bank-lending came to a grinding halt. The days of running up a lot of debt to pay 14X cash flow money for radio properties ended. In my personal example; that meant a station valued at $5M in a matter of one year, suddenly was now worth $500K. None of that meant companies were on the verge of insolvency. It meant that when that snapshot in time occurred, there were a lot of FM stations shoehorned into the band all dooking it out for the same reduced advertising dollar.
Then you add in 'sandbox' LPFM stations which, in my view, is like having a neighbor with a bunch of dead cars and trash in his front yard. Now include a bunch of AM's on FM translators, and the FM band is more congested and more difficult to enjoy as compared with streaming.

The cluster model seems to be keeping a lot of them afloat. But how long is that going to work? Ten more years? 20 more years?
And all for the reasons I mentioned above. But if you consider all the changes since clusters were allowed, just being in radio isn't where the advertisers are anymore. That's why companies like iHeart have diversified where advertiser's moved by building streaming/digital assets, and concert promotion.
 
Why were there no other radio companies stepping in to buy WPLJ so they could make millions? Maybe they didn't see the ROI?
Any new buyer would have had similar problems as Cumulus: Not enough scale to compete effectively with iHeart and Entercom.

Put another way, the #3 commercial broadcaster in America sold a station in a market where the #1 and #2 broadcasters were at the market limit.

Several of the other large broadcasters could safely be assumed to not be interested, due to their own finances (e.g. Alpha, having just acquired Digity) or strategy (e.g. Townsquare operating in medium and small markets only).
 
The thing is, whether it is AM or FM, radio is surely becoming irrelevant with the rise of podcasts and streaming because of these big corporate mammoths template approaches to programming. Localism is what gets people to actively listen to radio. These days you can't even get a time check.
 
The thing is, whether it is AM or FM, radio is surely becoming irrelevant with the rise of podcasts and streaming because of these big corporate mammoths template approaches to programming. Localism is what gets people to actively listen to radio. These days you can't even get a time check.
Yet there are very popular syndicated shows and personalities in all formats. Localism isn't a be-all and end-all.
 
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