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Las Vegas TV Station to phase out syndicated programs for news

IMO, 4am *local* news is WAY too early. I don't mind WNN or UTTM at that hour.

-crainbebo
 
EJM said:
I remember that Denver's KCNC spent at least some of its time as an NBC O&O (i.e., after GE's purchase of NBC, and before the station was swapped away to CBS) trying to do an all-network and -news lineup during the week. Of course, at the time, NBC hadn't yet all but abandoned daytime.
And for the most part, it worked. In fact, the main reason for the call change WAS to do all network & news format (Hence the call KCNC for K Colorado's News Channel)

Cheers & 73 ;D
 
bringbackradio said:
crainbebo said:
IMO, 4am *local* news is WAY too early. I don't mind WNN or UTTM at that hour.

-crainbebo
The only station I can think of doing that right now is KRIV in Houston.

Add WPIX 11 New York to that as well...

-crainbebo
 
crainbebo said:
bringbackradio said:
crainbebo said:
IMO, 4am *local* news is WAY too early. I don't mind WNN or UTTM at that hour.

-crainbebo
The only station I can think of doing that right now is KRIV in Houston.

Add WPIX 11 New York to that as well...

-crainbebo

Several stations around the country now start local news at 4 am. St. Louis alone has two of them (KTVI and KSDK). Hey, if they can make money off of it and bring in more viewers than infomercials or syndication or second-rate overnight network shows, then it's never too early (or a bad/weird time slot) to do local news.
 
Troy Goodwin said:
WTMJ, NBC's Milwaukee affiliate is doing 8 Hours of Local News/Locally produced shows per day(Monday through Friday)on average, leaving them with no syndicated shows, And I think KSNV is trying to follow Today's TMJ-4's lead as that station will ditch all of its currently syndicated TV shows-Like "Jeopardy" and "Wheel of Fortune".

And right now because of Time Warner and WTMJ's owner in a retransmission dispute that took off that station, there's nothing of value viewers want to bring it back or demand the sides get back to the table. Their only two syndicated programs are Access Hollywood Live at 2pm and the mother show at 1:37am on weekdays, with only the local power utility's show and Hispanic Business Today on the weekends (Not counting recorded Live Well content used to fill time). The stories repeat to death and there's so much ripping off of the PTI format with countdown clock discussions and their mid-day radio station host on the panel regularly, along with tacky segments like "Mugshot of the Day". Somehow I see KSNV examining that format to see where WTMJ goes wrong; they get somewhat a preview with WTMJ's sister KTNV, but thankfully that station has much more syndicated content.
 
NBC is probably thinking about yanking their affiliation with KSNV by now...pre-empting DOOL for news is another excuse - since it's the network. What's next? An hour of prime-time programs taken away for news?

-crainbebo
 
crainbebo said:
NBC is probably thinking about yanking their affiliation with KSNV by now...pre-empting DOOL for news is another excuse - since it's the network. What's next? An hour of prime-time programs taken away for news?

-crainbebo

I was thinking the same thing, but it's easier said than done. I don't know what the contract statuses in terms of affiliations of the network stations in town, but NBC may keep in mind what KSNV's doing, and start scouting other stations.
 
The fact that NBC is allowing this could be a sign that the network is not terribly confident about renewing DOOL next year, and I think if NBC were to cancel DOOL, the time would more than likely be given to the affiliates. On the other hand, NBC might have been OK with it as long as another station in the market would carry DOOL.

NBC is probably thinking about yanking their affiliation with KSNV by now...pre-empting DOOL for news is another excuse - since it's the network. What's next? An hour of prime-time programs taken away for news?

-crainbebo

I was thinking the same thing, but it's easier said than done. I don't know what the contract statuses in terms of affiliations of the network stations in town, but NBC may keep in mind what KSNV's doing, and start scouting other stations.

Given NBC's overall ratings (unless things dramatically improve this fall), I would imagine NBC would be a hard sell to the current ABC, CBS, and Fox affiliates in Vegas. Affiliating with the current CW or MyNet affiliates in Vegas would be a downgrade for NBC, so unless KSNV goes on a rampant preemption spree, I expect NBC will stay right where it is.
 
SteveRichards said:
The fact that NBC is allowing this could be a sign that the network is not terribly confident about renewing DOOL next year, and I think if NBC were to cancel DOOL, the time would more than likely be given to the affiliates. On the other hand, NBC might have been OK with it as long as another station in the market would carry DOOL.

Given NBC's overall ratings (unless things dramatically improve this fall), I would imagine NBC would be a hard sell to the current ABC, CBS, and Fox affiliates in Vegas. Affiliating with the current CW or MyNet affiliates in Vegas would be a downgrade for NBC, so unless KSNV goes on a rampant preemption spree, I expect NBC will stay right where it is.

Agreed. It's much the same refrain as in Salt Lake City with KSL: NBC needs KSNV way more than KSNV needs NBC. It'd be one thing if KSNV started messing with NBC's primetime or late night lineups. As they've proven in the past decade, however, daytime soaps clearly aren't high on NBC's list of priorities.
 
When I think about it this might work for KSNV as they could mix in more entertainment news that would be local nature, as Las Vegas has more shows and things going on in those Hotels and Casinos and clubs than a lot of other markets. Interviews with the entainers and people or groups doing these shows could be covered and possibly marketed as a money maker for the station. I remember a radio station on 1140 AM going thru several changes one of which was casino radio which was marketed to inform listens the goings on there. As for the soaps they're dropping in number but maybe the station will make more money with that angle. Who knows what the deal was with NBC to go with that but years ago ABC had one called Port Charles which turned in to a bouncing ball among its stations.
 
On paper, KSNV's mostly-news format may be a good idea, and it may turn out to be good in reality. However, in getting rid of all its syndicated shows, the station is going to have very little, if nothing, to fall back on in the event the news flops. KSNV can probably get back "Days of Our Lives" at almost a moment's notice (if the show is still on in a couple years). However, those syndicated shows that KSNV is dumping will likely sign multi-year (at least 2-year) agreements with other Vegas stations. If KSNV has to replace a chunk of its news programming, it could possibly find itself running low-rent syndicated shows that even the CW and MyNet affiliates don't want, and/or infomercials. And if KSNV decides at some point to get back popular shows like "Dr. Phil" and "Wheel of Fortune," the station will probably have to pay through the teeth to get them off whatever station they ended up on.
 
SteveRichards said:
On paper, KSNV's mostly-news format may be a good idea, and it may turn out to be good in reality. However, in getting rid of all its syndicated shows, the station is going to have very little, if nothing, to fall back on in the event the news flops. KSNV can probably get back "Days of Our Lives" at almost a moment's notice (if the show is still on in a couple years). However, those syndicated shows that KSNV is dumping will likely sign multi-year (at least 2-year) agreements with other Vegas stations. If KSNV has to replace a chunk of its news programming, it could possibly find itself running low-rent syndicated shows that even the CW and MyNet affiliates don't want, and/or infomercials. And if KSNV decides at some point to get back popular shows like "Dr. Phil" and "Wheel of Fortune," the station will probably have to pay through the teeth to get them off whatever station they ended up on.

If the all-day news format does work, and fail to acquire some syndicated content, it may have to poach some programming off of its Cozi and Antenna TV subchannels to fill that dead air time.
 
SteveRichards said:
On paper, KSNV's mostly-news format may be a good idea, and it may turn out to be good in reality. However, in getting rid of all its syndicated shows, the station is going to have very little, if nothing, to fall back on in the event the news flops. KSNV can probably get back "Days of Our Lives" at almost a moment's notice (if the show is still on in a couple years). However, those syndicated shows that KSNV is dumping will likely sign multi-year (at least 2-year) agreements with other Vegas stations. If KSNV has to replace a chunk of its news programming, it could possibly find itself running low-rent syndicated shows that even the CW and MyNet affiliates don't want, and/or infomercials. And if KSNV decides at some point to get back popular shows like "Dr. Phil" and "Wheel of Fortune," the station will probably have to pay through the teeth to get them off whatever station they ended up on.

This won't be judged on ratings so much as profit. News is almost always cheaper to produce than syndication is to buy, and ad rates between noon and 4 are nothing to write home about. Bad enough, in fact, that it's hard to make a profit on syndication in the early afternoon. Even a low-rated newscast is likely to be more profitable.

As for soaps, while they don't cost the affilate cash, KSNV is giving NBC most of the ad time in DOOL. When it's news, it's all theirs to sell.
 
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